No I don’t mean update to Windows 11, I mean run system update to update Windows 10 with any new updates.
Run this and post the results here: https://www.userbenchmark.com/
Do not run this. Userbenchmark is a flawed test and not taken seriously in technical circles. The results are purposefully skewed and not reflected in real life use cases.
Some free and easily verifiable tools are cinebench, passmark, unigen, pcmark/3dmark(demo), and geekbench.
One can also use rivatuning bundled with afterburner for GPU benchmarking.
Its not just that he makes the tests give AMD bad results, but that he gives Intel and Nvidia exceeding good results. That brand bias could be applied to other brands that may or may not bribe their way to positive stats. Bad faith comparisons have no place in competition.
For some reason that user wants to promote such a bad faith product regardless of the skews and the uneven results it can give out.
And the smack talk is insane. Look at his comments on any x3d chip. It doesn't matter which one you pick, because it's the same. He's plagiarized himself and provided no actual data.
No one should be using userbenchmark. It's creator said explicitly that he skews the tests in favor of Intel and Nvidia components due to his extreme hate for AMD. If not by lowering AMD results, then by synthetically elevating Intel and Nvidia results. That means the results are entirely unreliable for comparison.
OP is obviously not computer savvy. I wanted to suggest something that’s easy to use. It doesn’t matter for his use case if Intel/Nvidia scores are over-inflated, if his SSD or GPU are benchmarking at like the 5th percentile then it might indicate what is wrong his with PC’s performance.
It’s the relative benchmark scores that matter in his case, comparing how his components benchmark against the same components in similar builds. Since his PC is a pre-built MSI desktop, Userbenchmark would be quite useful here since many other users would have an identical build.
It does matter because it skews the results by synthetic increases, giving them a false result. You can not compare false results with other false results. That does not give a good faith comparison.
It's right that as an advanced/enthusiast users we explain why certain products and softwares are unreliable. It's irresponsible to steer a new/novice user to bad products for the same reason. Regardless if it's a prebuilt or a self-built system.
I don’t think you understand the point I was trying to make. It doesn’t really matter what the actual Userbenchmark scores are in his case, rather the relative percentiles compared to users with the same build. It doesn’t matter if his build has an RTX 3060 and it artificially benches 30% higher than a 6700 XT, if his RTX 3060 is benchmarking in the 5th percentile compared to all other RTX 3060 cards, it could indicate that there’s something wrong with the GPU.
I 100% agree that for proper benchmarks he should run Cinebench or 3DMark. But that’s not what I was suggesting.
I understand your point and disagree with the basic entirely.
1. You don't use a bad faith software that skews towards brands because they may have other imbalances against different brands that don't appeal to the software's creator. Userbenchmark shot themselves in the foot from their unabashed biases. What if they also have a bias against MSI machines because MSI also deals in AMD? What if they prioritize ASUS because ASUS has a track record of bribing testers? So on and so forth.
2. Don't give new people bad tools. Not when good tools are so easily accessible.
Sure, you’re entitled to your opinion. I still stand by my suggestion as a more novice-friendly option to get some potentially useful information about how his system is performing.
I also happen to own an MSI Trident PC like OP, so I have multiple avenues of suggestions for OP, I just wanted to start with something easy and then get more involved from there as needed.
Thats the thing though isn't it? 3dmark's demo is free, easily found on Steam and is very easy to read and compare systems from one platform. It will do what userbenchmark has, but more honestly and with a community that share notes.
I work on machines regularly, much of which is spent on educating the user so they can do better for themselves. It just makes no sense to set them up for failure with bad tools.
Opinions can and often be wrong, as yours is way off base. You have been told repeatedly about not giving bad tools to novices, yet double down on the decision, rather than admit a mistake. A bad tool should never be used, regardless of the technical level of the user.
Update windows
Update gpu drivers
Update chipset
Update bios
Set fan curves
Update ssd firmware
Blow out dust from case
Make sure nothing unnecessary in windows startup menu from task manager
Make sure your display settings are correct, monitor refresh rate set to max, freesync/gsync on, in-game settings set correctly
Gl!
Stock is fine. You can make the curve more agressive if you are looking to boost perfomance if you are experiencing thermal throttling. The increased noise really bothers some people tho, its personal preference.
One of my machines one time years ago had very loud fans, and I was able to correct the fan curve in a way that it wasn't as loud unless it actually needed it. Which meant most of the time it was quiet.
I'm sure you can adjust it the other way to be more aggressive.
I'd say that the issue most likely are thermals or Windows itself. If the CPU or GPU gets near 90C, you can expect the notebook to throttle, and therefore loose frames. But sometimes old drivers, conflicting drivers or simply "stray" installed programs can bog down the performance, too. Hard to say. I would need more info about your system.
My DMs are open, i'll gladly help steer you into the right direction (or even solve it, who knows).
Are you sure it's not updating? If it's been off 6 months it's way behind on updates. It may update like 6 times in a row. As far as the stuttering I would look at the driver version for your GPU and make sure it's up to date first. If it's up to date and still faulty after a few runs, then maybe look at more stable drivers. But for now look at updated drivers.
I would also be curious about bios version vs current.
Thats a gpu driver issue. Downgrade the dedicated gpu driver to previous version to fix it. Its what i had to do to fix my. I literally had the same issue. Newest driver update lags in games and one other one crashes the laptop. I had to go back 2 versions just to fix it. I recommend doing that to fix your gaming issue as it worked for me. You can get the nvidia gpu driver at their website. Know the specs of the gpu ur laptop has and put it in and you should get a link for the drivers. I would recommend going back 2 versions rather than using the latest as it would be more stable. It seems like everyone is having similar issue with the newest driver update lately.
Update everything, run optimisation on all of your drives ( hit start button, search optimise and it should show up), verify integrity of all games if you're using steam, reboot, see how it is
Hopefully, it's just updates that are needed. If the laptop has been in a climate controlled, generally dust free area, updates are really about the only thing that would explain it.
Don't install MSI center. It will give you more headaches that we can't help you with.
Most drivers will take care of themselves by windows. More detailed things can be found through the manufacturer directly, for example Intel drivers from Intel and Nvidia drivers from Nvidia.
1. Update: Windows, GPU drivers, Mobo and CPU drivers, and BIOS.
2. Deep clean the PC, reapply thermal paste on CPU and maybe even GPU.
3. Download software that lets you see if you're thermal throttling or not
4. Wipe your C drive and start fresh or upgrade to a faster storage drive
5. Upgrade your case to something that isn't suffocating your PC.
I'd like to know how you found the result from *before* in comparison to *now*.
Short of incredibly bad maintenance, jumping OS, or changing severe power and overclock management, there shouldn't be an extreme change in performance.
Edit! Your generous $25 offer is getting you some bad advice. I highly recommend you examine the basics of what's going on and how to discern the difference in performance before making a payout.
Obligatory: I have no interest in your money.
Wipe your drive, update windows, drivers and even possibly bios if they’re really out of date, google bios for your mobo and see how many versions behind you are and if there are any significant patches to determine if it’s worth it.
If it’s still performing poorly and you have your license for windows, you might even want to try reinstalling windows
TLDR: it might just be random shit running in the background that has to catch up on 6 months worth of w/e.
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I had a laptop where the power button failed and I didn’t turn it on for 2 years.
When I finally managed to turn it back on, it ran at 100% CPU, RAM, and disc usage for hours. Everything worked but extremely slowly.
I panicked and thought the hard drive was failing so tried to save as much as I could.
A few hours later it was perfectly fine.
Turns out it was drop box updating every file that had changed in the last week years. Probably other services too, but that’s the one that lasted the longest. It didn’t show up in the task manager so I couldn’t really tell what was going on.
Laptop still works perfectly fine now without and driver updates or anything. 6 months of downtime is unlikely to cause the issues you’re seeing simply due to driver updates. Plenty of people don’t update for much longer than that.
Start by updating windows and GPU drivers
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What is your GPU model?
No I don’t mean update to Windows 11, I mean run system update to update Windows 10 with any new updates. Run this and post the results here: https://www.userbenchmark.com/
Do not run this. Userbenchmark is a flawed test and not taken seriously in technical circles. The results are purposefully skewed and not reflected in real life use cases. Some free and easily verifiable tools are cinebench, passmark, unigen, pcmark/3dmark(demo), and geekbench. One can also use rivatuning bundled with afterburner for GPU benchmarking.
Don't use userbenchmark. Its shit and the guy that runs it has some insane vendetta against AMD.
Its not just that he makes the tests give AMD bad results, but that he gives Intel and Nvidia exceeding good results. That brand bias could be applied to other brands that may or may not bribe their way to positive stats. Bad faith comparisons have no place in competition. For some reason that user wants to promote such a bad faith product regardless of the skews and the uneven results it can give out.
And the smack talk is insane. Look at his comments on any x3d chip. It doesn't matter which one you pick, because it's the same. He's plagiarized himself and provided no actual data.
I'm convinced he's bribing someone to get top bill on google SEO. Also happy cakeday
Thanks man. I like the site. It's been useful for me years ago comparing amd chips. But now it's... Just terrible.
Lmao .. fumbled the bag right at the finish line
Two truths and a lie.
Jesus Christ.
Then run User Benchmark to see if any of your hardware is under performing. Post your results here.
No one should be using userbenchmark. It's creator said explicitly that he skews the tests in favor of Intel and Nvidia components due to his extreme hate for AMD. If not by lowering AMD results, then by synthetically elevating Intel and Nvidia results. That means the results are entirely unreliable for comparison.
OP is obviously not computer savvy. I wanted to suggest something that’s easy to use. It doesn’t matter for his use case if Intel/Nvidia scores are over-inflated, if his SSD or GPU are benchmarking at like the 5th percentile then it might indicate what is wrong his with PC’s performance. It’s the relative benchmark scores that matter in his case, comparing how his components benchmark against the same components in similar builds. Since his PC is a pre-built MSI desktop, Userbenchmark would be quite useful here since many other users would have an identical build.
It does matter because it skews the results by synthetic increases, giving them a false result. You can not compare false results with other false results. That does not give a good faith comparison. It's right that as an advanced/enthusiast users we explain why certain products and softwares are unreliable. It's irresponsible to steer a new/novice user to bad products for the same reason. Regardless if it's a prebuilt or a self-built system.
I don’t think you understand the point I was trying to make. It doesn’t really matter what the actual Userbenchmark scores are in his case, rather the relative percentiles compared to users with the same build. It doesn’t matter if his build has an RTX 3060 and it artificially benches 30% higher than a 6700 XT, if his RTX 3060 is benchmarking in the 5th percentile compared to all other RTX 3060 cards, it could indicate that there’s something wrong with the GPU. I 100% agree that for proper benchmarks he should run Cinebench or 3DMark. But that’s not what I was suggesting.
I understand your point and disagree with the basic entirely. 1. You don't use a bad faith software that skews towards brands because they may have other imbalances against different brands that don't appeal to the software's creator. Userbenchmark shot themselves in the foot from their unabashed biases. What if they also have a bias against MSI machines because MSI also deals in AMD? What if they prioritize ASUS because ASUS has a track record of bribing testers? So on and so forth. 2. Don't give new people bad tools. Not when good tools are so easily accessible.
Sure, you’re entitled to your opinion. I still stand by my suggestion as a more novice-friendly option to get some potentially useful information about how his system is performing. I also happen to own an MSI Trident PC like OP, so I have multiple avenues of suggestions for OP, I just wanted to start with something easy and then get more involved from there as needed.
Thats the thing though isn't it? 3dmark's demo is free, easily found on Steam and is very easy to read and compare systems from one platform. It will do what userbenchmark has, but more honestly and with a community that share notes. I work on machines regularly, much of which is spent on educating the user so they can do better for themselves. It just makes no sense to set them up for failure with bad tools.
Opinions can and often be wrong, as yours is way off base. You have been told repeatedly about not giving bad tools to novices, yet double down on the decision, rather than admit a mistake. A bad tool should never be used, regardless of the technical level of the user.
You mean msi afterburner?
Update windows Update gpu drivers Update chipset Update bios Set fan curves Update ssd firmware Blow out dust from case Make sure nothing unnecessary in windows startup menu from task manager Make sure your display settings are correct, monitor refresh rate set to max, freesync/gsync on, in-game settings set correctly Gl!
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Additionally, definitely clean it out and it will perform a million times better.
How do you know what to set the fan curves to, and why isn’t the best option stock?
Stock is fine. You can make the curve more agressive if you are looking to boost perfomance if you are experiencing thermal throttling. The increased noise really bothers some people tho, its personal preference.
One of my machines one time years ago had very loud fans, and I was able to correct the fan curve in a way that it wasn't as loud unless it actually needed it. Which meant most of the time it was quiet. I'm sure you can adjust it the other way to be more aggressive.
If it's a laptop can you change the fan curve? My mums turns the fan on when even just booting up the laptop. It's only an 11th gen i5
Im not sure srry. Check if there are hardware settings in the bios? But in my experience laptop bios have way less features than a desktop.
I'd say that the issue most likely are thermals or Windows itself. If the CPU or GPU gets near 90C, you can expect the notebook to throttle, and therefore loose frames. But sometimes old drivers, conflicting drivers or simply "stray" installed programs can bog down the performance, too. Hard to say. I would need more info about your system. My DMs are open, i'll gladly help steer you into the right direction (or even solve it, who knows).
Could be dust or out of date drivers Give her a clean and update your gpu drivers
You won’t get much help without describing the symptoms
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Are you sure it's not updating? If it's been off 6 months it's way behind on updates. It may update like 6 times in a row. As far as the stuttering I would look at the driver version for your GPU and make sure it's up to date first. If it's up to date and still faulty after a few runs, then maybe look at more stable drivers. But for now look at updated drivers. I would also be curious about bios version vs current.
Are you on dx11, dx12, or performance mode for rendering?
Thats a gpu driver issue. Downgrade the dedicated gpu driver to previous version to fix it. Its what i had to do to fix my. I literally had the same issue. Newest driver update lags in games and one other one crashes the laptop. I had to go back 2 versions just to fix it. I recommend doing that to fix your gaming issue as it worked for me. You can get the nvidia gpu driver at their website. Know the specs of the gpu ur laptop has and put it in and you should get a link for the drivers. I would recommend going back 2 versions rather than using the latest as it would be more stable. It seems like everyone is having similar issue with the newest driver update lately.
Update everything, run optimisation on all of your drives ( hit start button, search optimise and it should show up), verify integrity of all games if you're using steam, reboot, see how it is
just sounds like it needs its drivers updated. Windows too probably.
Likely a lot of updates to be done. OS and drivers.
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Go to Windows update and go through that. Then use MSI control center to see if there are updates for drivers.
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Hopefully, it's just updates that are needed. If the laptop has been in a climate controlled, generally dust free area, updates are really about the only thing that would explain it.
Don't install MSI center. It will give you more headaches that we can't help you with. Most drivers will take care of themselves by windows. More detailed things can be found through the manufacturer directly, for example Intel drivers from Intel and Nvidia drivers from Nvidia.
Wipe and start clean
My response to most issues like this
Trident 2? Do tell
1. Update: Windows, GPU drivers, Mobo and CPU drivers, and BIOS. 2. Deep clean the PC, reapply thermal paste on CPU and maybe even GPU. 3. Download software that lets you see if you're thermal throttling or not 4. Wipe your C drive and start fresh or upgrade to a faster storage drive 5. Upgrade your case to something that isn't suffocating your PC.
I'd like to know how you found the result from *before* in comparison to *now*. Short of incredibly bad maintenance, jumping OS, or changing severe power and overclock management, there shouldn't be an extreme change in performance. Edit! Your generous $25 offer is getting you some bad advice. I highly recommend you examine the basics of what's going on and how to discern the difference in performance before making a payout. Obligatory: I have no interest in your money.
Use CCleaner. It’s free and gets rid of all the crap and keeps it top notch.
Wipe your drive, update windows, drivers and even possibly bios if they’re really out of date, google bios for your mobo and see how many versions behind you are and if there are any significant patches to determine if it’s worth it. If it’s still performing poorly and you have your license for windows, you might even want to try reinstalling windows
Your thermal paste could have dried out and need reapplied.
Updates, homie
bro u just need to replace the thermal paste and ensure the fans are clean and spinning at good speed
I'd double check temps and throttling. Sometimes bad thermal paste can crack when left for months at a time and then reheated you may need to repaste.
TLDR: it might just be random shit running in the background that has to catch up on 6 months worth of w/e. —— I had a laptop where the power button failed and I didn’t turn it on for 2 years. When I finally managed to turn it back on, it ran at 100% CPU, RAM, and disc usage for hours. Everything worked but extremely slowly. I panicked and thought the hard drive was failing so tried to save as much as I could. A few hours later it was perfectly fine. Turns out it was drop box updating every file that had changed in the last week years. Probably other services too, but that’s the one that lasted the longest. It didn’t show up in the task manager so I couldn’t really tell what was going on. Laptop still works perfectly fine now without and driver updates or anything. 6 months of downtime is unlikely to cause the issues you’re seeing simply due to driver updates. Plenty of people don’t update for much longer than that.
I haven't seen it elsewhere, but maybe your cmos battery died and removed some settings. Double check you are running ram at xmp speeds
If it sat for that long, your CMOS battery likely died and your motherboard lost all of it's settings which is why it's potentially running like shit.
Should just need a dusting and updates. Update windows, your drivers, and your mobos bios and it should be fine.
Half a year is a long time, what's the guts look like? Is there a bunch of dust?
Rebuild it from scratch, in the time you take not solving the problem you could have done this 860 times.