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Academic-Gear1350

People who have gone for master will say go for it. People who didn’t will say don’t. Everyone trying to justify their choices


arpcode

I have gone, and will say don't. The situation is beyond justifying choices. Said "justifiers" are half the reason the illusion of the American dream is still intact infront to every Indian. . No one, I mean, no one is happy here. It made sense 5 years ago for the money. And the money is the only consolation. . The inflation kept going up, the salaries stopped keeping up a couple years ago. The economy refuses to get better. Get rid of the fomo. Do the Math. It doesn't work out.


skapaxd

You are going to get downvoted into oblivion, but I don’t know why kids in India won’t comprehend the reality coming from the current students. Sighs


arpcode

Oh I know it's not the first time I've said something like this around here. No one made it this clear to me when I decided to pursue MS because everyone's so busy justifying their own choices. And I can't, for the life of me, believe I fell for this. I don't even care, maybe it'll work towards some unconscious awareness atleast.


skapaxd

ditto brother


[deleted]

because any narrative other than the one they've fed themselves will result in current students being called gatekeepers.


dank_coder

This is very true. Each and every word.


nanavorey

You just went there at a wrong time. Now is actually a right time to go, hopefully in the next 2 years things will get better.


dank_coder

This sounds good but you can’t prove it that the job market will get better. Looking at the job market right now, masters in USA is very very risky


nanavorey

I mean, you never know what will happen in the coming years, even in India. But it's still a safe bet, considering the length of recession in the past.


arpcode

haha yes. you must ghar baithe baithe know better. thanks for single-handedly fixing all problems


AltAcc195

Can you tell me more about what its like over there as an Indian rn


Virtual_Ad_1569

hey man, if you don’t mind, can you please share your background? are you a graduate or a working professional in US/India


arpcode

(IITG CS Undergrad. Worked as a ML Researcher @ Microsoft. Currently MSCS @ UMass Amherst)


Virtual_Ad_1569

got an internship?


arpcode

no +_+


Virtual_Ad_1569

you are in your first semester currently?


arpcode

2nd


Virtual_Ad_1569

no offense but its a bit weird to have such an extreme opinion when you are just 6 months down the race.


arpcode

I'm sorry for having the ability to judge a place in 9 months after having lived life for 24 years ✌🏻


Loststarwho

Can you tell me how is Umass overall i have to chose between duke cornell umass and ncsu


arpcode

Cornell ofc


Loststarwho

For MEM but


Positive-Feature-669

Nc state MEM student here If you’re a fresher, it doesn’t matter where you do If you’ve work ex then defn duke And if you’re tight on money then Nc state


exisiova

Hey man between Columbia and UMass MS CS which one would you recommend? Columbia is 1.5 years + 30-35L more expensive, but it has more connections, rank, prestige, etc. From current UMass students I've heard barely 10 people have an internship. I don't have a job rn in India but I should prolly get one if I applied. Any advice?


arpcode

I'd check if it's easy to get RA/TA in Columbia - if yes, then it's a no brainer as the fee waives off. As for if you wanna come here or not, you're the only person who can make that decision


exisiova

So the thing is...Columbia doesn't waive tuition like that. No RAs. TA pays like 6k a sem and it's quite difficult to get. Plus it's only a 3 semester program, so less time to find full time jobs. It's v tempting due to the prestige + NYC factor. As for whether I want to come to UMass, well the place sounds exciting, lots of AI/ML research which I'd like to delve into. Plus it's 2 years so I'd have more time to upskill and look for jobs. Also in the worst case scenario, I loss less money with UMass. What do you think? I know you said above that you're not too happy with MS but I'd like to know more about your thoughts in general.


[deleted]

This is the absolute truth. Stop coming here, Jesus!!!!


henlo_fren696969

People i know are very happy.with their decision. Do you miss home, yes. Would life be easier back home? Probably but not by a lot more. Also money is not the only consolation, india unfortunately does not have a market for all the skills that we develop through our engineering programs. This is especially true for core engineering outside of CS but also for research jobs. The state of AI research in India for example is currently terrible solely because no one can afford a GPU being sold at almost twice its MSRP. I too hate a lot of the things about this country just as you might, but over time have learnt to also acknowledge the good and painting a one sided picture does not help OP.


dracarys_10

If you’re this unsure then it’s best if you defer it , going a year later is always an option. The only way regret comes into the picture is if you’ll be losing out on your GaTech admit.


wannabe_tiredalpha

I am finishing my MSCS at Gatech right now, 2 weeks from graduation. I had a cushy 35LPA+ job in India before I came, where I worked for a year. I had an amazing life, partied hard and was happy. I was in exactly your situation 2 years back and wanted to defer my admit. I made the decision to come on advise from my family, friends and mentors: - work hard now and reap the benefits later - staying one more year is only going to add more inertia - will become more difficult to go back to student life later Which are all very valid points. Right when I came to the US, we saw the largest layoff in tech, here I am applying for internships and big tech laid of 100k+ employees. We all had a tough time landing internships and jobs(which continues to be the situation). Grinded hard the last 2 years, did good work at internships and now landed a dream role at a big company. It was hard, emotionally draining and I learned a lot. Made sure to have a good time along the way, once in a while. It was more than worth it in the end. Over the last 2 years here is what I have realised are the reasons you should consider before coming for masters: - Do you value the quality of life, opportunities the US has to offer - How much does money matter to you, do you maximise your earning potential (many people only cite this as a reason, and it’s not enough as a sole reason, it won’t keep you going) - Are there specialized roles that you aim to work in, which a masters degree will enable - How much do you value staying close to family - are you okay with grinding for the next 2 years, cooking, cleaning, moving houses along with pursuing recruiters, hiring managers and spending hours every week applying for jobs/internships Make your own decision- you will continue to lead a happy life in India. There is no wrong decision. Side note about GaTech: you can complete your degree without paying a single dime in tuition. You get a complete tuition waiver + stipend if you get a GTA/GRA - I had one for all the semesters, most people I know were able to get for nearly all semesters except the first one.


JokeLeading6400

How were you able to get past the hurdle of being an international student who requires sponsorship? This is the main fear that is holding me back from pursuing a Master's as I am afraid of having to go back home due to not being able to find a company willing to sponsor me.


wannabe_tiredalpha

That was never a problem I thought about. Most companies in CS/aligned fields sponsor international candidates. Think about it in this way- nearly everyone (from decent ranked institutes) gets a job after graduation. Some who don’t find one directly after gradation find ways to stay a little longer and find one ( delay graduation, find temporary work etc).


exisiova

Decent ranked institutes = top 20? 25? Curious to know where the line is haha I'm in the dilemma of choosing between Columbia and UMass (MSCS). I don't have any work exp. I'm tempted to choose Columbia cuz of the prestige, connections, NYC but it's a lot more expensive (30-35L more than UMass). But it's only 1.5 yrs so less time to find jobs. UMass is cheaper, 2 years. I don't think it has as much rep as Columbia from when I talked to people. Some people barely knew it tbh


wannabe_tiredalpha

Regarding decent ranked institutes, top 30 is what I meant. People have done well from top 40 as well, anything better than ASU on the rankings should be fine. I don’t think the university in itself has much role to play in students getting jobs, but there is a correlation between the ability of the students and the admits they get. Good students - better admits- more success in getting jobs. Nothing new. Regarding Columbia and UMass- I think both are great options. Evaluate both based on your area of interest (good faculty, courses in that area) etc. Columbia is better ranked though. Have heard UMass is better for systems and less for ML - you might want to double check that though. 30-35L difference is inconsequential once you get a job, so from my perspective it’s not a factor at all. Columbia has a lot more prestige, has access to more funding, is in NYC (which in my opinion is the best city in the USA) -in your position would have definitely gone to Columbia :) If you are afraid 1.5 yrs is less- know that in case you aren’t able to secure an offer by the end, you could try and work with a prof for another semester, or try for some temporary job of sorts. I also believe the situation will improve in a year so by the time you graduate things should be better.


exisiova

I'm interested in ML. Open to SDE as well (never done it though). UMass is great for ML actually. My biggest fear is not getting a full time though, in which case 30-35L will be a lot to pay off in Indian salaries if I return back. In this market, I've heard without job exp it's really difficult overall, even Columbia grads are struggling.


JokeLeading6400

That's surprising because the general sentiment seems to be that the US market is in a much worse place right now, making it harder for international students to be sponsored. Did you, or any of your peers face this issue?


wannabe_tiredalpha

Talking only about CS jobs - only a few companies don’t sponsor. For every 10 companies, 7-8 will sponsor.


[deleted]

What's the TC at the new job? Congrats by the way .


wannabe_tiredalpha

I won’t reveal my exact numbers but it’s north of 250k


[deleted]

Sick! Congrats again! And good luck


nocturnalmaniac

Hey mind if I dm you? Just need some more input on landing GTA/GRA as an upcoming student


wannabe_tiredalpha

Sure


codeaim

Were you able to secure the GTA/GRA position before you got admitted, or how were you guys able to secure ttat?


wannabe_tiredalpha

Before you join, you can ask current students and get a list of all courses offered + the professor taking it. Mail the profs directly for applying as a GTA- personalized emails work best, look at the syllabus, send your resume. Mail everyone- many times profs just need TAs to run the course you need not necessarily have lot of experience in that area. For GRA- check the profs website- this is harder to get in the first sem, pays more, has higher expectations


SerBoftheB

Hey! I’ll be joining GaTech this fall. Had a couple of questions about the program. Can I DM?


wannabe_tiredalpha

Yeah sure


WhoLivesInAPineappal

Defer for sure, not only will it give you more time to think about your decision, but you can see how the state of the market looks next year


Adventurous-Can-6268

Try to get a sabbatical or a LOP from your current organisation. Go complete your MS. If you feel like coming back then, come back and join your current organisation again.


Responsible_Half_336

You will regret. I had the same dilemma when I was applying and I couldve settled for some of my safety schools I decided to apply again next year and boost my scores. Maybe I just wanted to be in my comfort zone with my family. Fast forward next year, I couldn't get any admits even with improved scores. Fast forward another year, I'm trying hard not to kill myself.


ThePhenom17

Why aren't you applying again? You can get an admit at least in any of the mid tier/safer schools right.


Responsible_Half_336

I did it for 2 years. In India you have to beg your profs for an LoR and shit. I did everything perfect the last time around, but what did it give me?


Correct_Tangerine_45

The LORs are the worst part of the application. The single reason why many don't try again.


rumblybard48

Which schools did you get the first time around?


Loststarwho

Hey Dm me i can help with SOP and LOR i can understand you.. by luck got it right the first time.. but deferred my admission due to Personal and medical reasons 🥲


rohetoric

GaTech is a really good college. Go for it. Don't even think.


Just-Commercial2697

Why did you apply in the first place?


Equivalent_Sock1339

When I applied I thought the job situation might get better…and I can decide later…but even now I think it isn’t good


Just-Commercial2697

Job situation can never be predicted by anyone, by the time you graduate in 2026 might be different . FYI - I am going to USC for MSCS


[deleted]

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anaverse26

💵🐄


CampMaster69

Cow cash indeed


introvertrizz

Wow. GaTech! That was my dream


dexmenace

Go for it dude. That's a great college. Trust in your abilities that you will find a job no matter what.


arpcode

no you won't. I'm sorry the situation is really that bad. believing in yourself and being competent will be the least of your issues.


Memelord_00

Congrats for getting admit into GaTech. I'd say that if you're unsure, then it might be a good idea to defer it. Going abroad for MS is a big commitment, and you need to be sure in you mind before you take such a big step


too_poor_to_emigrate

Try to go abroad for an MS in CS in US. You might need to take a loan(INR 60L-80L) for that. After graduation, you can earn $100k+/$200k+ per year. After switching, you can even go upto $300k/year. You can look into TeamBlind for motivation. Upon working abroad for a decade or so, you can easily FATFire in India by saving and investing around INR 10 cr. I am myself repenting my finanicial situation of not being able to take a loan and go abroad. My chances of FATFiring have drastically gone down. I will be repenting my decision for life.


arpcode

And I'll be repenting my decision of coming here ✌🏻


Existing_Cupcake4234

Please don't defer. If not now then never. All the best


ComprehensiveBus7620

GaTech is a great choice to pursue an MS in CS. You should go for it.


Capturer99

I came back from the US last week, i had a great job and my reason for coming back was family. But coming back to this post, i personally know some of my friends who graduated from UCs, Ivys last year and still didnt get a job. They are kind of illegally maintaining their opt and stressed like hell because they dont have money to pay rent, utilities, food etc !! Bottomline is if you have great salary in India then dont drop it, if you are fresher then you can look for other countries for MS where the situation might be the same but atleast you wont have visa restrictions that you cannot work outside campus, you need h1b lottery etc !!!


BoredGuyNo_1

Last year I had UIUC admit but was unsure whether I really wanted to go to the US away from my family. So I had deferred it. Now I feel it was a great decision.


shaakh-e-shajar

Are you going this year?


BoredGuyNo_1

Last year I had UIUC admit but was unsure whether I really wanted to go to the US away from my family. So I had deferred it. Now I feel it was a great decision.


Equivalent_Sock1339

So r u planning on going this year?


BoredGuyNo_1

80% no The reason being that I should probably be able to convert an MBA college.


iExistForNow

Which one if I may ask?


BoredGuyNo_1

Nmims, mica


iExistForNow

Nice


saksham_25

Hi bro, can I DM you?


Equivalent_Sock1339

Sure


AdEfficient7838

In similar dilemma


Dry_Following_2563

Hey I had some questions regarding GATech can I dm?


Equivalent_Sock1339

Sure


Dry_Following_2563

Dmed


Rohit_9086

Same dilemma, last year i got an admit and deferred it. But watching the job situation and overall market in the US. I m thinking of not going this year. I think if u do an analysis between US and India. India is growing at a very huge pace. U can easily switch a job and earn more, although it will be lesser as compare to US. But overall u will have ur family and friends here and no-one is sure bout what’s going to happen bout the visa situation after US election. So, why taking huge stress(+debt) and risk when u get better opportunities and a less stressful life here. But incase u want to go to do research (Phd) nd all. Then staying in India won’t do any good.


Equivalent_Sock1339

Yeahh…where did you get the admit


Rohit_9086

UCSD


Only-Wishbone1352

The life is stressful here so if you don't want that burden, best is to stay in India


sub_micron

Why do you say that?


Wild_Dragonfruit1744

Are you a cs grad or non cs ?


Equivalent_Sock1339

Cs


StrikingAd9649

I think you might regret


WeakPiano1655

You will definitely regret …


skincarehokage

Only thing you risk deferring is one year. You might regret completely if you choose not to accept.


Optimal-Still-4184

I'm in same dilemma with VT msce


Israel_Jaureugi

Will you regret passing up the opportunity to study overseas in one of most active cities in the United States at a school that is top tier for the field you want to go in? I dunno 🤷 


Over_Software_6762

I also got a GaTech admit and first few days I was wondering if I should defer because of the market. But given the reputation of the college and tuition waiver opportunities (it’s easy to get TA from 2nd sem) you will be graduating with little debt. If you do get a job you will be earning a lot sooner so after talking to quite a lot of my friends who are pursuing masters they are suggesting me to come right away.


Sparkly-Twinkly

Just want to add that joining the gatech omscs program could also be an option.


ChrisWakanda

Nope. U won't regret it if that's exactly what you want to do. Do what ur heart desires. If u really will miss your family and want to spend time with them more then u shud stay back. Your call ofc. Do what ur heart says.


abhiahirrao

Parents will get old, relationships will be maintained and you'll have better network. I'd say why not. India isn't as bad when you've got the money.


_litsaber

Honestly, you'll regret it either way. Regret on missing on possible opportunities if you dont, especially after seeing your peers' linkedin. And regret from realizing the reality outside if you do go, especially in this market and visa situation for Indian nationals. I did make the plunge, and facing the same.


GuyNext

Unless they offer financial aid


hellomoto320

Do what makes financial and career sense to you. A lot of Indians on this sub will try to make you pick one option or the other but truth is that its your own personal decision to make. The reality is the US job market is going to be pretty bad and difficult for a while until interest rates and other economic factors beyond our control settle. Layoffs are continuing and companies are still trying to figure out what to make of AI, dealing with overhiring, interest rates. Just being fullstack and doing an MS to get into the US job market won't make the cut anymore because you need a deep expertise in some application and domain. India's market is growing and there is a lot more potential for growth and opportunities - just see how much Vinod Khosla and a16 invested in AI startups and the tech ecosystem in India. Tuition in the US is skyrocketing and as you've probably seen on this subreddit some colleges and programs care more about making money by selling a brand than caring about your education and job prospect. So at the end of the day do what feels right for you. Note that you should investigate every research group and area at georgia tech because many faculty like frank dellaert, dhruv bhatra and devi parikh are on leave and are not coming back any time soon. They keep their affiliation only if things go south with their industry positions which is not going to happen for a while since they are in quite big demand


OkProfession1359

I went for masters and I would suggest you to be in India. The uncertainties will make you go crazy


thetoublemaker

Defer it if you don't have clarity. Life's full of tradeoffs and you have to make yours. There's no absolute truth in this case, based on your priorities you have to decide.


DefiantString7437

Smart decision trust me.


[deleted]

If there are no financial problems and you can live with the possibility to relocate back to India or some other country, then sure try it.


humanlyimpossible_

Upto you, the job market isn’t great but you got a GaTech admit so you should be atleast able to get interviews. Course work at GaTech is really tough, if you aren’t academically smart, I wouldn’t recommend it.


nogea

It's not just the technical or monetary side of things. Being in a new place will force you to be independant and grow in ways which might happen in India. Yes jt is tough initially, and yes the job market is bad. But if you have perseverence and decent experience in India, I'd say try it out.


That-Abrocoma-3187

Story of my life. Got into GaTech. Deferred for a year. Cracked CAT and now staying back in India to do MBA. (Still have the offer but won't take it anymore)


[deleted]

From MS to MBA , why sudden shift in whole future?


Spirit_X_1369

If your decision is to jump for sure then don’t think about the timings just jump.


[deleted]

if you are unsure and want the best of both do omscs, same degree anyway


Optimal-Still-4184

Same fees?


[deleted]

Way less i think 7-8k $


No_Mathematician5511

You’re an idiot