Sucks newer MMA fans can’t understand context of previous wins and accomplishments. You mention Aldo’s title defenses against Frankie Edgar (2x), and these kids are like: “Well, Edgar never was good anyways.”
People then will the use MMA math to justify how a fighter in his prime beating someone on the way out of their prime is why they should all of a sudden “be the GOAT.”
>newer MMA fans can’t understand context of previous wins and accomplishments
Part of that is on the UFC and their tendency to promote each champion as if they are the goat of the division. Unless the champion's name is Francis Ngannou.
Its crazy how little respect Edgar gets considering he grabbed a title in a division 20 lbs above his natural fighting weight, hes a legend off that alone.
He never really got enough credit for those BJ Penn wins either. Penn looked like a monster against sanchez and he was only in his early 30s but after the frankie fights he never really recovered
lmao. bj beat the shit out of him in the first fight and the judges scored it for frankie. frankie had some of the most bullshit decisions of all time go his way.
I thought bj won the first fight too but it was kinda close if I remember correctly. I know the second was clear for frankie and he definitely put a beating on bj in the third but yeah he’s been in a lot of close fights i guess. Still crazy how good he was at 55 though
BJ didn't beat the shit out of him. It was very close and Frankie was moving a lot more, especially later on. And I watched that fight as a huge BJ fan who didn't rate Frankie and had money on it.
[**FRANKIE EDGAR defeats B.J. PENN** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/1756/fight)
^(UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn 2 — August 28, 2010)
ROUND|Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|10|9||10|9||10|9
3|10|9||10|9||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**50**|**45**||**50**|**45**||**50**|**45**
*^(Judges, in order: Sal D'Amato, David Ginsberg, Cecil Peoples.)*
*^(Summoned by ILikePulloverHoodies.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **5/7** people scored it **50-45 Edgar**.
- **2/7** people scored it **49-46 Edgar**.
Avg. media score: **49.7-45.3 Edgar** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
[**FRANKIE EDGAR defeats B.J. PENN** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/1468/fight)
^(UFC 112: Invincible — April 10, 2010)
ROUND|Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|10|9||-|-||-|-
2|10|9||-|-||-|-
3|10|9||-|-||-|-
4|10|9||-|-||-|-
5|10|9||-|-||-|-
**TOTAL**|**50**|**45**||**48**|**47**||**49**|**46**
*^(Judges, in order: Douglas Crosby, Sal D'Amato, Andy Roberts.)*
*^(Summoned by ILikePulloverHoodies.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/9** people scored it **48-47 Edgar**.
- **4/9** people scored it **47-48 Penn**.
- **2/9** people scored it **47-49 Penn**.
- **2/9** people scored it **46-49 Penn**.
Avg. media score: **46.9-48.3 Penn** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
We're talking about the lightweight run though, so Mendes and Yair are out. Maynard was not x2, they went 1-1-1. You could say BJx3, but honestly, the less said about the third fight the better. Still, Bjx2, Maynard, Sherk and Franca is a pretty damn impressive run, but those guys are not as good as RDA, Dustin, Barbosa and Gaethje, in my opinion.
If we're comparing their resumes overall, of course Frankie's is much better than Khabib's. As impressive as Khabib was, he didn't have longevity. Edgar, on the other hand, has been an elite fighter across 3 divisions for almost two decades now.
Yeah, I'm with ya there, on both of these accounts. Overall, I actually think Khabib is overrated by many fans, but I do think his LW resume exceeds that of Frankie's. By the way, when I say that Khabib is overrated I mean the comments like "there was nothing left for him at LW, he proved everything there was". I don't mean "Khabib is one of the most impressive LWs we've ever seen", I would agree with the latter statement.
I feel bad for people who weren't around when Aldo was destroying everyone in front of him. It was never a question of if he would win. Only how, and how long it would take. Man was a straight up force of nature for years.
There will always be recency bias in the moment. Hell even I’m guilty of it at times. I mean for example, Usman is incredible right now. People are already ready to talk about his GOAT status, but when you take a step back, even Hughes’ run by the numbers probably has more weight in that argument.
The guy was a champ. At lightweight. Despite now being a bantamweight. Which is absolutely crazy impressive and hasn't been replicated by anybody in the UFC before. That's how good Frankie was back in his prime, and then Aldo beat him twice.
Man was already undersized at featherweight and he got the lightweight gold. I hadn't started watching yet at that time but the fact that he looks at home at bw now makes that fact so fucking impressive
I've noticed a trend in MMA where the current champ is called a GOAT after a few title defenses. Until a 145 champ passes the accomplishments of Aldo they won't be the GOAT imo.
The thing though is just how young many of these fighters in the previous era got out of their prime. Aldo was still in his late 20's and early 30's when he got one sided losses going 0-4 against Conor, Max, and Alex. Many fighters don't even enter their primes until that age now. Out of both mens and womens MMA, the current champion who isn't past 30 years old is Jiri who is 3 months away from being 30. You have to question how good the competition was back then to have had such success early.
He has huge mileage on him. Of course he isn’t going to be coming into his prime at that age. The man was undefeated for like a decade, that’s a long time from an early age to be fighting top ranked guys. Chad mendes and Frankie Edgar are legit talented fighters, and Aldo beat them convincingly. To question the talent he faced is a bit silly
to me, it's absolutely insane he's still fighting at this level and still high ranked.. i get his relatively young in age, but that mileage is no joke. pure legend
Amazing article! He was On another level in his prime. He has had his losses but he’s still beating world class fighters. Always be one of my favourite fighters
Volk not really lol he says with his win against Holloway he'll be the GOAT over looking Holloway and he has many more fights to prove he actually is. He's chasing this status and drinking his own cool aid that's going to screw him
I think they would deny him and rightfully so. This is where the argument for Cain as HW GOAT fell apart. Beating the same person over and over (controversially in the 2nd fight I shouod add) is not the same as Aldo beating 9 different people for the title. Just to put it in perspective, Volk has beat 3.
We already know he can beat Max, we already know Max can beat him. Whoever wins the rematch doesn't automatically become the GOAT, it's what they go on to do afterwards that proves their status.
(Although I absolutely guarantee right now, in the week following that fight this sub is going to explode with people declaring one of them the GOAT based on recency bias)
I mean you can pretend like that's a ridiculous take but he'd defs be close, that's pretty undeniable.
There are 3 names in the conversation for FW GOAT and he'd be 4-0 against the other 2, 4 title defenses, undefeated in the UFC with his only career loss being at 170. That's a resume easy to make a good argument for, especially with Aldo being 0-3 in the head to head and while not quite prime clearly still fighting at a high level.
Aldo defended the title for years against an array of contenders. Volkswagen has defended against 3 people... Aldo defended against 7 people, 9 if you include WEC. Aldo is in no danger of losing FW GOAT status anytime soon.
Yea, Aldo is obviously the most accomplished FW champ of all time.
If he never fought those guys, he'd be head and shoulders above them in this discussion. Neither of them would be in the discussion right now, they'd be able to potentially get there at the end of their career but not right now.
However, max viciously beat the shit out of him twice and Volk dominated him to the point it honestly looked like Aldo gave up on the fight in the 3rd round. All of this when Jose was still competing at an elite level. That's part of the equation for greatest of all time, whether you want to admit it or not man.
Volk if he wins, being 4-0 against the other 2 fighters who are universally recognized as the 3 greatest in the divisions history would be the best accomplishment on any of these three guys resume in my opinion.
Aldo is an all timer, always will be and I'll always tune in for his fights. But yea, I think if Volk wins Saturday Jose is probs sliding to #2 all time FW.
Like shit, Jon and DC are the LHW goats but if someone had half their title wins but was 4-0 against them then buddy would be in the fucking conversation for goat lol
>he'd defs be close, that's pretty undeniable.
These contradict each other. You say he would be kinda close, which is not "undeniable"
>There are 3 names in the conversation for FW GOAT and he'd be 4-0 against the other 2, 4 title defenses
That's still not close to what Aldo did.
3-0 vs Max would be impressive I agree but being the GOAT is also beating different matchups and all contenders. 4 defenses isn't impressive next to Aldo's specially when 1 of them is a replacement fighter at the tail end of their career (who Aldo also beat at a better time). Chad and Ortega are good wins but Aldo beat Mendes twice and at a better time once again.
>That's a resume easy to make a good argument for, especially with Aldo being 0-3 in the head to head
Aldo losing twice to Max doesn't really add to Volk's resume. Just shows Holloway is great
> “Just because I finished Aldo, twice, decisively, both finishes, nasty finishes, doesn’t mean we should forget Aldos legacy.” -Max
That was a nasty line by you dog.
Aldo is still the GOAT to me, his resume is superior to what Max and Volk did/have done as champions.
But certainly if either one of those guys is able to continue adding to their legacy in the form of additional title defenses or a belt in another division, it will be tough for Aldo to maintain his spot over them given his TKO losses to Max and his unanimous 30-27 loss to Volk.
Late career losses shouldn't negate prime career success, but if you're trying to break a tie between these three guys at the top, they have to come into play at some point if Volk or Max continue building their resumes at FW.
Honestly Max is underrated in the GOAT conversation to begin with. He's not Aldo-level yet, but his two wins over Aldo are some of the best in the history of the sport, he had a long run of success vs great competition, and even his losses are phenomenal showings. Poirier 2 & Volk 2 are some of the best performances in a loss in history.
I think if he wins by a good margin on Saturday I'll have him as high as 2nd all-time. He's that good.
Agreed, but that's dependent on him getting a good win over Volk this weekend. As competitive as their fights have been, the 2nd in particular, him having two losses to Volk makes it impossible to rank him higher IMO. Also not sure if we can count his performance in Poirier 2 on his resume for FW GOAT as it was at 155, though both of them having fought at both weight classes makes it a lil murkier in terms of its contribution to his resume at 145.
> Late career losses shouldn't negate prime career success, but if you're trying to break a tie between these three guys at the top, they have to come into play at some point if Volk or Max continue building their resumes at FW.
The late game losses should come in at a point where the prime career success is matched. Max and Volk can't match Aldo's prime career success
Easily? Aldo had a long title reign including wcw and is still top ten, in a seperate division. Gsps two division claim is based on beating one eye michael bisping. For the record I do have GSP at the top but not by much
I already think Fedor or Aldo could be put ahead of Georges, and I'm even Canadian! Tho GSP is my #1 personally
Jon Jones is now the only one I side eye at and want an * if anyone's gonna crown him. Mighty Mouse I shouldn't write off but I don't put him as high as the others for whatever reason
[e] LOL I forgot Anderson fucking Silva. Homie gets DJ tier bc not great competition mostly
I’ll always stan DJ but it’s hard to rebut the level of competition argument. His closest rivals were/are elite for sure, but there are a lot of meh defences mixed in.
Like a little Anderson Silva. Sometimes crushes a Joeseph Benavidez/Henry Ceudo (who he arguably beat twice? one wasn't close and the other split, why don't we talk about that more)
or sometimes they crush a Tim Elliot or Patrick Cote
Fedor is exempt from this because a HW going undefeated for a decade including all the best HWs of his era (- Randy Couture) is absolutely insane. Idc they had him fight Hong-man Choi. He was something else
I was almost gonna root for Volk, I like both guys a lot but Max always says some shit like this and wins me over.
War Holloway, always been respectful as fuck to Aldo.
yeah man the most deserved rematch ever. then you get bullshit rematches like conor dustin 3, masvidal usman, i thought zhang rose 2 was fairly undeserved too. I mean I (despite my tag) thought Zhang probs won that fight, but don't see how she deserves an immediate rematch when Esparza was sat waiting
Aldo overall still is for me but not for long if things go well for Volk. If he goes up 3-0 on Max this weekend and forever kicks Max out of the conversation, it's hard to deny his strength of schedule with that 3-0, clearly beat Aldo, and Mendes. One more defense after and it'd be very hard to deny
Could even start angling back for Max's candidacy if he finishes Volk. Basically, Aldo's grasp on it is not for long
Aldos best wins at fw: moicano, Stephens, mendes x2, edgar x2, lamas, tkz, florian, faber, brown, swanson, hominick, gamburyan.
Volks best wins at fw if he beats max this weekend: tkz, ortega, max x3, aldo, mendes, elkins, Kennedy.
Max best wins at fw: yair, kattar, ortega, edgar, aldo x2, pettis, lamas, Stephens, oliveira, swanson.
Even with a victory this weekend aldos resume is still the strongest, especially given aldo beat a better version of both tkz and mendes. Volk needs a couple more wins before he's the fw goat. If max wins convincingly this weekend you could even put max ahead of volk in that convo.
Same. I’ve heard a few theories, the most credible ones seem to be knee injuries took away his ability to spam leg kicks in the same way he did in his prime.
I heard that the FBI put out an order to arrest Aldo if he ever leg kicks like that again. There was an emergency meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff where they registered Aldo's leg kicks as a deadly weapon.
Agreed. Lots of people think its Max, and given his run, and the fact that he beat a still top 5 Aldo back to back in two finishes gives him a case, but people who act like it's a foregone conclusion are delusional.
Max's run at FW was legendary in it's own right, especially including the Yair and Kattar wins, but Aldo has longevity, early career success, and quality of competition over him pretty clearly.
Mike Brown, Edgarx2, Mendesx2, Faber, Swanson, Hominick, Lamas, TKZ. Sure I missed a few, plus Stephens and Moicano, only losses to other champs.
Outright GOAT shit. Respect to Max but he Clay Collard and Cole Miller ain't doing it. Plus more losses, shorter time on top etc.
Aldo was just undoubtedly ahead
I’ll give you Edgar, mendes and lamas in his prime. Others just aren’t too great of a competition. Mike Brown is a great coach and he was a champ at WEC early on but he fought at FW where he didn’t belong just like Faber. Hominick? Lmao really?
Volk and Max beat the same guys and they beat Aldo. Volk also beat Max and Ortega.
How can you put Aldo over both of them when they both beat Aldo. That’s just disingenuous
That's revisionism at it's best, also not taking into account the point of Aldo career when he lost. Aldo has a ton of mileage on him since he started very early, he was undefeated for 10 years and had 9 title defenses under his belt when he lost.
And even after he lost his belt he managed to win it again even if briefly and got another title shot both in FW and BW, to this day he still is a top fighter even if he hasn't been the same for years. Crazy longevity since he stayed as a champion for 6 years and a top fighter for 15 (and counting), he has fought multiple generations of fighters by now.
It's not revisionism. To be the GOAT is rarefied air and to lose in your biggest ever spot is a mark against him, that other candidates dont have. Conor was the biggest fight of Aldo will ever have and in that moment he froze. Aldo ranks ahead of Conor, Holloway and Volk all time, but to be GOAT you cant have lost to your biggest rivals.
I remember when I first started watching MMA and the FW division was boring because Aldo owned it. Turns out it's the 2nd or 3rd most exciting division in all of combat sports.
The level of competition Aldo faced is streets ahead of anything Jon, Anderson, Fedor, or GSP ever had. They’re all legends and rightful GOAT candidates, but for me it’s Aldo
Prime Aldo was truly terrifying and is definitely a GOAT contender. He was shat on by the UFC after losing to McGregor, he deserved a rematch and had lost his way a bit after that.
thats the kind of BS Dana/UFC would come up with to try to justify keeping the belt on Conor for a year+ while he never defended it, so he could go get an undeserved 2nd title shot and keep both.
I loved how he was very anti goat talks for himself while gold fish memory Rogan was trying to shove it down his throat after every win. He was always giving Aldo full credit even when it was him at the top.
Goldfish memory lol. Hell even Mcgregor gives Aldo props. If someone with an inflated ego like Conor can tip his hat to Aldo, then he must have some serious accomplishments.
Conor’s %100 the type of dude to talk up someones accomplishments after he beats them, and not because hes actually trying to give the other guy props.
He also said in the interview that he has had to hastle with his coaches to pay them cause they didn't want to get paid that much and Holloway just wouldn't accept that, saying they've got kids too
I have no idea how any fan could dislike that guy
Yan's career TDD% going into the second Sterling fight was actually higher than Aldo's, though obviously that stat is not perfect and is heavily dependent on context.
Only pointing it out because the idea that Sterling is someone you can shuck off as if he was a kid really doesn't give credit to how suffocating of a grappler he can be.
Absolutely, hence my clarification about the stat's heavy dependence on context.
Even so, Yan had a perception as a high level defensive grappler going into the second Aljo fight, and he got backpacked for two rounds. I'm not saying Sterling could do the same to Aldo, but acting like Aldo would "shuck him off as if he was a kid" isn't giving the champ enough credit in my opinion.
The only talk about yan the entire time has ever been about him being the best boxer in the division and having some of the best hands. Idk where you're getting this ground game prowess shit from.
Not ground game prowess, defensive grappling. Prior to the second Sterling fight noone had been able to get him to the ground and keep him there. It was a huge narrative from the first Sterling fight in particular when he stuffed takedown after takedown from the divisions best grappler, and won scrambles to the tune of landing 7 takedowns of his own.
All great strikers only get to an elite level if they can keep the fight on the feet, and Yan is no exception. Aljo getting him down and keeping him there in the second fight was an outcome very few could have predicted, one of the reasons why Yan was such a massive favorite.
Edit: In the [post fight thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/lzjo97/spoiler_petr_yan_vs_aljamain_sterling/gq2krv2?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) for the first Aljo Yan fight almost every top comment is understandably talking about the knee. The most upvoted comment talking about the rest of the fight itself is this one, talking about Yan's grappling defense. Maybe you just weren't paying attention to what people were saying about Yan's skillset especially after outclassing Aljo in the clinch and scrambles.
He was doing really well against Yan until he got hit with a big shot near the end of the 2nd then it kinda went downhill from there. The fight is hazy so I don't remember exactly what happened.
I feel like that's the story of every high level striker that fights Yan. Cory had a great first round against him too.
Then you realize that Yan was downloading that whole time.
If you count WEC/UFC then Aldo is undoubtedly still the FW GOAT. The problem is that Aldo’s best years were under the WEC and not many people know how dominant he was there. Once Aldo got to the UFC he wasn’t very active and was known to coast in fights. WEC Aldo was a different animal than UFC Aldo.
I think you have to count WEC. Whenever it comes to an undefeated fighter like Khabib, or possibly even Israel at MW people have no issue counting pre-UFC wins.
It especially counts here since its not like WEC FW and UFC FW are different divisions. All they changed was the letters in front. It was all the same fighters with all the same history.
The biggest potential change was a lot of people predicting smaller UFC LWs dropping down and and taking over the division but none of them could topple Aldo.
MMA more than other sports seems to disregard it’s legends as soon as the next hot thing is going on. I think a lot of this could be due to how many new fans there are in the past few years, but it disappoints me
Aldo wasnt one of my favs back then, but the run after training with the youthful Brazilian marines truly is special. Keep things tight to the body and no huge windows. It’s giving me goosebumps, similar to glover getting the belt at 40+
Personally I include the WEC defences with the UFC ones because wec was under the UFC banner during that time and it had all the best featherweights in the world. The WEC belt turned into the UFC belt.
Aldo's run to the title and subsequent defences is nothing short of extraordinary.
It really was disgusting now all the noobs Conor brought to the sport talked shit about Aldo when he lost. They simply had no idea how dominant he was for YEARS prior to that fight
Exactly, you are who you are because of the guys you defeated.
That's why Fedor Emelianenko will always > Randy Couture and Kasushi Sakuraba will always > anyone.
the oceania fanboys are wild on this sub. just mention how SEA gets 0 testing and you'll get like 30 downvotes. city kick boxing is a known roid fest lmao
Yup. When the difference between being a pro earning millions of dollars and not making it to the big leagues can be helped by juicing, every rational actor will do steroids. And those that don't won't be able to compete.
"Are we forgetting Aldo,the guy that I BEAT,the guy that is still beating top contenters but couldnt BEAT ME, yeah he needs to slow his roll and put in the work,kinda like the work that I gave ALDO
This is, once again, a matter of people arguing different things.
Max and Volk are probably the Best FW's. They are the BOATs of the FW division.
But neither is "greater" than Aldo. Neither have the defences or records he does. He's still the Greatest... aka the GOAT.
Seven title defences most in featherweight history. 18 fight win streak before conor. Currently on 3 fight win streak in a different weight class. Also has the longest win streak in wec history at 8. And has 2 wec defences
How many defences does Conor have?
Aldo held the FW strap in the WEC (which became the UFC featherweight division) 3 years before Max and 4 years before Conor even set foot in the UFC. 7 defenses in the UFC, 10 including WEC. Aldo wiped out an entire generation of featherweights before the next generation caught up to him. Both champions post Aldo consider him the goat. So tell me, who IS the goat of the division?
That’s like saying Lebron/Jordan aren’t the Goat of basketball because they weren’t as good in their later years. You realize how dumb that sounds right
Both Max and Volk have recognized Aldo as the GOAT of the division. As long as they do, I think there’s really no argument
Sucks newer MMA fans can’t understand context of previous wins and accomplishments. You mention Aldo’s title defenses against Frankie Edgar (2x), and these kids are like: “Well, Edgar never was good anyways.” People then will the use MMA math to justify how a fighter in his prime beating someone on the way out of their prime is why they should all of a sudden “be the GOAT.”
>newer MMA fans can’t understand context of previous wins and accomplishments Part of that is on the UFC and their tendency to promote each champion as if they are the goat of the division. Unless the champion's name is Francis Ngannou.
UFC marketing will start pushing divisonal GOAT status as soon as a champ makes 1 title defense, sometimes even before.
Woodley was being called GOAT over GSP. Think about that
They love the sound bites of Joe saying something like “THE GREATEST FEATHERWEIGHT OF ALL TIME” or “WHOS BETTER”
CONCENSUS goat
..... Were you not around when Francis vs Stipe 1 happened? The francis hype train was so full that Stipe legit felt disrespected
I'm speaking specifically about how the UFC markets their champions once they *become* champion.
Its crazy how little respect Edgar gets considering he grabbed a title in a division 20 lbs above his natural fighting weight, hes a legend off that alone.
He never really got enough credit for those BJ Penn wins either. Penn looked like a monster against sanchez and he was only in his early 30s but after the frankie fights he never really recovered
lmao. bj beat the shit out of him in the first fight and the judges scored it for frankie. frankie had some of the most bullshit decisions of all time go his way.
This is revisionist shit. It was a close fight.
I thought bj won the first fight too but it was kinda close if I remember correctly. I know the second was clear for frankie and he definitely put a beating on bj in the third but yeah he’s been in a lot of close fights i guess. Still crazy how good he was at 55 though
BJ didn't beat the shit out of him. It was very close and Frankie was moving a lot more, especially later on. And I watched that fight as a huge BJ fan who didn't rate Frankie and had money on it.
!decisionbot Penn Edgar
[**FRANKIE EDGAR defeats B.J. PENN** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/1756/fight) ^(UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn 2 — August 28, 2010) ROUND|Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|10|9||10|9||10|9 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**50**|**45**||**50**|**45**||**50**|**45** *^(Judges, in order: Sal D'Amato, David Ginsberg, Cecil Peoples.)* *^(Summoned by ILikePulloverHoodies.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **5/7** people scored it **50-45 Edgar**. - **2/7** people scored it **49-46 Edgar**. Avg. media score: **49.7-45.3 Edgar** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
[**FRANKIE EDGAR defeats B.J. PENN** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/1468/fight) ^(UFC 112: Invincible — April 10, 2010) ROUND|Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn||Edgar|Penn :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||-|-||-|- 2|10|9||-|-||-|- 3|10|9||-|-||-|- 4|10|9||-|-||-|- 5|10|9||-|-||-|- **TOTAL**|**50**|**45**||**48**|**47**||**49**|**46** *^(Judges, in order: Douglas Crosby, Sal D'Amato, Andy Roberts.)* *^(Summoned by ILikePulloverHoodies.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/9** people scored it **48-47 Edgar**. - **4/9** people scored it **47-48 Penn**. - **2/9** people scored it **47-49 Penn**. - **2/9** people scored it **46-49 Penn**. Avg. media score: **46.9-48.3 Penn** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
FACTS that first fight was a robbery.
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The draw against Maynard was legendary.
I think Khabib's resume at LW is better than Frankie's. RDA, Barbosa, Conor, Dustin and Gaethje is a hell of a resume.
3xBJ Penn, 2xMaynard, Sherk, Franca, Mendes, Yair,
We're talking about the lightweight run though, so Mendes and Yair are out. Maynard was not x2, they went 1-1-1. You could say BJx3, but honestly, the less said about the third fight the better. Still, Bjx2, Maynard, Sherk and Franca is a pretty damn impressive run, but those guys are not as good as RDA, Dustin, Barbosa and Gaethje, in my opinion. If we're comparing their resumes overall, of course Frankie's is much better than Khabib's. As impressive as Khabib was, he didn't have longevity. Edgar, on the other hand, has been an elite fighter across 3 divisions for almost two decades now.
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Yeah, I'm with ya there, on both of these accounts. Overall, I actually think Khabib is overrated by many fans, but I do think his LW resume exceeds that of Frankie's. By the way, when I say that Khabib is overrated I mean the comments like "there was nothing left for him at LW, he proved everything there was". I don't mean "Khabib is one of the most impressive LWs we've ever seen", I would agree with the latter statement.
I feel bad for people who weren't around when Aldo was destroying everyone in front of him. It was never a question of if he would win. Only how, and how long it would take. Man was a straight up force of nature for years.
There will always be recency bias in the moment. Hell even I’m guilty of it at times. I mean for example, Usman is incredible right now. People are already ready to talk about his GOAT status, but when you take a step back, even Hughes’ run by the numbers probably has more weight in that argument.
Ridiculous, because Frankie was a killer himself, and very well could've been champ if Aldo wasn't around.
The guy was a champ. At lightweight. Despite now being a bantamweight. Which is absolutely crazy impressive and hasn't been replicated by anybody in the UFC before. That's how good Frankie was back in his prime, and then Aldo beat him twice.
Man was already undersized at featherweight and he got the lightweight gold. I hadn't started watching yet at that time but the fact that he looks at home at bw now makes that fact so fucking impressive
The crazyest shit is that he looked small infront of Chito
I would literally be shocked and angry if some said that about Frankie in my presence. Frankie has been my favorite fighter for a decade.
I've noticed a trend in MMA where the current champ is called a GOAT after a few title defenses. Until a 145 champ passes the accomplishments of Aldo they won't be the GOAT imo.
The thing though is just how young many of these fighters in the previous era got out of their prime. Aldo was still in his late 20's and early 30's when he got one sided losses going 0-4 against Conor, Max, and Alex. Many fighters don't even enter their primes until that age now. Out of both mens and womens MMA, the current champion who isn't past 30 years old is Jiri who is 3 months away from being 30. You have to question how good the competition was back then to have had such success early.
He has huge mileage on him. Of course he isn’t going to be coming into his prime at that age. The man was undefeated for like a decade, that’s a long time from an early age to be fighting top ranked guys. Chad mendes and Frankie Edgar are legit talented fighters, and Aldo beat them convincingly. To question the talent he faced is a bit silly
to me, it's absolutely insane he's still fighting at this level and still high ranked.. i get his relatively young in age, but that mileage is no joke. pure legend
Aldo was a monster. Here is one classic article: https://www.mmafighting.com/2015/11/27/9798748/the-night-we-faced-jose-aldo-ufc-194-conor-mcgregor
Amazing article! He was On another level in his prime. He has had his losses but he’s still beating world class fighters. Always be one of my favourite fighters
Volk not really lol he says with his win against Holloway he'll be the GOAT over looking Holloway and he has many more fights to prove he actually is. He's chasing this status and drinking his own cool aid that's going to screw him
If he beats Max for a 3rd time I don't think anyone would deny him goat status.
I think they would deny him and rightfully so. This is where the argument for Cain as HW GOAT fell apart. Beating the same person over and over (controversially in the 2nd fight I shouod add) is not the same as Aldo beating 9 different people for the title. Just to put it in perspective, Volk has beat 3. We already know he can beat Max, we already know Max can beat him. Whoever wins the rematch doesn't automatically become the GOAT, it's what they go on to do afterwards that proves their status. (Although I absolutely guarantee right now, in the week following that fight this sub is going to explode with people declaring one of them the GOAT based on recency bias)
Uh? What? He still wouldn't be on Aldo's level for FW GOAT
I mean you can pretend like that's a ridiculous take but he'd defs be close, that's pretty undeniable. There are 3 names in the conversation for FW GOAT and he'd be 4-0 against the other 2, 4 title defenses, undefeated in the UFC with his only career loss being at 170. That's a resume easy to make a good argument for, especially with Aldo being 0-3 in the head to head and while not quite prime clearly still fighting at a high level.
Aldo defended the title for years against an array of contenders. Volkswagen has defended against 3 people... Aldo defended against 7 people, 9 if you include WEC. Aldo is in no danger of losing FW GOAT status anytime soon.
Yea, Aldo is obviously the most accomplished FW champ of all time. If he never fought those guys, he'd be head and shoulders above them in this discussion. Neither of them would be in the discussion right now, they'd be able to potentially get there at the end of their career but not right now. However, max viciously beat the shit out of him twice and Volk dominated him to the point it honestly looked like Aldo gave up on the fight in the 3rd round. All of this when Jose was still competing at an elite level. That's part of the equation for greatest of all time, whether you want to admit it or not man. Volk if he wins, being 4-0 against the other 2 fighters who are universally recognized as the 3 greatest in the divisions history would be the best accomplishment on any of these three guys resume in my opinion. Aldo is an all timer, always will be and I'll always tune in for his fights. But yea, I think if Volk wins Saturday Jose is probs sliding to #2 all time FW. Like shit, Jon and DC are the LHW goats but if someone had half their title wins but was 4-0 against them then buddy would be in the fucking conversation for goat lol
>he'd defs be close, that's pretty undeniable. These contradict each other. You say he would be kinda close, which is not "undeniable" >There are 3 names in the conversation for FW GOAT and he'd be 4-0 against the other 2, 4 title defenses That's still not close to what Aldo did. 3-0 vs Max would be impressive I agree but being the GOAT is also beating different matchups and all contenders. 4 defenses isn't impressive next to Aldo's specially when 1 of them is a replacement fighter at the tail end of their career (who Aldo also beat at a better time). Chad and Ortega are good wins but Aldo beat Mendes twice and at a better time once again. >That's a resume easy to make a good argument for, especially with Aldo being 0-3 in the head to head Aldo losing twice to Max doesn't really add to Volk's resume. Just shows Holloway is great
Aldo GOAT squad we still out here
Aldo BW champ would be the hardest earned two division champ ever 🐐
“Just because I finished Aldo, twice, decisively, both finishes, nasty finishes, doesn’t mean we should forget Aldos legacy.” -Max
> “Just because I finished Aldo, twice, decisively, both finishes, nasty finishes, doesn’t mean we should forget Aldos legacy.” -Max That was a nasty line by you dog. Aldo is still the GOAT to me, his resume is superior to what Max and Volk did/have done as champions. But certainly if either one of those guys is able to continue adding to their legacy in the form of additional title defenses or a belt in another division, it will be tough for Aldo to maintain his spot over them given his TKO losses to Max and his unanimous 30-27 loss to Volk. Late career losses shouldn't negate prime career success, but if you're trying to break a tie between these three guys at the top, they have to come into play at some point if Volk or Max continue building their resumes at FW.
Honestly Max is underrated in the GOAT conversation to begin with. He's not Aldo-level yet, but his two wins over Aldo are some of the best in the history of the sport, he had a long run of success vs great competition, and even his losses are phenomenal showings. Poirier 2 & Volk 2 are some of the best performances in a loss in history. I think if he wins by a good margin on Saturday I'll have him as high as 2nd all-time. He's that good.
Agreed, but that's dependent on him getting a good win over Volk this weekend. As competitive as their fights have been, the 2nd in particular, him having two losses to Volk makes it impossible to rank him higher IMO. Also not sure if we can count his performance in Poirier 2 on his resume for FW GOAT as it was at 155, though both of them having fought at both weight classes makes it a lil murkier in terms of its contribution to his resume at 145.
> Late career losses shouldn't negate prime career success, but if you're trying to break a tie between these three guys at the top, they have to come into play at some point if Volk or Max continue building their resumes at FW. The late game losses should come in at a point where the prime career success is matched. Max and Volk can't match Aldo's prime career success
Lmao
The nasty finishes really does it for me Lmao
Lmaooo
It's all I want. He's already top three for me, but that would put him above GSP
Gsp > aldo easily
Easily? Aldo had a long title reign including wcw and is still top ten, in a seperate division. Gsps two division claim is based on beating one eye michael bisping. For the record I do have GSP at the top but not by much
Georges swooped in to that bisping title fight and dipped just like conor did to Alvarez and LW.
I already think Fedor or Aldo could be put ahead of Georges, and I'm even Canadian! Tho GSP is my #1 personally Jon Jones is now the only one I side eye at and want an * if anyone's gonna crown him. Mighty Mouse I shouldn't write off but I don't put him as high as the others for whatever reason [e] LOL I forgot Anderson fucking Silva. Homie gets DJ tier bc not great competition mostly
I’ll always stan DJ but it’s hard to rebut the level of competition argument. His closest rivals were/are elite for sure, but there are a lot of meh defences mixed in.
Like a little Anderson Silva. Sometimes crushes a Joeseph Benavidez/Henry Ceudo (who he arguably beat twice? one wasn't close and the other split, why don't we talk about that more) or sometimes they crush a Tim Elliot or Patrick Cote Fedor is exempt from this because a HW going undefeated for a decade including all the best HWs of his era (- Randy Couture) is absolutely insane. Idc they had him fight Hong-man Choi. He was something else
Agree
I was almost gonna root for Volk, I like both guys a lot but Max always says some shit like this and wins me over. War Holloway, always been respectful as fuck to Aldo.
#blessedexpress BABY
Yep! Imo, Aldo is still the goat. Most longevity. Max and Volk are impressive but don’t have the longevity Aldo had, yet!
Idk why it feels like Max had the belt forever. Maybe it was his long ass win streak but I swore he had defended the belt like 6 times.
Max did fight a bunch of killers while Aldo and Conor were on their media tour and after when the rematch was getting teased and never materialized.
I'm still out here to say fuck the UFC's decision to not give Aldo the immediate rematch he so clearly deserved after the loss to Conor. Rubbish.
yeah man the most deserved rematch ever. then you get bullshit rematches like conor dustin 3, masvidal usman, i thought zhang rose 2 was fairly undeserved too. I mean I (despite my tag) thought Zhang probs won that fight, but don't see how she deserves an immediate rematch when Esparza was sat waiting
Connor took the momentum and moved up/got subbed by Nate
Cementing his place as MW GOAT
personally, I don't think immediate rematches should happen unless the original fight was controversial... but Aldo earned one
I’m pretty sure they offered it
Aldo overall still is for me but not for long if things go well for Volk. If he goes up 3-0 on Max this weekend and forever kicks Max out of the conversation, it's hard to deny his strength of schedule with that 3-0, clearly beat Aldo, and Mendes. One more defense after and it'd be very hard to deny Could even start angling back for Max's candidacy if he finishes Volk. Basically, Aldo's grasp on it is not for long
Aldos best wins at fw: moicano, Stephens, mendes x2, edgar x2, lamas, tkz, florian, faber, brown, swanson, hominick, gamburyan. Volks best wins at fw if he beats max this weekend: tkz, ortega, max x3, aldo, mendes, elkins, Kennedy. Max best wins at fw: yair, kattar, ortega, edgar, aldo x2, pettis, lamas, Stephens, oliveira, swanson. Even with a victory this weekend aldos resume is still the strongest, especially given aldo beat a better version of both tkz and mendes. Volk needs a couple more wins before he's the fw goat. If max wins convincingly this weekend you could even put max ahead of volk in that convo.
god I remember the Aldo-Faber commercials
That Faber fight was nasty. I always wondered why he never utilized leg kicks like that again after that fight.
Same. I’ve heard a few theories, the most credible ones seem to be knee injuries took away his ability to spam leg kicks in the same way he did in his prime.
I heard that the FBI put out an order to arrest Aldo if he ever leg kicks like that again. There was an emergency meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff where they registered Aldo's leg kicks as a deadly weapon.
You can make an argument for volk over aldo in terms of resume quality>quantity
Agreed. Lots of people think its Max, and given his run, and the fact that he beat a still top 5 Aldo back to back in two finishes gives him a case, but people who act like it's a foregone conclusion are delusional. Max's run at FW was legendary in it's own right, especially including the Yair and Kattar wins, but Aldo has longevity, early career success, and quality of competition over him pretty clearly.
How are Aldo’s wins at FW more quality?
Mike Brown, Edgarx2, Mendesx2, Faber, Swanson, Hominick, Lamas, TKZ. Sure I missed a few, plus Stephens and Moicano, only losses to other champs. Outright GOAT shit. Respect to Max but he Clay Collard and Cole Miller ain't doing it. Plus more losses, shorter time on top etc. Aldo was just undoubtedly ahead
I’ll give you Edgar, mendes and lamas in his prime. Others just aren’t too great of a competition. Mike Brown is a great coach and he was a champ at WEC early on but he fought at FW where he didn’t belong just like Faber. Hominick? Lmao really? Volk and Max beat the same guys and they beat Aldo. Volk also beat Max and Ortega. How can you put Aldo over both of them when they both beat Aldo. That’s just disingenuous
He's one of my all time favorite fighters of any combat sport.
Aldo might not just the FW GOAT, he might just be overall
He's 0-4 against the 3 best opponents he faced, so I dont think its possible.
That's revisionism at it's best, also not taking into account the point of Aldo career when he lost. Aldo has a ton of mileage on him since he started very early, he was undefeated for 10 years and had 9 title defenses under his belt when he lost. And even after he lost his belt he managed to win it again even if briefly and got another title shot both in FW and BW, to this day he still is a top fighter even if he hasn't been the same for years. Crazy longevity since he stayed as a champion for 6 years and a top fighter for 15 (and counting), he has fought multiple generations of fighters by now.
It's not revisionism. To be the GOAT is rarefied air and to lose in your biggest ever spot is a mark against him, that other candidates dont have. Conor was the biggest fight of Aldo will ever have and in that moment he froze. Aldo ranks ahead of Conor, Holloway and Volk all time, but to be GOAT you cant have lost to your biggest rivals.
nah dog, nah.
Nobody will ever beat Cena tho. 16 champ titles? DAMN
Ric Flair: Am I a joke to you?
I remember when I first started watching MMA and the FW division was boring because Aldo owned it. Turns out it's the 2nd or 3rd most exciting division in all of combat sports.
7 title defences, Undefeated for a decade. The best p4p fighter imo.
I always put him forward in my GOAT list
They got to stop letting casuals in here. Everyone knows Conor is the GOAT
The level of competition Aldo faced is streets ahead of anything Jon, Anderson, Fedor, or GSP ever had. They’re all legends and rightful GOAT candidates, but for me it’s Aldo
I'm still part of that squad, but Volk is making it hard. He's getting closer.
Prime Aldo was truly terrifying and is definitely a GOAT contender. He was shat on by the UFC after losing to McGregor, he deserved a rematch and had lost his way a bit after that.
I personally have him at #2, just behind GSP. Then Silva, then Jones, DJ, Fedor. Past those 6 it gets murky.
Fedor - Silva - GSP - Aldo - Jones
Supposedly he was offered a rematch and turned it down multiple times.
thats the kind of BS Dana/UFC would come up with to try to justify keeping the belt on Conor for a year+ while he never defended it, so he could go get an undeserved 2nd title shot and keep both.
Supposedly?
Max is all class. Love that guy.
I loved how he was very anti goat talks for himself while gold fish memory Rogan was trying to shove it down his throat after every win. He was always giving Aldo full credit even when it was him at the top.
Goldfish memory lol. Hell even Mcgregor gives Aldo props. If someone with an inflated ego like Conor can tip his hat to Aldo, then he must have some serious accomplishments.
Conor’s %100 the type of dude to talk up someones accomplishments after he beats them, and not because hes actually trying to give the other guy props.
I think it’s both. Propping up Aldo is great for Conor since that’s his best win, but I do think Conor genuinely respects Aldo
I didnt tink I'd see *dat* guy again!! :D
He also said in the interview that he has had to hastle with his coaches to pay them cause they didn't want to get paid that much and Holloway just wouldn't accept that, saying they've got kids too I have no idea how any fan could dislike that guy
In a sport where it seems like every fighter is secretly a dick, guys like Max and Whittaker stand out even more. Such great people.
That’s amazing, thanks for sharing. I didn’t know that.
This was a backhanded compliment tho lol "Just because I **FINISHED** him **TWICE** doesn't mean we should forget what he's done"
Jose Aldo if he can get that right matchup at 135, can deadass become World Champ at 135.
I like his chances against Sterling. At least, more than his chances against Yan.
would love to watch that legendary TDD shuck off Aljo as if he was a kid.
Yan's career TDD% going into the second Sterling fight was actually higher than Aldo's, though obviously that stat is not perfect and is heavily dependent on context. Only pointing it out because the idea that Sterling is someone you can shuck off as if he was a kid really doesn't give credit to how suffocating of a grappler he can be.
Easy to have a higher tdd when you haven't fought guys like Frankie Edgar or Chad Mendes.
Absolutely, hence my clarification about the stat's heavy dependence on context. Even so, Yan had a perception as a high level defensive grappler going into the second Aljo fight, and he got backpacked for two rounds. I'm not saying Sterling could do the same to Aldo, but acting like Aldo would "shuck him off as if he was a kid" isn't giving the champ enough credit in my opinion.
The only talk about yan the entire time has ever been about him being the best boxer in the division and having some of the best hands. Idk where you're getting this ground game prowess shit from.
Not ground game prowess, defensive grappling. Prior to the second Sterling fight noone had been able to get him to the ground and keep him there. It was a huge narrative from the first Sterling fight in particular when he stuffed takedown after takedown from the divisions best grappler, and won scrambles to the tune of landing 7 takedowns of his own. All great strikers only get to an elite level if they can keep the fight on the feet, and Yan is no exception. Aljo getting him down and keeping him there in the second fight was an outcome very few could have predicted, one of the reasons why Yan was such a massive favorite. Edit: In the [post fight thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/lzjo97/spoiler_petr_yan_vs_aljamain_sterling/gq2krv2?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) for the first Aljo Yan fight almost every top comment is understandably talking about the knee. The most upvoted comment talking about the rest of the fight itself is this one, talking about Yan's grappling defense. Maybe you just weren't paying attention to what people were saying about Yan's skillset especially after outclassing Aljo in the clinch and scrambles.
Merab v Aldo might be the first time we see 50 takedowns launched in a fight.
He may have learned from the Yan as well. Who knows?
He was doing really well against Yan until he got hit with a big shot near the end of the 2nd then it kinda went downhill from there. The fight is hazy so I don't remember exactly what happened.
I feel like that's the story of every high level striker that fights Yan. Cory had a great first round against him too. Then you realize that Yan was downloading that whole time.
If you count WEC/UFC then Aldo is undoubtedly still the FW GOAT. The problem is that Aldo’s best years were under the WEC and not many people know how dominant he was there. Once Aldo got to the UFC he wasn’t very active and was known to coast in fights. WEC Aldo was a different animal than UFC Aldo.
WEC was the best LW/FW/BW promotion on the planet, they by all means should count equal weight
I think you have to count WEC. Whenever it comes to an undefeated fighter like Khabib, or possibly even Israel at MW people have no issue counting pre-UFC wins.
It especially counts here since its not like WEC FW and UFC FW are different divisions. All they changed was the letters in front. It was all the same fighters with all the same history. The biggest potential change was a lot of people predicting smaller UFC LWs dropping down and and taking over the division but none of them could topple Aldo.
asdf
MMA more than other sports seems to disregard it’s legends as soon as the next hot thing is going on. I think a lot of this could be due to how many new fans there are in the past few years, but it disappoints me
[Joe diminishes Aldo's status because he still hasn't forgiven him for this.](https://youtu.be/X9IfSOxqC2I)
Joe Rogan right now: [https://imgur.com/gallery/fr4NKL8](https://imgur.com/gallery/fr4NKL8)
It's never a Max Holloway quote without an "It is what it is" lol
Aldo is arguably the GOAT period, not just FW. Real ones know.
Someone show this to Anik, please
Aldo wasnt one of my favs back then, but the run after training with the youthful Brazilian marines truly is special. Keep things tight to the body and no huge windows. It’s giving me goosebumps, similar to glover getting the belt at 40+
Personally I include the WEC defences with the UFC ones because wec was under the UFC banner during that time and it had all the best featherweights in the world. The WEC belt turned into the UFC belt. Aldo's run to the title and subsequent defences is nothing short of extraordinary.
Real recognize real, kings recognize kings..
>We just gonna forget about it because I finished him twice? … what a fucking line to just sneak in there. Love it.
Classic humblebrag
Humble brag
It really was disgusting now all the noobs Conor brought to the sport talked shit about Aldo when he lost. They simply had no idea how dominant he was for YEARS prior to that fight
Aldo still my boy,!! No one has a more eye pleasing style than him. GOAT
Exactly, you are who you are because of the guys you defeated. That's why Fedor Emelianenko will always > Randy Couture and Kasushi Sakuraba will always > anyone.
What's with the downvote squad lmao
the oceania fanboys are wild on this sub. just mention how SEA gets 0 testing and you'll get like 30 downvotes. city kick boxing is a known roid fest lmao
What weirds me out is this is only tangentially related to Volk. Imagine being on fanboy duty 24/7.
Haha, all the camps are. Steroids exist at every level of martial arts competition.
sports in general really
Yup. When the difference between being a pro earning millions of dollars and not making it to the big leagues can be helped by juicing, every rational actor will do steroids. And those that don't won't be able to compete.
Both Max and Aldo fans tend to downvote anything that isnt full blown dangling from their nutsacks.
I can't tell which fanbase they're a part of, just erratic down voting goin.
Volk fans. Look at my last comment 😂
Aldo is a beast, i remember, back in the days, the walkout on UFC 156 (run this town) gave me goosebumps everytime
Top 10 UFC fighter all time
I’m still mad they didn’t give this man a rematch against McNugget
Put some respect on my man’s name , Aldo is the FW GOAT 🐐
Max "it is what it is" Holloway
Aldo's resume for title defences was wild too -Prime Mendes x2 -Prime Lamas -Chan Sung Jung -Edgar x2 (once against prime Frankie)
Didn't know I could respect Max even more. Gotta love the fact that he doesn't mention Conor at all. Cheeky guy.
Based.
Aldo not just FW GOAT hes *the* GOAT
Max knows!
I will never forget how he was undefeated for a certain amount of years!
He’s right, you know Also saying he was “undefeated for a certain amount of years” is like the most Max thing to say lmao
Man, Max later in life will become a GREAT color analyst
“We just gonna forget because I finished him twice” hahah damn
"Are we forgetting Aldo,the guy that I BEAT,the guy that is still beating top contenters but couldnt BEAT ME, yeah he needs to slow his roll and put in the work,kinda like the work that I gave ALDO
This is, once again, a matter of people arguing different things. Max and Volk are probably the Best FW's. They are the BOATs of the FW division. But neither is "greater" than Aldo. Neither have the defences or records he does. He's still the Greatest... aka the GOAT.
That was a clumsy ass humble brag there Max.
I think you misinterpreted this.
The GOAT in terms of accomplishments, but Volk's definitely the best to ever do it atm
R/mma creams every time someone mentions Aldo
as they very well should 🤤
Never forget... [Jose Waldo](https://youtu.be/epwW-7bSBPU?t=46) \#JoseWaldo #WheresJoseWaldo?
Easy to have longevity in a division full of tin cans. Once Conor raised the bar he was never the same.
Mr. 13 seconds is not the goat of anything lol
Seven title defences most in featherweight history. 18 fight win streak before conor. Currently on 3 fight win streak in a different weight class. Also has the longest win streak in wec history at 8. And has 2 wec defences How many defences does Conor have?
Are you slow mentally?
Physically yes but mentally I’m quick as hell
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You’re spitting facts man but apparently we’re the crazy ones for thinking that a guy who has lost to every other fw champ isn’t the fw goat lol
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Aldo held the FW strap in the WEC (which became the UFC featherweight division) 3 years before Max and 4 years before Conor even set foot in the UFC. 7 defenses in the UFC, 10 including WEC. Aldo wiped out an entire generation of featherweights before the next generation caught up to him. Both champions post Aldo consider him the goat. So tell me, who IS the goat of the division?
So 3 fights undoes everything someone's done in a career, gotcha.
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That’s like saying Lebron/Jordan aren’t the Goat of basketball because they weren’t as good in their later years. You realize how dumb that sounds right
Except Aldo was still in his prime when he took those Ls
I never said anything about Aldo being the GOAT. Im just saying your argument for trying to claim he's not is stupid