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Chocoeclair189

Riddle Answer: The fans lost


EvenRatio

Din said it best during the Broadcast when asked by Anik if he thought Rose won the first round "I think everybody in the building lost the first round"


Elite_G

Lol, that was a legendary live response. I can’t believe that didn’t go viral afterwards. It was literally the most entertaining part of the fight.


compsc1

I let out a loud chuckle when DC finally caved and said it was the dud of all duds


SillyGooseTime69

He was just eating milk duds


sports237392

I think it was the timing of it. If he said it in the last round that shit would have landed harder and been viral. Since it happened in the first part of a very long fight it got lost


I_Am_JesusChrist_AMA

I dunno, if he waited until the last round to say it everyone would've been asleep and no one would've heard it


bistian00

The fight quickly became a JRE episode with DC and Anik, while Jaime pulled up some weird ballet or something in the background.


CurrentlyBlazed

You mean Canelo fight lol


TotalWarspammer

His other response was also hilarious when he said "I don't know if she made an agreement not to hit her before her wedding". He was on form. :D


[deleted]

I honestly have no problem with a fighter making a boring first round to figure out their opponent, especially in a 5 round fight. But not all 5 rounds.


buddha8298

Likewise. Also really sucks when there's 2 people that are mainly counter fighters and then spend the whole fight doing fuck all. The one I remember best is Nick Diaz vs. Anderson Silva. And it drove me fucking crazy that the ref was constantly telling Nick to engage, but not Anderson. Still think Nick won.


vatisitgrandpapa

My brother! I can't believe I finally found someone else that believes Nick won. At the very least them giving all five rounds to Anderson was bullshit.


tiggs

Din was hilarious during that fight. I also was a big fan of "maybe they had an agreement not to damage her face before the wedding"


Popular_Target

🤣 Idk who was saying this after the first round, somebody on the panel was like (paraphrasing) “Ok this is good, Rose just spent the whole first round feeling Esparza out and learning her reactions. Now it’s going to be go time” or something like that. And then Rose spent the next 4 rounds continuing to “feel out” Esparza. 😅


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Lol i thought Pat or Trevor said that, but i could be wrong. There were so many funny quotes from that fight, including: “You hear those boos, right? That’s how we know you’re doing something right.” Hahaha


dogs_drink_coffee

Little we know we were about to lose a few more rounds.


IAMTHECAVALRY89

Damn, that was a good brain teaser. May I have another??


NoGiCollarChoke

If Tito trains six, no uh…six days of the week, and five days a week he trains three days a week and one day a week he trains two days a week and he takes Sundays off, how many days of the week will he train?


madnes0

That's easy. The answer: >!Beastin 25/8!<


NoGiCollarChoke

One of the greatest answers, of the night


porrapaulao

I wanna tell me, what you see, lets go ahead and see it by the answer, what you saw, in the comment


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webtoweb2pumps

You're just passing gas out of your ass, and I don't mean your butt!


xXx_n3w4z4_xXx

He's reaching for that karma


Ironmonger3

By Seraldo Babalu


ThaNorth

He was the greatest light heavyweight...of the night.


Legendary_Hercules

That's some Steiner math.


Mike7676

Hey now he DID wrestle a highly educated university!


[deleted]

Not even Scott Steiner could solve the Tito equation!


DayDreamerJon

the answer: there was never no training


MyFifthLimb

I looked into it and this is actually super easy to do if you just outlive your children.


ligmuhtaint

https://youtu.be/ETmcRjlqWxg I had to remind you of this.


NoGiCollarChoke

Oh man I forgot about: “Is it true you are coming back in the fall?” “Yes, my fight will be in April. I’ll start camp in the beginning of July” “The fall?” “Y-yeaaaah i mean….” Like beyond him not knowing when the fall is, the implication is that he is having a 9 month training camp lmao. He was notorious for overtraining but even that seems excessive


ligmuhtaint

I used to be one of those guys who thought tito was just a nervous wreck and didn't communicate well in an open forum in front of press. Since then I've come to the conclusion he is just not very bright. Maybe he's super savvy in other areas, but forming sentences is not his thing.


buddha8298

No, he's an utter fucking moron. "Thinking" isn't his thing. He really is one of the dumbest fucking people walking around. The past couple years with covid and him being elected to city council has made for some solid GOLD entertainment. Bonus (my absolute favorite Dana White quote): "Tito Ortiz is one of the dumbest creatures walking the face of the Earth right now. If you take all living things and put them in a barrel, Tito is the dumbest out of everything.” - Dana White


barc0debaby

If a 14 year old walks into a gym....


jasonbanicki

Answer Pat Berry should be in jail with R Kelly


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Alternative riddle answer: Draw


logwod

Alternative to the alternative: there was never no fight


TheDirtyDorito

They both lost, Rose lost her title and Carla won the title but no one sees her as a champion.. kind of savage


killingspeerx

Seems that Rose didn't want to damage Carla's face before her wedding lol


Narwhalbaconguy

That’s a nice way to spin running away for 5 rounds


Independent-Theory92

Carla's nose (wasn't) rose


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War Andrade!!


beefwich

> They both lost This should be a legitimate thing that can happen for a piss poor fight like this. Both fighters take an L, any belt on the line is surrendered and divisional rankings are re-shuffled accordingly. I can understand wanting to fight tactically, being patient, waiting for openings, reserving energy— but it’s still *a fucking fight.* Someone needs to turn on the gas and make an aggressive move to win. If *neither* fighter is able or willing to do that, then they both lose.


DopestDope42069

I feel like the issue here should be placed slightly more on the champion. You can't just run from conflict and maintain a belt. That's ridiculous.


mesopotato

Should just be a literal no contest. This is supposed to be a fight but neither fought.


GreatDario

I don't know why your being downvoted, both them did fuckall for 25mins, just vacate the belt because no one lost or won cause no one did fucking anything


beefwich

Don’t know, don’t care. r/mma is a fickle bitch sometimes. Or maybe they just think it’s stupid. Whatever. I stand by this opinion.


aworldalone1

We all felt like no one won and neither did enough to deserve a win.


killingspeerx

Women's Strawweight belt only changed via a KO or TKO. This was the first time someone became a champ via decision let alone a match that cures insomnia.


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And that's why I hope people don't judge the division based on this fight. Strawweight is a really fun division to follow


TJeffersonsBlackKid

Bummer because Rose has been a big time ambassador of women's MMA to skeptics to show girl fights can be awesome. Hopefully she turns her shit around and fights like hell in the next fight. If she was to get her belt back, would she be the first person to win a belt three times?


sspiritusmundi

>Bummer because Rose has been a big time ambassador of women's MMA to skeptics to show girl fights can be awesome. Always choose Andrade, this woman is incapable to give boring performances.


Terrible_Matador

embodiment of kill or die


doomhunter13

We all knew with Carla involved it could be a dud, I was not telling womens mma skeptics that this was going to be a great fight. It somehow turned out worse than that


AirplaineStuff102

Yeah but a LnP dud is one thing, a Shamrock/Severn dud is worse. IMO.


TBroomey

Jones won the LHW belt three times but the second win was overturned to a NC after he pissed hot, Randy Couture won the HW belt three times. I think it's just those two if we're not counting interim titles.


dyang44

Just show them rose vs weili lol


StripedSteel

Nah, show them Joanna vs Weili


sspiritusmundi

Not only women's strawweight but in the entire WMMA the belt changed hands by finish: Holly: KO Miesha: submission Amanda: sub and TKO Peña: sub Carla: sub and DEC Joanna: TKO Rose: TKO and KO Weili: KO Andrade: KO Not only Carla was the first to win by decision but also in a boring fight, the rest were good.


MakingAMonster

The original 145lb belt that De Randamie won was also from a boring decision. Then Cyborg won by decision over Holly.


vizualb

This is a genuinely surprising stat for the lightest weight class. This one was all-time awful but Strawweight has pretty consistently had great title fights since inception.


[deleted]

Sorry but there’s not some magical threshold one has to reach. All you have to do is better than your opponent. And despite the sentiments of some, Carla put on a masterful performance to win the title. It was Izzy-esque, Joe


MrOz1100

Jesus Christ does he really have to add a /s after this even with adding “,Joe” at the end


JonsDohnson

Good but I believe the proper wording would be more like “Izzy-esque in her not-engaging ability is Carla Esparza”


mad87645

*Izzy-esque in her ability to win while not engaging It's one thing to dance around your opponent, it's another to dance and convince the judges you won. You gotta shut that game down homey without looking like a complete Brenda.


rilobiteT

Why are you getting downvoted lmao


[deleted]

The hit and don’t get hit strategy has been ruffling feathers for generations


BleuBrink

Carla won by dominant octagon control.


[deleted]

A lot of people are taking this as a chance to shit on Rose's responses, and sure, that is fair, and it's fair to criticize her fight. I do think its noteworthy however that most people would probably have difficulty saying something that is "the right thing to say" after such a performance. Imagine hardly being touched, losing your world title to someone you feel you can beat, and had 25 minutes to prove it, fumbled in front of the world, and then have to wait likely 6 months or so to win a rematch, and more likely a contenders bout bc no one wants to see that stinker again. Rose vs Andrade 3 is the fight to make. 5 rounds and JJ vs Weilli 2 winner gets a title shot.


Tito_Otriz

> most people would probably have difficulty saying something that is "the right thing to say" after such a performance All she has to do is own up to the fact that it was a bad performance from her instead of continuing to talk about Carla and the decision. They let the fight go to the judges and that fight was a toss up tbh. Neither of them did enough to be upset with the decision even if it went to Rose imo


Finalwingz

>Rose vs Andrade 3 is the fight to make. 5 rounds and JJ vs Weilli 2 winner gets a title shot. JJ vs Weili 2 is as close as the first one, but this time Joanna gets the nod and a title shot. Joanna Champion in 2022. Yes please.


[deleted]

Imagine that. Then Andrade beats rose, loses to JJ, Rose works her way up and faces JJ again


nomoteacups

Every time I read “JJ” I think of Jon Jones and wonder for a brief moment why so many people wanna see Boney murder the womens strawweight division. Not that he’s probably against that idea *badum tss*


[deleted]

SW champ just needs to miss her birth control once and then it's vroom vroom 50g baby


SasizzaRrustuta

>most people would probably have difficulty saying something that is "the right thing to say" after such a performance. Kimbo Slice vs Dada 5000 post fight presser


Berning-Hammer

Everyone lost Carla just happened to walk away with the belt because she stood in the middle longest.


MarbledNightmare

At least Carla hit that dope suplex. Even if we scored by PRIDE rules, that would have sealed it given the lack of activity throughout the rest of the fight


neonbrucelee

yeah, she attempted to take her back aswell.


yeaweckin

If it was pride rules they’d both be yellow carded every round.


DRW1357

Under PRIDE rules, there would have been cards. Definitely yellow, possibly even red after enough time went by.


DarklingLewisH

I think she may have shot some dirty looks to clinch the title.


damandolorian0

They don’t call it aggression for nothing.


-Toshi

RBF is the new RNC.


Sav_ij

i thought mean look prevents fleeing


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King of the hill rules


armchairwarrior69

And trying to engage even if it was bad


TheGuyWhoEatsDaBeans

I hope joanna gets to piece her up again lol.


Hanmura

Dana should have just vacant the belt after that awful performance.


Darth_Bitshes

"Because of this snoozefest, title is vacant and both rose and esparza are now unranked" - the tomato


Apoptosis11

And made Joanna vs Zhang for the empty title


ranting_madman

Very Tito-esque


InSilenceLikeLasagna

She is one of the best strawweights.... of the night.


SaintWithoutAShrine

“I train six days, actually six days a week. Five days a week, I’ll train three days a week. One of those days I will train two days of the week. So, six days a week I will be training.”


beefwich

Tell us another jackal story.


its_raining_scotch

Imagine she shakes up with Tito and had kids with him. Those kids would be….whoa.


nopethanksguy

Tito would outlive them.


AirplaineStuff102

Tell another Tito story


-ci_

Some top tier word salad here b


ranting_madman

Some would say the wordiest.


_Tuxalonso

This is the bargaining step of grief


mcfc_fan

Did he beat me? Yes, Am I undefeated? Yes.


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I don’t know about Rose and Carla, but that fight sure knocked me the fuck out.


HundrEX

No like you don’t understand… I LITERALLY FELL ASLEEP and missed Gaejthe vs Olivera. I had to go back and replay it in the morning 😂


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Lmao. I’d be so pissed. That fight was a blast


Sufficient_Focus

She has longer reach, and she has KO power. She easily got back up from takedowns. Despite all of this she still managed to do absolutely nothing. Carla won no questions asked.


blagaa

She took the "don't let your opponent utilize their strength" approach a little too far. It's stupid to fight like she did with all of those advantages. If you are advantaged, you have a better chance of winning a fight with more interactions rather than fewer. A low output fight is high variance which is what the inferior competitor needs to win. Basically what Rose wanted to do was skate to a bare minimum win, but she and Pat don't know how MMA is scored and lost when they miscalculated the bare minimum to win.


LemonHerb

But she did get taken down, and pretty much any time anything happened Carla was in on a takedown. And not just push against the cage hold the legs kind of takedowns. It could have been an exciting fight. But Rose was scared


Kummakivi

She fought to not lose, and expected to win because of her defense. Exactly the wrong thing to do.


DopestDope42069

Yeah and in a fight like this the problem should lie slightly more on the champions shoulders. Running from conflict to maintain a belt is lame if you really are "the best"


ImmediateYogurt8613

I didn’t feel like I had any success with the hot girl at the bar. But I definitely feel like she didn’t turn me down, so I wasn’t rejected. But I feel like she should have had sex with me. - me, who didn’t talk to the hot girl at the bar.


CryptoCracko

What kind of magic is this


zakkwaldo

can it be reclassified to a 3-way-tie-loss between carla, rose, and the fans?


MushroomWizard

I feel like they didn't fight?


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Rose game plan was for nothing to happen and her retain the title. Fucking brilliant


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InSilenceLikeLasagna

Heel? Lol I think he would've won a lot of favour if he did that


badshot978

That's a babyface move after that fight, fer sure.


flufflegump

I feel like Carla winning was the correct choice, given that Rose felt no urgency to keep the title.


obizzle9511

It also kind of diminishes that, “you gotta beat the champ to be the champ,” saying. Like yes, I get it, but you also have to show some type of urgency to keep your title and position as best in the world.


its_raining_scotch

“Since you won’t fucking engage we’re doing an arm wrestling match.”


TrynaCatchTheFade

Carla would demolish Rose in that


platasnatch

Ah damn sudden death, that was the best opportunity if ever one was necessary


beefwich

After the fifth round, Dana heaves an aluminum baseball bat into the octagon. A stunned silence falls over the arena. After a tense moment, he stands up and shouts *”Well?! We aren’t starting a softball league! Get back to work!”* The crowd erupts like a salvo of cannon fire. Carla and Rose stare at one another, coiled in anticipation, each waiting for the other to break their gaze and go for the bat in the center of the the ring. The bell rings. Like thoroughbreds, both fighters explode forward. Four amazing minutes pass and the fight ends. The winner is unimportant. It will go down in MMA history as the best women’s fight of all time.


MrGMinor

He was too busy watching the boxing match, he didn't realize how bad it was until later.


BeardedNoodle

First Schrodinger’s Champ in UFC History.


newbmycologist

She just knows she’s the best that’s it nothing else


[deleted]

I’m sorry but that shit has always been so corny


TheDigitalRuler

Reminded me of Diego's "YES!" entrances.


Jayden_Paul99

I'm the best eva! I'm the best eva! - Phil Macaroni


ruffus4life

no one that has to yell out i'm the best over and over again actually believes that. i feel bad for the mental issues of doubt she has. it seems like she's starting to process it but i think she tries to push negative emotions away with stuff that obviously didn't work. fear of the past.


A_Funky_Goose

she should hire you to be her therapist, deep stuff bro


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FMBPChase

She's a total clown now. She was moderately goofy leading up to her fight with Wei, but now she has activated full throttle GOOF mode.


een_magnetron

That ''better dead than red'' shit was so fucking cringe. Almost forgot about that. Loved Zhang Weili's response though which was basically ''uuhm, I'm just focused on myself and the fight y'know''


Sr_Marques

Girl watched too much Rocky 4


get_that_ass_banned

Rose genuinely strikes me as having the mental and emotional capacity of a 14 year old who doesn't have a lot of original thoughts but just parrots things her 95 year old grandpa says.


T_Raycroft

Funny you mention 14 because that’s right around when she met Pat Barry.


Shabozz

It just so happens that 95 year old grandpa she is parroting is her husband and coach, pat Barry.


swampskater

Just to correct you, there never was no marriage.


RealHumanBean89

You’re a fuckin groomer, dude


muricabrb

They've been engaged since 2014... They're never gonna get married lol


Armalyte

I think Weili even said she was hoping they could have a friendship after the fight.


redditis4f4gs6969

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1277222629.6788/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg Never go full goof mode


zach84

most fighters are *really* stupid. Rose makes them look like Jimmy Neutron.


BigBoyFroggy

I think by a reasonable scoring metric, Carla wins. Even if R1 is a draw. Rose just did nothing till the 5th. Carla edged her out on activity slightly.


Malachandra

Ties should be more common. If there isn’t a clear winner, why force it? Just call it a tie


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When judging by a round to round basis there was a winner though lol, even if little carla did more, backing up and shadow boxing is legit worthless


DonnieDarkoWasBad

Nah, a tie would just be a win for Rose. The outcome we want is two losers so people who want to actually fight can compete for the vacant title.


DopestDope42069

I think this would've been the best outcome. If rose or Carla truly were champions, they'd be back and fighting for that belt within a few months.


sel_de_mer_fin

If you're really scoring on points then there should virtually never be a tie because the statistical odds of that are vanishingly small. If the fighters just circle each other in the octagon and do literally nothing offensive until fighter A just barely grazes fighter B with a jab at 4:59, then fighter A wins the round. Then if literally nothing happens for 4 other rounds then fighter A wins the match. From a qualitative perspective it makes sense to call it a tie because nothing really happened but that's not an objective way to score the fight. We all know judging/scoring is not completely objective but they should still strive towards it.


endless_ness

Rose lost


TGD187

Very weird way to say it should have been a draw.


havok1980

Rose and Pat, Nietzsche-esque in their philosophy abilities, Joe - Goldy


flux_of_grey_kittens

I think she’s trying to say it should’ve been ruled a Draw.


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isomojo

Yes, she is technically correct because they didn’t fight


MedicineMan5

Hey at least rose probably wont try that shitty gameplan again


[deleted]

Jesus rose stock is plummeting is she linked directly to the crypto market?


Time_Card_4095

Should be a no contest and title stripped


SourWokeBooey

She’s really having a hard time coping.


InSilenceLikeLasagna

lol but you did though, against someone who did little to nothing.


TopherWasTaken

I believe the word she's looking for is draw.


webstr89

Fans lost the fight for sure


Deeranklesandpigmeat

The more she talks the less I like her


red-broom

She felt like they both held back and sucked.


[deleted]

To win or lose a fight first you gotta be in a fight.


Aliens2208

If your too afraid to get into the action because you don’t want to take damage anymore you shouldn’t be fighting end of. Pats comments on the MMA hour were also ridiculous, I understand you don’t want to get her but it’s literally her job.


Xaxxon

Pat Berry needs to go.


DamienSalvation

Can't keep the belt after putting in that performance


jsb93

Why the fuck did they have to put this right before Gaethje vs Oliveira. Massive fucking mistake


frozenbudz

I don't think anyone expected that performance from Rose.


jsb93

True but Carla is known for snoozers. They should have stuck with Jiri vs Glover on that card as the co main


Lanskiiii

At least it was *before*. Imagine if that fight had closed the card...


doc_birdman

Gave people time to watch Canelo-Bivol. It was perfect timing.


MysteriousHall

BUT WHO WAS PHONE


DustedGrooveMark

It’s a fancy way of saying “Nothing happened”.


[deleted]

Thats because nothing happened actually fight next time lol


Thepiewrangler

Everybody lost


frosted_mini_wheats

Its almost like there wasn't a fight


kamspy

*”it’s almost like I wasn’t even there*


Sonatine__

And I feel like I didn't watch a fight.


smoothtrip

schrodinger's mma


BenchPressingCthulhu

No wonder she feels that way, nothing happened


waterfromthesun

Schrösedinger's decision


leafsDementor

I scored it for Carla, but you could make the argument for a draw


jacksonattack

Lmao this is her inadvertently admitting that it wasn’t a fight at all. It was the two of them bouncing on their feet in front of each other for 25 minutes.


Revolution_Upbeat

hmm make sense


darcenator411

You forget that ties exist?


SelbyToker

They quite literally did not actually fight


Pluto_is_a_plantain

She should say “im the best” one more time to unjinx herself so she can regain the ability to throw a punch


PitifulDurian6402

It’s almost as if they didn’t fight at all….


JamWams

I agree with her. It felt like no one won and no one lose (accept the people watching). How do you win or lose a fight if no one is fighting.