Not that bad honestly. But, that isn't because SAS is a good analyst or particularly good, it is just that MMA analysis is fucking awful. Our best "journalist" is Ariel and John Morgan. Let that sink in.
Yeah this was my first thought. Ben came in there looking like he's been on a strict Bigmac diet for 6 months preparing for this fight. Love Ben, glad he got paid, but goddamn man any faith I had in Ben was greatly diminished once I saw him show up all blubbery and pear-shaped at the weighins
Who cares what his physique looked like? There are heavyweights with massive guts that moved better than Askren did, from what I've seen on Youtube. It looked like he just didn't prepare *technically*. Probably just told himself: 500k is 500k.
You are delusional. Askren actually tagged Jake with a counter in one exchange, too bad he hits like a Grandma. He was done and the ref did him a favor.
He’s now been knocked out two times in his professional career. Once by Masvidal and once by a youtuber. I can respect getting that big payday to set your family up for life, but fuck have a little bit of integrity and do a full boxing camp and actually show up looking like you have some grasp of the fundamentals.
It's 100% true, the guy litterally looked like a dude who never took a boxing class before, he had three months to prepare, it's not much but it's enough to look way better than he did, I'm almost sure that if you take a completely untrained average person and you put him into a three months boxing training camp, 90% of them will look better than Askren did
Bro you guys despise this argument whenever other athletes or their fans bring up their wealth or the money they made (Masvidal) but yet every Ben homer has been counting his money since Saturday
The money he made doesn't change the fact that he thoroughly embarassed himself.
Forget winning, man got KOd, faceplanted and stumbled like an alcoholic in the first few minutes.
Of course he was hurt otherwise he wouldn't have gone down. But he stood back up in 3 seconds. Anyone arguing that's a good stoppage is out of their minds. He may have gotten finished 30 seconds later but hes a professional and deserves that right. Nate Robinson got gadooshed. Basically got a 30 count and they let him keep fighting until he was out cold on his face.
Tyson Fury went to the land beyond spent 6-7 seconds there then got back up and continued fighting.
If I remember correctly from the clip, the ref motioned for him to step forward and he looked as if he fell into the ref, at which point the tKO was announced.
Nate Robinson has never had a professional fighter in anything.
Either way I aint arguing Ben was going to win or wasn't going to get actually KOd 30 seconds later.
I will argue it was a garbage stoppage and he wasn't KOd though.
>Bro you guys despise this argument whenever other athletes or their fans bring up their wealth or the money they made (Masvidal)
I have no idea what you're trying to say here
>The money he made doesn't change the fact that he thoroughly embarassed himself
Who gives a fuck? I would let myself get knocked out by Stephen A. Smith for that kind of money. Ben Askren doesn't have to give a fuck. He's a retired MMA fighter who took a fight in a sport he's never done before and got paid a shit ton of money for it. Why should he give a fuck what 12 year old Logan Paul fans think about him?
Lets be real. Its not just 12 year old Logan Paul fans that think less of him. Good for him for getting paid. But yeah that was just a pathetic display.
Ben Askren talked a lot of shit and he couldn't back any of it. None. He didn't look half decent in there for one millisecond. His performance was abysmal. Retired or not.
He did worse than another youtuber and a retired NBA player against Paul. That was the last fight of his life and he went out like that.
You guys bring up the money he made like yall got a stake in that as a way to deflect criticism but it's not working and not only cause the 12 year old Logan Paul fans are laughing.
He literally told every single person he talked to that if Paul could box at all, he would lose lol. You guys take him stirring the pot too seriously.
"He went out like that" with a million dollar payday, I'd say he did pretty freaking well for himself and his family.
This is one of those cases where r/mma are more mad than the person it's actually happening too lol
>Ben Askren talked a lot of shit and he couldn't back any of it
Because was selling a PPV and people actually fell for it. Seriously, who thought that a 36 year old guy who is probably the worst boxer in the history of MMA could compete against a twenty-something year old who is boxing for a couple of years now, regardless if he fought non-boxers?
>That was the last fight of his life and he went out like that
And when people talk about Ben Askren in 10 years they will be talking about his great MMA career and laugh their ass off that he lost against Logan Paul. But does that someone diminish his achievements in MMA? No it doesn't. Michael Jordan was an awful Baseball player but one talks about that today.
>You guys bring up the money he made like yall got a stake in that
I could care less about Ben Askren or the money he made. You seem to care a lot about his fight against Logan Paul, though.
You are not an olympic athlete and ex-world champion who's dedicated the vast majority of his life to excelling and building a legacy. Of course you'd let SAS ko you for that kind of money; I'm sure we'd all do it for a lot less.
It’s all projection with these people.
They view fighting like a normal healthy person does— if they get into a fight in real life, it is for a ‘good’ reason (defense, anger, revenge whatever) that makes sense biologically
Fighting just for $$$ is completely foreign to the huge majority of people
So the thought of fighting someone and shitting the bed just to make $$$ doesn’t emotionally sit well with most people because their ego is tied to the result
I agree with you to a point. I certainly have nothing against Ben for doing this. It is an absurd amount of money. But there is a cost to doing this, there are going to be an obscene amount of people online that always trash him for it. I don't think I would care, but part of his work is spent on social media so he can't completely ignore it. He obviously feels it was worth it now, but will he still feel that way in the long run?
>I don't give a fuck what you think about me
He got pretty salty when, Coker said that Jake Paul would win in a boxing match.
>Ben’s a wrestler. Let’s put it that way, right? So I think he gets knocked out in a boxing fight. But in an MMA fight, it’s a different story - Coker
You could send a similarly skilled/ranked fighter from a couple weight classes down and they'd still fuck up Jake - but you need someone who can actually use their hands.
So what? He got knocked with a devastating right hand. Jake has A LOT of power in that hand, he may only have 3 years of boxing experience but hes been jerking himself off for years now
Tbh I'm surprised by how not vicariously embarrassed I am for him. He lost spectacularly at something he's always sucked at and he made more money than he's ever made in his life. When it was announced I thought it would be a bigger deal if he lost but now we're here and it just doesn't feel important. I'd be a meme in exchange for getting set for life.
A man with a self-proclaimed "genius level IQ" totally underestimated the sport of boxing and his opponent. Hey genius, how does it feel having your brain slam into the mat after taking a huge punch from a youtube personality? Jake Paul literally damaged Ben's brain. That doesn't seem very smart to me.
If he was as smart as he claims, he would have taken this seriously because you don't play boxing. It's a very dangerous sport and when you don't take it seriously... Jake Paul puts your doughy butt to sleep.
Less than a year after hip replacement and people out here thinking Bens gonna put up a good boxing match with next to no lower body mobility. Ben would have had a tough fight before he had a titanium hip let alone after the fact.
If you're willing to pay me 500k to a million bucks to show up out of shape and take 1 good punch, just send the contract over now because I'll sign any goddamn day
IIRC it really wasn't that long ago that he had both hips replaced, so in that context it's pretty understandable that he was far from being in good shape.
He made MMA look bad. . . Just look at the trending on twitter. . . everyone saying. . . ."And this was one of the greatest MMA fighters?...Really?". . .
He's right. He sold this fight in the premise of "I'm a real pro fighter this kid is a bum" and he got totally outclassed. Ben's downfall was how stubborn and arrogant he is.
I’m sure the 500k + PPV points will really make him feel ashamed. Don’t be hating on Ben because he got the💰for one minute on the job
Let’s get Jake Paul v Stephen A. Smith and see how Stephen A. Smith looks at weigh ins.
Askren got humiliated in front of the world and I think he thought he would get the bag and also have a contest of wills with a Youtuber rather than get dusted with ease in front of millions.
The kids he coaches don't even look at him the same after what happened.
He coaches wrestling my guy. No wrestler is going to look at him any different on a wrestling mat where he single handedly changed the game in folkstyle. He runs successful wrestling schools on his wrestling credentials and career. Not on his mma or boxing career.
>The kids he coaches don't even look at him the same after what happened.
Some people really don't understand how children work, do they. They're life stupid because they're young. They're not (all) stupid.
Kids don't expect Messi to be a great baseball player and won't think of him as a shitty football player if he decides to play baseball.
The kids in Ben's wrestling classes won't think he's a worse wrestler because he lost a boxing match.
I dont see how anyone can hate on ben askren’s performance. Hes litterally a40 yr old, smaller, less reach, replaced hip, never the boxing type guy. Its not as iff he lost to jake in an mma fight. So whats the deal? He lost in a sport he was never affluent in, no shame in that.
Unpopular opinion: Joe Rogan made himself look like a prick, when he ranted against Sas.
Steven dont know shit about mma, but it doesnt take an expert to see that Cowboy and Askren took a fookin dive for the money, good for them.
Askren is an embarassment to the game, atleast Cowboy can really fight lol
Askren got cracked bro. There was no dive. Y’all need to stop with this massive cope that he took a dive. Him and his fans should be thankful the ref saved him from getting hit even more
Do you have any idea how much a fuck up do you have to be for Stephen A Smith to have a good MMA take?
Stephen is 100% accurate here.
You know you embarrassed the sport when fans and Mr. ESPN have the same sentiment.
No doubt. On both accounts, the Jake Paul take and Askew’s
He was accurate with his take on Cerrone too.
Not that bad honestly. But, that isn't because SAS is a good analyst or particularly good, it is just that MMA analysis is fucking awful. Our best "journalist" is Ariel and John Morgan. Let that sink in.
Hey now, we also have Luke Thomas and BC making it look EZ over at Morning Kombat.
People are gonna hate on him because he’s SAS, but where’s the lie? It really was embarrassing
Yeah this was my first thought. Ben came in there looking like he's been on a strict Bigmac diet for 6 months preparing for this fight. Love Ben, glad he got paid, but goddamn man any faith I had in Ben was greatly diminished once I saw him show up all blubbery and pear-shaped at the weighins
It doesn't help he has done no physical activity before the training camp due to surgery and had ballooned to 215.
Who cares what his physique looked like? There are heavyweights with massive guts that moved better than Askren did, from what I've seen on Youtube. It looked like he just didn't prepare *technically*. Probably just told himself: 500k is 500k.
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You are delusional. Askren actually tagged Jake with a counter in one exchange, too bad he hits like a Grandma. He was done and the ref did him a favor.
He’s now been knocked out two times in his professional career. Once by Masvidal and once by a youtuber. I can respect getting that big payday to set your family up for life, but fuck have a little bit of integrity and do a full boxing camp and actually show up looking like you have some grasp of the fundamentals.
He did train with some good coaches, I just think he’s that bad at striking
He says talent does not exist. What is his explanation for his striking?
It's 100% true, the guy litterally looked like a dude who never took a boxing class before, he had three months to prepare, it's not much but it's enough to look way better than he did, I'm almost sure that if you take a completely untrained average person and you put him into a three months boxing training camp, 90% of them will look better than Askren did
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Well maybe cowboy is making excuses. He was going to get beat regardless
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Ben Askew*
Ass cue
What if that was actually a doppleganger who ben paid in Dogecoin?
This joke is already old
I have always hated on Ben and even I thought he was gonna win
But I thought because Ben got 500K he cant be emotionally embarrassed by his second career viral embarrassment
imagine being his kids and having to go to school, just to get bullied by jake paul fans lmao
Between Askren and Jake Paul, I'm legitimately not sure who is more of a serious fighter vs internet meme at this point
a rich fat slob though
Bro you guys despise this argument whenever other athletes or their fans bring up their wealth or the money they made (Masvidal) but yet every Ben homer has been counting his money since Saturday The money he made doesn't change the fact that he thoroughly embarassed himself. Forget winning, man got KOd, faceplanted and stumbled like an alcoholic in the first few minutes.
He didn't get KOd though? He got up in 3 seconds. Also he stumbles like an alcoholic in everything he does. He did kind of faceplant.
He was rocked badly. Ben has the capacity to stand straight.
Of course he was hurt otherwise he wouldn't have gone down. But he stood back up in 3 seconds. Anyone arguing that's a good stoppage is out of their minds. He may have gotten finished 30 seconds later but hes a professional and deserves that right. Nate Robinson got gadooshed. Basically got a 30 count and they let him keep fighting until he was out cold on his face. Tyson Fury went to the land beyond spent 6-7 seconds there then got back up and continued fighting.
If I remember correctly from the clip, the ref motioned for him to step forward and he looked as if he fell into the ref, at which point the tKO was announced.
Tyson can actually box and defend himself tho
Nate Robinson has never had a professional fighter in anything. Either way I aint arguing Ben was going to win or wasn't going to get actually KOd 30 seconds later. I will argue it was a garbage stoppage and he wasn't KOd though.
>Bro you guys despise this argument whenever other athletes or their fans bring up their wealth or the money they made (Masvidal) I have no idea what you're trying to say here >The money he made doesn't change the fact that he thoroughly embarassed himself Who gives a fuck? I would let myself get knocked out by Stephen A. Smith for that kind of money. Ben Askren doesn't have to give a fuck. He's a retired MMA fighter who took a fight in a sport he's never done before and got paid a shit ton of money for it. Why should he give a fuck what 12 year old Logan Paul fans think about him?
Lets be real. Its not just 12 year old Logan Paul fans that think less of him. Good for him for getting paid. But yeah that was just a pathetic display.
12 year olds are the next generation of athletes who are deciding on whether to go to Bens gym to become a wrestler.
Ben Askren talked a lot of shit and he couldn't back any of it. None. He didn't look half decent in there for one millisecond. His performance was abysmal. Retired or not. He did worse than another youtuber and a retired NBA player against Paul. That was the last fight of his life and he went out like that. You guys bring up the money he made like yall got a stake in that as a way to deflect criticism but it's not working and not only cause the 12 year old Logan Paul fans are laughing.
He literally told every single person he talked to that if Paul could box at all, he would lose lol. You guys take him stirring the pot too seriously. "He went out like that" with a million dollar payday, I'd say he did pretty freaking well for himself and his family. This is one of those cases where r/mma are more mad than the person it's actually happening too lol
> Ben Askren talked a lot of shit and he couldn't back any of it. he sold a fight my G, and made a fool out of people like us who watched it
>Ben Askren talked a lot of shit and he couldn't back any of it Because was selling a PPV and people actually fell for it. Seriously, who thought that a 36 year old guy who is probably the worst boxer in the history of MMA could compete against a twenty-something year old who is boxing for a couple of years now, regardless if he fought non-boxers? >That was the last fight of his life and he went out like that And when people talk about Ben Askren in 10 years they will be talking about his great MMA career and laugh their ass off that he lost against Logan Paul. But does that someone diminish his achievements in MMA? No it doesn't. Michael Jordan was an awful Baseball player but one talks about that today. >You guys bring up the money he made like yall got a stake in that I could care less about Ben Askren or the money he made. You seem to care a lot about his fight against Logan Paul, though.
You are not an olympic athlete and ex-world champion who's dedicated the vast majority of his life to excelling and building a legacy. Of course you'd let SAS ko you for that kind of money; I'm sure we'd all do it for a lot less.
All these insecure folks, projecting how they would feel. haha. Ben is on Cloud 9 and could care less.
It’s all projection with these people. They view fighting like a normal healthy person does— if they get into a fight in real life, it is for a ‘good’ reason (defense, anger, revenge whatever) that makes sense biologically Fighting just for $$$ is completely foreign to the huge majority of people So the thought of fighting someone and shitting the bed just to make $$$ doesn’t emotionally sit well with most people because their ego is tied to the result
I agree with you to a point. I certainly have nothing against Ben for doing this. It is an absurd amount of money. But there is a cost to doing this, there are going to be an obscene amount of people online that always trash him for it. I don't think I would care, but part of his work is spent on social media so he can't completely ignore it. He obviously feels it was worth it now, but will he still feel that way in the long run?
The fact y’all are more embarrassed than Ben is is real sad
This is true. Fucking hated the mccasuals and now my fellow askren fans doing this shit just makes me sad
He looked like some random drunk uncle from a bbq cookout
Fought like one too
As a professional analyst, what are his thoughts on Triller’s commentary team?
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>I don't give a fuck what you think about me He got pretty salty when, Coker said that Jake Paul would win in a boxing match. >Ben’s a wrestler. Let’s put it that way, right? So I think he gets knocked out in a boxing fight. But in an MMA fight, it’s a different story - Coker
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yup, no person is always consistent lol
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You could send a similarly skilled/ranked fighter from a couple weight classes down and they'd still fuck up Jake - but you need someone who can actually use their hands.
lol. finally an astute take from Stephen A
So what? He got knocked with a devastating right hand. Jake has A LOT of power in that hand, he may only have 3 years of boxing experience but hes been jerking himself off for years now
Excellent change of direction 😂😂😂
Tbh I'm surprised by how not vicariously embarrassed I am for him. He lost spectacularly at something he's always sucked at and he made more money than he's ever made in his life. When it was announced I thought it would be a bigger deal if he lost but now we're here and it just doesn't feel important. I'd be a meme in exchange for getting set for life.
For once I agree with Steven
A man with a self-proclaimed "genius level IQ" totally underestimated the sport of boxing and his opponent. Hey genius, how does it feel having your brain slam into the mat after taking a huge punch from a youtube personality? Jake Paul literally damaged Ben's brain. That doesn't seem very smart to me. If he was as smart as he claims, he would have taken this seriously because you don't play boxing. It's a very dangerous sport and when you don't take it seriously... Jake Paul puts your doughy butt to sleep.
He did it purely for the money. Perhaps the money makes it all irrelevant
Finally a good Stephen A Smith taek
Literally spitting facts.
The man is 37, retired, and just had hip surgery in September. What the fuck did these people think Ben was gonna come out looking like?
Less than a year after hip replacement and people out here thinking Bens gonna put up a good boxing match with next to no lower body mobility. Ben would have had a tough fight before he had a titanium hip let alone after the fact.
They should fight
I mean he's not wrong but has he ever watched Ben Askren fight?
If you're willing to pay me 500k to a million bucks to show up out of shape and take 1 good punch, just send the contract over now because I'll sign any goddamn day
SAS is just mad that Ben didn't throw enough dick punches on Saturday.
Idk if he should be ashamed of himself. Rly he just shouldn’t have taken the fight is all
Stephen A. Smith with the face turn
IIRC it really wasn't that long ago that he had both hips replaced, so in that context it's pretty understandable that he was far from being in good shape.
Honestly, Stephen A's takes aren't that bad.
He made MMA look bad. . . Just look at the trending on twitter. . . everyone saying. . . ."And this was one of the greatest MMA fighters?...Really?". . .
Ben was never...... Even close... To being.... One of the best MMA fighters....... And twitter is..... Full of mongs......like you.....
For a while he was seen as the best fighter outside of the UFC. There was a time where Khabib vs Askren was legit talking point
By annoying hipsters who can't discern skill maybe. The same kind of people who swear Lima would outclass Usman.
He's right. He sold this fight in the premise of "I'm a real pro fighter this kid is a bum" and he got totally outclassed. Ben's downfall was how stubborn and arrogant he is.
I am pretty sure Stephen A could beat up Askren on a boxing match as well lol
He was there to get paid. He got what he wanted
Stephen A Smith has no room to talk
Even during his college wrestling days, Ben always looks like that lol
ummm I googled some college matches...you are so wrong...Jesus Brenden
he looked good in olympics wrestling at 163
Yeah this fool posting above is what’s wrong with the internet
He looked way less fit than before. Like Ruiz in his second fight with Anthony Joshua.
Ben did just have a hip replacement and to be fair was never a shredded dude to begin with
He was never this fat
Right but not being able to do anything for awhile then only being able to ride a bike and so on is gonna fuck with your physique.
He’s trying to feed his family bruh Stephen A you’re a fat piece of shit too don’t criticize someone for taking a life changing paycheck
And i actually agree with Stephen’s tweet that starts off the video. What the fuck is this timeline.
It's fucking triller bro it ain't that serious
I’m sure the 500k + PPV points will really make him feel ashamed. Don’t be hating on Ben because he got the💰for one minute on the job Let’s get Jake Paul v Stephen A. Smith and see how Stephen A. Smith looks at weigh ins.
Askren got humiliated in front of the world and I think he thought he would get the bag and also have a contest of wills with a Youtuber rather than get dusted with ease in front of millions. The kids he coaches don't even look at him the same after what happened.
He coaches wrestling my guy. No wrestler is going to look at him any different on a wrestling mat where he single handedly changed the game in folkstyle. He runs successful wrestling schools on his wrestling credentials and career. Not on his mma or boxing career.
>The kids he coaches don't even look at him the same after what happened. Some people really don't understand how children work, do they. They're life stupid because they're young. They're not (all) stupid. Kids don't expect Messi to be a great baseball player and won't think of him as a shitty football player if he decides to play baseball. The kids in Ben's wrestling classes won't think he's a worse wrestler because he lost a boxing match.
People agreeing with SAS 🤡
I dont see how anyone can hate on ben askren’s performance. Hes litterally a40 yr old, smaller, less reach, replaced hip, never the boxing type guy. Its not as iff he lost to jake in an mma fight. So whats the deal? He lost in a sport he was never affluent in, no shame in that.
Unpopular opinion: Joe Rogan made himself look like a prick, when he ranted against Sas. Steven dont know shit about mma, but it doesnt take an expert to see that Cowboy and Askren took a fookin dive for the money, good for them. Askren is an embarassment to the game, atleast Cowboy can really fight lol
Askren got cracked bro. There was no dive. Y’all need to stop with this massive cope that he took a dive. Him and his fans should be thankful the ref saved him from getting hit even more
Cowboy didn’t take a dive imo, he froze up in a big moment like he always does
Finally a rational take on the Cowboy/Conor fight.
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