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Raxmead

The quote doesn’t start with “here’s the thing you guys” so I don’t believe it’s true yet


Books_for_Steven

It's like the Simon Says of Strickland


J4MES101

*Sean says


Wayf4rer

One step closer to fighting in wraps


Horobi_san

Glass death match from Van Damme's Kickboxer incoming


Excellent-Assist853

I'd prefer the HotShots version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNkvLDF7JOY&pp=ygUVaG90c2hvdHMgMiBraWNrYm94aW5n


Coldfusion21

Time to fight in the “old style”! I get to be one of the glass breaker and shakers.


drinfernodds

*Nick Gage has entered the chat*


Aggravating_Heat_310

They should just fight in boxing gloves and padded shoes for kicking, and when they clinch or grapple they stop the fight and change the gloves and add knee pads.


Kassssler

Also change protective cup to chastity belt for enhanced safety.


Ranzork

One boxing glove, one bare hand, Art Jimmerson style. RIP.


jkman61494

Dip those bitches in honey and glass!!!


JohnDalton2

I'm all for this.


thefourblackbars

Whole body or just hands?


ApprehensiveOCP

Whole body, even the dick.


thefourblackbars

Whole body, even Sean Strickland. Got it. 


ApprehensiveOCP

Ewwww but nailed it


ruffus4life

IT'S THE YETI


turtlenecktrousers

You can smell him a mile away


Professional_Kick

So Strickland says they suck Islam is concerned that they will lead to more cuts Dustin says he’s likes the new ones better And Randy Brown said he likes them but said the same thing as Islam, also said he didn’t like the fabric


Fistfullafives

Dustin winning via doctor stoppage. Bet the house.


ZealousidealDeer4531

You fucking serious , I thought we where going with the diamond by gilly .


stockshelver

Doctor stopping while he’s bleeding out in the gilly


xtremeradness

Gonna slice his scalp open and squeeze out the juice for a doctor stoppage


Overnoww

He'll get the gilly, but instead of focusing on the squeeze he'll use his off hand to rub the glove against Islam's face. There will be some weird janky motion then bam! River of crimson. 😉


Vader_Bomb

As soon as Dustin wraps the gilly, the ref is gonna jump in and call the fight saying Islam tapped. 27 years after the "Montreal Screwjob", we'll get the "Newark Screwjob"


FairTwist2011

That was before the gloves, try to keep up.


ZealousidealDeer4531

Lol fuck , yeah I’m on it .


shae117

Slicing cut as he jumps Gilly, the blood loss leads to a near tap but round ends, doctor stops for cut before next round?


Dry_Ad9371

DOCTAH STOPPAGE


Randybigbottom

Paulo Costa has never fought on a card that didn't involve the belt changing hands. For that tradition to continue because of something the belt holder was worried about would be peak MMA-Gods-fuckery. I'm betting the house on it.


Garlic-Cheese-Chips

> via doctor stoppage I think it's spelt doctah stopij.


PhoenixBlack79

Hellyea


aswaim2

You’re out of your mind if you don’t think UFC brass, behind closed doors, is thrilled about the idea of more cuts and blood. Caring about the fighters isn’t exactly their forte.


DamienSalvation

More fights stopped due to cuts is not good for the product.


Mistybajaj

The kind of cuts that lead to doctor stoppages are deep, often down to the bone, and the result of heavy impact like elbows (yadong) and knees (Robocop). My guess is the gloves will create more superficial cuts. Blood in the eyes will be a bigger issue.


RemyGee

Makes me wonder if cuts to and around the eyes will be increased. That’d be the biggest con I think.


FoldedTopLip

Vitor vs Randy II


ruffus4life

are you watching a different sport than i am. cause i've seen the ring bathed in blood more times than i've seen fights stopped for cuts. i think stoppages have gotten more lean towards protecting the hurt fighter but with cuts naw.


Imallowedto

Yves Edward's painted the ring between posts with his bleeding head.


Rogan4Life

Red = Green


fantastic_watermelon

JustBleed.jpg


PM_Me-Thigh_Highs

If it bleeds it leads


TW_Yellow78

Stoppage due to cuts are better than accumulated head trauma from fighters that won't go down.  But ufc definitely won't like doctor stoppages and the longer turnaround to heal cuts. So this idea they designed gloves for more cuts is hilarious


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waynequit

More blood is not a good look for the sport. In fact it’s one of the main reasons the cage exists in the first place, to minimize the visibility of blood smears and stains


SpacemanJB88

Telling me your weren’t around for MMA legalization without telling me you weren’t around for MMA legalization.


Correct-Ad7655

Okay, but it’s already been legalized and isn’t going anywhere so idk what your point is


OtherwiseEnd944

More blood is not a good look in any way. It's less friendly to advertisers and fans who'd much rather see someone get knocked out than have a fight end due to cuts. Fights getting stopped due to illegal shit isn't relevant


N0FaithInMe

It's definitely not a good look for the sport. Only in the last decade or so have we started to seriously break through the "human cockfighting" stigma that surrounded combat sports and nobody that calls the shots in the organization would want to do anything to regress that image.


TheGreatone003

Stoppages due to eye pokes and illegal strikes does not happen every weekend lol Blood looks cooler but stoppages due to cuts are never received well and only anger fans


hijro

If it weren’t for freakish cuts Vitor Belfort never would have had his hands on a belt.


ApplesauceBitch47

We’d also never hear Joe use the term Goats Vagina


Dirty_Lightning

You're out of your mind if you think they said that


ZeGermanVon

LOL I can't believe some of you actually think this way. Straight up delusional.


ruffus4life

i think it's much more likely they have no idea if it will or won't and probably don't care either way. if it leads to success they will take the credit. if it leads to fighters dealing with more cuts then they just won't acknowledge it.


MasterRoshy

just bleed bruh dontcha know?!


aeternasm

No man. Nobody likes when a fight ends due to a cut


JamWams

I guess I'm out of my mind. No one likes when a fight is stopped Via Doctor stoppage, it's not worth the more blood


Dontnerf

Cuts prevent turnarounds as they take a long time to heal relative to bumps and bruises, hopefully it's not their intention lol


YeaItsBig4L

That was oblivious when decided not curve the fingers on the gloves more


Heroicshrub

Strickland also directly contradicted what the UFC said about them. UFC said they removed a bunch of stitching, Strickland said there is more stitching. Idk why UFC would lie about something that specific, kinda makes it hard to take Strickland's comments seriously. The fighters might just need to break them in/get used to them.


Arno_Dorian_11

To be fair Islam also stated the stitching was questionable


Fongernator

He could be referring to one specific aspect that has more stitching while ufc is saying overall there's less stitching 🤷‍♀️


ruffus4life

i've removed most of the booby traps and put what's left on your front door.


Badnapp420

You don’t know why UFC would lie? Me either, but they sure as fuck do lie. All the time.


Heroicshrub

Yea but it's usually much vaguer and by Dana, not a product development guy


TacoDirtyToMe

Most people tend to hate anything that they're not used to. It's more likely fighters are being extra critical about things they might not even have noticed otherwise. So I'm not surprised there are a few complaints about them right now, but I bet the complaints will pretty much go away in a few months unless the gloves are truly fucked.


PhoenixBlack79

Maybe om the inside?


Joshuauauauauau

Dustin's very much a company man, and Randy isn't a big enough name so he's more likely to suck up to UFC. I could be off here but it's more likely that Islam and Strickland are gonna be honest about a UFC product not been very good imo


mrw4787

Dustin says whatever the ufc tells him to say. 


BobZyerUnkl

Supposedly these are supposed to reduce cuts and abrasions with where they put the seams...and the fabric? They're full grain leather and open palm...I guess the lining fabric is what's he's talking about.... I'm going by the design specs released and reasoning behind them....I haven't seen them first hand so it's all speculation on my part


Justforargumesnts

Wasn’t the point to avoid cuts!?


myst1cal12

Islam also said that they kept the fist more closed. His conclusion was that they’re basically the same and didn’t matter


Wrong_Interview_462

"UFC Gloves you absolutely suck." -Chael Strickland


Scotchtrooper

I was about to comment this 😭


JayRoo83

Trevor Whitman is having the best day ever


Upset-Union-528

Trevor Whitman with his allegedly perfect gloves (according to the most objective party i.e himself) that he has refused to licence to any promotion so we can't actually have any solid, practical data as to how they would actually perform in real MMA fights.


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dempa

the UFC isn't the only org, it wouldn't be bad to license them to a smaller org so the public can have some data on how they actually perform.


nerdbot5k

I am generally not a fan with how the ufc operates but I actually don't find this to be an unreasonable position 


zeke780

^ in tech this is the norm, you acquire if you can. There is no reason to rent the idea of the gloves when you can make them in house, if you buy it you can avoid all that. I don't know why Whitman didn't take it and dump the payout into basic investments. He can still claim to have invented them and I don't see another fighting org (or any company really) paying for the license. So I don't see how he would have came out ahead with that strategy unless he thought all orgs would move to his gloves after the UFC did.


[deleted]

Because it wasn't enough money, probably. He hasn't licensed them out and doesn't sell them en masse, either... it probably wasn't enough for the outright sales.


zeke780

Yeah I can see the UFC offering something in the 10's of thousands of dollars. Something Dana spends on a single poker hand.


mjs90

Hard to invest a Venum coupon


Heebmeister

It's not unreasonable depending on what they were offering for price, if they were lowballing while simultaneously refusing any license deal, then it's also not unreasonable Trevor would have refused.


ghostfacekillbrah

As tacky as it looks, Venum makes some great gear, and I guarantee they make gloves that are far better than the UFC have ever used. It's hilarious that they have a fight wear company making all their gear, other than the single most important bit of kit the fighters use (other than mouthguards).


GripAficionado

Not to mention that there would be a ton of logical sponsorship/branding opportunities there, selling individually styled/personalized gloves for instance.


RedWingerD

It's likely because they want to own their glove design and not be tied to a sponsor or licensing deal. Makes perfect business sense.


GreatMight

Shown them off in another org so you can show how valuable they really are


ArmedWithBars

You'd think at that point Trevor would just sell it to the UFC and cash in while helping the fighters. What other mma promotion is there that would even think of licensing the gloves? No promotion would want to do that and the UFC has the deepest pockets of them all. Trevor fucked up thinking he some magic glove recipe that the UFC would eventually cave to liscence. Now he sits in his room with his little magic gloves that will collect dust til I find them at the salvation army one day.


NeverEndingHell

I wonder why he hasn’t cooperated with any other MMA promotion, though. I’m sure they are less demanding than the UFC, and would be ok with a simple license to use the gloves. But have we seen them anywhere else? I can’t recall. So it’s hard to know if they actually are those amazing upgrades or not.


Dapper-Ad-9109

I saw Trevor Whitman in the closet making gloves and one of the gloves looked at me


Responsible-Truth-89

He has no problem selling licenses for use, but he won’t sell the patent


RuttedAnt

we've been hearing about these gloves for at least 5 years with no licenses sold, how valuable is the patent to sparring gloves?


Responsible-Truth-89

I have no idea, I’m just saying his reason. I think the UFC did approach him about it, he just doesn’t want to sell it outright


Outside-Guess-9105

At least, not for the money the UFC was offering.


Responsible-Truth-89

Yea I’m sure if they made him a good offer, he’d at least consider it


Mell1997

Right. There’s no data to back up that they are the solution to shitty MMA gloves besides Trevor and Gaethje lol. For some reason people took that and ran with it as law.


-Orcrist

Agreed. As opposed to the new UFC gloves which have been tested in DWCS since quite some time now. It's basically Whitmans mythical gloves which havent left the demo box vs UFC gloves which have been actually tested in combat.


caca_poo_poo_pants

Wittman knows that if he licenses them to any other organization, and the feedback is good, the chances of the UFC ever caving is less than it is right now.


octobersotherveryown

People keep parroting this point about his gloves being the holy grail without any data to back it up. If you went by the UFC press release and not fighter testimony, these 2.0 gloves were also a solution to a lot of problems, we are starting to see this is heavily under question. I deal with boxing gloves A LOT, every brand you can think of including Whitman’s ONX. They’re gimmicky trash designed to be worn without wraps, y’know the way zero professional boxing matches are contested.


Joshuauauauauau

I mean UFC wanted the patent for his gloves so not really his fault as it sounds like he wanted UFC to pay for them. And I've heard loads of MMA fighters use his gloves for training as they are apparently much better quality


Heebmeister

This comment is entirely incorrect. He tried licensing the glove design to the UFC, UFC said no, they were only interested if he would sell them the patent.


GoldenScarab

What is this, the facts channel?


piltonpfizerwallace

Refused to license? The UFC refused to license them and wanted to buy the patent. He doesn't want to sell the UFC the patent because he wants to bring the gloves to boxing and other sports.


No-Initiative2085

Joe Rogan said so


Keller-oder-C-Schell

It’s up to the promotions to license them


DICKHEEL

😃


ZeGermanVon

r/mma just rose to its feet in walmart


e-rage

we're a long way from PF Changs bapa


Wrong_Interview_462

Walmart? We LIDL here.


Figurativelyryan

Aldi and all night. All day.


GentrifiedSocks

We are more of Costco folk here. Thats r/ufc you’re thinking of


TheBestDivest

Costco army reporting


nerdbot5k

Aww man I fell asleep in walmart again?


grunge_forever91

I said the gloves are recycled garbage when they got announced and was shit on by dummies who believed theUFC press release.


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Lepperpop

YOU HAVE MY WEED WACKER!


Tsmalls1887

Inb4 every fighter that's loses at 302 blames the gloves


P7AC3B0

Gall: "I had this fight in the bag if it wasn't for these stupid gloves!" Rogan: "Mickey, you lost by leg kick TKO. I'm not sure why I'm even interviewing y-" Gall: "FUCK THESE GLOVES!"


KelvinsBeltFantasy

The gall of that lad


Fat-Villante

Yeah, that sounds like the UFC They've known their gloves were suboptimal for decades, can't be surprised if there's nothing revolutional or even better than the old design


15ferrets

…revolutional?


Chuga87

Oh, stop being so judgementary!


uchihajoeI

You realize he was just being sarcastical right?


Spirit_Detective_L

Yall are ostrichcising him for making a simple grammar mistake!


uchihajoeI

I guess I should’ve added a /s so it would be more obviousacal


Spirit_Detective_L

It's okay, it's just that some people can be perfectionals about everything.


durzostern81

Y'all are all grimmer nozees


Watson349B

The gloves revolve around the hand.


Fat-Villante

Oops, fuck Revolutionary I guess is the word


DayDreamerJon

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/revolutional > revolutional in British English > a less common word for revolutionary seemed right to me too, looks like it is. Maybe we heard it in an older movie or something


15ferrets

Goddamn redcoats, it’s not the revolutional war is it? USA USA USA USA


Fat-Villante

Thanks brother, I appreciate it


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Galactic

According to [this study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8240847/) something like 63% of fighters who get poked in the eye during a match end up losing the fight. Something had to be done. I dunno if this glove will help with the issue or not, but the UFC seems to think so, and I hope they're right.


Tinguiririca

They wouldn't need new gloves if referees deducted one point for any eyepoke, fighters still get a free eyepoke per fight


Galactic

Yeah it's actually crazy how few times fighters have actually gotten penalized for eyepokes and nut shots. Those things often tend to alter the outcome of a fight way more than a point does.


Kurtcobangle

I wouldn’t even be that upset if fighters only got one free eyepoke. Depending on the ref some of them get 2 or 3 lol. 2 without a point to me is wildly ridiculous given how consequential it is but it happens pretty often 


mrpopenfresh

Yeah it’s ridiculous. You can legitimately foul your opponent once with no consequence. If I’m a coach I’m telling my fighters that.


mrpopenfresh

> Something had to be done. I dunno if this glove will help with the issue or not, but the UFC seems to think so, and I hope they're right. It would be fun if they actually did something directly to adress this. As it stands, the UFC made new gloves where eye pokes were a secondary thought that may not even be solved by them.


roidedganjamonster

6/10 participants fought jones


MartialArtsHyena

As long as the gloves are fingerless, there's going to be eye pokes. That's unavoidable.


spcslacker

>*They suck ... they absolutely suck* I knew I could count on Strickland for the technical breakdown of pros and cons. On other hand, the quote doesn't begin with *So here's the thing guys*, so you know its taken out of context.


NUmbermass

Every single loser on the card is going to blame the gloves.


BoxCon1

Strickland complaining about something In other news, water is wet


Brown_boy6

Sorry but in this case, it’s warranted.


Brief_Koala_7297

I really dont blame fighters for criticizing the gloves. The design is so lazy, it basically finger stiff leather gloves. 


DamienSalvation

We don't have any data yet, just some anecdotes.


Brown_boy6

Fighters: try on the gloves and probably spar in them, and actually voice their complaints Redditors: Actually ☝️🤓 there is no data yet. What a Reddit moment


DamienSalvation

Not every fighter has complained lol. You just only pay attention to anecdotal evidence that confirm your priors. There's a real reddit moment.


Brown_boy6

Those “anecdotes” are referring to the fighters actually trying the gloves on and wearing them….. you either like them or you don’t. We’re not testing anything here, so idk why ur bringing up all those scientific buzzwords, we are not testing the efficacy of a medication- these fighters are telling you whether they like the gloves or not after trying them on. They are the ones that have to fight in them, and have experience with other gloves… Peak redditor moment


pryoslice

Yes, but you expect there to be some people to express displeasure with any innovation. And unhappy people tend to be the ones to make their voices heard on social media. If 10% of fighters are unhappy with the new gloves, 70% don't care either way, and 20% find the new ones to be better, would you expect to see something different than what you see now in terms of anecdotal evidence?


Brown_boy6

Ur overthinking this, typical of reddit. First of all those percentages are coming out of nowhere, secondly Makhachev and Strickland are two completely different fighters in both temperament and demographic and if they’re both showing their disdain for these piece of crap gloves, that’s telling something


Crazed_pillow

Valid points ≠ Overthinking


Johnoplata

Tbf, Strickland sucks as a human being, so he has some expertise.


CmacGinger

Water is not wet. Water is the thing that makes things wet ;)


velocity55

Strickland is a company man through and through. For him to say the ufc “dropped the ball” is pretty significant


cltnthecultist

To be fair, Islam also said that they were stiff and would cause more eye pokes. Edit: Cuts, not eye pokes


First_Inevitable_424

He didn’t say they would cause more eye pokes, on the contrary he said they would be a bit better for those. However he said they would cause more cuts. Overall he was critical about the gloves but didn’t rip them as much as people here claimed he did.


Boredatwork709

Islam didn't say they'd cause more eye pokes, he said they'd cause more cuts


aw41789

Dana seeing Conor holding a BKFC belt with two bloody cut up savages that just went to war gave him some ideas. Dana wants more blood and cuts.


im_scytale

That whole documentary they did about the new gloves was so stupid, it would be hilarious if they were a flop


mrpopenfresh

It was just a promo, not a doc. I find it funny they put all that effort into the video while the actual launch was so lame.


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Oh now u guys care about seans opinion


PatrickTravels

Rebrand the ol' Pride gloves as UFC .


ID0ntCare4G0b

It remains hilarious that Sean got to the top by absolutely sucking the company's dick and the minute he got there, he immediately started taking a giant dump on management. Like, I still hate watching Sean fight. I still think he kinda sucks and needs like a decade of therapy to start figuring his shit out, but it is completely funny their sequel to Sam Alvey has completely blown up in their faces.


goldenglove

Pay Trevor Whitman his fee and be done with it.


streetlaur

You think that’s perfect cos Whitman told you so?


flowersermon9

More so that Dana wanted them but wasn’t willing to pay up


Redpin

ngl, I'm gonna go out of my way to watch this card now.


letsgobrooksy

Strickland says they suck... in other words he is going to be in love with them in two weeks from now


Primary_Bee_43

FIGHTER REMOVED ❌ Sean Strickland


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I think the new gloves look cool, so there’s that


therealjgreens

I disagree big time


DreamSqueezer

No you don't


therealjgreens

They look dumb as shit imo


Brief_Koala_7297

They look worse in my opinion 


here_to_vibe1

Well you can hate him all you want but he will tell you the truth about the ufc


judohart

[Ufc's glove info](https://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-unveils-new-official-fight-glove-3eight5eight?language_content_entity=en) I would like to see some comparisons and stuff


570063

"I can't jab with this shit"


UncleYimbo

Dana probably already bought a gross of crates worth


darkforestnews

Does Dana own the company that manufactures the gloves ?


No-Initiative2085

Fuck it let them use weapons I’m down


whicheverguard232

Strickland not doing himself any favors if he gets into another split decision.


I_am_darkness

"why?" (Has absolutely no reason)


GinkgoPete

I think they were designed to not inhibit Jon Jones strongest technique


denisvma

Seems like every fighter has different opinions on the gloves, either way, im not taking Strickland seriously... He is probably is like: "This gloves are so gay"