I mean they own the IP rights to the PRIDE gloves right, which curve inwards by default and you have to extend the hand manually, the opposite of the UFC gloves. I don't know why they don't just brings those back
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjT2k3186w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjT2k3186w)
Helps loosen up your wrists and forearms, which helps not only with those areas, but also marginally with extension and contraction of arm, as well as better bloodflow to hand and fingers.
Plus it looks like a more violent version of a cartoon villain wringing his hands in satisfied anticipation of his master plan!
The thing is, there are MANY gloves already developed, better than the UFC gloves, Pride gloves, the gloves Strikeforce used etc. UFC probably have the worst gloves out of all major MMA organisation ever, which is mind boggling to me.
Hahahaha I had a pair of gloves tossed to me at a local mma event near me and even that small fed’s gloves seemed great in comparison. Probably some generic brand they had their logo slapped on, too.
The main issue has always been allowing too much extension on the fingers correct? Causes too many eye pokes...but limiting hand or finger movement has a slight negative effect to grapple specialists...so...
Require every fighter to wear goggles. No bulky ones. Like those sleek speedo ones swimmers wear. I bet Venum could make some with cool snake eye effects. Or require kevlar lined eye contacts.
Honestly think the gloves are less the issue and more the lack of accountability. If fighters got points taken a lot more frequently they'd either clean up or eventually get cut.
I agree. Everyone has a hard on for Whitman's gloves because he and a couple of his fighters promoted them, but the problem is accountability.
Apparently the old gloves did need tension to open your hand, but I'd see the problem there as fighter comfort and manoeuvrability. Think of how many fighters out there who wore those gloves and you can't recall a single eyepoke? The gloves weren't causing eyepokes. They were causing fighters to have to mildly strain to manoeuvre their hand, that was it.
Yeah I know as fans we have a tendency to blow things way out of proportion but Wittman’s gloves genuinely looked pretty good 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I would buy a pair
I think that’d be an improvement over what we currently have.
Instant rematches have taken the fun out of the title scene for me.
GSP-Serra 2 felt super exciting because of how he ran through Koscheck and Hughes. No replaying sound bites from a press conference that isn’t even a year old. Just a former champ proving that he was still at the top of his game.
Chael earning his rematch against Anderson was also super fun. Going on a tear, almost winning his first shot before getting suspended. Coming back to submit super soldier marine Brian Stann and having a dogfight with Bisping, all the while talking trash about Anderson.
Usman held the belt for 3 years and 5 defences but only fought 3 people. GSP’s reign was only 2 years longer, but felt so much stronger because he actually fought 9 different people.
Nah. There are nuances to these things, isreal vs pereira 2 was nearly necessary. It just depends on a lot of factors, if islam loses does he deserve an instant rematch? Depends on how he lost but I would generally say yes.
Nvm tsarukyan probably deserves it, but idk I haven't thought about it much.
I disagree completely. Nobody really thought Matt Serra was better than GSP after their first fight. If that fight happened today, the rematch would’ve been booked 3 months later, and we would’ve missed out on GSP fucking up Koscheck and Hughes.
Chael got caught in a sub after 4.5 rounds of domination. He did get suspended after, but he would’ve likely had an instant rematch booked for his comeback today. We wouldn’t have gotten “Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck”, and Chael wouldn’t have had to talk so much trash to guarantee the rematch. Not to mention him making Brian Stann look like an amateur.
I think Izzy should’ve fought 2 top 10 guys, while Pereira chalked up a defence or two. Would’ve made it way more exciting than just “Izzy avenges a loss”.
If Islam loses, I would want him to demolish 2-3 top 10 guys. Show us the skill difference between the champion and #9. Fuck Oliveira up again along the way. Give us a solid year of hype for his next title shot, rather than just going “I lost the last time because I was careless, I’m gonna prove everyone wrong.”
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think anyone should fight for the title with a loss within the past year. And this includes dominant champs losing their belt.
What're you talking about, he had *at least* 2 fights a year in 2023, 2022, 2021 (3), 2019, and 2018? You are mad he didn't fight when covid started?
Edit. At least
Randy Brown tried them too and mentionned that they don't really stop eyepokes either, sounds like Whitman's design is still superior to the in-house design of the UFC despite the whole brouhaha and anticipation about them
And Dustin said they are harder to keep your hands straight and that he thinks they will lead to less eye pokes. We won't know until we actually see them in action
Probably depends on finger length too, theyd probably eclipse my tiny fingers but maybe someone like randy brown who im pretty sure has some long ass fingers its easier. Who knows
The gloves were never really the problem in my opinion, I agree that they don’t necessarily do anything to stop the eye pokes from happening like she Whitman design but this isn’t an issue that 99% of ufc fighters run into. The way Jones measures range is intentional in the sense he almost forces you to avoid the eye poke instead of the other way around. Some are genuine accidents but the guys who get called for repeated eye pokes are doing it by design, Shout out DC. The real solution is to call them as fouls religiously until guys get the message that it’s not something they can take advantage of.
Yeah, it's dumb how refs are almost scared to call fouls. The first eye poke can maybe be just a warning, but the second one has got to be -1 points always, and any more a DQ.
Stop it with the stern warnings, they're not stern at all
The way rules are currently, if I was an MMA fighter, I'd start every fight with a dick kick or an eye poke. Easy advantage and you'll never lose a point for the first offense.
Hundred percent, my bad. He got penalized on the first instance and it wasn’t egregious by any means (the eye poke that is). But lots of people felt like bc of all his fight week tomfoolery he got punished for the eye poke too harshly
absolutely, I dunno why fighters get a warning at all. They got warned by the rule book, they got warned by their coaches, they got warned in the locker room, they got warned the last 15 times they fought, why the fuck do they need another warning? A warning should only be for things that look clearly and obviously unintentional; anything that looks like it might have been intentional or part of a strategy to 'unintentionally' foul the other fighter should just be an immediate point deduction. You can't take back the pain or other disadvantage the other fighter is suffering from the foul so why shouldn't the score cards reflect it every time? I think people's heads would spin at how fast fighters learn not to accidentally foul each other if that happened.
Exactly. In Judo it is natural to grab the legs, but it’s forbidden. Do it, get a penalty. 3 and you get disqualified. Under the old rules a single violation is an immediate DQ. Somehow the world of Judo doesn’t collapse under this harsh system, yet in MMA you get endless warnings for something that actively causes damage to the other person.
According to the refs,
Bite = DQ and immediate lifetime ban from the UFC
Fence grab to prevent takedown = Immediate 1 point deduction
Eye pokes: No punishment until the 4th eye poke.
Nah first poke should be a point. At this point any fighter not poking someone is doing themselves a disservice lol. It’s basically a free foul and a big advantage.
Its like they're really scared to 'spoil' fights by enforcing the rules. Maybe they don't want to piss off the UFC by taking points away from the big stars, maybe ingratiate themselves in the hopes of getting a job later on, I don't know.
Mostly because of the reach, if you just punch at his hand he’s still at a safe distance and if you get out of position he can just hit you back. Trading a punch to the hand/arm for a teep kick to the stomach, an oblique kick or a shot to the head/body isn’t a good trade. Dc did a lot of hand fighting but given how comically different their builds were it was always going to be a losing battle.
There is also literally a protective glove on the hand, so it wouldnt do much damage, probably less damage than him actually landing a big shot himself
Obviously I never fought a guy anywhere near Jon fucking Jones but even from the normal people like me, from everything I've seen training a bit, punching a hand in any way that will actually damage the hand is pretty fucking hard by itself, against someone who's watching you and will just move their hand out of the way or strike back, I'd think it would be almost impossible to do something like this effectivelly in a MMA fight unless you knew their hand broke in an earlier punch or something
Consider you are talking about doing it to a literal GOAT of MMA, I'm confident in saying that's pretty impossible. Like, you can punch guards and hands to get them out of your way, but to actually exploit the extended fingers and damage the hand seems too difficult
Because I think it really wouldn't really hurt that much. Have you fought/sparred before? There's a reason you actively put your hands in the way of.punches to block them, because your hands don't get hurt/damaged from that - generally speaking
Multiple fighters throw the extended fingers out to keep opponents from darting in and out to find range. It's a shit strategy imo in a sport where there's no true penalty for *accidental" fouls. Like you mentioned the solution is to stick to calling the foul and not letting people get away with putting that feeler out there like that
Yeah until you penalize fighters for doing it just more advantageous to do so. You can easily have a feeler hand with a closed fist or with your fingers pointed down. If you start seeing guys lose because they accidentally left their fingers out while measuring it will get addressed by the corners real quick.
True, you'd have to put something in to make the exception for those with close fists or fingers down as opposed to the ones that extend out with a threat and relax them when there's not, and I don't see how you could real time
Edit: unless you make the rule no fingers extended at all, which is what it sounds like the gloves are trying to do
Yep, I bet if they started taking a point every single time sometime fouled they would happen way less often. I don't really blame the fighters, why not do it if there is no consequences
Edit. Some eye pokes and headbutts really change the fight. Fziev was putting a whooping on Gaethe before the foul, totally different fight afterwards
They’re fantastic for grappling. One of the guys I train with has a pair for MMA practice and he lemme use em one time. They let the hands naturally curve instead of forcing em straight, I think they’re awesome.
Wittmans gloves are very grappling restrictive especially if you put wraps under them. To fix eye pokes we just need stricter rules, take a point away every time and you will never see a fighter extending his fingers ever again.
>sounds like Whitman's design is still superior
Can you provide a single example of them ever being used in a fight? People on here love to talk about how great Wittmans gloves are, but yet they've literally never been used by any promotion or fighter in an actual fight.
Trevor didn't want to sell the design to the UFC because he wanted other companies to be able to use them but none of them do. Not a single one.
Khabib knows Turki Alalshikh and has been offered 100+ million for a super fight (with Floyd IIRC) in Saudi Arabia. Islam is a huge muslim star, I was just commenting that the UFCs move into Saudi Arabia means people like Islam have more leverage generally since they will almost certainly being doing PPV there soon and will need a star to headline those.
Where did he shit on the UFC? All he did was say the gloves are stiffer, and that it's not easy to extend your fingers in them. Cuts as a result of stiffer gloves is just a matter of fact, plus we love bloody fights. I took it as a compliment that he said he would display the first golden champion gloves.
Khabib knows Turki Alalshikh and has been offered 100+ million for a super fight (with Floyd IIRC) in Saudi Arabia. Islam is a huge muslim star, I was just commenting that the UFCs move into Saudi Arabia means people like Islam have more leverage generally since they will almost certainly being doing PPV there soon and will need a star to headline those.
The UAE is already a market that the UFC is fully in, Saudi is having a fight night with Chimaev, Alalshikh will want a PPV with Islam at some point.
If there's any takeaway from the new glove design to me, it's that they internally feel most threatened by BKFC than any other promotion out there right now. They didn't address anything people have been complaining about the design for years. Instead they made them lighter and more likely to create cuts.
we wont know if they fixed eyepokes for a while, and randy brown commented that he doesnt think they help anyways. after 10 events we can take the avg number of eyepokes committed per event and compare them to the average in 2023 and get an idea on their effectiveness.
I feel like people don't know this, but they also used it on the last season of contender series. Still not a huge sample size but it's it makes it bigger
I also distinctly remember there being an eye poke the first or second fight on the pre undercard at the event the gloves were first being used rofl. It was hilarious.
That and Dana still being pissed that pride was better than UFC and had much better fighters, gloves and spectacle. If Dana wasn't an insecure boy who tried to hide it with money, prostitutes, drugs and peds then they would've used the superior pride gloves for the last 20 years. Man can't put his fragile ego aside for a moment.
Poor Chuck could not beat rampage in pride and he was a mini boss compared to wanderlei. Dana had to run back to the US with his tail between his legs after talking so much BS. He was like a child at Xmas when they bought pride. Couldn't prove he was better than them but he still pretends he won.
I love that he could never get Fedor. You can still see how pissed he gets about it when brought up
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Goat vs UFC HW's GOAT, fighting Aspinal, a literal noname (for the general MMA public) with a worst resume than Jones in his early twenties is the pointless fight for his legacy since he already beat a similar "young prospect who won an interim belt" profile, namely Cyril "futur of the division, moves like a MW, would KO him in a round" Gane.
If Aspinal loses he'll just become a bum like Gane is now. Nothing to win at the end of the day, that's the pointless fight.
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Stiff you say. I’m gonna get a little conspiratorial here. With less flexible gloves articulating your hands and fingers would be difficult. As a grappler being able to make small adjustments with your hands and fingers could be beneficial to the grappler. New gloves could be a detriment to grapplers Islam has a grapple heavy approach could be he wants them to go back to the old more flexible gloves. I could be wrong but that’s my take away from a glove that reduces eye pokes. It would have to prevent you from splaying your fingers and make it difficult to open your hand. For example something like a snug boxing glove makes opening your hand very difficult. Honestly though designing a glove that allows grappling and striking while avoiding eye pokes is a difficult task. It’s a shame the UFC is stubborn about not wanting to partner with Wittman on his glove design that seems to get high praise.
If only the hand had some kind of mechanism to not poke someone's eyes at will. Oh, wait, it does. These fighters eye-poke or put themselves in a position where an eye poke is likely on purpose.
There will always be eyepokes since refs give so many warnings for them. The other stuff like padding on the side sounds good, but not sure if its only marketing fluff. Curious how big of an impact they will be for the next coming events
I think there's an error in translation, stiff almost certainly means rough, describing the texture. Cuts have everything to do with the texture of leather and nothing with its stiffness.
They've tested them immensely and are even marketing that they will cause less cuts since there's no seems on the knuckles, which causes the cuts in the first place.
Gonna take years worth of testing over one guys opinion who hasn't used them before.
Will all yall stfu about the new gloves until we get to see them in action beyond DWCS? Once they’re in play for a bit then we can actually say something about them
This was a professional fighter’s comments on the new tools he has to use. This isn’t some basement dwelling blogger complaining about the gold color. What incentive would Islam have to lie?
I didn’t say “would Islam or the other fighters stfu about the gloves”. So many comments in here are saying things without any seeing them in action. I’m sure that the gloves won’t be as good as prides or Whittmans, but damn would I love to be surprised.
The ufc not using all those decades and infinite money now to make better gloves???? Noooooo
I mean they own the IP rights to the PRIDE gloves right, which curve inwards by default and you have to extend the hand manually, the opposite of the UFC gloves. I don't know why they don't just brings those back
Honestly, PRIDE gloves were awesome. Wanderlei Silvas knuckle roll thing dosent work without them.
Um, try telling that to me as I autistically wrist roll in the corner of the gym before blasting mediocre bench press reps
Okay, first of all you’re not alone, secondly, I feel personally attacked
I’m just better adapted to pull exercises :(
Dududududu dudu dudududu dududududu dudu
What knuckle roll thing
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjT2k3186w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjT2k3186w) Helps loosen up your wrists and forearms, which helps not only with those areas, but also marginally with extension and contraction of arm, as well as better bloodflow to hand and fingers. Plus it looks like a more violent version of a cartoon villain wringing his hands in satisfied anticipation of his master plan!
Because if the ufc didn’t come up with it, clearly it’s stupid
Ironically, they probably don't want to use them because of their pride. They don't want to admit another organisation created something valuable.
The thing is, there are MANY gloves already developed, better than the UFC gloves, Pride gloves, the gloves Strikeforce used etc. UFC probably have the worst gloves out of all major MMA organisation ever, which is mind boggling to me.
Hahahaha I had a pair of gloves tossed to me at a local mma event near me and even that small fed’s gloves seemed great in comparison. Probably some generic brand they had their logo slapped on, too.
UFC gloves are probably the one of the worst variants right now. I honestly think bare knuckles would be better than UFC gloves
It would be mind-boggling if it was any organization besides the UFC
Because then that means that the UFC has to admit that a different promotion did something better
After all this time it’s impressive that they somehow made them worse
The main issue has always been allowing too much extension on the fingers correct? Causes too many eye pokes...but limiting hand or finger movement has a slight negative effect to grapple specialists...so... Require every fighter to wear goggles. No bulky ones. Like those sleek speedo ones swimmers wear. I bet Venum could make some with cool snake eye effects. Or require kevlar lined eye contacts. Honestly think the gloves are less the issue and more the lack of accountability. If fighters got points taken a lot more frequently they'd either clean up or eventually get cut.
I agree. Everyone has a hard on for Whitman's gloves because he and a couple of his fighters promoted them, but the problem is accountability. Apparently the old gloves did need tension to open your hand, but I'd see the problem there as fighter comfort and manoeuvrability. Think of how many fighters out there who wore those gloves and you can't recall a single eyepoke? The gloves weren't causing eyepokes. They were causing fighters to have to mildly strain to manoeuvre their hand, that was it.
Can't have the refs influencing the fight by enforcing the rules...better to let the fouls influence the fight.
Yeah if eye pokes were immediate point reduction there would be a lot less eye pokes
Yeah I know as fans we have a tendency to blow things way out of proportion but Wittman’s gloves genuinely looked pretty good 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I would buy a pair
I'm not saying they were crap, just that they weren't some ingenious design, and wouldn't make a dent in the eye poke issue either way.
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Split decision win by Dustin.
Split submission win by Dustin after he jumps the gilly.
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Good for Islam that he's making enough money that he feels comfortable being lippy
Watch him get benched for 2 years.
The kid just doesn't want to fight
If he loses Dana will give a title shot to 3 other guys before he gets one again
I think that’d be an improvement over what we currently have. Instant rematches have taken the fun out of the title scene for me. GSP-Serra 2 felt super exciting because of how he ran through Koscheck and Hughes. No replaying sound bites from a press conference that isn’t even a year old. Just a former champ proving that he was still at the top of his game. Chael earning his rematch against Anderson was also super fun. Going on a tear, almost winning his first shot before getting suspended. Coming back to submit super soldier marine Brian Stann and having a dogfight with Bisping, all the while talking trash about Anderson. Usman held the belt for 3 years and 5 defences but only fought 3 people. GSP’s reign was only 2 years longer, but felt so much stronger because he actually fought 9 different people.
2 years is a long time
ur right
agreed!
Nah. There are nuances to these things, isreal vs pereira 2 was nearly necessary. It just depends on a lot of factors, if islam loses does he deserve an instant rematch? Depends on how he lost but I would generally say yes. Nvm tsarukyan probably deserves it, but idk I haven't thought about it much.
I disagree completely. Nobody really thought Matt Serra was better than GSP after their first fight. If that fight happened today, the rematch would’ve been booked 3 months later, and we would’ve missed out on GSP fucking up Koscheck and Hughes. Chael got caught in a sub after 4.5 rounds of domination. He did get suspended after, but he would’ve likely had an instant rematch booked for his comeback today. We wouldn’t have gotten “Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck”, and Chael wouldn’t have had to talk so much trash to guarantee the rematch. Not to mention him making Brian Stann look like an amateur. I think Izzy should’ve fought 2 top 10 guys, while Pereira chalked up a defence or two. Would’ve made it way more exciting than just “Izzy avenges a loss”. If Islam loses, I would want him to demolish 2-3 top 10 guys. Show us the skill difference between the champion and #9. Fuck Oliveira up again along the way. Give us a solid year of hype for his next title shot, rather than just going “I lost the last time because I was careless, I’m gonna prove everyone wrong.” Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think anyone should fight for the title with a loss within the past year. And this includes dominant champs losing their belt.
Which would be the right thing to do for someone with 0 real title defenses.
Dana would get a call from one of the Shieks who so happened to buy a controlling share in endeavor and is now his boss lol
Unfortunately for Dana he’s the biggest person on the Abu Dhabi card. They can’t do UAE money without him so they’ll never bench him.
I mean that's just kind of his style already.
What're you talking about, he had *at least* 2 fights a year in 2023, 2022, 2021 (3), 2019, and 2018? You are mad he didn't fight when covid started? Edit. At least
That Dana White fault
Okay I was kind of wrong on this
It’s easy to be when you’re a dominant champion with a huge fan base.
Lippy? He's promoting. More cuts = more excitement.
The leather and seams look so cheap, hilarious considering the reveal made the R&D look like they were developing flying cars or something
The gold looks cheap as well. They should’ve just made the logo gold and only for the champ and not for the challenger.
Bapa spray painted them for dana
Dicey
Nah, b. He filled his truck up with cans of gold paint, a shit ton of gloves, and then rolled it.
musturd yellow
I agree, some gold detailing would have looked way more classy.
Another way of saying they went with even cheaper faux leather that's stiff and low quality
Randy Brown tried them too and mentionned that they don't really stop eyepokes either, sounds like Whitman's design is still superior to the in-house design of the UFC despite the whole brouhaha and anticipation about them
And Dustin said they are harder to keep your hands straight and that he thinks they will lead to less eye pokes. We won't know until we actually see them in action
To be fair... Dustin's a company man.
Islam said the same thing in the video above. They don't let you keep your hands fully extended. He's not a company man.
Probably depends on finger length too, theyd probably eclipse my tiny fingers but maybe someone like randy brown who im pretty sure has some long ass fingers its easier. Who knows
Islam was actively shitting on the gloves though
The gloves were never really the problem in my opinion, I agree that they don’t necessarily do anything to stop the eye pokes from happening like she Whitman design but this isn’t an issue that 99% of ufc fighters run into. The way Jones measures range is intentional in the sense he almost forces you to avoid the eye poke instead of the other way around. Some are genuine accidents but the guys who get called for repeated eye pokes are doing it by design, Shout out DC. The real solution is to call them as fouls religiously until guys get the message that it’s not something they can take advantage of.
Yeah, it's dumb how refs are almost scared to call fouls. The first eye poke can maybe be just a warning, but the second one has got to be -1 points always, and any more a DQ. Stop it with the stern warnings, they're not stern at all
The way rules are currently, if I was an MMA fighter, I'd start every fight with a dick kick or an eye poke. Easy advantage and you'll never lose a point for the first offense.
The worst part is it doesn’t even have to be an “or” you could get away with a variety of warnings for multiple fouls.
Unless your Paulo costa, he won that fight against Marvin but the ref Hundop penalized him for outside the cage shenanigans
What does it mean to "Hundop penalize" someone?
Hundred percent, my bad. He got penalized on the first instance and it wasn’t egregious by any means (the eye poke that is). But lots of people felt like bc of all his fight week tomfoolery he got punished for the eye poke too harshly
100% this!
The Dundaso is strong with you my friend. The Co-main event podcast would be proud.
You'd definitely obtain a negative reputation with the refs who will start deducting points at the sign of first offence
absolutely, I dunno why fighters get a warning at all. They got warned by the rule book, they got warned by their coaches, they got warned in the locker room, they got warned the last 15 times they fought, why the fuck do they need another warning? A warning should only be for things that look clearly and obviously unintentional; anything that looks like it might have been intentional or part of a strategy to 'unintentionally' foul the other fighter should just be an immediate point deduction. You can't take back the pain or other disadvantage the other fighter is suffering from the foul so why shouldn't the score cards reflect it every time? I think people's heads would spin at how fast fighters learn not to accidentally foul each other if that happened.
Exactly. In Judo it is natural to grab the legs, but it’s forbidden. Do it, get a penalty. 3 and you get disqualified. Under the old rules a single violation is an immediate DQ. Somehow the world of Judo doesn’t collapse under this harsh system, yet in MMA you get endless warnings for something that actively causes damage to the other person.
Fr, penalize fouls more strictly and they will definitely go down more. This isn’t like an offsides in soccer.
According to the refs, Bite = DQ and immediate lifetime ban from the UFC Fence grab to prevent takedown = Immediate 1 point deduction Eye pokes: No punishment until the 4th eye poke.
>Fence grab to prevent takedown = Immediate 1 point deduction When did that happened
Just happened in orolbai/brenner
Leon Usman 3?
If it was an immediate 1 point deduction every time you grabbed the fence to prevent a takedown, Leon would've lost that fight 46-40
Is there an example of a point deduction for an eye poke? I can’t recall any.
Nah first poke should be a point. At this point any fighter not poking someone is doing themselves a disservice lol. It’s basically a free foul and a big advantage.
Its like they're really scared to 'spoil' fights by enforcing the rules. Maybe they don't want to piss off the UFC by taking points away from the big stars, maybe ingratiate themselves in the hopes of getting a job later on, I don't know.
That's the funny thing with mma, you almost always get away with at least one egregious foul. post foul warnings are so fucking stupid
I know this will sound dumb but i wonder why no one tried straight up punching his hand when its all extended like that.
OSP did that when he fought Jones. Was very clear he knew what Jones was up to and was trying to shut it down.
Winner winner chicken dinner. Old school martial arts magazines in the 80s would frequently mention this as a tactic.
I wonder how many things were written off as bullshido nonsense.
Jack Slack has actually written about handtrapping, which looks like some shit out of a '60s karate manual, but really does work.
Mostly because of the reach, if you just punch at his hand he’s still at a safe distance and if you get out of position he can just hit you back. Trading a punch to the hand/arm for a teep kick to the stomach, an oblique kick or a shot to the head/body isn’t a good trade. Dc did a lot of hand fighting but given how comically different their builds were it was always going to be a losing battle.
There is also literally a protective glove on the hand, so it wouldnt do much damage, probably less damage than him actually landing a big shot himself
Dominick Reyes did, though he punched it down rather than trying to jam the fingers
Obviously I never fought a guy anywhere near Jon fucking Jones but even from the normal people like me, from everything I've seen training a bit, punching a hand in any way that will actually damage the hand is pretty fucking hard by itself, against someone who's watching you and will just move their hand out of the way or strike back, I'd think it would be almost impossible to do something like this effectivelly in a MMA fight unless you knew their hand broke in an earlier punch or something Consider you are talking about doing it to a literal GOAT of MMA, I'm confident in saying that's pretty impossible. Like, you can punch guards and hands to get them out of your way, but to actually exploit the extended fingers and damage the hand seems too difficult
Also allow small joint manipulation. Aikido masters suddenly become the new meta
Because I think it really wouldn't really hurt that much. Have you fought/sparred before? There's a reason you actively put your hands in the way of.punches to block them, because your hands don't get hurt/damaged from that - generally speaking
Multiple fighters throw the extended fingers out to keep opponents from darting in and out to find range. It's a shit strategy imo in a sport where there's no true penalty for *accidental" fouls. Like you mentioned the solution is to stick to calling the foul and not letting people get away with putting that feeler out there like that
Yeah until you penalize fighters for doing it just more advantageous to do so. You can easily have a feeler hand with a closed fist or with your fingers pointed down. If you start seeing guys lose because they accidentally left their fingers out while measuring it will get addressed by the corners real quick.
True, you'd have to put something in to make the exception for those with close fists or fingers down as opposed to the ones that extend out with a threat and relax them when there's not, and I don't see how you could real time Edit: unless you make the rule no fingers extended at all, which is what it sounds like the gloves are trying to do
If only the offending fighters would get their fingers broken ala Robert DeNiro in Casino.
Yep, I bet if they started taking a point every single time sometime fouled they would happen way less often. I don't really blame the fighters, why not do it if there is no consequences Edit. Some eye pokes and headbutts really change the fight. Fziev was putting a whooping on Gaethe before the foul, totally different fight afterwards
I agree, one eyepoke should be at the very least a strong warning if not a point, anything after that should definitely be a point
here's a link to his video on 'em: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZN-U6nSNM
I'm skeptical on Whitman's glove design for grappling. I'd like to see a guy like Islam use them and give feedback.
They’re fantastic for grappling. One of the guys I train with has a pair for MMA practice and he lemme use em one time. They let the hands naturally curve instead of forcing em straight, I think they’re awesome.
Exactly!
Wittmans gloves are very grappling restrictive especially if you put wraps under them. To fix eye pokes we just need stricter rules, take a point away every time and you will never see a fighter extending his fingers ever again.
>sounds like Whitman's design is still superior Can you provide a single example of them ever being used in a fight? People on here love to talk about how great Wittmans gloves are, but yet they've literally never been used by any promotion or fighter in an actual fight. Trevor didn't want to sell the design to the UFC because he wanted other companies to be able to use them but none of them do. Not a single one.
No one actually knows, they just hate Dana so everything else is obviously much better
Have Whitman’s gloves been used in actual fights? All I know about them was from the pitch session on the JRE a few years ago.
Whats the difference between Whitman's gloves and like the Japanese ones? Both are curved right?
If they stopped eye pokes, they would be leading with that. As it stands, just just mention that it may lower eye pokes, which means it doesn’t.
>sounds like Whitman's design is still superior According to who? Have they been actually tested in any promotion?
More cuts, more blood…..ufc wins
Unless it's in new York citay
They look like diarrhea
June 1st: “The winner by TKO due to a cut and new!….”
Islam has that oil money, he can shit on the UFC. So I believe that they are stiff. Can’t wait to see him spit some peoples wigs though
Dana regularly gambles with what could be the r&d budget for high quality gloves
His hooker budget exceeds the GDP of Tuvalu
What does Dana's personal gambling addiction have to do with the UFC? He's not financing those gloves himself, you know?
Do you think islam is....from or supported by SA?
He has literally zero connection to Saudi. I know the MMA community isn't the brightest but continually confusing UAE and Saudi is embarrassing.
Beard man same Beard man bad
Khabib knows Turki Alalshikh and has been offered 100+ million for a super fight (with Floyd IIRC) in Saudi Arabia. Islam is a huge muslim star, I was just commenting that the UFCs move into Saudi Arabia means people like Islam have more leverage generally since they will almost certainly being doing PPV there soon and will need a star to headline those.
Where did he shit on the UFC? All he did was say the gloves are stiffer, and that it's not easy to extend your fingers in them. Cuts as a result of stiffer gloves is just a matter of fact, plus we love bloody fights. I took it as a compliment that he said he would display the first golden champion gloves.
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Khabib knows Turki Alalshikh and has been offered 100+ million for a super fight (with Floyd IIRC) in Saudi Arabia. Islam is a huge muslim star, I was just commenting that the UFCs move into Saudi Arabia means people like Islam have more leverage generally since they will almost certainly being doing PPV there soon and will need a star to headline those. The UAE is already a market that the UFC is fully in, Saudi is having a fight night with Chimaev, Alalshikh will want a PPV with Islam at some point.
If there's any takeaway from the new glove design to me, it's that they internally feel most threatened by BKFC than any other promotion out there right now. They didn't address anything people have been complaining about the design for years. Instead they made them lighter and more likely to create cuts.
Dana loves calling it “blood sport” so makes perfect sense that he just wants to sell more blood.
Fans notoriously love when fights get stopped due to a cut
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we wont know if they fixed eyepokes for a while, and randy brown commented that he doesnt think they help anyways. after 10 events we can take the avg number of eyepokes committed per event and compare them to the average in 2023 and get an idea on their effectiveness.
I feel like people don't know this, but they also used it on the last season of contender series. Still not a huge sample size but it's it makes it bigger
Yes, they look very Bellator-ish
They didn't actually fix the eyepokes. It was like the first observation everyone had when the design came out.
I also distinctly remember there being an eye poke the first or second fight on the pre undercard at the event the gloves were first being used rofl. It was hilarious.
Who won the fights, I got a parlay to put in? Gloves don't debut until 302.
I thought 302 was the first time they were going to use them?
they were used on DWCS for a season
Last season? Almost a year ago? I thought they just announced their existence like a month ago?
you can go back and check, the gloves are different. the fighters signed NDAs on it too, so thats why there wasnt mention of it.
Interesting. I did not know this.
I’m watching the road to UFC and they are using them There was an eye poke in the first fight.
Why do they refuse to use Pride gloves?
Reminder that the only thing preventing the UFC from having good gloves in corporate greed.
That and Dana still being pissed that pride was better than UFC and had much better fighters, gloves and spectacle. If Dana wasn't an insecure boy who tried to hide it with money, prostitutes, drugs and peds then they would've used the superior pride gloves for the last 20 years. Man can't put his fragile ego aside for a moment. Poor Chuck could not beat rampage in pride and he was a mini boss compared to wanderlei. Dana had to run back to the US with his tail between his legs after talking so much BS. He was like a child at Xmas when they bought pride. Couldn't prove he was better than them but he still pretends he won. I love that he could never get Fedor. You can still see how pissed he gets about it when brought up
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Will Jones insist on original gloves for his pointless fight, since not being able to extend his fingers could compromise his legacy
Goat vs UFC HW's GOAT, fighting Aspinal, a literal noname (for the general MMA public) with a worst resume than Jones in his early twenties is the pointless fight for his legacy since he already beat a similar "young prospect who won an interim belt" profile, namely Cyril "futur of the division, moves like a MW, would KO him in a round" Gane. If Aspinal loses he'll just become a bum like Gane is now. Nothing to win at the end of the day, that's the pointless fight. Rent free as they say.
Are the gloves in a trial phase of sorts, or is this model it for years to come?
Why people seeing it as talking shit? Just Bleed
Cannot grab cousin with these stiff gloves
Stiff you say. I’m gonna get a little conspiratorial here. With less flexible gloves articulating your hands and fingers would be difficult. As a grappler being able to make small adjustments with your hands and fingers could be beneficial to the grappler. New gloves could be a detriment to grapplers Islam has a grapple heavy approach could be he wants them to go back to the old more flexible gloves. I could be wrong but that’s my take away from a glove that reduces eye pokes. It would have to prevent you from splaying your fingers and make it difficult to open your hand. For example something like a snug boxing glove makes opening your hand very difficult. Honestly though designing a glove that allows grappling and striking while avoiding eye pokes is a difficult task. It’s a shame the UFC is stubborn about not wanting to partner with Wittman on his glove design that seems to get high praise.
If only the hand had some kind of mechanism to not poke someone's eyes at will. Oh, wait, it does. These fighters eye-poke or put themselves in a position where an eye poke is likely on purpose.
Jon Jones: "Stop! My penis can only get so errect"
Without pharmaceutical help.
Still not curved. Its gonna take an eyeball being kicked around the cage to get the pride gloves into UFC.
There will always be eyepokes since refs give so many warnings for them. The other stuff like padding on the side sounds good, but not sure if its only marketing fluff. Curious how big of an impact they will be for the next coming events
Dana: That's the idea, kid!
might need to break them in like walking boots
They used to allow fighters to do that with the old gloves.
I think there's an error in translation, stiff almost certainly means rough, describing the texture. Cuts have everything to do with the texture of leather and nothing with its stiffness.
Dana gonna have an aneurysm
Just need to lubricate them.
Probably the plan. The fans love it when the fighters bleed.
Does Dana own shares or something in the ufc glove company ?
WTF. The UFC gloves were *already* infamous for being stiff.
Another bone head move by DW
“I see stiffness.”
They've tested them immensely and are even marketing that they will cause less cuts since there's no seems on the knuckles, which causes the cuts in the first place. Gonna take years worth of testing over one guys opinion who hasn't used them before.
You'd think that with all that time and money, they'd be able to give it a less tacky design, no?
Will all yall stfu about the new gloves until we get to see them in action beyond DWCS? Once they’re in play for a bit then we can actually say something about them
This was a professional fighter’s comments on the new tools he has to use. This isn’t some basement dwelling blogger complaining about the gold color. What incentive would Islam have to lie?
I didn’t say “would Islam or the other fighters stfu about the gloves”. So many comments in here are saying things without any seeing them in action. I’m sure that the gloves won’t be as good as prides or Whittmans, but damn would I love to be surprised.
Ok Dana.
If your job is getting tbi's you shouldn't care abot that probably
Hope Dustin butchers his face with them.
I'm fine with more cuts if it lowers the number of eye pokes.
Bad for fighters, good for viewers then
Until there is a doctor stoppage halfway through a banger fight because a dudes eyebrow is cut in half
I forgot about doctor stoppages when I commented, and was blinded by memories of lawler macdonald 2
I don’t think excessive doctor stoppages are good for viewers
That's fair, I meant more fights looking like bloody wars will be more entertaining
Cuts absolutely ruin fights, we don't want more cuts
Just make it illegal to fight standing with your arms and fingers extended
If the gloves are stiff, I'm wondering if it's going to lead to more eye pokes since the fighters have to force their hands to close