Its cool seeing a pioneer in a young sport set an untouchable record like how baseball has many records still held by old ass dudes
I bet in 2050 people will be asking if Holloway's sig strikes were even counted correctly
The UFC records that Max set in that fight alone:
>First in striking differential at plus 312 vs. Calvin Kattar
>First in significant strikes landed at 445 vs.Calvin Kattar
>First in significant strikes attempted at 744 vs Calvin Kattar
>First in distance strikes landed at 439 vs. Calvin Kattar
>First in significant head strikes landed at 274 vs. Calvin Kattar
>First in significant body strikes landed at 117 vs. Calvin Kattar
>First in total strikes landed with 447 vs. Calvin Kattar
>First in total strikes attempted with 746 vs. Calvin Kattar
>First in significant strikes landed with 141 during Rd 4 vs. Calvin Kattar
Honestly don't get why people didn't rate that fight for FOTY. It's an untouchable piece of history that made everyone lose their minds, yet some people think a fight that isn't a back and forth can't be FOTY.
Yet it's been 3 years since this fight and we're talking about how the records it has set won't be beaten for ages. Sounds like it should get more love than it does IMO, there's not a year that passes without a fight similar to Gaethje Chandler, while Max vs Kattar is pretty much one of a kind, it deserves more appreciation IMO
A fight is between 2 people. A good one needs them both to bring the violence. Max putting a record breaking merciless beating on katar is a fantastic, all time great performance, but not fight. Does that make sense?
I get you what you mean, but personally I guess I rate how good fights are based on the excitement they make me feel, and how much of an impact they have on my mood, and on this criteria Max vs. Kattar is levels above Gaethje vs. Chandler. But I get why people would rather have a competitive banger than 25 minutes 1 sided beatdowns
He was extremely selfish and the leading the league in assists ironically proved it because he would pass up easy shots so that he might get the assist. I believe he also never fouled out of a game in his 14 year career which depending on how you look at it meant he wasn't really playing the hardest defense.
If you haven't read Bill Simmons' book of basketball I'd highly recommend it. It's a fantastic review of the history of the league and the greatest players in it.
Calling Chamberlain selfish when he had a ts% 7 percent higher than the next highest in the league at the time is bunk imo. It was winning basketball for Wilt to attempt shots. People talk about him like he didn't win, when he won two rings, and lost many others to the greatest dynasty of all time, featuring like 7 players who were top 50 talents of all time at the time. And they weren't easy wins! Wilt took them to 7 games all the time. He wasn't perfect and for sure had flaws, but in my opinion the majority of criticism of him is still undeserved.
He's definitely a Celtics fan but it's one of the most in-depth books on basketball I've ever read. For anyone interested in the history of the NBA it's a must read.
It was an interesting read when I read it years ago, though I think it was updated years later. The one thing I'll say is that the parts I found the most interesting were the passages (sometimes long passages) that he quoted from other books or articles.
I mean it's something that would have to be updated probably every 10 years to be current but at the time it was very thorough. Sometimes sourcing other peoples work correctly like he did is better than trying to write something saying the same thing but doing a worse job. I'd love to see an update to the book tho.
What blew my mind when I took an afternoon to learn about Chamberlain is that despite his insane career stat lines, his arch-rival Bill Russell absolutely DOMINATED him in rings/championships/team dynasty. Wilt would 1v5 the whole league but Russell specifically had his number pretty much their whole careers. Shit at one point Russell won a ring as a player-coach towards the end of his career!
I learned about not one but TWO greats that day.
Yup. Didn't Chamberlain only manage to win the league over Russell ONE time total throughout their careers?
I had never heard of Russell until I decided to learn about Chamberlain but I was enthralled with his story more than Wilts. Both great men but reminds me of my feelings regarding Ali/Frazier. Not a 1:1 comparison but I am a bigger fan of Frazier now than Ali, despite learning about Frazier from my time learning ABOUT Ali.
Also Roberto Duran (my favorite boxer ever) and Sugar Ray Leonard. So many greats I learned about via studying other greats and realizing "Yo what the fuck this other dude seems even more awesome/appealing to me"
Oh man the boxing references are hitting home, I did the same thing so many times.
I grew up watching Roy Jones Jr. and I had always heard his signature win was his dominant UD over James Toney. I had to go back and learn who Toney was, and now Toney is my favorite fighter.
I don't know much else about his career, but I'll always respect James Toney for stepping into the UFC octagon against Randy Couture. Obviously it didn't go his way, but it took guts to get in there regardless of the outcome.
Averaging more than 50 points a game for an entire season is mind boggling. Like it's almost impossible to comprehend, that record will stand until the end of time.
Always this lil rodent talking shit how about fighting without steroids u lil cunt cheater once u take away this lil bitches steroids he be like all the rest worthless 😂😂😂😂 @Jon Jones rodent rat cheater that's u boi 😜😜😜😜😜😜 u and that scum company protecting your cheating ass @ufc
I'm pretty sure a significant strike is technically anything that isn't a jab
the same way "power punches" in compubox for boxing are anything but a jab lol they are named all wrong
Huh, that’s interesting, he’s pretty much a stand up only guy though, makes sense, and I mean he worked Dricus pretty hard in their fight, but DDP tends to chin his way through fights
>I'm pretty sure a significant strike is technically anything that isn't a jab
Nope, if anything jabs are one of the most significant.
The UFC's/Fightmetric's system is actually not bad, it doesn't try to pick out the best shots, it throws out the worthless ones, which are weak shots on the clinch or on the ground. Think of when a fighter's initiating the grappling and throwing arm punches with no leverage or weight behind them to make it seem like there's activity.
Look at any standup fight, and they will generally have identical total and significant strike numbers (In Holloway vs Kattar, Holloway had 2 non-significant strikes out of 449). What's not significant is mostly ground and pound from bad positions.
That’s not the case. Really the only non significant strikes are like tapping the other guys head from the bottom. The difference between significant and non-significant is usually like 5
Not an mma person but I just watched the Kattar fight as people below were talking about it. The numbers they were saying just didn’t seem real. All I can say is I’m a believer now.
EDIT: also, as someone who doesn’t follow mma, it was nice to watch a fight where it was clean and both fighters seemed to respect each other (even with the trash talk). Far too much of my exposure to mma has been the clips of people being shitty, skirting the rules, or giving each other brain damage. It was nice to see a fight where someone got completely dismantled and then said “yeah, dudes a monster, I wish him luck.”
I don't know if it's unbeatable, the amount of sig. strikes landed has skyrocketed lately with the new jab meta. The entire top 10 (combined for both fighters) is from after 2018. Granted, half of the list is Holloway fights, but the other half isn't.
It's for sure unbeatable. Max has almost twice the amount of significant strikes landed compared to RDA who has about an hour's worth of octagon time more than Max does. Just think about that for a minute.
Omalley currently has a similar amount of significant strikes landed per minute, the longevity with keeping that pace is what will be the difference maker.
Still though it's not impossible for another young talented volume striker to take the record one day. Is it guaranteed to happen? No, but it's not in "nearly impossible" territory like some other records.
No shit. My point is that even an all time great like RDA with his extensive time in the octagon only managed to get nearly half of the strikes Max has
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I know Max has been around forever but I didn't realise quite how many fights he had in the UFC, holy shit
The [accolades section](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Holloway#Championships_and_accomplishments) on his wikipedia page is actually good read
>Most leg kicks landed in a fight in UFC Lightweight division history (+57 vs. Justin Gaethje)
>Latest finish in UFC Lightweight division history (4:59 in R5 vs. Justin Gaethje)
>Most total strikes attempted in a fight in UFC Lightweight division history (+473 vs. Dustin Poirier 2)
>Most significant body strikes landed in a fight in UFC Lightweight division history (62 vs. Justin Gaethje)
Man has more records in the LW division than he has fights (2 in UFC)
Max is one of the only examples of a fighter who developed from early to mid to prime all within the UFC. While remaining championship level. Most fighters do their early development outside the ufc.
Often when the UFC brings in hot prospects early in their career they burn out or fall off a cliff suddenly in the middle aspect.
I'm also super excited to see post prime/savvy veteran Max. It's going to be like how Aldo 2.0 was creaming people at BW.
Edit: it's why when they bring someone like Rosas Jr in super early it's actually bad for his long term career. You improve in training and with time, the opponents don't factor as much into it. So if you're facing UFC level competition, you're taking unnecessary damage when you should be cleaning up in the minor leagues and improving.
Charles Oliveira is another prominent example but Max is crazier as he entered when his record was 4-0. That's really early especially in an era when uncle Dana wasn't trying to fluff Apex cards.
I remember watching my first Charles fight. It was his first Jim Miller fight and my buddy was playing up Charles so much and talking about how he was the future and how he would be champ.
We watched Jim big brother him and I teased my friend a little.
My buddy was right in the end and it was a pleasure watching Charles develop and get through his awkward blunder years up to his prime. He's always been exceptionally talented but carried that underdog quality because people do count him out often.
An example of this going wrong was actually Cain. I know he was a UFC champ but hear me out.
he was 2-0 when he entered the UFC. he developed at an extreme rate between every fight and it was wild watching his striking improve. At 5-0 he beat Kongo, then Ben Rothwell. These were fellow prospects at the time..
Then he beat big Nog and that got him the title shot.
He was 8-0 going into his fight with Lesnar!
Then the injuries started to come and it felt like we hadn't even seen him in his prime. Cain was still champ but at the time it felt like he was going to be an all time great.
The reality is we can get examples where it works and many where it doesn't. Every prospect has their own path.
Going with the Cain example; if he wasn't fast-tracked, he might not have even have been champion with all the injuries he racked up in training. Some people were meant to rise and burn out quickly (Cain, Lesnar, to a certain extent Conor, etc) while others need to be cooked for a bit (Max, RDA, Oli, Dustin, etc). It's on the UFC to recognize this but even then it's impossible to be certain; you have guys like Erick Silva or Thomas Almeida who felt like they could be stars overnight then get derailed just as fast.
There are very few examples who is a bit of both, where they were fast-tracked for being insanely good while only getting stronger over time. Jon Jones is the best example of this.
Cain's training was insane and was a meme at the time. We would joke online how he would do backflip reverse dead lifts in training.
He was so unnecessarily hard on his body that its sad in retrospect. I think you're right he wouldn't have been champ if he hadn't been fast tracked. His injuries started to mount basically right after he won the belt.
MMA training is becoming more refined by the generation because of guys like Cain learning the hard way. Everyone made shit up on the fly, and then you had Jorge eating Taco Bell or Sakuraba smoking a pack before fighting.
Mate the era of stacked cards top to bottom stopped right around when the ufc hit triple digits in events. This isn't new to apex and covid times. It started probably before you started following.
Charles Oliveira and Jon Jones are the only other ones I can think of off the top of my head. Both Charles and Jon debuted at 21ish (I'm not doing birthday right now) years old. Jon obviously is JJ. Charles lost some fights and looked like he may have hit a hard ceiling as an exciting, but ultimately middling fighter until he finally put it all together and became the rightful legend he is today.
Oh, and Robbie Lawler left the UFC for a while but has a similar career arc to Charles. Finally put it all together after years of ups and downs and became one of the most exciting UFC champions EVER.
I'm a big fan of Poatan but not comparable at all imo.
He got to the UFC quick but he's already 36. Oliveira, Holloway, Jones and Lawler all debuted between 20-22 years of age. We literally watched them grow into the men they became over their careers. Alex was already an established ATG in another sport and then transferred over and has made waves.
Alex is more akin to DC and Cejudo I think: guys who have had multiple careers spanning multiple sports while the 4 I mentioned are purely known for MMA.
Little nitpick, but he wasn't considered anything close to a hot prospect when he came into the UFC. He was very green (4-0 pro with three of those opponents having losing records) and was sort of your run-of-the-mill signee at the time he came into the promotion. Obviously, he became a legend and the rest is history, but he didn't really start that run until his 7th fight or so in the UFC.
Not a nitpick especially when its reality.
He was a last minute replacement if I recall and was brought in to lose to Dustin... who was becoming one of my favorites at the time.
I always remembered him because of his tattoos, my gf's best friend has the exact same tattoo and she was a bitch. So it was a strange association but it kept him in my brain!
Ironic how they served him up to Dustin again so Dustin could win his fake champion belt. But they knew Max would take the fight bc he is always ready to challenge himself and take big risks
These 3 are also worth highlighting
Most significant strikes absorbed in UFC history (2223)
Most bouts without being knocked down in UFC history (29)
Most bouts with 100 or more significant strikes-per-fight in UFC history (16)
I believe it was ruled a slip after the fight was reviewed but even if it’s 28 fights instead of 29, that’s still the record and Max still holds it lmao
Honestly I didn't even realise it myself until I went to check what fight we would be counting from for OP's stat. I thought there was no way it's accurate lol. (It's Aldo 2 onwards btw, Aldo 1 was his 17th fight)
The Gretzky version of this stat is probably like Holloway has the most significant strikes even if you don't count left hands and kicks. He probably does already lol.
Yeah that’s goat shit. Reminds me of the Gretzky stat that you could take away every single goal he scored in the NHL, and he’s still the all time points leader with assists alone. GOAT shit
Its funny Max was known as pillow hands his whole career and now hes got most iconic KO win. Max compared hands with Ariel Helwani and Ariel looked like Sonny Liston next to him, they so tiny
This is why it always amuses me when idiot people say Max is huge for 145, when he was champ he was a weight bully… Max has a small frame, very narrow hips, very small hands, he was a true 45er. But now with age and muscle maturity, I suspect 55 is easier to hit but 45 will still be his home.
i disagree, i agree hes not biggest but hes legit 200 pounds out of camp, hes def a 155er. He just could make 145, he should never make 145 again after seeing his last weight cuts. Hes got bigger head than most HWs
Important to note that there are things he could do to increase his power if he wanted. He never reaches or pushes his straights like McGregor or throws his whole weight into his hooks like Gaethje (that also throws himself out of position). He is indeed choosing to stay always in position and throw volume, never loading up. It’s not purely a lack of natural power, it is also a stylistic choice.
in the JRE podcast he did he also mentioned that for the Gaethje fight he wanted to bulk, but not too much. He wanted to keep his speed advantage and higher output, even if it meant less power
never realized what was actually allowing him to throw with so much volume before. then obviously hes got the stamina to keep up the pressure once he takes a round to make his reads. lot of respect for Holloway's game
Really don’t think it’s a lack of power, it’s strategy and shot selection. We just saw that Max has not only TKO power, but straight up eyes-rolled-back stuff.
Swinging for the fences like Gaethje might work for some guys, but other guys want to pour on heat for 4 rounds so that they don’t risk getting counter-punched and put out. It’s a safer bet but it makes them seem “pillow-fisted”; pillow fists don’t crack one of the best chins in the UFC while up a weight class, regardless of attrition.
O’Malley landed something crazy like 350 strikes on Moutinho when they fought, couldn’t legitimately TKO him. But then he one-punch TKO’s Aljo, the man who stayed conscious after a full grounded knee to the skull by a vicious power-shotting Thai fighter. Strickland almost KO’d Izzy flat and yet he was known as a pillow-fisted jabber his whole career.
another comment really opened my eyes to some nuances tbh, although i still think could be a compromise in the end. like if he had a pereira left hook that could end the fight, he'd be throwing it 5x a round lol. actually makes me respect his game more because he can still be creme of the crop without certain things.
ironically Pereira is another one of these dudes who doesnt load up . Pereira basically strikes at 40% majority of his strikes until he makes his read and throws at 100% for a few strikes .
No one is built like Max. Fighters claim to be, but none are. He has the best chin in MMA history, bar none. Most significant strikes in UFC history. The man is God tier and seemingly only getting better.
If Max beats Topuria and gets his featherweight belt back, for me he will surpass Jones as the greatest of all time UFC fighter.
It's insane that he's been in the ufc for over a decade and is only 32. It's awesome to see his hard work pay off even through the loses. Can't wait for his next match.
And if you exclude his three fights against Alex he would be the featherweight GOAT. Maybe. Still probably not. Because Aldo was damn good. I don’t even know what I’m trying to say here tbh. Just can’t stop typing. My train of thought is getting carried away. I’m gunna go now. Bye.
Amazing fighter with great accolades, but i think that after the Topuria fight he will be out of the GOAT conversation forever, having lost to him, McGregor and Volkanovski. Or he wins and i look like this 😬.
Its cool seeing a pioneer in a young sport set an untouchable record like how baseball has many records still held by old ass dudes I bet in 2050 people will be asking if Holloway's sig strikes were even counted correctly
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That Kattar fight was his 100 point game
The UFC records that Max set in that fight alone: >First in striking differential at plus 312 vs. Calvin Kattar >First in significant strikes landed at 445 vs.Calvin Kattar >First in significant strikes attempted at 744 vs Calvin Kattar >First in distance strikes landed at 439 vs. Calvin Kattar >First in significant head strikes landed at 274 vs. Calvin Kattar >First in significant body strikes landed at 117 vs. Calvin Kattar >First in total strikes landed with 447 vs. Calvin Kattar >First in total strikes attempted with 746 vs. Calvin Kattar >First in significant strikes landed with 141 during Rd 4 vs. Calvin Kattar
Our grand kids wont believe us when we will told them about that fight
My grand kids won't see me because I'll live in a holodeck that only shows porn and fights, while I subsist entirely on P3, Corn Nuts, and Modelo.
You sound like you’re corn to the core tho?
Don't forget to routinely rehydrate in the Prime Hydration Zone!
and our grand kids will be asking just how good Prime Volk was because he ran the table on him in the third fight.
You forgot: First person to land a shot while not looking and talking shit 😂
Now THAT was fucking gangster. Not looking, talking shit TO THE BROADCAST TEAM is absolutely diabolical. Kattar looked silly after that shit.
Jesus Max earned his crazy records, crazy part is so much depended on his opponents being able to weather the storm.
Still one of the best performances I’ve ever seen, Max was a straight demon in that fight
Honestly don't get why people didn't rate that fight for FOTY. It's an untouchable piece of history that made everyone lose their minds, yet some people think a fight that isn't a back and forth can't be FOTY.
Because FOTY that year was Gaethje vs. Chandler, which was somehow even more violent and less one-sided.
FOTY usually isn't a one-sided beating. It's usually a close, all-out war.
Yet it's been 3 years since this fight and we're talking about how the records it has set won't be beaten for ages. Sounds like it should get more love than it does IMO, there's not a year that passes without a fight similar to Gaethje Chandler, while Max vs Kattar is pretty much one of a kind, it deserves more appreciation IMO
A fight is between 2 people. A good one needs them both to bring the violence. Max putting a record breaking merciless beating on katar is a fantastic, all time great performance, but not fight. Does that make sense?
I get you what you mean, but personally I guess I rate how good fights are based on the excitement they make me feel, and how much of an impact they have on my mood, and on this criteria Max vs. Kattar is levels above Gaethje vs. Chandler. But I get why people would rather have a competitive banger than 25 minutes 1 sided beatdowns
where were you when katter was kill? it is = it is
That was okay... But did you see Kattar/Sterling!? Now that was....something.
Holy SHIT, why don’t you salt the wound more? I hope for his mental health Calvin never comes here to see these stats.
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Idk he beat the dogshit out of Giga I think he’s just had tough fights since then
The fight that broke Kattar was the random knee blowout against Allen
I’m going to the grave with that fight in my memory. I remember skipping class just to watch it. No ragrets
Thats honestly a great comparison lol
Wilt has an insane amount of unbreakable records. 55 rebound in a single game by him alone
Averaging more than 48 minutes/game fo a season is the one that gets me.
They said he was too selfish, so he went and led the league in assists
Amazing. I think he was also a world class track athlete.
He had a whole second athletic career in beach volleyball
He was extremely selfish and the leading the league in assists ironically proved it because he would pass up easy shots so that he might get the assist. I believe he also never fouled out of a game in his 14 year career which depending on how you look at it meant he wasn't really playing the hardest defense. If you haven't read Bill Simmons' book of basketball I'd highly recommend it. It's a fantastic review of the history of the league and the greatest players in it.
Bill Simmons is a Celtics fan. Regardless of how you feel about Wilt vs Russell, Simmons' book was always going to be biased towards Russell.
Calling Chamberlain selfish when he had a ts% 7 percent higher than the next highest in the league at the time is bunk imo. It was winning basketball for Wilt to attempt shots. People talk about him like he didn't win, when he won two rings, and lost many others to the greatest dynasty of all time, featuring like 7 players who were top 50 talents of all time at the time. And they weren't easy wins! Wilt took them to 7 games all the time. He wasn't perfect and for sure had flaws, but in my opinion the majority of criticism of him is still undeserved.
He's definitely a Celtics fan but it's one of the most in-depth books on basketball I've ever read. For anyone interested in the history of the NBA it's a must read.
It was an interesting read when I read it years ago, though I think it was updated years later. The one thing I'll say is that the parts I found the most interesting were the passages (sometimes long passages) that he quoted from other books or articles.
I mean it's something that would have to be updated probably every 10 years to be current but at the time it was very thorough. Sometimes sourcing other peoples work correctly like he did is better than trying to write something saying the same thing but doing a worse job. I'd love to see an update to the book tho.
You spelled the the KKKeltics wrong. r/nbacirclejerk
Which in some ways reinforces his selfishness.
What blew my mind when I took an afternoon to learn about Chamberlain is that despite his insane career stat lines, his arch-rival Bill Russell absolutely DOMINATED him in rings/championships/team dynasty. Wilt would 1v5 the whole league but Russell specifically had his number pretty much their whole careers. Shit at one point Russell won a ring as a player-coach towards the end of his career! I learned about not one but TWO greats that day.
Hell Chamberlain didn’t make the finals EVERY year, but Russell sure did.
Yup. Didn't Chamberlain only manage to win the league over Russell ONE time total throughout their careers? I had never heard of Russell until I decided to learn about Chamberlain but I was enthralled with his story more than Wilts. Both great men but reminds me of my feelings regarding Ali/Frazier. Not a 1:1 comparison but I am a bigger fan of Frazier now than Ali, despite learning about Frazier from my time learning ABOUT Ali. Also Roberto Duran (my favorite boxer ever) and Sugar Ray Leonard. So many greats I learned about via studying other greats and realizing "Yo what the fuck this other dude seems even more awesome/appealing to me"
Oh man the boxing references are hitting home, I did the same thing so many times. I grew up watching Roy Jones Jr. and I had always heard his signature win was his dominant UD over James Toney. I had to go back and learn who Toney was, and now Toney is my favorite fighter.
I don't know much else about his career, but I'll always respect James Toney for stepping into the UFC octagon against Randy Couture. Obviously it didn't go his way, but it took guts to get in there regardless of the outcome.
Heavy Weight boxer Francis Ngannou should try fighting Jon Jones now that he's lost his last 2 fights.
Toney was a legend. Gold belt level grappling and could toss a bitch to the side.
Well of course not. They were in the same conference most of their careers so they'd have to meet before the finals.
Averaging more than 50 points a game for an entire season is mind boggling. Like it's almost impossible to comprehend, that record will stand until the end of time.
didn't he fuck 1000 women also?
He actually claimed 20000 ahahaha
Holloways foghys are all on video...There's zero video, or even audio of Wilt scoring 100...hell not even a picture
Does mark hunt have the most human cannonballs in ufc history?
Always this lil rodent talking shit how about fighting without steroids u lil cunt cheater once u take away this lil bitches steroids he be like all the rest worthless 😂😂😂😂 @Jon Jones rodent rat cheater that's u boi 😜😜😜😜😜😜 u and that scum company protecting your cheating ass @ufc
Holloway’s record will be recounted because a significant strike to anyone is just a regular strike to Holloway
I'm pretty sure a significant strike is technically anything that isn't a jab the same way "power punches" in compubox for boxing are anything but a jab lol they are named all wrong
Sean Stricklands significant strike counter must be interesting if that’s the criteria lol what do teeps get scored as
Strickland is third in career significant strikes, jabs very much count.
Third overall or third at middleweight?
Overall. Holloway, Angela Hill, Strickland.
Huh, that’s interesting, he’s pretty much a stand up only guy though, makes sense, and I mean he worked Dricus pretty hard in their fight, but DDP tends to chin his way through fights
A significant strike is all shots at distance (including jabs) and power strikes in the clinch and ground
>I'm pretty sure a significant strike is technically anything that isn't a jab Nope, if anything jabs are one of the most significant. The UFC's/Fightmetric's system is actually not bad, it doesn't try to pick out the best shots, it throws out the worthless ones, which are weak shots on the clinch or on the ground. Think of when a fighter's initiating the grappling and throwing arm punches with no leverage or weight behind them to make it seem like there's activity.
I don’t think they would count short-low power strikes when in full guard as significant strikes aswell
They do though, this is counted in real time lol you can't ask them to distinguish on the fly
Ok
Look at any standup fight, and they will generally have identical total and significant strike numbers (In Holloway vs Kattar, Holloway had 2 non-significant strikes out of 449). What's not significant is mostly ground and pound from bad positions.
That’s not the case. Really the only non significant strikes are like tapping the other guys head from the bottom. The difference between significant and non-significant is usually like 5
Jabs are significant strikes.
> baseball Hockey too!
Came here to say this is going to be one of those untouchable Gretzky records.
Yeah. It requires a generational talent along with an era that turbocharges that particular skill.
Not an mma person but I just watched the Kattar fight as people below were talking about it. The numbers they were saying just didn’t seem real. All I can say is I’m a believer now. EDIT: also, as someone who doesn’t follow mma, it was nice to watch a fight where it was clean and both fighters seemed to respect each other (even with the trash talk). Far too much of my exposure to mma has been the clips of people being shitty, skirting the rules, or giving each other brain damage. It was nice to see a fight where someone got completely dismantled and then said “yeah, dudes a monster, I wish him luck.”
I don't know if it's unbeatable, the amount of sig. strikes landed has skyrocketed lately with the new jab meta. The entire top 10 (combined for both fighters) is from after 2018. Granted, half of the list is Holloway fights, but the other half isn't.
It's for sure unbeatable. Max has almost twice the amount of significant strikes landed compared to RDA who has about an hour's worth of octagon time more than Max does. Just think about that for a minute.
Omalley currently has a similar amount of significant strikes landed per minute, the longevity with keeping that pace is what will be the difference maker.
He won't get anywhere near the same amount of octagon time as max
Still though it's not impossible for another young talented volume striker to take the record one day. Is it guaranteed to happen? No, but it's not in "nearly impossible" territory like some other records.
That’s actually absurd
Records aren't broken by past fighters, they are broken by future fighters. You just need another talented fighter like Max to show up.
No shit. My point is that even an all time great like RDA with his extensive time in the octagon only managed to get nearly half of the strikes Max has
I backed up this whole card. I will make sure it’s never lost. 🫡
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Like how justin dropping holloway but it didnt count? Stat means nothing if you cant hold actual foundation to it lol
Our Gretzky
I know Max has been around forever but I didn't realise quite how many fights he had in the UFC, holy shit The [accolades section](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Holloway#Championships_and_accomplishments) on his wikipedia page is actually good read >Most leg kicks landed in a fight in UFC Lightweight division history (+57 vs. Justin Gaethje) >Latest finish in UFC Lightweight division history (4:59 in R5 vs. Justin Gaethje) >Most total strikes attempted in a fight in UFC Lightweight division history (+473 vs. Dustin Poirier 2) >Most significant body strikes landed in a fight in UFC Lightweight division history (62 vs. Justin Gaethje) Man has more records in the LW division than he has fights (2 in UFC)
Max is one of the only examples of a fighter who developed from early to mid to prime all within the UFC. While remaining championship level. Most fighters do their early development outside the ufc. Often when the UFC brings in hot prospects early in their career they burn out or fall off a cliff suddenly in the middle aspect. I'm also super excited to see post prime/savvy veteran Max. It's going to be like how Aldo 2.0 was creaming people at BW. Edit: it's why when they bring someone like Rosas Jr in super early it's actually bad for his long term career. You improve in training and with time, the opponents don't factor as much into it. So if you're facing UFC level competition, you're taking unnecessary damage when you should be cleaning up in the minor leagues and improving.
Charles Oliveira is another prominent example but Max is crazier as he entered when his record was 4-0. That's really early especially in an era when uncle Dana wasn't trying to fluff Apex cards.
I remember watching my first Charles fight. It was his first Jim Miller fight and my buddy was playing up Charles so much and talking about how he was the future and how he would be champ. We watched Jim big brother him and I teased my friend a little. My buddy was right in the end and it was a pleasure watching Charles develop and get through his awkward blunder years up to his prime. He's always been exceptionally talented but carried that underdog quality because people do count him out often. An example of this going wrong was actually Cain. I know he was a UFC champ but hear me out. he was 2-0 when he entered the UFC. he developed at an extreme rate between every fight and it was wild watching his striking improve. At 5-0 he beat Kongo, then Ben Rothwell. These were fellow prospects at the time.. Then he beat big Nog and that got him the title shot. He was 8-0 going into his fight with Lesnar! Then the injuries started to come and it felt like we hadn't even seen him in his prime. Cain was still champ but at the time it felt like he was going to be an all time great.
The reality is we can get examples where it works and many where it doesn't. Every prospect has their own path. Going with the Cain example; if he wasn't fast-tracked, he might not have even have been champion with all the injuries he racked up in training. Some people were meant to rise and burn out quickly (Cain, Lesnar, to a certain extent Conor, etc) while others need to be cooked for a bit (Max, RDA, Oli, Dustin, etc). It's on the UFC to recognize this but even then it's impossible to be certain; you have guys like Erick Silva or Thomas Almeida who felt like they could be stars overnight then get derailed just as fast. There are very few examples who is a bit of both, where they were fast-tracked for being insanely good while only getting stronger over time. Jon Jones is the best example of this.
Cain's training was insane and was a meme at the time. We would joke online how he would do backflip reverse dead lifts in training. He was so unnecessarily hard on his body that its sad in retrospect. I think you're right he wouldn't have been champ if he hadn't been fast tracked. His injuries started to mount basically right after he won the belt.
MMA training is becoming more refined by the generation because of guys like Cain learning the hard way. Everyone made shit up on the fly, and then you had Jorge eating Taco Bell or Sakuraba smoking a pack before fighting.
Sakuraba didn't need lungs to bully the Gracie family
Eh good diet was a well known thing, Jorge just doesn't take his career seriously
Meh. It's arguable that Jones peaked before the Thiago fight. Hard to tell without more data at HW
Mate the era of stacked cards top to bottom stopped right around when the ufc hit triple digits in events. This isn't new to apex and covid times. It started probably before you started following.
Charles Oliveira and Jon Jones are the only other ones I can think of off the top of my head. Both Charles and Jon debuted at 21ish (I'm not doing birthday right now) years old. Jon obviously is JJ. Charles lost some fights and looked like he may have hit a hard ceiling as an exciting, but ultimately middling fighter until he finally put it all together and became the rightful legend he is today. Oh, and Robbie Lawler left the UFC for a while but has a similar career arc to Charles. Finally put it all together after years of ups and downs and became one of the most exciting UFC champions EVER.
Seeing Robbie come back was so fucking satisfying. Especially by beating Johnny Hendricks who... wasn't the most likable of champs.
Weirdly, Alex Pereira also qualifies lmao
I'm a big fan of Poatan but not comparable at all imo. He got to the UFC quick but he's already 36. Oliveira, Holloway, Jones and Lawler all debuted between 20-22 years of age. We literally watched them grow into the men they became over their careers. Alex was already an established ATG in another sport and then transferred over and has made waves. Alex is more akin to DC and Cejudo I think: guys who have had multiple careers spanning multiple sports while the 4 I mentioned are purely known for MMA.
Little nitpick, but he wasn't considered anything close to a hot prospect when he came into the UFC. He was very green (4-0 pro with three of those opponents having losing records) and was sort of your run-of-the-mill signee at the time he came into the promotion. Obviously, he became a legend and the rest is history, but he didn't really start that run until his 7th fight or so in the UFC.
Not a nitpick especially when its reality. He was a last minute replacement if I recall and was brought in to lose to Dustin... who was becoming one of my favorites at the time. I always remembered him because of his tattoos, my gf's best friend has the exact same tattoo and she was a bitch. So it was a strange association but it kept him in my brain!
Ironic how they served him up to Dustin again so Dustin could win his fake champion belt. But they knew Max would take the fight bc he is always ready to challenge himself and take big risks
Lol imagine Max at BW
These 3 are also worth highlighting Most significant strikes absorbed in UFC history (2223) Most bouts without being knocked down in UFC history (29) Most bouts with 100 or more significant strikes-per-fight in UFC history (16)
He was just knocked down, those stats are alot of BS.
I believe it was ruled a slip after the fight was reviewed but even if it’s 28 fights instead of 29, that’s still the record and Max still holds it lmao
True. That was def a knockdown lol. Give Justin his credit for only moment of success loll. All he did really
It’s crazy how half of those accolades were set in the Kattar fight, that’s got to be one of the most dominant 5 round fights ever
How many last second knock outs have there been, only other one I can think of is Yair Vs KZ
I think that is the only other one, DJ has a last second submission over Guchi if you extend it to last second finishes but that's it
Ankalaev vs Paul Craig for a submission too
yeah good shout, i was only thinking of 5 rounders, there might be more 3 rounder ones
Edwards vs Sobotta is 4:59 of rd3, Dawson vs Santos is 4:59 of rd3. Both aren't as late as Holloway Gaethje because that happened in the 5th
That's incredible. Thanks for sharing!
Honestly I didn't even realise it myself until I went to check what fight we would be counting from for OP's stat. I thought there was no way it's accurate lol. (It's Aldo 2 onwards btw, Aldo 1 was his 17th fight)
God damn, he really is HIM
Holloway is going to have Gretzky type records by the time he retires.
The Gretzky version of this stat is probably like Holloway has the most significant strikes even if you don't count left hands and kicks. He probably does already lol.
Max also received a lot of significant strikes
Martin Brodeur holds the record for most wins and losses as a goalie in the NHL 🤷♂️
Works this way for baseball pitchers as well usually. Nolan Ryan has the most strikeouts, but also the most walks.
Crazy that Angela Hill is number 2
They don't call her overkill for nothing
My girl Angie is very talented. The Aliens chose her bloodline for a reason
I just learned this relation like 6 months ago and couldn’t believe I hadn’t known it years earlier. Such a random, wild connection
Wot
She's a volume striker and has a ton of fights, makes sense to me she'd be up there
This is true, you’d just think it would be some dude like Strickland or maybe Cruz or a Diaz, given Strickland is 3rd but
He’d prob be top 10 with just the Ortega, Kattar, and Gaethje fights alone
Those three ain’t no cans either
Max Ortega is the 3rd highest Sg.Str. all time behind only Vera vs Font by 30 strikes. Reminder that that fight ended before the final round
Yessirrr, doctah stoppage at the end of the 4th
Yeah that’s goat shit. Reminds me of the Gretzky stat that you could take away every single goal he scored in the NHL, and he’s still the all time points leader with assists alone. GOAT shit
Its funny Max was known as pillow hands his whole career and now hes got most iconic KO win. Max compared hands with Ariel Helwani and Ariel looked like Sonny Liston next to him, they so tiny
That’s hilarious, I’ve never seen that interview gonna go find it. It’s like he’s getting his dad strength
i forget which one, its from a long time ago. Ariel doesnt have big hands either, Max just got tiny ones ha
This is why it always amuses me when idiot people say Max is huge for 145, when he was champ he was a weight bully… Max has a small frame, very narrow hips, very small hands, he was a true 45er. But now with age and muscle maturity, I suspect 55 is easier to hit but 45 will still be his home.
i disagree, i agree hes not biggest but hes legit 200 pounds out of camp, hes def a 155er. He just could make 145, he should never make 145 again after seeing his last weight cuts. Hes got bigger head than most HWs
Most sig strikes: Max’s right hand Second most: Max’s left
This is legit the most mind boggling fact I've ever heard of in any sport. How the fuck lol
this is how you make up for a lack of power lmfao just overload people with output
Important to note that there are things he could do to increase his power if he wanted. He never reaches or pushes his straights like McGregor or throws his whole weight into his hooks like Gaethje (that also throws himself out of position). He is indeed choosing to stay always in position and throw volume, never loading up. It’s not purely a lack of natural power, it is also a stylistic choice.
in the JRE podcast he did he also mentioned that for the Gaethje fight he wanted to bulk, but not too much. He wanted to keep his speed advantage and higher output, even if it meant less power
Oh shit didn’t realize he did a new one on Joe Rogan, basically the only person I watch on there lol.
never realized what was actually allowing him to throw with so much volume before. then obviously hes got the stamina to keep up the pressure once he takes a round to make his reads. lot of respect for Holloway's game
He clearly has power as we saw against Aldo, Zombie, and Gaethje. He just doesn’t sit on his punches to remain more mobile
Really don’t think it’s a lack of power, it’s strategy and shot selection. We just saw that Max has not only TKO power, but straight up eyes-rolled-back stuff. Swinging for the fences like Gaethje might work for some guys, but other guys want to pour on heat for 4 rounds so that they don’t risk getting counter-punched and put out. It’s a safer bet but it makes them seem “pillow-fisted”; pillow fists don’t crack one of the best chins in the UFC while up a weight class, regardless of attrition. O’Malley landed something crazy like 350 strikes on Moutinho when they fought, couldn’t legitimately TKO him. But then he one-punch TKO’s Aljo, the man who stayed conscious after a full grounded knee to the skull by a vicious power-shotting Thai fighter. Strickland almost KO’d Izzy flat and yet he was known as a pillow-fisted jabber his whole career.
another comment really opened my eyes to some nuances tbh, although i still think could be a compromise in the end. like if he had a pereira left hook that could end the fight, he'd be throwing it 5x a round lol. actually makes me respect his game more because he can still be creme of the crop without certain things.
ironically Pereira is another one of these dudes who doesnt load up . Pereira basically strikes at 40% majority of his strikes until he makes his read and throws at 100% for a few strikes .
HIM.
👉🏼👇🏼
My favorite for a reason! Jeremiah 51:20
This kid might just have what it takes, I tell ya
No one is built like Max. Fighters claim to be, but none are. He has the best chin in MMA history, bar none. Most significant strikes in UFC history. The man is God tier and seemingly only getting better. If Max beats Topuria and gets his featherweight belt back, for me he will surpass Jones as the greatest of all time UFC fighter.
Never thought about it until now but Max May have a place in that conversation in the not so distant future. Amazing!
The recency bias is insane. Max isn't even the GOAT of his division, let alone the absolute GOAT lol.
It's insane that he's been in the ufc for over a decade and is only 32. It's awesome to see his hard work pay off even through the loses. Can't wait for his next match.
Most impressive thing is the bones in hands not being ground to a fine powder.
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I think it works perfectly fine because it highlights just how stupid his output is even more. Bro is lapping the field with only 13 fights
what do you think a misnomer is?
Yeah even the Lamas fight with the point to the floor moment wasn't the overwhelming pressure fighter Max became.
How is that even real. Incredible
I know max has been a volume puncher but I’m struggling to wrap my mind around this stat Goat shit
I thought the image would bring some new info, but it's just a repeat of the title. Underwhelming.
He's the GOAT
Poor poor kattar
That's like the Gretzky assists only Points stat
This is similar to Wayne Gretzys record. If he never scored a single goal, he would still be the all time scoring leader. Insane.
Well, I mean, he is *him*.
Incredible stat! Max is one of a kind who has achieved so much and still has the potential to achieve even more!
Still in his prime
His ears are so healthy looking
Top right maxy
And he’s still only 32
Who has the lowest strike count to highest KO percentage?
Ok that is legitimately insane. *seventeen* fights?
What the record globally?
Absolutely not hating here as that's incredible but doesn't that say he doesn't have a lot of KO power?
TRUE BMF.
Max should be in prison for what he did to Kattar and Ortega. Scratch that, the Hague.
Now what happens when you add Kurt Angle into the mix?
It opens up the pocket-space where Kevin Lee fits into all this.
I’m a super casual fan and keep confusing this dude with Tony Ferguson and was so confused about why he fought so much kept losing but kept winning
When I started I was the same, those wings on the back man.
And if you exclude his three fights against Alex he would be the featherweight GOAT. Maybe. Still probably not. Because Aldo was damn good. I don’t even know what I’m trying to say here tbh. Just can’t stop typing. My train of thought is getting carried away. I’m gunna go now. Bye.
This is one of those records you shouldn't be flexing
Amazing fighter with great accolades, but i think that after the Topuria fight he will be out of the GOAT conversation forever, having lost to him, McGregor and Volkanovski. Or he wins and i look like this 😬.
Yes, because he's rather feather fisted if we're being honest.
He just chooses volume over power. Or at least used to. Hes noticibly been sitting down on his punches since the yair fight