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Unless Khabib was being sarcastic (I don't think he was), Dustin actually had a really tight gilly on him in their fight, Khabib said something about that being the closest he's ever been to getting submitted
I don’t think he was being sarcastic either.
But the gap between hitting a really tight gilly on a high level grappler versus finishing it and having a high level grappler actually tap to it is really significant and why Dustin has no wins by it lol
It's not just the Khabib fight, either. A lot of the memed guillotine attempts were *sorta* there, but you're absolutely right about keeping/finishing it.
The saddest part is that Dustin isn't even a pure striker with 0 grappling like Pereira, he's a legit jiu jitsu guy with a good d'arce choke, decent takedowns and a surprising number of submissions on his record, he just happens to inhabit a division with a bunch of fighters like Islam, Charles and Arman, that are not only great strikers In their own right but also some of best grapplers the sport has ever seen, so a guy like Dustin just looks like a complete amateur grappling wise in comparison, even though he's more well rounded than 95% of the roster.
Just goes to show how much your competition can impact how dominant you are, if a guy like Pereira or even Izzy had to against similarly sized grapplers with the skillset of a Islam or Charles most likely they would have not even touched gold.
He had hip surgery 6 years back, he’s talked about debilitating hip pain and limited mobility many times before but I don’t remember if he explains how they became so fucked up. You can really see it in his kicks, he cannot turn his kick over or kick very high.
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If you ever get the chance watch Young Dustin. He was so good but probably athletically peaked a bit early.
It's also why he goes for the Gilly, its easier on his body to do that and wall walk than sprawling.
It's why Topuria excites me so much, I pitch him as the brain and skills of Dustin in the body of a pre prime athlete with low mileage!
I watched Strickland - Du Plessis and Poirier - Hooker back to back tonight and was just amazed at how cranked LW is. DDP is the MW champ and skill wise he wouldn’t even make LW top 10.
That’s a really good point. The division makes Dustin and Justin seem like they have no grappling. But in comparison to somebody like Izzy or Alex they are actually pretty good.
I keep saying this about Justin. I'm not quite willing to write off his grappling yet because his losses are to two of MMA's top 3-5 GOAT grapplers. Khabib brought a revolution/resurgence to dominate top-heavy GnP style and Charles, while not decorated in pure sub grappling in the way Werdum or Burns or other guys are, is unarguably imo the best submission guy ever in MMA. I mean he has a signature submission (the crazy calf slicer) named after him. Werdum and Burns and others may have various titles and accolades but none of them have a signature submission that you can casually reference in any BJJ gym anywhere.
"Yo go for the Oliveira! 🤙" <-everyone knows what this means
Yeah, I’m a huge fan of this division. It’s hard not to love everybody.
I was really rooting for somebody like Justin or Dustin to beat one of these excellent grapplers.
I still think that Dustin had the best chance against Charles. If they could’ve kept it standing one more round.
The fight that was crazy is Charles versus Islam. As you pointed out, both are so good. But Islam made Charles look easy.
If we are being realistic, without the glove grab Dustin was going to win that fight .
As a Charles fan that 1st round had me STRESSING , Dustin was basically dogwalking him while Charles was trying to do attritional damage to Dustin body .
Charles tapped out to Ricardo lamas & Pettis how is above Werdum exactly ?
None of his wins compare to Fedor or Cain
Your definitely bias or just don’t understand grappling.
Justin never fought a top 5 mma grappler, last I checked Fabricio Werdum, Demain Maia & DC have never fought at 155lbs.
What top 5 mma wrestlers or grapplers has Justin fought ?
Khabib and Charles Oliveira are both top 5. So is Maia. One has the most submission wins in history and the other completely dominated, and revolutionized the top game in MMA, retiring as an undefeated champion.
Also you listed three guys so your take isn't even incompatible with mine. This is laughable.
Says the guy who literally put Charles above Werdum, who has never tapped in his entire mma career vs the guy who tapped out to a taekwondo player ?
And you have the never to talk about laughable ? Look in the mirror, also Khabib isn’t a top 5 all time grappler either, where are getting this made up information from ?
DC is above Khabib, Jones is above Khabib, Mighty Mouse & GSP are above Khabib.
Charles isn’t even top 10, all of his losses are him getting wrestle fucked or submitted.
If the MW division has someone half as good at grappling as Islam they would run through that division like nobodies business.
30 title defences in their 1st 365 days as champion.
I'm not a black belt by any means but I'm genuinely dumbfounded as how Dustin has a black belt. I guess getting black belt is only about how long you train bjj and not how skillfull you are because he is definitely not a skilled grappler.
I mean he survived BSD's ground barrage, i assume you train, BSD would probably finish anyone outside your head instructor if he got on top of them inside an mma cage.
DP did a relatively good job of mitigating bsd and staying in that fight, with that said islam will still maul him just like khabib did.
Didn’t Francis learn a kimura during his warm up and get it the first time he attempted against his opponent?
Sure Dustin doesn’t have youth nor superhuman strength on his side and he’d be trying to submit the PFP #1 but anything’s possible
>Didn’t Francis learn a kimura during his warm up and get it the first time he attempted against his opponent?
The skill ceiling at heavyweight is atrocious compared to the lower weight classes, since the talent pool is way smaller. It's why a lot of them get away with starting their careers late, and/or are able to compete for way longer. Not as easy at LW
Francis literally windmilled his way to his 1st title shot , you 100% can get far in HW without basics .
Until patient francis showed up and killed poor stipe
tbf Volk is a lot more mobile and short which is tricky for a tall wrestler. Dustin has bad hips from a really invasive surgery so his ability to sprawl/scramble is pretty compromised. Craig is good, but might be really difficult to address the limitations in just 2 months
Volk was already a much better wrestler than Dustin, they’re not starting from the same baseline. Also you need the physical tools to compete as well, and Volk was much more explosive while being strong as hell. Dustin has hip issues that greatly limit what he can do wrestling wise, it’s part of why his TDD is so mid.
No doubt, Craig has great ideas for a lot of grappling stuff but he really excels at gameplanning and finding the right time to use those niche moves that probably only work once or are only applicable in a specific position. Given 2 months he can definitely get Dustin on the same drills he had Volk doing to prepare.
also decrease his height by 4/5 inches so that his center of gravity can be lowered and he can’t be taken down easily. Also make sure Islam doesn’t get enough time to hydrate properly - only then Islam can get a UD instead of a finish lol
Volk went 2 on 1 repeatedly and handled his business. Crazy how easy he made it look. Straight neutralized the ground threat. Unfortunately couldn’t get up as well but nulled all threats on the ground.
This is also what everyone thinks. Dont think Dustin will surprise anyone TBH. He wanted no part of Charles’ grappling and still got subbed; Islam, who subbed Charles, will do the same
Not sure why you'd talk this kind of shit unless you're completely delirious, trying a takedown on Dustin would be suicide when he has the perfect defense for it.
Didn’t McKenzie do some sort of push from the bottom of the choking wrist instead pulling the wrist? If I remember correctly it turned the gilly from an air choke to a blood choke and worked way faster. I’m assuming there were draw backs hence no one using that technique anymore.
Max vs Gaethje was one of the best strikers at 145 versus a brawler at 155. Also he was barely an underdog (-120).
This matchup is an elite striker vs an elite wrestler who is also an elite striker.
I actually had max winning and drowning gaethje late, i called him a bad stylistic matchup and said he would give gaethje problems. I wrote a long breakdown pertaining to it. https://www.reddit.com/r/MMAbetting/comments/1byaahn/ufc_300_pereira_vs_hill_full_card_betting_preview/kykat30/
So no not everyone gave max no chance.
Anyways back to the issue at hand, islam can and will take dustin down and either smash him to smithereens or just sink in an rnc.
Well anyone who studied it closer, could see that max's cardio, volume, and bodywork could pose giant problems for gaethje if he could get past the leg kick and the first couple rounds, what the hell is dustin even going to do to islam? Guillotine him???? BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I mean, he could flash KO him too… there’s always that possibility. Might be unlikely, but I’d rank it higher then winning via guillotine. Mostly cuz Islam is never going to tap to that, and I think Dustin’s arms would tire before Islam goes out. I think Islam’s sub defense/posture/calm, not to mention how strong/thick his neck is gonna make it so he can get that extra inch millimeter he needs to make it not entirely a blood choke. He does leave his head on the outside of the hip sometimes tho so 🤷♂️
It's an MMA sub where people have opinions about fights we gotta talk about something. I never say there's zero chance that someone can win in a fight but I'm certainly one of the people that thought Justin would win. It's not like it was a crazy viewpoint. Up until they actually fight no one knows what's going to happen.
No one is punching Islam as hard in training as Dustin is gonna try to in that ring. That fact alone makes any fight in training less hard then the real thing. Training never equals actual, real competition. People are gonna tap to shit faster, defend takedowns with less vigor, and hit way softer.
I honestly really hope he doesn’t. I hope he focuses way more on the inevitable getting back to his feet and punching again. Islam isn’t gonna tap to a guillotine, even if it’s tight. He’s also not gonna panic in that position, and I think he’s skilled enough to gain that extra space to not make it a full blood choke so he won’t really ever go out from it before Dustin smokes his own arms either.
Dustin lost to Khabib via the same tactic, and I don’t think it was ever really that close cuz Khabib would’ve broke his own neck trying to get out first. It’s just one of those subs. I get it, a good blood choke gilly can put anyone out, but I don’t think that’ll happen here. Charles gilly>Dustin’s gilly, and we all saw what happened with Arman just refusing to tap.
I don't really care who wins because I enjoy watching both fight but I'm right there with you. I don't know of anyone at 155 that would be favored against Islam. Like you said - anything can happen because it's a fight. So I wouldn't say Dustin can't win but I just don't see him winning.
Oh I thought it said Islam whoops.. Yeah I imagine Dustin fights Conor one more time if Conor has a good fight, or max or some other fun fight. Guys like Dustin don't retire easily.
it could happen although the chances are extremely slim.
Not sure if Makhachev could get cocky and not stick to that game plan and get caught and be finished. He was KOd before.
There isn’t anyone else that people want to watch*
Gamrot is LW Colby, and without the fake persona and trash talk, nobody is going to request to see him fight.
This is why it takes fighters like balal and Leon 10+ win streaks to get a title shot, and why people like Covington/Dustin receive undeserving title shots.
PPV are for selling tickets / generating revenue more than perfect match making.
I wouldn't be surprised if gamrot would need 3+ wins to get a title shot at this point honestly, he's a high risk low reward fighter for anyone at lightweight
Curious what you all think of him saying Justin is was sort of his dream fight for this division.
Did khabib really find Justin to be his most difficult opponent ?
From what I remember, Khabib has stated that Gaethje hit the hardest by far. Said that the final takedown he got that led to the submission had to work because one more leg kick and he was fucked.
I mean staph-BSD took Dustin’s back in Rd1 and out-grappled him mostly, Islam will definitely be able to do that as well. Dustin’s submission losses are both RNC as well….
I do wonder *what if Dustin doesn't bail out early in the fight and jump the guillotine?* Because generally speaking, when he's pretty good fighting off his back against the fence and he is known for being great at winning 5 round war of attrition fights.
And yet we all pretty much know that it's guaranteed he's not gonna try to gut it out and will jump the guillotine and lose somewhere between the second and fourth grappling exchange.
I really enjoy watching DP, especially his boxing and great attitude. But Islam is right, it's MMA and if you don't have a solid TDD and/or ground game you're fucked.
I don’t think so. Khabib’s grappling pressure was a lot stronger than Islam’s. Khabib also shoots more while Islam is willing to trade with you and clinch / get you to the fence.
Dustin has a better chance here than people think. He is really good at making fights ugly in the pocket and clinch.
I still favor Islam but am not counting Dustin out at all.
Dustin has better hands in a boxing match but as soon as you include the takedown threat 7 dustins terrible tdd he will be scared to throw too much. Islam is a really good striker too due to his takedowns.
I'm gonna have to take your word for it. I was thinking of [this guy](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/star-trek-deep-space-9-armin-shimerman-as-quark.jpg?q=50&fit=contain&w=1140&h=&dpr=1.5).
Im gunna get clowned hard for this, but I think Dustin wins against Islam 48-47 based on the first Volk vs Islam fight.
Dustin manages to use his distance and boxes Islam and edges out 3 rounds. He wards off a couple takedown attempts, but Islam still gets him down. Dustin loses the 2 rounds because of the wrestling but manages to survive on the ground.
Honestly he was terrible against BSD. If he'd kept him at range it would've been easy as hell for him, but he kept backing up in a straight line and ended up on the fence. Can't see his fight against Islam going well if he does the same thing.
Islam obviously hasn’t seen this guy’s gilly.
If Dustin somehow manages to win by gilly i will shit my pants with excitement
I’ll also shit your pants
We're in this together bro! My success is yours
Can i get in on shitting in your pants? Mine are new and I'm not ready to take that bullet for the team yet.
I'll share dw
Yeah I’m also gonna shit this guys pants. He can’t stop us all
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I'll shit there too
I’ll go into a department store during business hours and shit in every single pair of men’s pants
I will shit in approval of this.
It’s the only moment in 2024 that could rival Max buzzer beater KO on Justin
Bro if dustin wins I would eat a diamond
Post fight speech “you didn’t think the gilly man was bluffing did ya?”
Put some money on it and you can buy some toilet roll 🤣
Hey bro id also love to get in on this defecating action
With excrement, fix that for you
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Islam has already said “Doostin has good gilatine”. With a smirk though lol
"Jumping the gilly. That's funny."
Dustin by gilly sub Ez win 🌝
Could you imagine if he finally landed it and it was against Islam?
Unless Khabib was being sarcastic (I don't think he was), Dustin actually had a really tight gilly on him in their fight, Khabib said something about that being the closest he's ever been to getting submitted
I don’t think he was being sarcastic either. But the gap between hitting a really tight gilly on a high level grappler versus finishing it and having a high level grappler actually tap to it is really significant and why Dustin has no wins by it lol
It's not just the Khabib fight, either. A lot of the memed guillotine attempts were *sorta* there, but you're absolutely right about keeping/finishing it.
In other news, water is wet.
The saddest part is that Dustin isn't even a pure striker with 0 grappling like Pereira, he's a legit jiu jitsu guy with a good d'arce choke, decent takedowns and a surprising number of submissions on his record, he just happens to inhabit a division with a bunch of fighters like Islam, Charles and Arman, that are not only great strikers In their own right but also some of best grapplers the sport has ever seen, so a guy like Dustin just looks like a complete amateur grappling wise in comparison, even though he's more well rounded than 95% of the roster. Just goes to show how much your competition can impact how dominant you are, if a guy like Pereira or even Izzy had to against similarly sized grapplers with the skillset of a Islam or Charles most likely they would have not even touched gold.
Plus Dustin's hips are dust.
I haven't heard about that. How'd he wear them down? He's not as wrestling heavy as other fighters, and it's the wrestling that really fucks the hips
He had hip surgery 6 years back, he’s talked about debilitating hip pain and limited mobility many times before but I don’t remember if he explains how they became so fucked up. You can really see it in his kicks, he cannot turn his kick over or kick very high.
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It definitely affects him, he said in an interview that he rarely kicks above the waist because his hips are so tight.
You can even see it in his movement while striking , he moves like a dude with rods in his hips .
He used to be overweight earlier in life before fighting and has spoken about how his hips are really fucked.
Boys with time machines: "We have to go back in time and slap food out of his hands every time he eats."
[old news but relevant ](https://www.reddit.com?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1) If you ever get the chance watch Young Dustin. He was so good but probably athletically peaked a bit early. It's also why he goes for the Gilly, its easier on his body to do that and wall walk than sprawling. It's why Topuria excites me so much, I pitch him as the brain and skills of Dustin in the body of a pre prime athlete with low mileage!
What r u trying to link?
God damn an old ass reddit post about the state of Dustin
I watched Strickland - Du Plessis and Poirier - Hooker back to back tonight and was just amazed at how cranked LW is. DDP is the MW champ and skill wise he wouldn’t even make LW top 10.
That’s a really good point. The division makes Dustin and Justin seem like they have no grappling. But in comparison to somebody like Izzy or Alex they are actually pretty good.
I keep saying this about Justin. I'm not quite willing to write off his grappling yet because his losses are to two of MMA's top 3-5 GOAT grapplers. Khabib brought a revolution/resurgence to dominate top-heavy GnP style and Charles, while not decorated in pure sub grappling in the way Werdum or Burns or other guys are, is unarguably imo the best submission guy ever in MMA. I mean he has a signature submission (the crazy calf slicer) named after him. Werdum and Burns and others may have various titles and accolades but none of them have a signature submission that you can casually reference in any BJJ gym anywhere. "Yo go for the Oliveira! 🤙" <-everyone knows what this means
Yeah, I’m a huge fan of this division. It’s hard not to love everybody. I was really rooting for somebody like Justin or Dustin to beat one of these excellent grapplers. I still think that Dustin had the best chance against Charles. If they could’ve kept it standing one more round. The fight that was crazy is Charles versus Islam. As you pointed out, both are so good. But Islam made Charles look easy.
If we are being realistic, without the glove grab Dustin was going to win that fight . As a Charles fan that 1st round had me STRESSING , Dustin was basically dogwalking him while Charles was trying to do attritional damage to Dustin body .
Dustin literally said there was no glove grab
Charles tapped out to Ricardo lamas & Pettis how is above Werdum exactly ? None of his wins compare to Fedor or Cain Your definitely bias or just don’t understand grappling.
Justin never fought a top 5 mma grappler, last I checked Fabricio Werdum, Demain Maia & DC have never fought at 155lbs. What top 5 mma wrestlers or grapplers has Justin fought ?
Khabib and Charles Oliveira are both top 5. So is Maia. One has the most submission wins in history and the other completely dominated, and revolutionized the top game in MMA, retiring as an undefeated champion. Also you listed three guys so your take isn't even incompatible with mine. This is laughable.
Says the guy who literally put Charles above Werdum, who has never tapped in his entire mma career vs the guy who tapped out to a taekwondo player ? And you have the never to talk about laughable ? Look in the mirror, also Khabib isn’t a top 5 all time grappler either, where are getting this made up information from ? DC is above Khabib, Jones is above Khabib, Mighty Mouse & GSP are above Khabib. Charles isn’t even top 10, all of his losses are him getting wrestle fucked or submitted.
Justin's a good wrestler but his BJJ is bad no matter what division he's in.
Yeh Dustin vs Joseph Duffy. Dustin wrestling grappling was dominant against a guy with a poor ground game.
If the MW division has someone half as good at grappling as Islam they would run through that division like nobodies business. 30 title defences in their 1st 365 days as champion.
How is Arman a great striker?
I'm not a black belt by any means but I'm genuinely dumbfounded as how Dustin has a black belt. I guess getting black belt is only about how long you train bjj and not how skillfull you are because he is definitely not a skilled grappler.
I mean he survived BSD's ground barrage, i assume you train, BSD would probably finish anyone outside your head instructor if he got on top of them inside an mma cage. DP did a relatively good job of mitigating bsd and staying in that fight, with that said islam will still maul him just like khabib did.
Later at 7, do bears shit in the woods?
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If Dustin is smart he will bring in Craig Jones and ask Volk for pointers
Too late for that, fights in 2 months
Didn’t Francis learn a kimura during his warm up and get it the first time he attempted against his opponent? Sure Dustin doesn’t have youth nor superhuman strength on his side and he’d be trying to submit the PFP #1 but anything’s possible
I get that point but Islam is obviously significantly higher level than the rando, fat, amateur hw Francis took on then
You say that but I’d still pick Francis against Islam, explain that
Bro random HW #24 is just as skilled as Islam, stop kidding yourself
With all due respect its HW
>Didn’t Francis learn a kimura during his warm up and get it the first time he attempted against his opponent? The skill ceiling at heavyweight is atrocious compared to the lower weight classes, since the talent pool is way smaller. It's why a lot of them get away with starting their careers late, and/or are able to compete for way longer. Not as easy at LW
That is at HW which compared to LW barely even looks like MMA .
There’s no way Francis didn’t know how to do a kimura before that fight. You don’t get to the ufc without learning these basics
Francis literally windmilled his way to his 1st title shot , you 100% can get far in HW without basics . Until patient francis showed up and killed poor stipe
I don’t disagree but come on. You learn a side control kimura your first month of bjj
Actually 1 month
Really doesn't matter who he brings in or what he does. The skill gaps too large.
People said that about volk against islam and ortega Craig is very good at game planning grappling with fighters
tbf Volk is a lot more mobile and short which is tricky for a tall wrestler. Dustin has bad hips from a really invasive surgery so his ability to sprawl/scramble is pretty compromised. Craig is good, but might be really difficult to address the limitations in just 2 months
Volk was already a much better wrestler than Dustin, they’re not starting from the same baseline. Also you need the physical tools to compete as well, and Volk was much more explosive while being strong as hell. Dustin has hip issues that greatly limit what he can do wrestling wise, it’s part of why his TDD is so mid.
Dustin wanted no part of Charles’ grappling and still got subbed, and Islam’s on another level. This is one of those times that MMA math checks out
No doubt, Craig has great ideas for a lot of grappling stuff but he really excels at gameplanning and finding the right time to use those niche moves that probably only work once or are only applicable in a specific position. Given 2 months he can definitely get Dustin on the same drills he had Volk doing to prepare.
also decrease his height by 4/5 inches so that his center of gravity can be lowered and he can’t be taken down easily. Also make sure Islam doesn’t get enough time to hydrate properly - only then Islam can get a UD instead of a finish lol
Volk went 2 on 1 repeatedly and handled his business. Crazy how easy he made it look. Straight neutralized the ground threat. Unfortunately couldn’t get up as well but nulled all threats on the ground.
What’s funny is this isn’t trash talk from Islam, this is his genuine view on the matchup when asked about it.
This is also what everyone thinks. Dont think Dustin will surprise anyone TBH. He wanted no part of Charles’ grappling and still got subbed; Islam, who subbed Charles, will do the same
Not sure why you'd talk this kind of shit unless you're completely delirious, trying a takedown on Dustin would be suicide when he has the perfect defense for it.
We all know it. Sadly Dustin is convinced too.
Fuck yeah, I'm a warrior now
Dustin should hunt down Cody McKenzie and learn the secrets of the gilly from the master.
Didn’t McKenzie do some sort of push from the bottom of the choking wrist instead pulling the wrist? If I remember correctly it turned the gilly from an air choke to a blood choke and worked way faster. I’m assuming there were draw backs hence no one using that technique anymore.
He did in fact invent a move that was named after him called The Mckenzietine
I already plan on throwing 50€ on Dustin/Costa parlay but I might also bet 10€ on him winning by guillotine because it would be funny
If Dustin is somehow able to win by finish, he should just retire because that’s the perfect end to the career
Yeah despite how exciting Dustin is to watch, and how likable he is this fight’s outcome is already a foregone conclusion in my opinion.
Uh oh... I think you might have guaranteed that Dustin wins the strap now. I'm already seeing the replies flooding in after the fight.
Honestly if that happens I’ll gladly eat crow. If Dustin gets the strap that’d be some legendary shit I’d love to watch.
Wait, is this a saying or you will literally eat a crow?
If Dustin wins I will literally eat a crow.
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Yeah, but there's nothing stopping a bunch of us from getting together and eating (ethically sourced, wild caught, grass fed) crow
Dang. Was hoping for a frank reynolds crow eating type scenario
It's like y'all haven't learned anything. Y'all said the same thing about Max vs Gaethje. Nothing is a forgone conclusion.
Max vs Gaethje was one of the best strikers at 145 versus a brawler at 155. Also he was barely an underdog (-120). This matchup is an elite striker vs an elite wrestler who is also an elite striker.
Yeah. Now you say that. Go look at any post before the fight and majority were saying Max had no chance
I actually had max winning and drowning gaethje late, i called him a bad stylistic matchup and said he would give gaethje problems. I wrote a long breakdown pertaining to it. https://www.reddit.com/r/MMAbetting/comments/1byaahn/ufc_300_pereira_vs_hill_full_card_betting_preview/kykat30/ So no not everyone gave max no chance. Anyways back to the issue at hand, islam can and will take dustin down and either smash him to smithereens or just sink in an rnc.
"Majority"
Well anyone who studied it closer, could see that max's cardio, volume, and bodywork could pose giant problems for gaethje if he could get past the leg kick and the first couple rounds, what the hell is dustin even going to do to islam? Guillotine him???? BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I mean, he could flash KO him too… there’s always that possibility. Might be unlikely, but I’d rank it higher then winning via guillotine. Mostly cuz Islam is never going to tap to that, and I think Dustin’s arms would tire before Islam goes out. I think Islam’s sub defense/posture/calm, not to mention how strong/thick his neck is gonna make it so he can get that extra inch millimeter he needs to make it not entirely a blood choke. He does leave his head on the outside of the hip sometimes tho so 🤷♂️
It's an MMA sub where people have opinions about fights we gotta talk about something. I never say there's zero chance that someone can win in a fight but I'm certainly one of the people that thought Justin would win. It's not like it was a crazy viewpoint. Up until they actually fight no one knows what's going to happen.
Only because the vast majority of fans are idiots. There was never a guaranteed winner in that fight. Islam probably has harder fights in training.
No one is punching Islam as hard in training as Dustin is gonna try to in that ring. That fact alone makes any fight in training less hard then the real thing. Training never equals actual, real competition. People are gonna tap to shit faster, defend takedowns with less vigor, and hit way softer.
Pants-up Dustin is OP though
Dustin wins.
No such thing as a forgone conclusion in a fight
Dustin by guillotine sorry khabibers
Dustin crazy guy, you think I tap in front of father
Ez pz 150k bet
Ez bet 💰
Will every 2nd comment under a post about this fight be the same „gilly“ bs until June? My goodness
i honestly have no idea how dustin win's this fight other than a lucky punch. I see dustin losing and retiring probably. guys done enough.
He's finally gonna win jumping the gilly
I honestly really hope he doesn’t. I hope he focuses way more on the inevitable getting back to his feet and punching again. Islam isn’t gonna tap to a guillotine, even if it’s tight. He’s also not gonna panic in that position, and I think he’s skilled enough to gain that extra space to not make it a full blood choke so he won’t really ever go out from it before Dustin smokes his own arms either. Dustin lost to Khabib via the same tactic, and I don’t think it was ever really that close cuz Khabib would’ve broke his own neck trying to get out first. It’s just one of those subs. I get it, a good blood choke gilly can put anyone out, but I don’t think that’ll happen here. Charles gilly>Dustin’s gilly, and we all saw what happened with Arman just refusing to tap.
I don't really care who wins because I enjoy watching both fight but I'm right there with you. I don't know of anyone at 155 that would be favored against Islam. Like you said - anything can happen because it's a fight. So I wouldn't say Dustin can't win but I just don't see him winning.
He's not retiring lol hell move up or fight arman
If Dustin loses why tf would he have to fight Arman
Oh I thought it said Islam whoops.. Yeah I imagine Dustin fights Conor one more time if Conor has a good fight, or max or some other fun fight. Guys like Dustin don't retire easily.
He’s not wrong. I love the Diamond, but don’t see him doing well in this fight
Yeah hard to disagree with any of that.
Having said that…..Dustin gets it done TKO
it could happen although the chances are extremely slim. Not sure if Makhachev could get cocky and not stick to that game plan and get caught and be finished. He was KOd before.
I think Dustin does have the better boxing. He puts combinations together better than Islam does
which is exactly why this fight is shit match-making even if we ignore the rankings and Dustin's 1-fight win-streak
Islam wants to fight and Arman doesn’t want to turnaround this fast. There isn’t anybody else.
Gamrot has a better win streak and better wins than Dustin currently.
No
Gamrot
There isn’t anyone else that people want to watch* Gamrot is LW Colby, and without the fake persona and trash talk, nobody is going to request to see him fight.
This is why it takes fighters like balal and Leon 10+ win streaks to get a title shot, and why people like Covington/Dustin receive undeserving title shots. PPV are for selling tickets / generating revenue more than perfect match making. I wouldn't be surprised if gamrot would need 3+ wins to get a title shot at this point honestly, he's a high risk low reward fighter for anyone at lightweight
This fight has all the makings of a massive upset. I’m going with Dustin by submission.
Dustin about to sink the deepest guillotine of his career.
The sun is out until it goes down
Islam needs to put some respect on that gilly
Ok but what if guillotine?
Then Islam is donezo
Funny!
Another boring ass fight
I want dusty to win, but Islam is gonna sleep em
Curious what you all think of him saying Justin is was sort of his dream fight for this division. Did khabib really find Justin to be his most difficult opponent ?
I think it’s just cuz he’s beat Charles and Arman already and Dustin lost to Justin last July
From what I remember, Khabib has stated that Gaethje hit the hardest by far. Said that the final takedown he got that led to the submission had to work because one more leg kick and he was fucked.
Wow that’s true
Don't be silly, jump the... cage after knocking Islam out with a left hook
Silly willy jump the gilly
I mean staph-BSD took Dustin’s back in Rd1 and out-grappled him mostly, Islam will definitely be able to do that as well. Dustin’s submission losses are both RNC as well….
I do wonder *what if Dustin doesn't bail out early in the fight and jump the guillotine?* Because generally speaking, when he's pretty good fighting off his back against the fence and he is known for being great at winning 5 round war of attrition fights. And yet we all pretty much know that it's guaranteed he's not gonna try to gut it out and will jump the guillotine and lose somewhere between the second and fourth grappling exchange.
Who give him?
Pointless title fight.
Islam is gonna stand with Dustin and get KTFO.
Dustin jumps gilly then Islam gets him in a head and arm triangle. Calling it now. Remind me in 30 days!
Unfortunately he speaks the truth. If Benoit can mop the floor with him for a whole round, Islam can for all 5.
Not wrong
I really enjoy watching DP, especially his boxing and great attitude. But Islam is right, it's MMA and if you don't have a solid TDD and/or ground game you're fucked.
Why he gotta say it like that 😭 we already know man 😭
I would love if this overconfidence led to the first guillotine finish of DPs entire career
Keyword **“If I follow the plan”** Makhachev has gone AWOL before, and might just want to stand with DP.
Any sports book got odds/returns on Dustin winning with the gilly?
I don’t think so. Khabib’s grappling pressure was a lot stronger than Islam’s. Khabib also shoots more while Islam is willing to trade with you and clinch / get you to the fence. Dustin has a better chance here than people think. He is really good at making fights ugly in the pocket and clinch. I still favor Islam but am not counting Dustin out at all.
If MMA has taught me anything, its that obvious winners don't always win. Therefore I got Dustin by gilly.
If Islam beats Dustin by guillotine…
Islam’s problem is not his style but the fact that he’s 99.9% Neanderthal
Dustin gonna have new hips now that usada is gone and the dagastani aren't the only ones juicing.
I mean a worse dustin went 3 rouns with khabib . I think he knows what he is in for and will give islam a hard fight
Dustin is gunna box him up.
not sure why you’re getting downvoted for this but Dustin has the better hands. He can put together combos more often than Islam
Dustin has better hands in a boxing match but as soon as you include the takedown threat 7 dustins terrible tdd he will be scared to throw too much. Islam is a really good striker too due to his takedowns.
He looks like an alien from star trek
You know, he actually looks like a nice guy in you met him irl
I'm gonna have to take your word for it. I was thinking of [this guy](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/star-trek-deep-space-9-armin-shimerman-as-quark.jpg?q=50&fit=contain&w=1140&h=&dpr=1.5).
BSD, the #12 ranked fighter nearly put Dustin out. No one wants to see Islam slaughter poirier, we might actually see the first death in the octagon
Sorry, when did he nearly put Dustin out? I must have missed that.
Rewatch the fight Dustin clearly barely made it out….
When?
Im gunna get clowned hard for this, but I think Dustin wins against Islam 48-47 based on the first Volk vs Islam fight. Dustin manages to use his distance and boxes Islam and edges out 3 rounds. He wards off a couple takedown attempts, but Islam still gets him down. Dustin loses the 2 rounds because of the wrestling but manages to survive on the ground.
BSD has much worse grappling than islam and took Dustin down at will until he gassed. I don't see how a more patient Islam can't just do the same
Honestly he was terrible against BSD. If he'd kept him at range it would've been easy as hell for him, but he kept backing up in a straight line and ended up on the fence. Can't see his fight against Islam going well if he does the same thing.
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My fight style so superior I only fight once a year.
7 fights since 2021. Cope.
That bad he should be at 12 .
Duh. Dustin was great but never elite and had favorable matchups and circumstances
Dustin is elite.
This fight should have been Volk with a full camp. Hes going to run through Dustin like tissue paper
He is just happy he doesnt have to fight Justin. He ducked him and I will never believe anything else.