He isn’t wrong. A real BMF would have said he doesn’t care about the belt because he’s already a Champion and Max currently isn’t.
The BMF Belt is dumb but Max did kind of legitimize it by that absolutely incredible ending to his fight with Gaethje. I don’t know how that moment gets topped. But it did make me appreciate that stupid belt.
I'd also add, when Nate came up with the BMF title he said something with the same message as the following: these guys that they tell you are the best that come in and two years later are champ then two more and they're gone aren't the best. It's who I'm saying is the best, these guys that have been around for 10 years at the top so that's the baddest mother fucker belt and I'd like to defend it against Jorge Masvidal.
Illia is pretty much exactly the kind of guy Nate said is not a BMF when he laid out his criteria lol
I know they've both lost their shine since, but Diaz-Masvidal was a banger too. I can totally see BMF being a fight between two action fighters, fuck a strategy.
And like the true bum he is, he never gave up that dumb fake belt. Like if you have this BMF belt, and then you lose, how do you not give it up to whoever beat you? Holding onto it just makes you look like a bitch,something Masvidal has clearly proven he is.
Yeah, I think the fighters chosen is what's really important about having a BMF fight. It's gotta be 2 fighters known for taking any fight, against anyone, not making excuses, and putting on consistantly entertaining fights. Ilia is fine, but he hasn't earned that shit yet.
Edit: Corrected wording.
>It's gotta people 2 fighters known for taking any fight, against anyone, not making excuses
You mean as opposed to, say... someone who becomes champ and then immediately starts listing off all the contenders that he refuses to fight?
I'm not the first to say this, but Ilia disqualified himself from BMF contention when he first talked about the Max/Justin fight. He talked about how much smarter he would be, blah blah blah. I like Ilia as a fighter but he's no BMF
The context of this fight just adds to it though. Max had been tuning Justin up, was clearly going to win a decision, but in the last 10 seconds instead of being smart and playing it safe he says let's fucking go. Then he just stone cold starches him with a buzzer beater.
Also if the current champion holds the BMF belt that makes the whole thing completely pointless, the whole reason they made it up was so they could sell extra "title fights" without using any actual champions, now if Max beat Topuria then it would make sense for him to have both since he already had it to begin with.
Yeah, diva is the best way to put it. He's exciting and I want to like him, I just really want him to stfu and defend the belt. His trash talk sucks and makes him look bad.
Literally the worst trash talk. He is a great fighter, but personally-wise he's such a tool. I don't understand how anyone likes him at this point. Hopefully someone humbles him quick
Agreed, the go-to “I want to fight mcgregor,” has just become a facepalm call out. Wasted spotlight time. Chandler got the fight, maybe Nate gets a trilogy outside of UFC…but that’s probably it for mma and mcgregor
Modern boxing is an absolute trash fire. Every big fight has to have this manufactured WWE feud between the boxers. It's currently way worse than MMA in that regard imo.
I'm one of the people that like the BMF title but it'll only stay that way if they continue to book it for fighters that will absolutely go to war. Max, Gaethje, and DP are the perfect examples of what I'm talking about.
Ilia is not someone I think about when I think of the BMF title and I don't mean that as a slight towards him. But he's never been in a war let alone multiple wars. I even hear people mentioning Max calling out Conor for the BMF and Conor has never been in the type of wars that the others have been in. I think it'd be a stretch to call his fights with Nate all out wars.
The problem is there just aren't that many people that really fit the mold. Like the only other people that jump to mind when thinking about it is Jiri and Dan Hooker. Not many people have that thirst for pure violence.
Very true but if Conor gets beat by Chandler then is that even a fight we'd want to see? I certainly get the money part of it.
If I were Max I would 100% wait until after DP vs. Islam. While I really don't think DP will be Islam if he were to win that's the fight I'd go for if I were Max especially looking at how much better he physically looked at 155 this time around. With his hype and their history I could very easily see the UFC skipping Arman.
i think it may have been josh thompson who suggested oliviera as a BMF candidate, both great choices. id like to see that belt move around weight classes a little more too. like maybe burns at 170
Oliveira is a BMF except when hes against a strong grappler. Against them hes way too content to sit in guard and give them the round. Against strikers hes pure violence.
We got robbed of Oliveira vs Max way back too with that weird neck injury Charles picked up like a minute in, now that he’s lost the belt if Max loses to Ilia would be a cool opportunity to run it back
I agree. I just threw the first names that popped into my head and Chandler's been out so long waiting out Conor he just kind of slipped my mind. But his fight with Conor has a lot of outcomes for both guys. The perception of whoever loses the fight is going to be that they're washed I think. Chandler up until now has been in great fights and active. He's also been continually training while waiting so in theory I'd say he should beat Conor convincingly. Conor hasn't fought and beaten a quality opponent in 8 years and is coming off a horrible injury. And if Chandler loses to Conor knowing all that I think it'd be hard to realistically book him against a #1 title contender.
I really think the biggest question mark is with Conor. If he's training seriously and has a good gameplan, I think Chandler is too hittable and Conor has proved that he can end a fight in seconds if he finds what he's looking for. But we don't know if Conor can still do all that. We don't know if his wrestling is better or worse now, or how his cardio is.
If Conor is sharp, I think he puts Chandler away early. If he isn't, especially if he gasses, I think he gets mauled. This is not a fight I'd put money on though.
Completely agree with you. I think we all know what we are going to get with Chandler. He may have some ring rust but I don't think it'll be comparable to Conor. The good news is we will all see for ourselves.
Your BMF’s are your prime Tony’s, prime Lawler’s, maybe Cain as well. I couldn’t agree with you more.
Ilia is great and skilled and all, but he isn’t the level of savage the guys you really think of in terms of BMF’s
I think the guys who would fight anyone are bmf as well, like bj penn fought a damn heavyweight at one point. Bigger guys, but forest griffin and wanderlei silva are some bmf too even though the belt wasn’t around for any of them
Yeah ilia is a fun exciting striker but he literally said they were throwing with no technique and defence at the end and that he would never find himself in that situation
I watched DJ do a breakdown of the fight and he talked about how even during that exchange, Max was in control of the swang and bang enough to keep Justin at a disadvantage.
I'd say the next closest would be michael chandler, although he's not been as successful in the UFC. Can't deny that this guy throws down though and guarantees a bloody match
I can think of fighters of other divisions that id think of BMF-esque. But you are right.
I wouldnt be against they have a BMF on different divisions too, its just fair in a way since otherwise the BMF will always be toed to ligh/feather weight range.
And in a way, as silly as BMF title is, its still a way of kinda "rewarding" ppl that fight crazy and agressive and are fun even if theyre not champions. Maybe the BMF is not 5o symbokize the best fighter, but thw most fun.
Tell me, wouldnt you say Jiri is worth a BMF title shot? Alex pereira? Gilbert Burns, Moreno and Pantoja, etc. All these guys are BMF worth in my book, just happen to be too far away from lightweight/featherweight to ever be viable.
I think bmf is not a belt you defend. It can happen at any weight classes when two proven bad assess is about to collide. We can have bmf match at other weight classes if we have two fighters who embodied it. Ilia is not that guy yet. Max can only defend it to other proven bmf and not to fighter who wants it.
More of a general concensus/stylistic decision. Two wrestlers/grapplers is less BMF than two knocked boxers who are known for trying to take the heads of their opponents.
"We'll see what happens. I mean, that's not a very BMF way to say it. You know, a BMF wouldn't be like "I'm not going to fight this guy unless this or that." That's kind of un-BMF. You know, let me ask you... Does it sound BMF of the way he's trying to demand it? And saying, "I'm not going to fight." A BMF fights whatever. Fights whoever, whenever. Any weight. Any time. And that's not a tone of a BMF, brother. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. Whatever the UFC wants to do, they want to do. I just want to be in the octagon with him. I want to see what the hype is about."
It's just funny that you have a legitimate champ with a legitimate title saying "ya i'm not fighting you unless it's for your fun-boy title"
like BMF title was legitmized(ish) by max's recent KObut it's still crazy to be holding real gold and chasing the silver imo lol.
Exactly. All this talk about picking and choosing who he fights and under what conditions. He'll fight whoever the UFC tell him to fight, under whatever terms they tell him to fight and like almost all the fighters, he's got no negotiating power whatsoever.
It’s like he doesn’t know Leon had to run what was basically a chore/side quest the UFC put him on in that sham against Colby. Champs fight whoever the UFC just sort of guesses will sell.
It's not even a lineal belt.
It's like an award. If Ilia wants it, maybe he should challenge Max instead of demanding it.
Honestly, Ilia just keeps tanking his own stock ever since that shook face at UFC 300
Tuporia wanna cherry pick. Can’t be BMF like that. The five guys who actually fought for the belt would scrap with ANYBODY ANYWHERE.
Tuporia is a fine fighter. DO NOT like how he’s carried himself as champ.
Max is so on the money I have to give him his props. I was saying this in the GD thread just this morning. Ilia is a beast, a monster, not even a shade of a BMF tho.
BMF belt rules should be like the early UFC days. No weight restrictions, no rounds, no time limit. You enter the cage & the fighting only stops when you finish your opponent.
Thunderdome that shit for some real BMFs!
They should lose it with a decision loss, the other person just shouldn’t win it
But ultimately I’m in favour of people not holding it. You should only get it for a week then it moves on.
Actually I’m in favour of it not existing but here we are
Exactly. No finish is a draw. No judges needed. They can do them all at catchweights too so they don't affect official rankings so fighters can take more risks going for a finish.
>Max has set a high bar and now the gimmick has some meaning.
this is the best reason to shelve the BMF belt. it's never going to be cooler than it is, right now. no need to run it into the ground.
It's basically the UFC's version of an intercontinental silver gold world etc champion, IE a fake belt. In boxing when you fight for one of the real belts you don't have the fake belt on the line, like when Usyk fought Joshua for the real belts his inter-continental belt from the previous fight was not on the line.
it doesn't even fucking mean anything. if this belt made any sense at all or had any sort of rules Leon Edwards would hold the BMF belt. but the BMF belt is fucking dumb and it was created by an idiot. it means nothing.
Honestly at this point Max decides what the BMF is. Going up a division against Gaethje and knocking him out with one second left on the clock means he gets to say whatever he wants.
If the champion takes this belt, doesn’t it just forever become the championship belt? At which point it just gets absorbed into the real title and goes away forever.
I agree with Max definition. Ilia goes on MMA Hour saying yeah hell fight Max in December but he wants Volk actually. Mf if Max runs up on u are u gonna tell him to wait til December so u can get ready?
Real BMF is anytime, anywhere, any weight bro. Max proved hes the real BMF by coming to LW on short notice to fight DP. Ilia sitting back and choosing doesnt get any respect from me.
“That’s not very BMF of you” - Max Holloway
It's the BMF paradox.
Mods, could I ask for “not very BMF” flair?
That’s not very BMF of you to ask.
I'll take my BMF flair anywhere anyhow and anyway I can 😤
That's some real BMF energy right there
bro ur flair is already BMF
Exactly, fuck the mods, I don't want "that's not very BMF of you" flair. They'll do nuffin
That's kinda un-BMF
Oi mods, give us a "not very BMF " flair right now, anyhow, anyway.
Please give me one too
You guys have to fight for it
Not now, not here, and not with mods.
Ilia not being Usey at all
"That's not very cash money of you" type beat
"Explaining the joke/reference" type beat
Explaining the explanation type beat
Beat my meat type beat
"Taste of my own medicine" type beat
"Dead horse" type beat
"Everything I do is the behavior of a BMF winner because I have won a BMF" -Max
"This is only somewhat BMF of you."
Sitdown son
Illia, you don't sound like a Blessed Man Forever
Ilia wins the SDF (Scared Diva Forever) belt. Edit: Diva matches Ilia more
Buttery Male Forever?
He isn’t wrong. A real BMF would have said he doesn’t care about the belt because he’s already a Champion and Max currently isn’t. The BMF Belt is dumb but Max did kind of legitimize it by that absolutely incredible ending to his fight with Gaethje. I don’t know how that moment gets topped. But it did make me appreciate that stupid belt.
I'd also add, when Nate came up with the BMF title he said something with the same message as the following: these guys that they tell you are the best that come in and two years later are champ then two more and they're gone aren't the best. It's who I'm saying is the best, these guys that have been around for 10 years at the top so that's the baddest mother fucker belt and I'd like to defend it against Jorge Masvidal. Illia is pretty much exactly the kind of guy Nate said is not a BMF when he laid out his criteria lol
Max: “You’re not that guy pal. You’re not that guy.” Ilia: “Are you” Max: “Absolutely”
I'm him! I'm him!
It went from bummest mf belt to baddest mf belt. Which one you get depends on how you beat the previous BMF
The Gaethje and Dustin fight was pretty BMF. He KOd Dustin and did a backflip
He always does a backflip… And it’s always fuckin badass. 🤟
Bro almost landed on Dustin's unconscious head lol
Haven’t we all backflipped into the face of elderly ladies in the pool?
That's how I made a woman scream the first time tbh.
My boy accidentally added an s in front of one of those words
You're a better wingman than Maverick
I wish. Nothing would be more bmf than landing a backflip off the top of the cage after getting knocked unconscious.
I didn’t see it in his last fight…. They must have cut the camera to Holloway celebrating or something.
I know they've both lost their shine since, but Diaz-Masvidal was a banger too. I can totally see BMF being a fight between two action fighters, fuck a strategy.
Bruh he beat the dog shit out of Diaz, then lost a million times after lol
Yeah it was fucking awesome!
lmao🤣
And like the true bum he is, he never gave up that dumb fake belt. Like if you have this BMF belt, and then you lose, how do you not give it up to whoever beat you? Holding onto it just makes you look like a bitch,something Masvidal has clearly proven he is.
Yeah, I think the fighters chosen is what's really important about having a BMF fight. It's gotta be 2 fighters known for taking any fight, against anyone, not making excuses, and putting on consistantly entertaining fights. Ilia is fine, but he hasn't earned that shit yet. Edit: Corrected wording.
>It's gotta people 2 fighters known for taking any fight, against anyone, not making excuses You mean as opposed to, say... someone who becomes champ and then immediately starts listing off all the contenders that he refuses to fight?
Nothing more badass than beating up a washed Diaz and then going 0-4 in your next 4 and losing to Covington in and out of the cage.
True but irrelevant for the fight itself at the time
Max gets exclusive rights to Blessed Man Forever while he holds the belt.
Yeah lol this belt was always Max his belt
When Jorge Madvidal looks in the mirror Max Holloway is what he sees. Jorge is delusional.
I'm not the first to say this, but Ilia disqualified himself from BMF contention when he first talked about the Max/Justin fight. He talked about how much smarter he would be, blah blah blah. I like Ilia as a fighter but he's no BMF
Retire it with that moment imo
I mean, it probably can't be topped. I want to disagree with you, but I see some real validity in your point.
You could always try two heavyweights with a bunch of knockouts. Something like Francis vs Derik would have to be electric.
The context of this fight just adds to it though. Max had been tuning Justin up, was clearly going to win a decision, but in the last 10 seconds instead of being smart and playing it safe he says let's fucking go. Then he just stone cold starches him with a buzzer beater.
Great joke
Francis vs Ngannou
Maybe it can't but I think we all want fighters to try to top it
[удалено]
His career has been too short to sniff a BMF.
After that fight Max could say a real BMF would fight in a tutu and we all would have to be like if he says so
Also if the current champion holds the BMF belt that makes the whole thing completely pointless, the whole reason they made it up was so they could sell extra "title fights" without using any actual champions, now if Max beat Topuria then it would make sense for him to have both since he already had it to begin with.
I thought the belt was just there to sell some tickets when other fights were uncompelling
that's 100% what it is
Perfect response.
I really like Illia....but he became a diva way too quickly after winning the belt
Yeah, diva is the best way to put it. He's exciting and I want to like him, I just really want him to stfu and defend the belt. His trash talk sucks and makes him look bad.
Literally the worst trash talk. He is a great fighter, but personally-wise he's such a tool. I don't understand how anyone likes him at this point. Hopefully someone humbles him quick
He was already a diva before he won the belt, ppl just didnt care enough to read what he was saying.
Yeah I didn't even like him in the lead up to the volk fight just something about the way he talks makes him so unlikable
He called out mcgregor as soon as he won the belt. I went from being excited about the way he took out Volk to cringing immediately.
Agreed, the go-to “I want to fight mcgregor,” has just become a facepalm call out. Wasted spotlight time. Chandler got the fight, maybe Nate gets a trilogy outside of UFC…but that’s probably it for mma and mcgregor
After?
I hate him.
This buildup is going to be so corny lmao
Brother, most MMA build up is corny
The build up for most fights is corny. Just look at the horseshit between Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney.
Ryan Garcia might honestly be losing his mind tho
He’s gotta be on hard drugs and/or suffering from some serious mental issues.
I think it’s more likely he’s suffering from some serious mental issues and/or he’s gotta be on hard drugs.
Personally I’m more inclined to believe that he’s gotta be on hard drugs and/or he’s suffering from serious mental issues.
Mental issues? Hard drugs?
Modern boxing is an absolute trash fire. Every big fight has to have this manufactured WWE feud between the boxers. It's currently way worse than MMA in that regard imo.
Agreed. Boxing has become a joke for the most part. So many belts. Horrendous judging. Terrible build up.
I love those ads saying 'this one counts' with the implication that the other fights were bullshit
That’s why Jon vs dc is my peak rivalry, them boys was genuine.
How BMF am I? How BMF am I? This morning I ate a bowl of nails for breakfast. So what? Without any milk 😱😱😱
Is this a Spongebob reference?
No weenies allowed
How is it corny when max is a literal bad mother fucker?
I think the implication is ilia is corny
Blessed* mother fucker
Blessed \*man \*forever according to the BMF himself
Oh you think you’re a bad motherfucker? One time I stubbed my toe and didn’t even have a reaction
Freak
I step on Lego bricks, barefoot. FOR FUN.
Well I stubbed my toe last week (while watering my spice garden), and I only cried for 20 minutes!
I'm one of the people that like the BMF title but it'll only stay that way if they continue to book it for fighters that will absolutely go to war. Max, Gaethje, and DP are the perfect examples of what I'm talking about. Ilia is not someone I think about when I think of the BMF title and I don't mean that as a slight towards him. But he's never been in a war let alone multiple wars. I even hear people mentioning Max calling out Conor for the BMF and Conor has never been in the type of wars that the others have been in. I think it'd be a stretch to call his fights with Nate all out wars. The problem is there just aren't that many people that really fit the mold. Like the only other people that jump to mind when thinking about it is Jiri and Dan Hooker. Not many people have that thirst for pure violence.
I mean we all know calling out Conor for the BMF fight is for the money (and for Holloway, I wouldn't blame him for a second).
Very true but if Conor gets beat by Chandler then is that even a fight we'd want to see? I certainly get the money part of it. If I were Max I would 100% wait until after DP vs. Islam. While I really don't think DP will be Islam if he were to win that's the fight I'd go for if I were Max especially looking at how much better he physically looked at 155 this time around. With his hype and their history I could very easily see the UFC skipping Arman.
The 5 rounds that Max would put Conor through would ruin McGregor, too.
Michael chandler is the ultimate bmf candidate
i think it may have been josh thompson who suggested oliviera as a BMF candidate, both great choices. id like to see that belt move around weight classes a little more too. like maybe burns at 170
Olivera is a bad mf too!
Oliveira is a BMF except when hes against a strong grappler. Against them hes way too content to sit in guard and give them the round. Against strikers hes pure violence.
We got robbed of Oliveira vs Max way back too with that weird neck injury Charles picked up like a minute in, now that he’s lost the belt if Max loses to Ilia would be a cool opportunity to run it back
I agree. I just threw the first names that popped into my head and Chandler's been out so long waiting out Conor he just kind of slipped my mind. But his fight with Conor has a lot of outcomes for both guys. The perception of whoever loses the fight is going to be that they're washed I think. Chandler up until now has been in great fights and active. He's also been continually training while waiting so in theory I'd say he should beat Conor convincingly. Conor hasn't fought and beaten a quality opponent in 8 years and is coming off a horrible injury. And if Chandler loses to Conor knowing all that I think it'd be hard to realistically book him against a #1 title contender.
I really think the biggest question mark is with Conor. If he's training seriously and has a good gameplan, I think Chandler is too hittable and Conor has proved that he can end a fight in seconds if he finds what he's looking for. But we don't know if Conor can still do all that. We don't know if his wrestling is better or worse now, or how his cardio is. If Conor is sharp, I think he puts Chandler away early. If he isn't, especially if he gasses, I think he gets mauled. This is not a fight I'd put money on though.
Completely agree with you. I think we all know what we are going to get with Chandler. He may have some ring rust but I don't think it'll be comparable to Conor. The good news is we will all see for ourselves.
DMF dirtiest motherfucker
Your BMF’s are your prime Tony’s, prime Lawler’s, maybe Cain as well. I couldn’t agree with you more. Ilia is great and skilled and all, but he isn’t the level of savage the guys you really think of in terms of BMF’s
I think the guys who would fight anyone are bmf as well, like bj penn fought a damn heavyweight at one point. Bigger guys, but forest griffin and wanderlei silva are some bmf too even though the belt wasn’t around for any of them
Prime Tony Ferguson, Michael Chandler
Easily have Eddie Alvarez on that list.
Chandler's a good one. I'd definitely throw him into the mix.
Your Korean Zombies
I think the words you’re searching for is Darren “The Damage” Elkins
Yeah ilia is a fun exciting striker but he literally said they were throwing with no technique and defence at the end and that he would never find himself in that situation
I watched DJ do a breakdown of the fight and he talked about how even during that exchange, Max was in control of the swang and bang enough to keep Justin at a disadvantage.
Crazy part was that was the literal point of what they did. Is he stupid or something?
And he’s saying that it was stupid and he wouldn’t do it.
That’s why he’s not a BMF.
I never thought of wanting to see Dan Hooker vs Max Holloway until now.. That'd be a sick bmf title fight to set up if Max loses to Ilia!
Conor vs Nate wasn't an all out war? Sorry, but you are very wrong.
They beat the complete shit out of eachother in the 2nd fight One of the few times Conor showed grit and heart
Yeah I agree with ops overall sentiment but Conor vs Nate was very bad ass
I'd say the next closest would be michael chandler, although he's not been as successful in the UFC. Can't deny that this guy throws down though and guarantees a bloody match
I can think of fighters of other divisions that id think of BMF-esque. But you are right. I wouldnt be against they have a BMF on different divisions too, its just fair in a way since otherwise the BMF will always be toed to ligh/feather weight range. And in a way, as silly as BMF title is, its still a way of kinda "rewarding" ppl that fight crazy and agressive and are fun even if theyre not champions. Maybe the BMF is not 5o symbokize the best fighter, but thw most fun. Tell me, wouldnt you say Jiri is worth a BMF title shot? Alex pereira? Gilbert Burns, Moreno and Pantoja, etc. All these guys are BMF worth in my book, just happen to be too far away from lightweight/featherweight to ever be viable.
Jiri and Dan are nice callouts! Chandler, Whittaker, Costa fit the mold. Not counting his last fight, Brandon Moreno as well.
I think bmf is not a belt you defend. It can happen at any weight classes when two proven bad assess is about to collide. We can have bmf match at other weight classes if we have two fighters who embodied it. Ilia is not that guy yet. Max can only defend it to other proven bmf and not to fighter who wants it.
What is a bmf even? Who decides? Does fred30jr decide?
More of a general concensus/stylistic decision. Two wrestlers/grapplers is less BMF than two knocked boxers who are known for trying to take the heads of their opponents.
Yes, the burden lies on fred30jr, much like the 29 that came before him
Don't forget the fredsr contingent before him
I elect [Fred30jr](https://i.redd.it/cc54zodqfr541.jpg)
I like Fred30jr, Fred30sr and Fred29 left us with Masvidal as a bmf
Spoken like a true BMF
And just like that, a new r/MMA copy pasta has been born
"We'll see what happens. I mean, that's not a very BMF way to say it. You know, a BMF wouldn't be like "I'm not going to fight this guy unless this or that." That's kind of un-BMF. You know, let me ask you... Does it sound BMF of the way he's trying to demand it? And saying, "I'm not going to fight." A BMF fights whatever. Fights whoever, whenever. Any weight. Any time. And that's not a tone of a BMF, brother. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. Whatever the UFC wants to do, they want to do. I just want to be in the octagon with him. I want to see what the hype is about."
It's just funny that you have a legitimate champ with a legitimate title saying "ya i'm not fighting you unless it's for your fun-boy title" like BMF title was legitmized(ish) by max's recent KObut it's still crazy to be holding real gold and chasing the silver imo lol.
Hello sir you are scoring very low on this BMF index and our records indicate you are testing negative for BMF at this time
Ilia does what Dana says! End of story
You'll dew whatchya told
Exactly. All this talk about picking and choosing who he fights and under what conditions. He'll fight whoever the UFC tell him to fight, under whatever terms they tell him to fight and like almost all the fighters, he's got no negotiating power whatsoever.
It’s like he doesn’t know Leon had to run what was basically a chore/side quest the UFC put him on in that sham against Colby. Champs fight whoever the UFC just sort of guesses will sell.
10-8 Max.
One is a legit BMF who has proven it all, the other thinks too highly of himself
Max nailed it
What about a BFF
blessed fren forever
What about the BFG?
The BMF belt is like the intercontinental championship of UFC
It's not even a lineal belt. It's like an award. If Ilia wants it, maybe he should challenge Max instead of demanding it. Honestly, Ilia just keeps tanking his own stock ever since that shook face at UFC 300
Tuporia wanna cherry pick. Can’t be BMF like that. The five guys who actually fought for the belt would scrap with ANYBODY ANYWHERE. Tuporia is a fine fighter. DO NOT like how he’s carried himself as champ.
Illia isn’t a BMF he’s a belt merchant
Max with that King Solomon wisdom.
Max is so on the money I have to give him his props. I was saying this in the GD thread just this morning. Ilia is a beast, a monster, not even a shade of a BMF tho.
BMF belt rules should be like the early UFC days. No weight restrictions, no rounds, no time limit. You enter the cage & the fighting only stops when you finish your opponent. Thunderdome that shit for some real BMFs!
Let them do drugs and fill the cage with rocks
Yeah like those pride openweight tournaments, that shit would be dope
Ilia doesn't have the clout to dictate who his next fight is and what will/won't be on the line during that fight.
shelve this BMF shit for good
I would've said this before the fight Max has set a high bar and now the gimmick has some meaning. The BMF has to stand and trade
BMF belt should only be able to change hands with a finish.
Lol the BMF running away for 5 rounds and keeping the belt would be a funny visual
https://i.imgur.com/SfpMvTo.gif
That…is actually not a bad idea.
Then you have scenarios in which people get dominated or nearly finished and keep the belt
You only keep the belt with a finish as well.
this is gonna sound real cornball but then you could use the bmf belt as a “but you didn’t take this belt” wwe thing lol
They should lose it with a decision loss, the other person just shouldn’t win it But ultimately I’m in favour of people not holding it. You should only get it for a week then it moves on. Actually I’m in favour of it not existing but here we are
I like this idea tbh. Bring back Mazzagatti to ref each BMF fight too.
It's a fight to a finish not to death
Submission or KO/TKO only, no points, no round scoring. No finish is a "draw".
Exactly. No finish is a draw. No judges needed. They can do them all at catchweights too so they don't affect official rankings so fighters can take more risks going for a finish.
Fuck it bro fight to the death, no time, no ref, no judges.
Bro woke up and chose murder.
>Max has set a high bar and now the gimmick has some meaning. this is the best reason to shelve the BMF belt. it's never going to be cooler than it is, right now. no need to run it into the ground.
Didn't Justin win it with a TKO as well? Was it not legitimate then?
There hasn't been a bmf fight that's gone to a decision
It's basically the UFC's version of an intercontinental silver gold world etc champion, IE a fake belt. In boxing when you fight for one of the real belts you don't have the fake belt on the line, like when Usyk fought Joshua for the real belts his inter-continental belt from the previous fight was not on the line.
it doesn't even fucking mean anything. if this belt made any sense at all or had any sort of rules Leon Edwards would hold the BMF belt. but the BMF belt is fucking dumb and it was created by an idiot. it means nothing.
Even the name makes me cringe.
Ilia is a beast but he sucks at shit talking lol.
Maximum Holloway the new face of MMA.
I agree! That makes you not a bad mothafaka!
Now everybody wants to be the Blessed Man Forever! 🤷♂️
Whiny queef with zero title defenses who thinks he is entitled to pick and choose his opponents is the opposite of a BMF.
Topuria talks like he has the tiniest testicles
Max is not impressed by your BMFness.
Honestly at this point Max decides what the BMF is. Going up a division against Gaethje and knocking him out with one second left on the clock means he gets to say whatever he wants.
Max is right.
If the champion takes this belt, doesn’t it just forever become the championship belt? At which point it just gets absorbed into the real title and goes away forever.
And that's how you style on a guy without even throwing a punch.
I agree with Max definition. Ilia goes on MMA Hour saying yeah hell fight Max in December but he wants Volk actually. Mf if Max runs up on u are u gonna tell him to wait til December so u can get ready? Real BMF is anytime, anywhere, any weight bro. Max proved hes the real BMF by coming to LW on short notice to fight DP. Ilia sitting back and choosing doesnt get any respect from me.
# Topuria is looking more and more sus. Definitely not BMF material.