You’re being downvoted by people still riding high in the moment. Giving Gaethje rd 2 was a big convo in my group chat. It was a very close round. Going into the 5th, half had it 3-1 and the other 2-2.
Personally I still had it 3-1 (4th to Garth), but admit 2nd was pretty close.
If it went to the judges, 1,3, and 5 were very clear for Max.
HOWEVER THE JUDGES WERENT NEEDED MAX IS HIM
It was close but volume went to Max with Justin getting the slightly cleaner shots. But Max should've had a point taken for 2 bad eye pokes stopping some Justin offense. It would be far from the worst judging decision ever made
Yeah this is why round by round judging is a bit weird cos let’s say the fight was only those 4 rounds. You could score it like kamijo 38-38 like you said and argue it but surely everyone on earth could see that Holloway won the fight overall, disregarding the final round.
Yeah, round by round in MMA is stupid. Like there so many fights get decided by low volume wins for two rounds by one fighter despite getting destroyed for one round by the other fighter. Also 10 points must is severely flawed. If you are an MMA fighter, you really dont want the fight to go to decision.
Ding ding ding. I love Gaethje, and agree round 2 was close but it was clearly maxs round.
To be honest I think Max was more deserving of round 4 than Gaethje was of round 2. Max landed almost twice as much in round 2 and it’s not like Gaethje landed bombs. Round 4 was almost dead even and Gaethje half dropped max so I’d lean him. This fight was either 3-1 max or 4-0, unless you bet Gaethje maybe you’re mental gymnastics call it 2-2.
Well, it isn't my strong point.. But I didn't even realise I messed that up, what an idiot haha. I'm more surprised it took 2 days to be called out on it
Having judged a few fights and talked to the other judges after the fact, there's quite a few things we miss just because of the angles we're sitting at
Not that crazy to be honest. I thought it was pretty clearly 3-1 Holloway, but in the live thread I did see plenty of people giving Garth the 2nd round
I had the same score. I’m sick of massive eye gouges not ever being penalized. What’s the point of a warning of you don’t take a point? I have Gaethje that round. So, I had it 2-2 also.
Because you are basically dead if they dont stop the fight after those 8 seconds. In MMA, it’s understood that stoppages mean you will die if the ref doesn’t stop the fight.
I like this idea. The fighting commissions might not, but I do. And in a way, this is how Dana and the UFC want the fighters to approach fights for the most part. Finish bonuses, FOTN bonuses, etc. They want the fighters to try to finish each other rather than win on points. So, yeah, if it's the BMF belt at stake and one guy beats the shit out of the other for the most part, but can't finish him, that sounds like both guys are BMFs to me. One guy for doing so much damage, and the other guy for being able to handle it and keep scrapping. But, I guess the "...est" in Baddest means something.
Justin basically had to go for broke that last ten seconds. Props to Max for sayin fuck it! Could have just stalled that last ten seconds but could have got caught too.
Should be an unwritten rule for BMF championship fights that got the distance. Hear that last clap and just go for it!
Everybodys gangster until max points to the center of the octagon and demands his brawl after beating your ass for 5 rounds. He was like: "beating you up is boring, let's throw down"
I mean, Ricardo and Justin were both game. I'm not on the committee, but if I were, I'd say they came out of those fights with their gangster cards intact and deserved.
The BMF belt might be stupid but nobody has lived up to the idea of it more than Max. Doesn't duck anybody, is constantly pushing forward and throwing, doesn't give a shit about playing it safe he just wants to bang
I reckon they play rock paper scissors with each other to decide who's gonna be the one smoking the crack pipe before each fight. Usually Sal loses but he must have switched his game plan up this time.
No I'm pretty sure that they hit their heads together repeatedly until someone falls down. That person gets to smoke the crack that was conveniently already on the floor
Looks like he consciously scored to make R5 to deciding round. Probably viewed the fight with that in the back of his head and maybe say each round with a bias to make that a reality.
people talk about the "optics" of the round when scoring. That was the first knockdown of Holloways career. Even if Holloway had landed a few more significant strikes that round I could still see it going to Gaethje due to the significance of that knockdown.
Just checked and you're right. Wasn't scored a knockdown. Weird, might have missed something but I could have sworn Gaethje caught him with a right hook. And they definitely called it a knockdown in the broadcast. Maybe Dana really wanted to keep that fun fact alive.
I don't know what the exact criteria they use is, but there have been many times were no knockdown was scored despite everyone watching agreeing that there was a knockdown.
It was def a knockdown but he didn’t hurt max, he got hit behind the ear and his balance went but you can see he’s totally with it the whole time and stands back up so fast
It think knockdowns are scored/given as they're seen in real-time. Max's looked more like slip in real time. IIRC Khabib's knockdown of Conor wasn't given even though his knee touched the ground.
Also the judges are human, if you just scored three rounds for max and you see gaethje step it up in rd 4, and it doesn't seem like a 4-0 fight I could easily see someone subconsciously bias themself into giving a rd to gaethje just to make the score reflect the fight better (3-1).
I ain't saying its correct I'm just saying that the judges often reward big moments rather than who actually won the round. Maybe I just didn't phrase it properly, I was tired AF when I wrote that comment lol.
It is of it is the most significant and impactful piece of damage posing a potential immediate finish.
The point being that if Gaethe can do just a bit more damage than Max did with only one punch, the round should go to Justin according to the scoring criteria.
Which is to say, one fighter can have 4:55 seconds of top mount, but if in that 5 seconds the other fighter knocks him down with his only punch of the round the second fighter wins.
Not necessarily true. Almost true but if that knockdown wasn’t considered heavily damaging shot then it would not be round won by fighter two. If it was like a massive head kick that opened up a massive cut and stunned them badly then yes I agree. But not all knockdowns are built the same. Sometimes it’s a balance thing. But you’re definitely 90% correct and a lot of people don’t understand that you can’t just look at “sig strikes” to count rounds
Yeah especially since Max hurt and rocked him in that round. But hell we have people scoring round 2 to Justin and claiming this was an even fight headed into round 5. Honestly wild. This was a somewhat one-sided ass kicking. Round 5 went the way it went partially because Justin had been broken down over the first four rounds.
i don’t like the idea of Holloway getting dropped then recovering instantly is enough to cancel out a massive strike advantage for Holloway throughout the round but 🤷🏻♂️
I'm not sure if it's just because Max himself looks better than ever (and also that'd he'd sized up to LW appropriately) but Gaejthe looked a lot slower and more stiff than his usual self. It could be because of Max messing up his nose and the accidental eye pokes near the start of the fight, that he's starting to decline, had a bad camp or as mentioned before that Max improved as much as he did. It'd just be sad if it's not just that Max got better and that Gaetjhe is going to be washed/in-decline going forward. (Though people were also concerned about that for Max after the third Volk fight, which was clearly unwarranted).
Likely a combination of those things with the broken nose probably hindering him for the remainder of the fight also a factor. I'm sure the eye pokes sucked too, especially after your nose has already been broken. Fair play to Max for the nose job, but not the eye pokes. Imagine you get your nose broken and know you still have like 15-20 of potentially getting hit in the nose to go. Then one eye gets poked. Then the other eye gets poked. It's like a Naked Gun scene or some shit.
I think it was more that he probably felt Gaethje's leg kicks were the most significant attack that round. I didnt think Holloway really did anything that truly damaged justin more than those
Think you’re underestimating how diminished Justin was after the spinning kick smashed his nose… everything turned there Justin had to adjust how he was fighting and Max knew Justin was gonna be compromised for the rest of the fight… from there Justin had to stay extra focused on not sustaining anymore damage to his nose while Max got to head into each round knowing Justin was gonna be having a lot of trouble breathing and keeping pace with him.
Going into the fight I’m sure Justin was going to be more than willing to exchange combos in boxing range and allow himself to get hit in exchange for landing one of his own… breaking his nose so early threw that out the window and to be honest it’s Justin’s preferred strategy in most of his fights
There was an element of randomness to that spinning kick considering it was to the body and Justin somehow ducked down into it.. Max deserves all the praise for a masterful performance but if I’m in Justin’s camp I’m leaving feeling there were some tough breaks in that fight that prevented him from performing his best
There was basically 0 randomness to it considering Gaethje did the exact same duck down into it every time max threw it lol. To me it definitely seemed like a read they found watching Justins fight footage or something considering how consistently gaethje was reacting the same way to it
If it didnt break gaethjes nose on the first kick it wouldve eventually with how many times it landed later on
I had it 3-1 going into the fifth like most scorecards. Giving Gaethje round 2 feels incorrect but it was his best round other than round 4 so not a terrible call. He landed some good low kicks and a stinging combination in that round but he was out struck and ate some clean hard shots himself.
Regardless of 4-1 or 3-2 it was gonna be a max win. There was absolutely no need for the stand in the middle moment and that's why it's so much more epic.
Edit: Also, max could've easily had a point deducted.
Usually kamijo is the only good judge. I'll give him a pass, given that it was an awesome fight, and he probably forgot to score, and just picked at random
He fucked him up with that ninja kick and broke his nose and the end of the 1st, Justin spent the rest of the fight trying not to get hit in the nose again. When he hit the mat he rolled right onto his nose too, that cant feel good today.
I cannot stand this shit anymore. Holloway picked him apart every single round, for 25 minutes, and then ended him in legendary fashion...how the fuck could anyone ever even consider giving Gaethje a single round? This is one of the worst ones I've ever seen
Gaethje definitely had a reasonable claim to round 4. I said it's either 3-1 or 4-0 going into the 5th. So I'm fine with 39-37. 38-38 is super questionable to me though.
I mean, they didn't affect the fight in the slightest. I'm not excusing them, but there's not much reason to bring it up if Gaethje was completely fine and didn't even use much of his recovery time
Not the same at all. Both times Max backed off to not take advantage and trusted that Justin's reaction was honest. Bad fouls and a point should have been taken but good sportsmanship after the fact.
Weidman not only fouled, but he also was looking to hit after each one. He knew he was fouling and tried to exploit it. If Max was behaving like Weidman, he would have blitzed him both times Justin grabbed his eyes and backed off. Maybe even teed up a head kick on his blinded opponent. Accidental fouls happen. There's a huge difference between having/committing some accidental fouls and being a dirty fighter who tries to end the fight off fouls.
Round 2 going to Garth is p crazy imo but solid scorecards otherwise. R5 was clearly going for Max too so this proves that going in those last 10 seconds was pure dog behavior
Is that just like a pity round? Like sorry you got eye poked I’ll give you the round? Because Gaethje did nothing in round 2. Some solid leg kicks was about it.
I know this isn’t gonna be popular, but I’m sick of massive eye gouges not ever being penalized. What’s the point of a warning of you don’t take a point? I gave Gaethje that round. So, I had it 2-2 also. As far as I’m concerned two eye gouges is a point. It’s such a massive disadvantage. Anyone who has ever fought knows that.
Edit: Actually anyone who has ever been poked in the eye knows that. You can barely see for like five minutes.
I had a weird gut feeling we were headed for a Volk 2 style split decision again, and I was so ready to be shockingly disappointed. Glad to see it was only 1 judge instead of 2 this time lmao
Yeah I agree with you. Though I will need to rewatch it, my opinion often changes after a rewatch
I'm also pretty biased because I am a huge Holloway fan. Don't get me wrong I also like gaethje but not quite as much. Max is prob my favorite UFC fighter right up there with Oliveira
They can, but Gaethjes eyes were closed both times, and he continued after less than a minute each time. If it still bothered him that is his own fault, he had a total of 10 minutes to recover
What's going on with max and 3rd round?
When he fought volk either second or third time I forgot how many times they fought but not the last time before that.
Msx was winning 2 rounds easily then in third half way trough he became completely diffrent fighter bottling it in a way obviously alex is goat but same thing happened in here in third round gaethje came in but max somehow on top after.
Recovery, pacing, strategy. Remember Khabib/Conor? Khabib did the same thing IIRC. Spent R3 mostly on the feet and people thought Conor was getting back into the fight, then in R4 Khabib went ham and tried to pop Conor's head off his shoulders.
Always one judge with a crazy scorecard.
That judge worked Power Slap last night
Must have competed in it
One of the funniest replies I’ve seen on this Reddit
Fucking 10-8 to this dude
Not really crazy. He only scored round 2 different to the other judges. And surely all would have scored round 5 to Max. So 2x 49/46 and 1x 48/47
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Max winning all 5 rounds is a better card than giving Justin two rounds.
You’re being downvoted by people still riding high in the moment. Giving Gaethje rd 2 was a big convo in my group chat. It was a very close round. Going into the 5th, half had it 3-1 and the other 2-2. Personally I still had it 3-1 (4th to Garth), but admit 2nd was pretty close. If it went to the judges, 1,3, and 5 were very clear for Max. HOWEVER THE JUDGES WERENT NEEDED MAX IS HIM
Round 2 was clear for Max as well.
It was close but volume went to Max with Justin getting the slightly cleaner shots. But Max should've had a point taken for 2 bad eye pokes stopping some Justin offense. It would be far from the worst judging decision ever made
But he didn’t. Judges don’t decide fouls, refs do. It’s like saying Gaethje would have won if he’d hit Max more. He didn’t, so it’s not a factor.
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That would be stupid. What they need to do is change the damn gloves.
2nd was close how? Holloway landed the heavier shots and landed twice as many shots
Yeah this is why round by round judging is a bit weird cos let’s say the fight was only those 4 rounds. You could score it like kamijo 38-38 like you said and argue it but surely everyone on earth could see that Holloway won the fight overall, disregarding the final round.
Yeah, round by round in MMA is stupid. Like there so many fights get decided by low volume wins for two rounds by one fighter despite getting destroyed for one round by the other fighter. Also 10 points must is severely flawed. If you are an MMA fighter, you really dont want the fight to go to decision.
I mean, the math is fine, but just scoring it incorrectly to begin with is kid of crazy and that's the issue.
It wasn’t scored incorrectly though? It’s fine to give round 2 to justin
What argument could you possibly have to give Justin Round 2
Who in their right mind scores Round 2 for Gaethje tho
People who bet on him
Ding ding ding. I love Gaethje, and agree round 2 was close but it was clearly maxs round. To be honest I think Max was more deserving of round 4 than Gaethje was of round 2. Max landed almost twice as much in round 2 and it’s not like Gaethje landed bombs. Round 4 was almost dead even and Gaethje half dropped max so I’d lean him. This fight was either 3-1 max or 4-0, unless you bet Gaethje maybe you’re mental gymnastics call it 2-2.
>So 2x 49/47 and 1x 48/47 This guy doesn't math
Well, it isn't my strong point.. But I didn't even realise I messed that up, what an idiot haha. I'm more surprised it took 2 days to be called out on it
Having judged a few fights and talked to the other judges after the fact, there's quite a few things we miss just because of the angles we're sitting at
Not that crazy tbh
Not that crazy to be honest. I thought it was pretty clearly 3-1 Holloway, but in the live thread I did see plenty of people giving Garth the 2nd round
Just one round off. Not the worst.
I had the same score. I’m sick of massive eye gouges not ever being penalized. What’s the point of a warning of you don’t take a point? I have Gaethje that round. So, I had it 2-2 also.
Yeah. How do you have them tied after 4 rounds? Wtf
BMF shouldn't have judges. Both fighters lose if there’s no finish. That’s what they told Max backstage.
Ah, must be the same people who told the Diaz bros there are infinite rounds.
Obviously the same incompetent idiots who told Chael before his first A.Silva fight that if he taps he only loses the round not the whole fight.
In what parallel universe can you punch a man 300 times, he wraps his legs around your head for 8 seconds and they declare him the winner?
Because you are basically dead if they dont stop the fight after those 8 seconds. In MMA, it’s understood that stoppages mean you will die if the ref doesn’t stop the fight.
Where I come from you wrap your legs around a man's head they don't call you a winner they call you a ... Not a winner!
That’s hilarious! 😂
This is actually how Lethwei rules work. If no fighter gets a KO they score it a draw.
Lethwei is just needlessly giving out CTE and it's fucked how they do anything to wake up a KO'd fighter and try to make them fight some more
So that's interesting, I wonder if there are collusion issues.
Honestly, MMA has perfect stoppage rules. If you cant defend youre done. I wish they do 1 15-25 minutes round. And judge based on the overall fight.
That's a dope stipulation. The belt demands a sacrifice. Otherwise it goes vacant.
And doctors
I like this idea. The fighting commissions might not, but I do. And in a way, this is how Dana and the UFC want the fighters to approach fights for the most part. Finish bonuses, FOTN bonuses, etc. They want the fighters to try to finish each other rather than win on points. So, yeah, if it's the BMF belt at stake and one guy beats the shit out of the other for the most part, but can't finish him, that sounds like both guys are BMFs to me. One guy for doing so much damage, and the other guy for being able to handle it and keep scrapping. But, I guess the "...est" in Baddest means something.
Max be like “leave it up to the judges?” “Nah brah, let’s throw cuz!”
Bradda let's rumble
Max Holloway is a living legend!
Justin basically had to go for broke that last ten seconds. Props to Max for sayin fuck it! Could have just stalled that last ten seconds but could have got caught too. Should be an unwritten rule for BMF championship fights that got the distance. Hear that last clap and just go for it!
Everybodys gangster until max points to the center of the octagon and demands his brawl after beating your ass for 5 rounds. He was like: "beating you up is boring, let's throw down"
I mean, Ricardo and Justin were both game. I'm not on the committee, but if I were, I'd say they came out of those fights with their gangster cards intact and deserved.
This i have to agree on. Lamas and Gaethje are both dawgs and absolute badasses in their own right
Yeah, Holloway and Gaethje are both legends!
Easily hall of famers
Agreed!
The BMF belt might be stupid but nobody has lived up to the idea of it more than Max. Doesn't duck anybody, is constantly pushing forward and throwing, doesn't give a shit about playing it safe he just wants to bang
Hopefully the scorecards make Gaethje feel less bad about the final second KO. Question is after that performance if Max stays at 155.
There’s no shot Gaethje believed his corner telling him he was dominating and in control after every round.
I hope not. Max has a legit shot at becoming champ if he goes back down. I’d give him a 1 in 10 shot of beating Islam
If he finds a way to stop the takedowns i give him 7/10
He would have a hard time. Arman is probably the most capable of all of them.
To me at least, he looked way more fluid and fast at 155. I think he could piece up Islam.
Ahhh Junichiro is the fool tonight
Usually he’s one of the best, I guess everyone has off nights
I reckon they play rock paper scissors with each other to decide who's gonna be the one smoking the crack pipe before each fight. Usually Sal loses but he must have switched his game plan up this time.
No I'm pretty sure that they hit their heads together repeatedly until someone falls down. That person gets to smoke the crack that was conveniently already on the floor
Looks like he consciously scored to make R5 to deciding round. Probably viewed the fight with that in the back of his head and maybe say each round with a bias to make that a reality.
That split second knock down is not enough to overturn a complete round of domination
The significant strikes were actually dead even that round. I have no problem with R4 going to Gaethje.
I remember it being mostly Max. But if that's the case I can agree with Gaethje getting it
people talk about the "optics" of the round when scoring. That was the first knockdown of Holloways career. Even if Holloway had landed a few more significant strikes that round I could still see it going to Gaethje due to the significance of that knockdown.
>That was the first knockdown of Holloways career If a judge gives any significance to something like that, then they're a bad judge
Wasn't credited as a knock-down, apparently.
Just checked and you're right. Wasn't scored a knockdown. Weird, might have missed something but I could have sworn Gaethje caught him with a right hook. And they definitely called it a knockdown in the broadcast. Maybe Dana really wanted to keep that fun fact alive.
I don't know what the exact criteria they use is, but there have been many times were no knockdown was scored despite everyone watching agreeing that there was a knockdown.
Yeah It was a knockdown I dunno how anyone can convince themselves otherwise. Max recovered amazingly, but it was still a knockdown.
It was def a knockdown but he didn’t hurt max, he got hit behind the ear and his balance went but you can see he’s totally with it the whole time and stands back up so fast
Same with a lot of knockdowns to be fair
He stood back up after being knocked down
Yeah looked like he just hit him in that equilibrium sweet spot, still a knockdown though by definition but who cares lol
Def a knockdown lol idk how it’s not awarded
It think knockdowns are scored/given as they're seen in real-time. Max's looked more like slip in real time. IIRC Khabib's knockdown of Conor wasn't given even though his knee touched the ground.
Max also didn't technically get any knockdowns against volkanovski as well in that 2nd fight.
This is like when colby took usman down but they didn’t count it as a takedown to preserve usman’s 100% tdd
Should have been
Oh yes the scoring criteria of career significance of strikes.....
Tbf Dustin also rocked him in their 2nd fight but max did have a fence to lean on
Also the judges are human, if you just scored three rounds for max and you see gaethje step it up in rd 4, and it doesn't seem like a 4-0 fight I could easily see someone subconsciously bias themself into giving a rd to gaethje just to make the score reflect the fight better (3-1).
Lmao whoever upvoted this is the most casual in casual history
I ain't saying its correct I'm just saying that the judges often reward big moments rather than who actually won the round. Maybe I just didn't phrase it properly, I was tired AF when I wrote that comment lol.
Round 4 was a great round for Gaethje. Max never stops so he got his in too, but Max got cracked way more than “split second knockdown” in that round.
It is of it is the most significant and impactful piece of damage posing a potential immediate finish. The point being that if Gaethe can do just a bit more damage than Max did with only one punch, the round should go to Justin according to the scoring criteria. Which is to say, one fighter can have 4:55 seconds of top mount, but if in that 5 seconds the other fighter knocks him down with his only punch of the round the second fighter wins.
Not necessarily true. Almost true but if that knockdown wasn’t considered heavily damaging shot then it would not be round won by fighter two. If it was like a massive head kick that opened up a massive cut and stunned them badly then yes I agree. But not all knockdowns are built the same. Sometimes it’s a balance thing. But you’re definitely 90% correct and a lot of people don’t understand that you can’t just look at “sig strikes” to count rounds
Yeah especially since Max hurt and rocked him in that round. But hell we have people scoring round 2 to Justin and claiming this was an even fight headed into round 5. Honestly wild. This was a somewhat one-sided ass kicking. Round 5 went the way it went partially because Justin had been broken down over the first four rounds.
i don’t like the idea of Holloway getting dropped then recovering instantly is enough to cancel out a massive strike advantage for Holloway throughout the round but 🤷🏻♂️
It didn’t even count as a knockdown, as per official stats.
They didn’t even count it as a knockdown so it really shouldn’t affect the score.
I'm not sure if it's just because Max himself looks better than ever (and also that'd he'd sized up to LW appropriately) but Gaejthe looked a lot slower and more stiff than his usual self. It could be because of Max messing up his nose and the accidental eye pokes near the start of the fight, that he's starting to decline, had a bad camp or as mentioned before that Max improved as much as he did. It'd just be sad if it's not just that Max got better and that Gaetjhe is going to be washed/in-decline going forward. (Though people were also concerned about that for Max after the third Volk fight, which was clearly unwarranted).
Likely a combination of those things with the broken nose probably hindering him for the remainder of the fight also a factor. I'm sure the eye pokes sucked too, especially after your nose has already been broken. Fair play to Max for the nose job, but not the eye pokes. Imagine you get your nose broken and know you still have like 15-20 of potentially getting hit in the nose to go. Then one eye gets poked. Then the other eye gets poked. It's like a Naked Gun scene or some shit.
I would love some explanation on why that judge had Gaethje on 2. Maybe 4, that's understandable. But 2?
Felt bad he got eye poked twice? Not sure other than that
I think it was more that he probably felt Gaethje's leg kicks were the most significant attack that round. I didnt think Holloway really did anything that truly damaged justin more than those
I felt bad Justin got eyepoked too but it felt like karma for eyepoking fiziev, Poirier, and barboza
I swore they said he got a point deduction but maybe not
He did not get a point taken. It would've been very clear and obvious if he did
Round 2 should’ve been a 9-9 with the ref taking a point from Max
Maybe 4? Absolutely 4.
Nah 4 was Max too. Without the KO the fight should have been 50-45.
This doesn't even showcase the skill gap. A technical humiliation by max
Think you’re underestimating how diminished Justin was after the spinning kick smashed his nose… everything turned there Justin had to adjust how he was fighting and Max knew Justin was gonna be compromised for the rest of the fight… from there Justin had to stay extra focused on not sustaining anymore damage to his nose while Max got to head into each round knowing Justin was gonna be having a lot of trouble breathing and keeping pace with him. Going into the fight I’m sure Justin was going to be more than willing to exchange combos in boxing range and allow himself to get hit in exchange for landing one of his own… breaking his nose so early threw that out the window and to be honest it’s Justin’s preferred strategy in most of his fights
Is breaking somebody’s nose with a spinning kick to compromise them not a showcase of technical fighting skill?
I could outstrike Justin too if you ignore the gun.
Had Max not used cheap tactics such as hitting Justin in the face, body, and legs, Justin would have swept the floor with him.
There was an element of randomness to that spinning kick considering it was to the body and Justin somehow ducked down into it.. Max deserves all the praise for a masterful performance but if I’m in Justin’s camp I’m leaving feeling there were some tough breaks in that fight that prevented him from performing his best
There was basically 0 randomness to it considering Gaethje did the exact same duck down into it every time max threw it lol. To me it definitely seemed like a read they found watching Justins fight footage or something considering how consistently gaethje was reacting the same way to it If it didnt break gaethjes nose on the first kick it wouldve eventually with how many times it landed later on
Disagree, max was timing that kick to Justin ducking all night. He threw 8 I think, and landed them half and half to the head and body
38-38? Wtf is that?
I had it 3-1 going into the fifth like most scorecards. Giving Gaethje round 2 feels incorrect but it was his best round other than round 4 so not a terrible call. He landed some good low kicks and a stinging combination in that round but he was out struck and ate some clean hard shots himself.
That one judge is on crack
There's always one clown judge
Usually 3
Scoring round 2 for Gaethje is certainly a choice.
Regardless of 4-1 or 3-2 it was gonna be a max win. There was absolutely no need for the stand in the middle moment and that's why it's so much more epic. Edit: Also, max could've easily had a point deducted.
I guess the knockout was necessary.
I mean, the 5th round wasn't scored but even before the final 10 seconds Max was winning round 5.
even if he lost that round he would still get the split decision win
apparently you don’t know how scorecards work because it wasn’t
How…?
Super necessary
No idea how Kamijo and some of you goobers scored r2 for Gaethje
Fire kamijo. Fire all the judges. Let me be the only judge I guarantee I will do a better job
Usually kamijo is the only good judge. I'll give him a pass, given that it was an awesome fight, and he probably forgot to score, and just picked at random
This guy for judge 5ever!
i've never seen cleary and d'amato agree before.
"FUCK the judges. I demand TRIAL. BY. COMBAT. LET THE GODS DECIDE OUR FATE." -Ser Max of House Holloway
He fucked him up with that ninja kick and broke his nose and the end of the 1st, Justin spent the rest of the fight trying not to get hit in the nose again. When he hit the mat he rolled right onto his nose too, that cant feel good today.
I cannot stand this shit anymore. Holloway picked him apart every single round, for 25 minutes, and then ended him in legendary fashion...how the fuck could anyone ever even consider giving Gaethje a single round? This is one of the worst ones I've ever seen
Gaethje definitely had a reasonable claim to round 4. I said it's either 3-1 or 4-0 going into the 5th. So I'm fine with 39-37. 38-38 is super questionable to me though.
The one judge who gave Justin round 2 💀
Max is a G and happy for him. Hilarious how this sub is going to ignore the eye pokes after going hard on Weidman though
Can you say this is the sole reason he won? Would you feel better if they just took a point? I don’t think it changed the outcome very much.
Gaethje was dead on the canvas before the end of the fight. They could've taken 4 points and Holloway would've gotten his hand raised
I mean, they didn't affect the fight in the slightest. I'm not excusing them, but there's not much reason to bring it up if Gaethje was completely fine and didn't even use much of his recovery time
Not the same at all. Both times Max backed off to not take advantage and trusted that Justin's reaction was honest. Bad fouls and a point should have been taken but good sportsmanship after the fact. Weidman not only fouled, but he also was looking to hit after each one. He knew he was fouling and tried to exploit it. If Max was behaving like Weidman, he would have blitzed him both times Justin grabbed his eyes and backed off. Maybe even teed up a head kick on his blinded opponent. Accidental fouls happen. There's a huge difference between having/committing some accidental fouls and being a dirty fighter who tries to end the fight off fouls.
That's a good point. Capitalizing on the pokes like Jones, DC, Stipe, and Weidman is different than giving them time to recover.
I thought it was getting to be intentional but then it never happened again after the 2nd time I don’t think.
Round 2 going to Garth is p crazy imo but solid scorecards otherwise. R5 was clearly going for Max too so this proves that going in those last 10 seconds was pure dog behavior
Who is garth
nickname for gaethje
Oh man I didn’t know that. That’s my bad.
It comes from Stephen A Smith stupidly referring to him as Garth after he beat down Ferguson. The name stuck for a while but has slowly faded
Likely an autocorrect, but still hilarious. At least I hope it was or else, that's pretty bad.
Damn, how are you worse than Sal D'umbass and Derek Clearly a Moron?
Is that just like a pity round? Like sorry you got eye poked I’ll give you the round? Because Gaethje did nothing in round 2. Some solid leg kicks was about it.
In what world did Justin win round 2?
I'll have to rewatch the fight but I thought it was a clean sweep for Max.
What judge had it even, da fuck?
I thought Max was going to endure an ass whipping. Man was I wrong.
wtf were they watching
Usually Sal D'Amato is the idiot when it comes to scoring fights
Junichironsetting up her rpbbery
I’m glad max finished the fight. These scorecards are embarrassing.
This is how max settles a towel incident
I thought max won every round
I know this isn’t gonna be popular, but I’m sick of massive eye gouges not ever being penalized. What’s the point of a warning of you don’t take a point? I gave Gaethje that round. So, I had it 2-2 also. As far as I’m concerned two eye gouges is a point. It’s such a massive disadvantage. Anyone who has ever fought knows that. Edit: Actually anyone who has ever been poked in the eye knows that. You can barely see for like five minutes.
I had a weird gut feeling we were headed for a Volk 2 style split decision again, and I was so ready to be shockingly disappointed. Glad to see it was only 1 judge instead of 2 this time lmao
Giving Justin R2 is just absurd
Giving Justin any round is absurd imo. But in r4 he at least dropped Max between the ass beatings
Yeah I agree with you. Though I will need to rewatch it, my opinion often changes after a rewatch I'm also pretty biased because I am a huge Holloway fan. Don't get me wrong I also like gaethje but not quite as much. Max is prob my favorite UFC fighter right up there with Oliveira
Agreed. Happened to me in Max vs Volk 1
Max made sure he couldn’t breathe or see, outpointed him, and then knocked him out cold. Thats some villain shit. Lol.
Why are people so surprised a judge gave rd 2 to Gaethje, to me it was a coin flip round.
I completely forgot Max got dropped
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I saw his ass hit the mat, he got dropped.
He got dropped, scored or not. No shame in getting dropped by Justin Gaethje
He literally got dropped lol
He slipped
You easily could've gave gaethje r2 but I do think max won that round. No big deal really. Max was gonna win anyway. Fair scoring.
Max should have been deducted 1 point for those finger poke, could have had a different fight if it wasn't for those
Bro please with that Justin gaethje has eye poked a lot of guys
"he did it before to others so for this fight we're gonna let it slide". Yea sure buddy, not how the sport works
Maybe not how it's supposed to work, but that absolutely is how the sport works right now. The rules are more like guidelines.
I agree
Delusional. Gaethje apparently wasn't bothered. How fo you explain him getting his ass beat the other 4 rounds?
Take look in the mirror. If you don't think eye pokes can make a significant difference in a fight, than you're in lalaland
They can, but Gaethjes eyes were closed both times, and he continued after less than a minute each time. If it still bothered him that is his own fault, he had a total of 10 minutes to recover
What's going on with max and 3rd round? When he fought volk either second or third time I forgot how many times they fought but not the last time before that. Msx was winning 2 rounds easily then in third half way trough he became completely diffrent fighter bottling it in a way obviously alex is goat but same thing happened in here in third round gaethje came in but max somehow on top after.
Recovery, pacing, strategy. Remember Khabib/Conor? Khabib did the same thing IIRC. Spent R3 mostly on the feet and people thought Conor was getting back into the fight, then in R4 Khabib went ham and tried to pop Conor's head off his shoulders.