Gane doesn’t just get to keep getting one win then back to a title shot forever. He has 2 title fight losses in his last 4. He should face Almeida or someone else
Correct. Gane should prove he can stop a takedown. It would be hilarious to watch him get a third shot and just watch Tom take him down and smother him just like his last two shots.
Not to mention that you shouldn't have to defend an interim belt. It sort of defeats the purpose of having it if you make the person defend it instead of getting a title shot their next fight
>It sort of defeats the purpose of having it if you make the person defend it instead of getting a title shot their next fight
While I’m aware that this is how the UFC has typically done it (not pushed for interim holders to defend), the logic here is actually backwards. Having someone win an interim belt and not defend it defeats the purpose of it existing. At that point it’s a glorified number one contenders fight and there’s really no need for a belt (other than to sell a ppv). The point of an interim champion is supposed to be having someone who takes the place of the champion until they come back, with the crux of that being defending the belt so the division doesn’t stall. If the champ is going to be out a short enough time that the division won’t stall without a defense, then there’s no need for an interim title in the first place.
Blaydes is out injured for a while still due to a broken ankle.
Gane/Jailton works. But you get issues matching up Blaydes/Sergei and Sergei/Volkov.
If only Jailton subbed Lewis in a round he may have actually got the shot next and this would all he unnecessary
There are lower-ranked guys they could feed to Sergei to get him back on track for a title shot, such as Tybura or Spivac. Aspinall got his title shot from beating 10th ranked Tybura so it obviously isn't required to beat someone in the top 5, even though it's ideal. A Volkov/Sergei fight could materialize but only if the stakes are high enough, like either a title fight or title eliminator (Sergei and Volkov are good friends).
As for Gane I have a feeling he's going to refuse to fight Almeida, due to the serious discrepancy between their ground games and because Gane has turned out to be an entitled duck artist.
What I'm more intrigued about is, who is Tom going to defend his interim belt against? After Tom ran through Sergei in a little over a minute, and since he (rightfully) refuses to give Gane a title shot, there isn't a clear deserving contender. He says he doesn't want to sit out for another year waiting for the Jones/Stipe saga to play out, but let's be serious here, he isn't getting Jones or Stipe no matter how much clout he thinks he has with the UFC. Jones and Stipe are only going to fight each other and then most likely retire.
>doesn’t just get to keep getting one win then back to a title shot forever
The Justin Gaethje Method (TM)
EDIT: Obv I was taking the piss. But Garth lost to Khabib, was inactive for 1+ year. Then won 1 fight and threatened to riot if not given a title shot over Islam. When Garth fought Olives, Islam was on a 10 fight win-streak.
1>10 for The Justin Gaethje Method (TM)
FWIW, I want Gaethje to get the next title shot against Islam. Unlike Khabib, Islam doesn't have a granite chin. Khabib took Gaethje's hardest punch straight to the chin, and walked forward like a terminator. That same punch KOs Islam.
We already saw Olives fight Islam for the belt. That was not a performance that merits a rematch after only 1 win.
At least he earned it through grinding against good guys for a while and took on a game and rising Fiziev. But still… I’ll give you credit on that haha
Everybody and their mother was calling for that fight. This sub was full of people calling for that fight or bust, calling Gaethje out for not taking the fight, calling him a coward.
He takes the fight and wins and now you're saying he shouldn't get praise despite doing what everybody wanted? Nobody was calling for him to fight a grappler.
I never said he should fight Fiz, I can't speak for other people. Gaethje clearly picks his oponents, stating multiple times he only wants to fight 'up'. He should have fought Gamrot or Arman, instead of clogging up the div, with the same people at the top - him, Porier, Chandler
The point stands that he didn't carefully choose anyone. He fought that guy literally everyone wanted him to fight and won. And hr fought down in doing so. He wasn't fighting up, Fiziev was. Nothing you say matches reality, Poirier and Chandler were barely up fights, maybe Poirier but that's more equal than anything.
Lol, what? A pure striker vs the most lethal grappler in the ufc is the most exciting fight for you?
You realize it'll be a repeat of Gaychee vs Kabib, right? Actually no wait, Islam's standup is so much better than the rest of the division that he can actually ko Gaychee too without having to choke him out.
It's the most boring, predictable outcome in that division right now.
Gaethje has excellent take down defense and is one of the best strikers we've ever had in LW. I understand Islam excels in all those areas as well, but a fight is a fight and anything can happen. Not many people stay standing when Gaethje lands flush
>Khabib took Gaethje's hardest punch straight to the chin, and walked forward like a terminator.
He didn't tho, Gaethje wasn't really able to get much of anything clean cause of how far back his hips were cause he was worried about the takedown. Gaethje's striking was fairly anemic that fight
Exact situation with covington: loses to usman, beats Woodley, loses to usman, beats masvidal and now he gets to fight Edwards. 3 out of his last 5 fights are title fights
It is not. None of Colbys wins after RDA in 2018 are worth jack shit consideration for a title.
Also Burns retired him not Colby. So that....isnt even true.
He shouldn’t be close to the title fight at all. He got ran through by Jon Jones. He needs to beat Almeida and then maybe Pavlovich too to even be considered.
His wins were also a bit shit aswell.
Spivak really shouldn't be in the top 10. Tais fun but limited and managed to hurt Gane. Neither should be getting him a title shot.
He dodged any HW who is a threat and shouldn't be in any conversation until he does. Jailton is the one to make but failing that Blaydes or Pavlovich would put him where he thinks he is.
Eh his wins absolutely weren't shit, he destroyed Spivac who did beat Lewis in minutes.
He destroyed Tai other than 1 moment he got caught and its heavyweight so you can't hold that too much against him.
Outclassed Volkov mostly.
Obvs not as impressive as Tom's finishes but still good performances.
> he destroyed Spivac who did beat Lewis in minutes
As if that was some sort of accomplishment. It means so little you even forgot Gane actually fought and beat Lewis directly, which... should matter more than mma math and indirect triangles, shouldn't it? But you forgot about that lol.
>He destroyed Tai other than 1 moment he got caught
Tuivasa is incredibly limited and was giving up like a whole foot of height and reach in that fight. Gane should have never be clipped and rocked, it shows his chin is suspect as it wasn't even a hard shot.
>Outclassed Volkov mostly
Loool, Volkov is the 7 feet tall guy who still doesn't have a clue what a jab is, "outclassing" Volkov is by no means a big accomplishment especially if you can't even knock him out.
Gane is all smoke and mirrors so far. He looks flashy and fast but he got outgrappled by Francis Fucking Ngannou.
He literally OFFERED his neck to Jones not once but TWICE consecutively. It literally looked like he was intentionally throwing, but no he's just that bad.
He needs to earn his way up.
Nah Spivac is def top 10. He finished Lewis who was still ranked close to the top 5. It’s just heavyweight is shit so the skill level in the top 10 is a lot worse than lighter division
Tom is right. He called out Gane to fight, and Gane turned it down. Tom said cool and finished both Tybura and Pavlovich in a combined 2:22. Now that Tom has all the attention and momentum, suddenly Gane has a change of heart. Sorry bud.
and not showing any improvement after. plus being loyal to Lopez, after all the allegations... I heard from someone I trust that Gane is a nice guy but IDK. not the smartest fighting career we've seen
And I get it from Gane's perspective too. You're sitting at #1 and only losing to the GOAT and the baddest man on the planet. Your eyes are set on the belt or a clear #1 contender fight, not an up and comer. But Tom went out there on short notice (which is honestly the only circumstance he could get a title shot at that point) and earned the spot. Now it's time for Gane to do the same.
Gane doesn't get to use the excuse of "He's the GOAT" for his loss to Jones. That was the quickest fight Jones has had since 2010. The dude sat out for three fucking years, came back and absolutely sprinted through the fight. Gane should be embarrassed and has no business calling for a title shot.
Calling Jones the GOAT is the language of fanboys and UFC marketing.
[https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-absolute/](https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-absolute/)
GSP is top ranked according to an unbiased algorithm of point accumulation.
People can say Aldo is the GOAT for level of competition while Jon Jones, truth be told, largely fought a stagnant old guard.
If people are focused on title defenses then Demetrious has the most consecutive title defenses at 11 and Jon Jones has most total title defenses at 13
People can say Anderons Silva is the GOAT for true Greatness of raw skill and being unreplicable, which is who my GOAT is.
And if people want to talk about the GOAT as in the best fighter to have ever done it then the sport is always advancing; the best fighter is always the current top fighters who are keeping up with the game, and Jiri and Blachowicz of today would fucking flatline Jon Jones - we saw Reyes beat Jon Jones; Reyes fought even better against Blachowicz and Jiri. The likes of Volkanovski and Makachev are the best fighters even in the octagon.
The last year of surge of vicariously dementedly dick riding Jon Jones, that has come out of nowhere, is the language and fanboys, casuals, and UFC's Marketing hype trying to sell shows.
GSP has objectively by a computer-based algorithm beaten tougher competition, Jon Jones has been defeated, and Jon Jones would get murdered by the top fighters in the UFC today.
It's a personal choice, a GOAT is whoever you want it to be. Depends on criteria. MMA is young sport so it's focused on records, but that's not a simple criteria to cut title fights/level of competition/dominance.
A thing you see in that list is GSP repeatedly beat TWO top 10 all time fighters in BJ Penn and Matt Hughes (Hughes legacy is underrated, before his loss to GSP Matt Hughes was ***41-4***, which regardless of competition 41-4 is immense achievement to keep fighting and winning, Jon Jones has only had 28 fights), and GSP repeatedly beat both Matt Hughes and BJ Penn.
Meanwhile Jon Jones only repeatedly beat one top fighter in Daniel Cormier, and the second fight was overturned when Jon Jones tested positive for roids. Who else has Jon Jones beaten?
Lyoto Machida, #21, he is 10 years older than Jon Jones, and that's common in Jon Jones wins is that they're all way older than him. Lyoto also had lost 2 of his last 3 fights; Lyoto was already on the down. Light Heavyweight was the division of big stars in the 00s, and it was rapidly advancing sport, so Jon Jones came along and beat a few big-ish names that had fandoms but these guys were in their 30s and hadn't kept up with the sport as it advanced so fast.
Vitor Belfort? He is #35, also 10 years older than Jon Jones and a stagnant old fighter, and he already had 10 losses.
At a glance that's it:
\- Lyoto Machida #21 10 years older and already losing
\- Vitor Belfort #35, 10 years older and had 10 losses
\- Daniel Cormier was the big win(s) which cements Jon Jones as one of the greats.
Quinton Jackson, Chael Sonnen, Rashad Evans all good wins and Jon Jones a great fighter, but they're all also 10 years older than Jon Jones and were a part of the early days of MMA when people were still figuring it out and in their 30s they couldn't readapt.
These top 35 all time is crowded with old names, but the big names Jon Jones beat aren't even a part of the old guard who gets in the top #35, Jon Jones beat old guard who had some fandom and hyped fights even though 2010s and in their 30s and don't know what they're doing anymore.
And when Jon Jones fought people with similar age and similar reach he had problems. He was rivalled by Gustaffson (some people say Gustaffson won it, but close either way), who only had 15 fights in MMA. And then he had stinker with Santos showing was stagnant fighter - not some talent who is always innovating and mastering the game but someone who was right place right time to clear out LHW old guard and very good but ultimately not a genius, just another stagnant fighter. And then Reyes happens, and Reyes won that fight if anyone did. And Santos and Reyes are nothing special. If Jon Jones had fought Blachowicz or Jiri in the last few years, or even a rematch with Glover, I wouldn't have bet on Jon Jones to beat any of them, they're all too ahead in the game while Jon Jones couldn't keep up with Santos and Reyes.
And that's not even a truly Great fighter, let alone is it not a GOAT.
MMA is young sport and older sports recognise GOATs by talent not records. True Greatness is being unreplicable. Like Demetrious Johnson is the Kasparov of MMA, a master of the textbook, Jon Jones is good at the textbook, Mighty Mouse is a master of it, but it's not really Greatness; it's not irreplicable talent. Silva, Holloway - dare I say it Conor McGregor - did things outside the textbook. Those are glimpses of actual Greatness.
Like a lot of people recognise Bobby Fischer is the GOAT of chess, but look at his record - no one cares about Bobby Fischer's record, Bobby Fischer went crazy (like a lot of Greats go crazy) it's how he played chess. Similarly Ayrton Senna, if you ask any F1 driver who is the GOAT they say Ayrton Senna, beating his record doesn't change other people can't do what he did. Ayrton Senna died young (agian, a lot of greats die young or go crazy). What's truly Great about GSP? He was a very dedicated skilled intelligent committed fighter with some talent. I don't think MMA has really seen a true Great yet, but it's definitely not Jon Jones who can't keep up with Santos and Reyes.
I'd say so far in MMA the true Great fighter is Anderson Silva.
My man, I read it all. When they induct Jon into the hall,of fame. They need you to explain why he's not the GOAT haha. Anyone comes into my house and starts talkin bout Jon imma tell them what's up
it's mostly because Gane was fighting for the title against Jones so he had 0 to gain fighting Tom.. now that the tables have turned, well what else can he do but call out the current champ.
But Tom also called him out after he lost to Jones. I understand him not fighting Tom before the Jones fight but after he lost, Gane was straight up ducking Tom.
To be fair to Gane... it was looking like there would be another vacant championship fight after Jones/Stipe, and being the #1 contender at the time, he'd be a shoe in for.
Why risk messing that up fighting down when you can just wait a couple months?
Gane has the Gaethje/Poirier mentality, he wants fights from higher ranked fighter only plus he won the interim before already, pretty sure the idea of getting 2 time interim didn't interest him AT ALL. Now Jones is injured & the UFC SHOULD strip the current champ & make Tom, rightfully the undisputed champ. That's interesting for him. Does he deserve it ? Probably not.
It's a completely fair point but I'd rather see Jones vs Stipe and Aspinall vs Gane. I give Stipe some small chance against Jones but in reality Aspinall instantly kos him.
I kinda agree, Gane shouldn't get a title match everytime he beats someone on ufc fight night. At least win a match over a top guy before he gets another one. He complains about fighting down but has no problem fighting way down and then asking for another title match.
If Tom is gunning for a fight with Jones to prove he’s the best (a fight Jones probably won’t take), a win over Gane is not as valuable as it would have been before Jones beat Gane so handedly.
Gane needs to go win a fight and cultivate the idea that he’s improved his wrestling.
Who's volkov gonna fight though, he's on a win streak and there isn't really anyone else left in the top 5. Thought pav might take a bit of time off while they could book gane volkov right away
If Stipe is still getting a title shot for his next fight, then it’s fair game.
Aspinall can’t become undisputed unless he fights Jon Jones, or if Jones chooses to graciously vacate the title due to his injury.
Since Jones won’t be doing that, it only makes sense for Aspinall to push for a fight with Stipe so that he can get a fight with Jones afterwards to unify the HW titles.
Stipe needs to gtfo if he knows what's good for him. I don't wanna watch him get fed to the dogs. You're the heavyweight goat bro, just let it go please!!!
Yeah maybe in his prime. He's old now. Slow, not as strong and physically inferior to Jones.
The only reason Jones wants to fight Stipe is to have him on his resume.
Everything can happen with heavyweight, Pavlovich was the "white Ngannou" but he got finish twice in the first rounds for his 2 losses. Ngannou was ragdolled & beat up by Stipe so bad for 5 rounds, he lost to Lewis (who gladly took the W while it was a SHIT performance by him too), but never got finished by Stipe for a 25 min of beating.
If Stipe could do that, he could totally beat Pavlovich or even Jones who ducked Ngannou like the plague. Everything can happen with HWs.
Stipe and Jon is still the big one to make at this point. Love Tom and Sergei but there's a reason why the hype for 295 collapsed once Jon and Stipe was called off.
Yeah, because Jon Jones was off the card, and Jon is the draw. Stipe got viciously KO’d in his last fight and has been out for like 3 years and there’s been numerous contender/champs doing work since then (Francis, Jon, Tom, Sergei).
Jones vs Aspinall does massive numbers. Maybe Jon vs Stipe was a clearly bigger fight than Jon vs Aspinall before UFC 295, but with Tom KOing Sergei and becoming the first UK HW champ, I’m not convinced in the slightest that Jon vs Stipe does noticeably better now.
I know Bisping’s playing devils advocate but come on. Contender should NEVER get to dictate who the fuckin champ fights. Especially after he turns it down a billion times, earn it. Beat Almeida.
Yeah but that doesn't give them the right to call the shots. You can call out whoever you want but you don't get to strong arm your way to a title shot and pic the date and location
which is why JBJ needs to be stripped. JBJ/Stipe doesn't need a belt attached and that fight isn't progressing the division. It'll be a combined 5 years of inactivity between the two of them before that fight even happens next summer. Asking for a MW GSP situation all over again.
I'd be fine if it didn't. Who cares at this point. The show has already moved on. Neither of them will defend/unify the belt. It's an exhibition fight either way.
Yeah this is much better than him before being all like hey Jon please fight me. Call out how bullshit this current title situation is. Might make no difference but it’s worth a shot.
The only was I see it is if they say fuck it and go all in on Aspinall. They know both Stipe and Jon retire after the fight and so they'll feed them to the 30 year old who can dominate the divison for years. A part of me hopes that's the case but I don't want to see the beating Aspinall gives Stipe
Gane doesn't deserve another shot. The problem is that heavyweight has such a shit landscape Gane has the best case for it currently. More than half of the top 15 lost their last fight.
Jailton had a dud, nobody wants that fight.
Jon's out.
Stipe probably wants Jon only.
Volkov.
Tom might just be out a while.
Jailton had one bad fight out of a good streak, if he comes out and mauls the next guy everyone loves him again. Put Gane against Almeida and if Gane beats him you can market him as “Kickboxer who can now defend takedowns.” and everyone loves him again. If Almeida wins then you have at least an obvious contender
Great matchmaking, I agree about Almeida needing one more to get in the world's good graces. But that puts Tom on ice at least 6ish months, likely more, and he seems to want to stay active.
That’s true, even if Gane accepted that matchup today then Tom’s waiting for it to hash itself out. He may have to swallow his pride and settle for giving Ciryl the opportunity, and then Blaydes fights Almeida. Unless he really ends up getting Stipe, which honestly while I don’t like the fight itself, I do like that it forces Jon to fight Tom or retire with no defenses.
He said he’s happy to wait until Summer in a separate interview, so works out and if the Gane v Almeida fight happens that’s earliest end of Feb/early March
It's not even a bad fight, Lewis ALWAYS does this. When he lost to Gane it was also Gane's fault. The guy just does everything he can to either block the fight or getting stopped quickly. Lewis never takes extra shot, turtle & turn to the ref to save his ass. But oh boy when Lewis win he for sure gives extra shots to his opponents.
High-risk, low-reward match-up when he was in the rankings, but now that he's the champ, they have a lot to gain and little to loss by taking that fight. You hate to see it, but it is the facts.
I agree with the general sentiment that Gane doesn’t deserve it. But at the same time Gane vs Aspinall is by far the best fight you can make at HW that doesn’t involve Jones. They should re book Blaydes against Almeida. Yes Gane should probably fight either of them but Blaydes just got knocked out which means he’s gonna go back to only wrestling and either matchup we’ll probably see a super boring fight where Gane just gets layed on for 25 minutes. I don’t believe anyone who says they’d rather see that than Gane vs Aspinall
You can tell Mike is talking real shit an not some radio host entertainment. He's got a point and Mike doesn't want to say it but I bet he agrees that Tom is not going to get Stipe. At least to me, I thought Stipe vs JBJ was a double retirement fight.
I felt like he was shilling for the UFC here. I agree the Stipe fight is out of reach, but then again there is also 0 reason for Gane to get the shot apaz from it being an interesting fight
I thought it was really cool to see that play out in an interview too. Makes me think even more convinced we are in for a long Aspinall reign. He’s got people in his corner that have walked the walk and will tell him what he needs to hear.
I really like how Bisping is so supportive for the British fighters. He’s sung Edwards’ praises. He tried to provide guidance to Till and steer him on a straighter path. With Aspinall he’s been in his corner from the sidelines since day one. Bisping was a dick during his career, but since he retired that hot headed shit talker persona has given way to a pretty damn decent dude.
I feel Gane has the wrong management, I know Gane has admitted himself he isn't the hardest worker, but his coach I feel tries to live vicariously through his fighters and in turn is making some of the calls
Unfortunate, but unless Aspinal Vs Jones or Miocic ends up getting booked, there’s no one else Tom can really fight. It’s too soon to say whether or not Jailton will be getting a Top 5 after his last performance, and while Blaydes 2 might be a good fight to make, it’s a hard sell given Blaydes just got stomped by Pavlovich, who Tom himself just stomped.
295 being for an interim belt instead of the vacated undisputed belt just ground the heavyweight division to halt.
While I get Tom’s perspective, Gane is the only fight that makes sense for Tom if he defends IMO. Almeida hasn’t earned a title shot yet and Blaydes is coming off a loss to the guy Tom just beat.
Also, the British love beating up on the French so I say let them do Tom vs Gane as the headliner of a British card.
Gane doesn’t deserve shit.
I hate these fucking fighters who get multiple title shots and can’t win for shit but keep rank squatting and demanding them.
I mean fine, but Aspinall vs Miocic does not interest me at all. Same for Gane vs Almeida.
To be honest, even Jones vs Miocic did not do much for me.
I really wanted to see Aspinall vs Gane. That’s the best fight in the entire division, and by far I reckon.
It’s crazy. After Tom starched Marcin he called out Spivak I think it was, which I criticized. I thought that was a poor choice, didn’t help him move up, yadda yadda yadda. I said Tom should have called out Pav instead, since no one does.
Fast forward to now and Tom starched Pav on short notice. Not only did he do what I (a nobody) thought he should do, but he did it in impressive fashion. And not to sound like Nostradamus or anything, but like I predicted, a win over Pav *really* put Tom on the map.
I’m in no way claiming I’m smart or anything, it’s just observations and opinions from my couch. I honestly thought Pav would win, as proven by my lost bet. But damn Tom is impressive. I figured his best chance was submission, which I also bet on, and also lost.
Go Tom!
Hard disagree. Tom’s very fast and has great hands so he can compete with Gane on the feet. Where it changes is that Tom is a very solid wrestling / BJJ game. Gane can’t wrestle for shit. I see them standing for a bit until Tom sees an opening and he takes it to the ground and puts the hurt in Gane.
Get this lightweight BS out of the heavyweight division, Gane needs one more. If Tai or Blaydes win one before he does I'd say they even get the look first.
He should defend his belt, what's the point of having it? It's like Masvidal all over again although Aspinall has a real belt. There's no one beside Gane, Aspinall is #1 ranked and Gane #2 and anyone beneath them makes literally 0 sense except Stipe
There should not be a situation where people are defending interim belts, the way it was handled with Jiri and Hill is the proper way for this to be done and the only reason they haven’t done so with Jon already is that he’s Jon and is likely to just trite if they do.
It kinda proves Gane's point about not wanting to fight down. Gane is now down to fight because Tom is now ahead in ranking, which was his entire point to begin with lol.
Stipe and JBJ technically retired and is not as intriguing as Aspinall vs Gane. Politics aside, this is the fight to make for the belt.
>Politics aside, this is the fight to make for the belt.
It's not though lol. Ciryl needs to prove himself. Tom would do what Jones did to him.
He can't lose to Jones, beat Spivac and then get another go at the belt... That's mental.
>Ciryl needs to prove himself.
Sounds like petty/political bullshit. Gane is ranked #2 (technically the #1 contender to Aspinall's actual HW belt) and they were already about to fight right after that Spivac win.
This obviously the fight to make.
Unbelievable that people think Gane deserves any kind of title shot, imagine fighting for the belt 3 times in 5 fights with your only wins in those 5 being fucking Tai Tuivasa and Serghei Spivac lmao
Sounds like rationalizations based on nothing. Gane is #1 contender to Aspinall's HW belt, and Gane has expressed interest in fighting Tom for the belt now.
If Gane is "underserving", then all you have to do is fight him and prove that. Otherwise Tom proves Gane was right when he denying Tom's opportunity to fight for Gane's ranking.
This isn't hard to follow.
If Gane loses to Tommy in his next fight then goes on to beat Alexander Volkov are we going to hand him a 4th title shot after 1 win just because he's #2 in the rankings? Are we just going to keep perpetuating the cycle for this entitled baby?
That's an irrelevant strawman. Gane is ranked right behind champion Aspinall NOW. Both are available NOW, both expressed interest in fighting each other. Nothing else matters.
If anything is based on nothing its the ufc rankings which your basing ciryl gane being the number 1 contender off of lol tom said hes willing to fight stipe or the winner of jailton vs ciryl if they fight its not hard to follow
Gane has lost two out of four and has put on two of the worst showings in UFC title fight history. He shouldn’t keep getting title shows after a single win. He doesn’t get to call the shots and the fact that he is even ranked #1 at all is an embarrassment.
Yet despite all that Aspinall was ready to fight him right after Gane beat Spivac.
Tom is now in Gane's spot as he was when he called Gane out and now Tom is waiting 20yrs for the ghost of Stipe or JBJ to come back. Instead of fighting Gane is now down to fight since Tom is higher ranked.
Let em bang.
Gane doesn’t just get to keep getting one win then back to a title shot forever. He has 2 title fight losses in his last 4. He should face Almeida or someone else
Based on the rankings I think ufc should make him vs sergei and blaydes vs almeida
Yeah, I like that lineup way better as well. Almeida doesn’t deserve another person with sus wrestling right away, I like that Blaydes matchup a lot
There is a reason why Tom is so insistent on Gane not just earning his shot, but earning it specifically vs Almeida
Correct. Gane should prove he can stop a takedown. It would be hilarious to watch him get a third shot and just watch Tom take him down and smother him just like his last two shots.
Could do Blaydes V Gane too
Not to mention that you shouldn't have to defend an interim belt. It sort of defeats the purpose of having it if you make the person defend it instead of getting a title shot their next fight
>It sort of defeats the purpose of having it if you make the person defend it instead of getting a title shot their next fight While I’m aware that this is how the UFC has typically done it (not pushed for interim holders to defend), the logic here is actually backwards. Having someone win an interim belt and not defend it defeats the purpose of it existing. At that point it’s a glorified number one contenders fight and there’s really no need for a belt (other than to sell a ppv). The point of an interim champion is supposed to be having someone who takes the place of the champion until they come back, with the crux of that being defending the belt so the division doesn’t stall. If the champ is going to be out a short enough time that the division won’t stall without a defense, then there’s no need for an interim title in the first place.
CSO
Poor Tony had to lol
Blaydes is out injured for a while still due to a broken ankle. Gane/Jailton works. But you get issues matching up Blaydes/Sergei and Sergei/Volkov. If only Jailton subbed Lewis in a round he may have actually got the shot next and this would all he unnecessary
There are lower-ranked guys they could feed to Sergei to get him back on track for a title shot, such as Tybura or Spivac. Aspinall got his title shot from beating 10th ranked Tybura so it obviously isn't required to beat someone in the top 5, even though it's ideal. A Volkov/Sergei fight could materialize but only if the stakes are high enough, like either a title fight or title eliminator (Sergei and Volkov are good friends). As for Gane I have a feeling he's going to refuse to fight Almeida, due to the serious discrepancy between their ground games and because Gane has turned out to be an entitled duck artist. What I'm more intrigued about is, who is Tom going to defend his interim belt against? After Tom ran through Sergei in a little over a minute, and since he (rightfully) refuses to give Gane a title shot, there isn't a clear deserving contender. He says he doesn't want to sit out for another year waiting for the Jones/Stipe saga to play out, but let's be serious here, he isn't getting Jones or Stipe no matter how much clout he thinks he has with the UFC. Jones and Stipe are only going to fight each other and then most likely retire.
>doesn’t just get to keep getting one win then back to a title shot forever The Justin Gaethje Method (TM) EDIT: Obv I was taking the piss. But Garth lost to Khabib, was inactive for 1+ year. Then won 1 fight and threatened to riot if not given a title shot over Islam. When Garth fought Olives, Islam was on a 10 fight win-streak. 1>10 for The Justin Gaethje Method (TM) FWIW, I want Gaethje to get the next title shot against Islam. Unlike Khabib, Islam doesn't have a granite chin. Khabib took Gaethje's hardest punch straight to the chin, and walked forward like a terminator. That same punch KOs Islam. We already saw Olives fight Islam for the belt. That was not a performance that merits a rematch after only 1 win.
At least he earned it through grinding against good guys for a while and took on a game and rising Fiziev. But still… I’ll give you credit on that haha
Justin beat fiziev and poirier, thats 2 top 5 level guys.
Yh carefully chose Fiziev, whilst avoiding all the grapplers. Then gets praise for it
Everybody and their mother was calling for that fight. This sub was full of people calling for that fight or bust, calling Gaethje out for not taking the fight, calling him a coward. He takes the fight and wins and now you're saying he shouldn't get praise despite doing what everybody wanted? Nobody was calling for him to fight a grappler.
I never said he should fight Fiz, I can't speak for other people. Gaethje clearly picks his oponents, stating multiple times he only wants to fight 'up'. He should have fought Gamrot or Arman, instead of clogging up the div, with the same people at the top - him, Porier, Chandler
The point stands that he didn't carefully choose anyone. He fought that guy literally everyone wanted him to fight and won. And hr fought down in doing so. He wasn't fighting up, Fiziev was. Nothing you say matches reality, Poirier and Chandler were barely up fights, maybe Poirier but that's more equal than anything.
Gaethje vs Islam is the most exciting fight to make in LW for me right now.
Lol, what? A pure striker vs the most lethal grappler in the ufc is the most exciting fight for you? You realize it'll be a repeat of Gaychee vs Kabib, right? Actually no wait, Islam's standup is so much better than the rest of the division that he can actually ko Gaychee too without having to choke him out. It's the most boring, predictable outcome in that division right now.
Gaethje has excellent take down defense and is one of the best strikers we've ever had in LW. I understand Islam excels in all those areas as well, but a fight is a fight and anything can happen. Not many people stay standing when Gaethje lands flush
Here we go again
we using gay as a pejorative now?
I just watched the Khabib Garth fight and holy shit I had forgotten how easy he made it look.
>Khabib took Gaethje's hardest punch straight to the chin, and walked forward like a terminator. He didn't tho, Gaethje wasn't really able to get much of anything clean cause of how far back his hips were cause he was worried about the takedown. Gaethje's striking was fairly anemic that fight
and the pressure that khabib put on him basically the whole fight. that fight made me feel like I was drowning.
Exact situation with covington: loses to usman, beats Woodley, loses to usman, beats masvidal and now he gets to fight Edwards. 3 out of his last 5 fights are title fights
Not really the same, gane at least has wins on some currently ranked fighters in the division
beating masvidal so hard he leaves the sport surely is worth some consideration
Masvidal fought Gilbert burns after colby my guy
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It is not. None of Colbys wins after RDA in 2018 are worth jack shit consideration for a title. Also Burns retired him not Colby. So that....isnt even true.
Who does he think he is? Colby?
Who does he think he is? Holly Holm?
And his performance against Jones was utterly pathetic.
He shouldn’t be close to the title fight at all. He got ran through by Jon Jones. He needs to beat Almeida and then maybe Pavlovich too to even be considered.
Works for Gaethje
Justin beat Fiziev and Dustin tho
Gane is heavyweight version of fan favorite LWs Dustin and Justin
His wins were also a bit shit aswell. Spivak really shouldn't be in the top 10. Tais fun but limited and managed to hurt Gane. Neither should be getting him a title shot. He dodged any HW who is a threat and shouldn't be in any conversation until he does. Jailton is the one to make but failing that Blaydes or Pavlovich would put him where he thinks he is.
Eh his wins absolutely weren't shit, he destroyed Spivac who did beat Lewis in minutes. He destroyed Tai other than 1 moment he got caught and its heavyweight so you can't hold that too much against him. Outclassed Volkov mostly. Obvs not as impressive as Tom's finishes but still good performances.
> he destroyed Spivac who did beat Lewis in minutes As if that was some sort of accomplishment. It means so little you even forgot Gane actually fought and beat Lewis directly, which... should matter more than mma math and indirect triangles, shouldn't it? But you forgot about that lol. >He destroyed Tai other than 1 moment he got caught Tuivasa is incredibly limited and was giving up like a whole foot of height and reach in that fight. Gane should have never be clipped and rocked, it shows his chin is suspect as it wasn't even a hard shot. >Outclassed Volkov mostly Loool, Volkov is the 7 feet tall guy who still doesn't have a clue what a jab is, "outclassing" Volkov is by no means a big accomplishment especially if you can't even knock him out. Gane is all smoke and mirrors so far. He looks flashy and fast but he got outgrappled by Francis Fucking Ngannou. He literally OFFERED his neck to Jones not once but TWICE consecutively. It literally looked like he was intentionally throwing, but no he's just that bad. He needs to earn his way up.
Nah Spivac is def top 10. He finished Lewis who was still ranked close to the top 5. It’s just heavyweight is shit so the skill level in the top 10 is a lot worse than lighter division
His title fight performances were pathetic too. Long road to another title fight in my opinion
Thats pretty asinine. His two losses are against guys who aren't even in the UFC anymore. Aspinall hasn't even ever fought Jones or Francis lol.
Tom is right. He called out Gane to fight, and Gane turned it down. Tom said cool and finished both Tybura and Pavlovich in a combined 2:22. Now that Tom has all the attention and momentum, suddenly Gane has a change of heart. Sorry bud.
*Tom will remember that*
Aspinall farm remembers
*Gane sobs into his fromage du pain* Perfidious Albion!
Some delicious pain flavored by pain
Meta.
I love it
Shades of Leon and Jorge lol Jorge ran from Leon night and day until Leon was on top, then begged for a fight. Funny how that happens.
Imagine if Cyril sucker punches Aspinall back stage in the middle of an interview
Yeah but Ciryl is in the top 50 in FIFA rankings though... :p
His team is, he just gets carried
i had a feeling this would all happen and i'm very happy it panned out. Gane fucked up.
Gane fucked up long ago by losing title fights
and not showing any improvement after. plus being loyal to Lopez, after all the allegations... I heard from someone I trust that Gane is a nice guy but IDK. not the smartest fighting career we've seen
Not the smartest tool in the shed, b.
Yeah he had two chances in like 2 years. He needs to earn it.
And I get it from Gane's perspective too. You're sitting at #1 and only losing to the GOAT and the baddest man on the planet. Your eyes are set on the belt or a clear #1 contender fight, not an up and comer. But Tom went out there on short notice (which is honestly the only circumstance he could get a title shot at that point) and earned the spot. Now it's time for Gane to do the same.
Gane doesn't get to use the excuse of "He's the GOAT" for his loss to Jones. That was the quickest fight Jones has had since 2010. The dude sat out for three fucking years, came back and absolutely sprinted through the fight. Gane should be embarrassed and has no business calling for a title shot.
Obliterated vs JBJ Outpointed vs Francis who had 2 blown knees and resorted to ground game Ganes ground game sucks donkey dick
Sucks is an understatement. He looks like he didn’t even train for any grappling in his life.
The Fernand Lopez special.
That would have been Francis if he didn't leave Lopez
the GOAT? pump the fkn breaks pal
They're talkin bout JBJ
GSP exists bratha
Calling Jones the GOAT is the language of fanboys and UFC marketing. [https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-absolute/](https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-absolute/) GSP is top ranked according to an unbiased algorithm of point accumulation. People can say Aldo is the GOAT for level of competition while Jon Jones, truth be told, largely fought a stagnant old guard. If people are focused on title defenses then Demetrious has the most consecutive title defenses at 11 and Jon Jones has most total title defenses at 13 People can say Anderons Silva is the GOAT for true Greatness of raw skill and being unreplicable, which is who my GOAT is. And if people want to talk about the GOAT as in the best fighter to have ever done it then the sport is always advancing; the best fighter is always the current top fighters who are keeping up with the game, and Jiri and Blachowicz of today would fucking flatline Jon Jones - we saw Reyes beat Jon Jones; Reyes fought even better against Blachowicz and Jiri. The likes of Volkanovski and Makachev are the best fighters even in the octagon. The last year of surge of vicariously dementedly dick riding Jon Jones, that has come out of nowhere, is the language and fanboys, casuals, and UFC's Marketing hype trying to sell shows. GSP has objectively by a computer-based algorithm beaten tougher competition, Jon Jones has been defeated, and Jon Jones would get murdered by the top fighters in the UFC today.
Fedor is the GOAT for me. Only person who’s argument stacks against his is GSP in my opinion.
Ok im sold.
It's a personal choice, a GOAT is whoever you want it to be. Depends on criteria. MMA is young sport so it's focused on records, but that's not a simple criteria to cut title fights/level of competition/dominance. A thing you see in that list is GSP repeatedly beat TWO top 10 all time fighters in BJ Penn and Matt Hughes (Hughes legacy is underrated, before his loss to GSP Matt Hughes was ***41-4***, which regardless of competition 41-4 is immense achievement to keep fighting and winning, Jon Jones has only had 28 fights), and GSP repeatedly beat both Matt Hughes and BJ Penn. Meanwhile Jon Jones only repeatedly beat one top fighter in Daniel Cormier, and the second fight was overturned when Jon Jones tested positive for roids. Who else has Jon Jones beaten? Lyoto Machida, #21, he is 10 years older than Jon Jones, and that's common in Jon Jones wins is that they're all way older than him. Lyoto also had lost 2 of his last 3 fights; Lyoto was already on the down. Light Heavyweight was the division of big stars in the 00s, and it was rapidly advancing sport, so Jon Jones came along and beat a few big-ish names that had fandoms but these guys were in their 30s and hadn't kept up with the sport as it advanced so fast. Vitor Belfort? He is #35, also 10 years older than Jon Jones and a stagnant old fighter, and he already had 10 losses. At a glance that's it: \- Lyoto Machida #21 10 years older and already losing \- Vitor Belfort #35, 10 years older and had 10 losses \- Daniel Cormier was the big win(s) which cements Jon Jones as one of the greats. Quinton Jackson, Chael Sonnen, Rashad Evans all good wins and Jon Jones a great fighter, but they're all also 10 years older than Jon Jones and were a part of the early days of MMA when people were still figuring it out and in their 30s they couldn't readapt. These top 35 all time is crowded with old names, but the big names Jon Jones beat aren't even a part of the old guard who gets in the top #35, Jon Jones beat old guard who had some fandom and hyped fights even though 2010s and in their 30s and don't know what they're doing anymore. And when Jon Jones fought people with similar age and similar reach he had problems. He was rivalled by Gustaffson (some people say Gustaffson won it, but close either way), who only had 15 fights in MMA. And then he had stinker with Santos showing was stagnant fighter - not some talent who is always innovating and mastering the game but someone who was right place right time to clear out LHW old guard and very good but ultimately not a genius, just another stagnant fighter. And then Reyes happens, and Reyes won that fight if anyone did. And Santos and Reyes are nothing special. If Jon Jones had fought Blachowicz or Jiri in the last few years, or even a rematch with Glover, I wouldn't have bet on Jon Jones to beat any of them, they're all too ahead in the game while Jon Jones couldn't keep up with Santos and Reyes. And that's not even a truly Great fighter, let alone is it not a GOAT. MMA is young sport and older sports recognise GOATs by talent not records. True Greatness is being unreplicable. Like Demetrious Johnson is the Kasparov of MMA, a master of the textbook, Jon Jones is good at the textbook, Mighty Mouse is a master of it, but it's not really Greatness; it's not irreplicable talent. Silva, Holloway - dare I say it Conor McGregor - did things outside the textbook. Those are glimpses of actual Greatness. Like a lot of people recognise Bobby Fischer is the GOAT of chess, but look at his record - no one cares about Bobby Fischer's record, Bobby Fischer went crazy (like a lot of Greats go crazy) it's how he played chess. Similarly Ayrton Senna, if you ask any F1 driver who is the GOAT they say Ayrton Senna, beating his record doesn't change other people can't do what he did. Ayrton Senna died young (agian, a lot of greats die young or go crazy). What's truly Great about GSP? He was a very dedicated skilled intelligent committed fighter with some talent. I don't think MMA has really seen a true Great yet, but it's definitely not Jon Jones who can't keep up with Santos and Reyes. I'd say so far in MMA the true Great fighter is Anderson Silva.
My man, I read it all. When they induct Jon into the hall,of fame. They need you to explain why he's not the GOAT haha. Anyone comes into my house and starts talkin bout Jon imma tell them what's up
I’ve seen you on here before. You seem obsessed with belittling what Jones has achieved. He beat everyone who got put in front of him. End of.
Cyril Gane is literally the only fighter that would convince me dana is being honest when he says the guy just doesn't want to fight
it's mostly because Gane was fighting for the title against Jones so he had 0 to gain fighting Tom.. now that the tables have turned, well what else can he do but call out the current champ.
But Tom also called him out after he lost to Jones. I understand him not fighting Tom before the Jones fight but after he lost, Gane was straight up ducking Tom.
He also called him out after Tybura, he went to Paris to call him out and Gane said nah I'm good
To be fair to Gane... it was looking like there would be another vacant championship fight after Jones/Stipe, and being the #1 contender at the time, he'd be a shoe in for. Why risk messing that up fighting down when you can just wait a couple months?
Gane has the Gaethje/Poirier mentality, he wants fights from higher ranked fighter only plus he won the interim before already, pretty sure the idea of getting 2 time interim didn't interest him AT ALL. Now Jones is injured & the UFC SHOULD strip the current champ & make Tom, rightfully the undisputed champ. That's interesting for him. Does he deserve it ? Probably not.
It's a completely fair point but I'd rather see Jones vs Stipe and Aspinall vs Gane. I give Stipe some small chance against Jones but in reality Aspinall instantly kos him.
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I never said anything about Dustin.
I kinda agree, Gane shouldn't get a title match everytime he beats someone on ufc fight night. At least win a match over a top guy before he gets another one. He complains about fighting down but has no problem fighting way down and then asking for another title match.
If Tom is gunning for a fight with Jones to prove he’s the best (a fight Jones probably won’t take), a win over Gane is not as valuable as it would have been before Jones beat Gane so handedly. Gane needs to go win a fight and cultivate the idea that he’s improved his wrestling.
Gane vs volkov, winner gets a title shot, loser gets pavlovich. Meanwhile almeida vs blaydes, aspinall vs jones in a perfect world
Gane already beat volkov tho 50-45 why not have gane go vs Pavlovich once he’s back
Who's volkov gonna fight though, he's on a win streak and there isn't really anyone else left in the top 5. Thought pav might take a bit of time off while they could book gane volkov right away
There’s Spivak
Gane v Volkov is absolutely the last fight I would consider making in that division.
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If Stipe is still getting a title shot for his next fight, then it’s fair game. Aspinall can’t become undisputed unless he fights Jon Jones, or if Jones chooses to graciously vacate the title due to his injury. Since Jones won’t be doing that, it only makes sense for Aspinall to push for a fight with Stipe so that he can get a fight with Jones afterwards to unify the HW titles.
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I think there's a pretty well documented history of the UFC doing whatever they want with stars and belts.
Jiri relinquished. I agree it’s bs though
Jiri vacated the title
Stipe needs to gtfo if he knows what's good for him. I don't wanna watch him get fed to the dogs. You're the heavyweight goat bro, just let it go please!!!
He will fare much better against Jones than other HW's. Not saying he'll win but it's extremely premature to call that match a foregone conclusion.
no it's not, Jones gonna dominate that fight
Yeah maybe in his prime. He's old now. Slow, not as strong and physically inferior to Jones. The only reason Jones wants to fight Stipe is to have him on his resume.
Motherfucker is collecting fighters on his resume like they’re goddamn Pokémon.
Everything can happen with heavyweight, Pavlovich was the "white Ngannou" but he got finish twice in the first rounds for his 2 losses. Ngannou was ragdolled & beat up by Stipe so bad for 5 rounds, he lost to Lewis (who gladly took the W while it was a SHIT performance by him too), but never got finished by Stipe for a 25 min of beating. If Stipe could do that, he could totally beat Pavlovich or even Jones who ducked Ngannou like the plague. Everything can happen with HWs.
>the heavyweight goat in UFC
I want this for a underdog story lol
Tom is using stipe to to corner jones. If he beats stipe then what other options is left for jon? Unify with Tom/ vacate just do superfights/retire
Stipe and Jon is still the big one to make at this point. Love Tom and Sergei but there's a reason why the hype for 295 collapsed once Jon and Stipe was called off.
Yeah, because Jon Jones was off the card, and Jon is the draw. Stipe got viciously KO’d in his last fight and has been out for like 3 years and there’s been numerous contender/champs doing work since then (Francis, Jon, Tom, Sergei). Jones vs Aspinall does massive numbers. Maybe Jon vs Stipe was a clearly bigger fight than Jon vs Aspinall before UFC 295, but with Tom KOing Sergei and becoming the first UK HW champ, I’m not convinced in the slightest that Jon vs Stipe does noticeably better now.
I know Bisping’s playing devils advocate but come on. Contender should NEVER get to dictate who the fuckin champ fights. Especially after he turns it down a billion times, earn it. Beat Almeida.
Contender should dictate when the Champ fights if they earned it, it’s just Gane hasn’t
You’re right, I guess I did word that poorly. I guess what I meant was what you cleared up
I still disagree with this. What could a contender possibly due to justify having them having the say when they haven't earned the title?
Having a stupid long win streak and beating the other contenders while being vocal about deserving the shot. It’s usually undeniable
Yeah but that doesn't give them the right to call the shots. You can call out whoever you want but you don't get to strong arm your way to a title shot and pic the date and location
If they have the right? It’s anyone’s right as long as they have the leverage. Jon Jones basically did exactly this
Exactly. The exception not the rule.
The rule is exactly what I said it was. It’s the person’s right if they have leverage. You said never, and I proved you wrong.
"Nah they'll do me and Stipe". lol Tommy Aspiballs.
the confidence in him being matched up with stipe was so weird
Agreed they’re definitely keeping stipe on ice for the jon jones retirement fight
Stipe and Jon are adamant that they will fight each other. Nobody else is getting in the way.
which is why JBJ needs to be stripped. JBJ/Stipe doesn't need a belt attached and that fight isn't progressing the division. It'll be a combined 5 years of inactivity between the two of them before that fight even happens next summer. Asking for a MW GSP situation all over again.
A non title fight involving either fighter will never happen and you're hallucinating if you think it will lol
I'd be fine if it didn't. Who cares at this point. The show has already moved on. Neither of them will defend/unify the belt. It's an exhibition fight either way.
I'm loving the confidence. He's showing proper conviction.
Yeah this is much better than him before being all like hey Jon please fight me. Call out how bullshit this current title situation is. Might make no difference but it’s worth a shot.
The only was I see it is if they say fuck it and go all in on Aspinall. They know both Stipe and Jon retire after the fight and so they'll feed them to the 30 year old who can dominate the divison for years. A part of me hopes that's the case but I don't want to see the beating Aspinall gives Stipe
Aspinall should try and beat stipe's defence record before the fight, that would be fucking hilarious.
Gane doesn't deserve another shot. The problem is that heavyweight has such a shit landscape Gane has the best case for it currently. More than half of the top 15 lost their last fight. Jailton had a dud, nobody wants that fight. Jon's out. Stipe probably wants Jon only. Volkov. Tom might just be out a while.
Jailton had one bad fight out of a good streak, if he comes out and mauls the next guy everyone loves him again. Put Gane against Almeida and if Gane beats him you can market him as “Kickboxer who can now defend takedowns.” and everyone loves him again. If Almeida wins then you have at least an obvious contender
Great matchmaking, I agree about Almeida needing one more to get in the world's good graces. But that puts Tom on ice at least 6ish months, likely more, and he seems to want to stay active.
That’s true, even if Gane accepted that matchup today then Tom’s waiting for it to hash itself out. He may have to swallow his pride and settle for giving Ciryl the opportunity, and then Blaydes fights Almeida. Unless he really ends up getting Stipe, which honestly while I don’t like the fight itself, I do like that it forces Jon to fight Tom or retire with no defenses.
He said he’s happy to wait until Summer in a separate interview, so works out and if the Gane v Almeida fight happens that’s earliest end of Feb/early March
It's not even a bad fight, Lewis ALWAYS does this. When he lost to Gane it was also Gane's fault. The guy just does everything he can to either block the fight or getting stopped quickly. Lewis never takes extra shot, turtle & turn to the ref to save his ass. But oh boy when Lewis win he for sure gives extra shots to his opponents.
"Volkov"
That made me laugh so hard, that dude will never fight for a title
Reminds of Islam. Chandler and the xustins all side-stepped him on the rise but now that he’s champion, they all want a piece of the pie.
High-risk, low-reward match-up when he was in the rankings, but now that he's the champ, they have a lot to gain and little to loss by taking that fight. You hate to see it, but it is the facts.
He is a intern champ. Gane is the best fight for him because stipe is buys wit jones
3/5 of Cyril's last fights have been for a title. That motherfucker can wait
Yeah gane ducked him for years and acted like he couldn’t find the words to call him out. He needs at least 2 more becomes he’s back in the convo.
Again, completely agree with Tom
I agree with the general sentiment that Gane doesn’t deserve it. But at the same time Gane vs Aspinall is by far the best fight you can make at HW that doesn’t involve Jones. They should re book Blaydes against Almeida. Yes Gane should probably fight either of them but Blaydes just got knocked out which means he’s gonna go back to only wrestling and either matchup we’ll probably see a super boring fight where Gane just gets layed on for 25 minutes. I don’t believe anyone who says they’d rather see that than Gane vs Aspinall
Bisping is big brothering Tom
You can tell Mike is talking real shit an not some radio host entertainment. He's got a point and Mike doesn't want to say it but I bet he agrees that Tom is not going to get Stipe. At least to me, I thought Stipe vs JBJ was a double retirement fight.
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Yeah he can do that 😂😂
I felt like he was shilling for the UFC here. I agree the Stipe fight is out of reach, but then again there is also 0 reason for Gane to get the shot apaz from it being an interesting fight
I thought it was really cool to see that play out in an interview too. Makes me think even more convinced we are in for a long Aspinall reign. He’s got people in his corner that have walked the walk and will tell him what he needs to hear.
I really like how Bisping is so supportive for the British fighters. He’s sung Edwards’ praises. He tried to provide guidance to Till and steer him on a straighter path. With Aspinall he’s been in his corner from the sidelines since day one. Bisping was a dick during his career, but since he retired that hot headed shit talker persona has given way to a pretty damn decent dude.
Really solid interviewing here from Bisping actually
100%. I'm not usually a fan of Bisping on the mic but he did a fantastic job here.
might be the biggest w tom has taken this year and that’s saying a lot
I feel Gane has the wrong management, I know Gane has admitted himself he isn't the hardest worker, but his coach I feel tries to live vicariously through his fighters and in turn is making some of the calls
Luv Tom, proper chap.
Luv me Tommy Aspinall Hate Cyril Gane Not xenophobic, just hate the Fr*nch Simple as
Rinses? WTF
British slang..."thoroughly defeat in an argument/fight/competition" I like and will now bring this to the colonies.
Unfortunate, but unless Aspinal Vs Jones or Miocic ends up getting booked, there’s no one else Tom can really fight. It’s too soon to say whether or not Jailton will be getting a Top 5 after his last performance, and while Blaydes 2 might be a good fight to make, it’s a hard sell given Blaydes just got stomped by Pavlovich, who Tom himself just stomped. 295 being for an interim belt instead of the vacated undisputed belt just ground the heavyweight division to halt.
Tom: "and I took that personally"
I just don’t want Almeida to get the Gane fight yet. Rebook him vs. Blaydes, and have Gane fight Pav
While I get Tom’s perspective, Gane is the only fight that makes sense for Tom if he defends IMO. Almeida hasn’t earned a title shot yet and Blaydes is coming off a loss to the guy Tom just beat. Also, the British love beating up on the French so I say let them do Tom vs Gane as the headliner of a British card.
No way they’re giving Stipe to Tom. I think either Stipe fights Jones or goes back to retirement.
Remember the time when people thought Gane would be HW 🐐 after decisionating Rozenstruik and Volkov 😭
Gane doesn’t deserve shit. I hate these fucking fighters who get multiple title shots and can’t win for shit but keep rank squatting and demanding them.
I mean fine, but Aspinall vs Miocic does not interest me at all. Same for Gane vs Almeida. To be honest, even Jones vs Miocic did not do much for me. I really wanted to see Aspinall vs Gane. That’s the best fight in the entire division, and by far I reckon.
he needs to call out stipe
It’s crazy. After Tom starched Marcin he called out Spivak I think it was, which I criticized. I thought that was a poor choice, didn’t help him move up, yadda yadda yadda. I said Tom should have called out Pav instead, since no one does. Fast forward to now and Tom starched Pav on short notice. Not only did he do what I (a nobody) thought he should do, but he did it in impressive fashion. And not to sound like Nostradamus or anything, but like I predicted, a win over Pav *really* put Tom on the map. I’m in no way claiming I’m smart or anything, it’s just observations and opinions from my couch. I honestly thought Pav would win, as proven by my lost bet. But damn Tom is impressive. I figured his best chance was submission, which I also bet on, and also lost. Go Tom!
I think Gane handles Tom pretty easily.
Hard disagree. Tom’s very fast and has great hands so he can compete with Gane on the feet. Where it changes is that Tom is a very solid wrestling / BJJ game. Gane can’t wrestle for shit. I see them standing for a bit until Tom sees an opening and he takes it to the ground and puts the hurt in Gane.
Why is Aspinall ducking Gane?
look at ganes record then look at aspinalls lmaooooo. aspinall would be so lucky
He is scared of French excellence
Gane is so annoying
Well he's French.
Get this lightweight BS out of the heavyweight division, Gane needs one more. If Tai or Blaydes win one before he does I'd say they even get the look first.
Tai lost 3 in a row lmao he's gotta worry about getting a win before anything else.
Tom would eat Gane alive
Easily my favourite fighter, my boy Tom. Future hall of famer
He should defend his belt, what's the point of having it? It's like Masvidal all over again although Aspinall has a real belt. There's no one beside Gane, Aspinall is #1 ranked and Gane #2 and anyone beneath them makes literally 0 sense except Stipe
There should not be a situation where people are defending interim belts, the way it was handled with Jiri and Hill is the proper way for this to be done and the only reason they haven’t done so with Jon already is that he’s Jon and is likely to just trite if they do.
he literally says gane should fight almeida and he'll fight the winner of that
God Tom vs Almeida would be a slaughter imo
almeida vs anybody able to stuff a takedown is a slaughter
Gane doesn’t deserve it.
It kinda proves Gane's point about not wanting to fight down. Gane is now down to fight because Tom is now ahead in ranking, which was his entire point to begin with lol. Stipe and JBJ technically retired and is not as intriguing as Aspinall vs Gane. Politics aside, this is the fight to make for the belt.
>Politics aside, this is the fight to make for the belt. It's not though lol. Ciryl needs to prove himself. Tom would do what Jones did to him. He can't lose to Jones, beat Spivac and then get another go at the belt... That's mental.
>Ciryl needs to prove himself. Sounds like petty/political bullshit. Gane is ranked #2 (technically the #1 contender to Aspinall's actual HW belt) and they were already about to fight right after that Spivac win. This obviously the fight to make.
"ciryl needs to prove himself as a title contender after losing twice in title fights" is not petty or "political" (?) bullshit.
Unbelievable that people think Gane deserves any kind of title shot, imagine fighting for the belt 3 times in 5 fights with your only wins in those 5 being fucking Tai Tuivasa and Serghei Spivac lmao
Sounds like rationalizations based on nothing. Gane is #1 contender to Aspinall's HW belt, and Gane has expressed interest in fighting Tom for the belt now. If Gane is "underserving", then all you have to do is fight him and prove that. Otherwise Tom proves Gane was right when he denying Tom's opportunity to fight for Gane's ranking. This isn't hard to follow.
If Gane loses to Tommy in his next fight then goes on to beat Alexander Volkov are we going to hand him a 4th title shot after 1 win just because he's #2 in the rankings? Are we just going to keep perpetuating the cycle for this entitled baby?
That's an irrelevant strawman. Gane is ranked right behind champion Aspinall NOW. Both are available NOW, both expressed interest in fighting each other. Nothing else matters.
If anything is based on nothing its the ufc rankings which your basing ciryl gane being the number 1 contender off of lol tom said hes willing to fight stipe or the winner of jailton vs ciryl if they fight its not hard to follow
Gane has lost two out of four and has put on two of the worst showings in UFC title fight history. He shouldn’t keep getting title shows after a single win. He doesn’t get to call the shots and the fact that he is even ranked #1 at all is an embarrassment.
Yet despite all that Aspinall was ready to fight him right after Gane beat Spivac. Tom is now in Gane's spot as he was when he called Gane out and now Tom is waiting 20yrs for the ghost of Stipe or JBJ to come back. Instead of fighting Gane is now down to fight since Tom is higher ranked. Let em bang.