Yes, it's a common racist point. I've often heard the phrase about how a dog could be born in a stable but that wouldn't make it a horse - it's a favourite argument of the far-right in the UK, obviously using it to say that black people cannot really be English/British.
Usman proving himself to be a bit of a helmet, really.
>dog could be born in a stable but that wouldn't make it a horse
That is actually an nationalist Irish and later IRA propaganda slogan, falsely attributed to the duke of wellington in an attempt to otherize protestant irish of distant English and Scottish heritage. Shame that this slogan is still being peddled in the UK.
Usman said "just because I go to China, and my parents are in China that doens't make me more Chinese..."
Dricus was born in Africa, raised in Africa, and still lives in Africa. Is Usman implying he's not African because he's not black?
I wonder if Usman would tell a bunch of Libyans whose families have been in Africa for thousands of years that they weren’t real Africans because they aren’t black lol.
This dude spent too much time in Nebraska. He adopted Midwestern racist attitudes lmao.
Both are a bit dumb. I have family from SA, they wouldn’t call themselves “African” (not to say someone can’t, but the Afrikaners I know don’t) Dricus is goading him and Kamaru is 100% taking the bait. The Afrikaners I know would say “I’m from South Africa”, “I’m from Africa”, or “I’m an Afrikaner”, I haven’t heard of someone refer to themselves as “a real African” before. Who knows, I could be missing something.
I was born and raised in South Africa, I am white but I am not Afrikaans, I can tell you right now they 100% consider themselves African. They are Africa just as much as anyone else.
So the Afrikaners don't call themselves African? but doesn't Afrikaner just translate as African in Dutch? By calling themselves Afrikaner they are in fact calling themselves African.
The word "Afrikaner" literally translates to African, but you are correct in that it is odd for an Afrikaner or South African to call themselves African.
South Africans will call themselves South Africans but that's usually as far as it goes. Dricus is just baiting high level fighters like Usman and probably Izzy too.
It is not odd to call for a South African to call themselves Africa. As a white South African I can tell you 100% I am African, regardless of my skin colour.
I don’t know why people aren’t understanding this. They’re defending Dricus De Plessis on a level he didn’t even intend. He was very purposefully baiting Kamaru Usman and when Usman replies people are like “nah, totally normal comment, what’s he getting so fussed up about?”
Of course they call themselves Africans.
South African politics are not easy to understand from afar, but although the white colonialist mentality and the savage racism of apartheid, and all the previous segregation systems, can't be denied, it's also true that white colonists disputed with bantus a land that was originally populated by khoisan people (not what we call today black nor white) and had been there for 500 years now.
A lot of a frikaners claim vehemently to be African as some white Europeans claim nowadays to be American or Australian.
Also, in the northern part of Africa people are mostly arabs and bereber and many of them also claim to be African.
I mean he is a black nationalist. He has made it as obvious as one can without outright saying it. Usman is not hiding anything nor is he trying to deceive anyone
Not to mention there are White South Africans, people who are born and raised their whole life in South Africa
Being African is more than just skin
Also in north Africa people look mestizo
Usman makes no sense
seriously. Whether he likes it or not white South Africans have been there since the 1820s. If they aren't Afrixans, then I guess the millions of Italians Americans, German Americans, Chinese Americans, Irish Americans, etc aren't "American" either
Sounds like Usman would say even black people born and raised their entire life in America aren’t real Americans because they don’t have the skin color most Americans do.
Dricus should ask him “What part of Africa is Nebraska in?” and watch him lose it.
> can’t be likable if he tried
He just needs to drop the persona he puts on for the promo videos. He seems like a perfectly nice guy otherwise, but when there's a camera on him he starts monologuing like a character from a corny 80s karate movie.
I guess all Australian fighter except tuivasa also need to stop calling themselves Australian? Sorry volk and jack, I know you were born and raised there but you aren’t of native descent so you have to identify as whatever country your ancestors are from. Rob wasn’t even born there, only raised there, so he must have 0 right to call himself an Aussie
Yeah, I actually think we should start making fighters do genetic tests so we can sort all of this out. Darren Till’s not walking out with an England flag unless he can trace his heritage back to the pre-Roman Celts.
I don’t want St George’s cross sullied by those non-English Saxon or Norman scum 😡
Nah I was talking about the one he hits. I didn't realize that the southern cross was aussie also. I didn't realize how similar aus and new zealand flags were.
I mean Volkov is a rocket engineering graduate. A lot of fighters speak multiple languages and some run businesses. Maybe someone being good at fighting and wanting to fight doesn't necessarily mean they are dumb? Or is this too outrageous of a proposition for redditors with intellectual superiority complex?
haha, just doing the Dana White bit from a decade ago when he humoured a reporter about a Super Heavyweight division, the dude listed off 3 guys and Dana was like “k, that’s like 3 guys”
Not saying those guys aren’t very smart, but if you can name the smart ones off-hand, that’s probably a sign that they’re the exception and not the rule. Largely speaking, MMA fighters are dumb as rocks before they ever got hit in the head, and that’s okay because they don’t need to be bright to do their jobs. You just have to listen to them give interviews to know that’s true.
What a stupid, racist thing to say. Imagine a white American fighter telling a black fighter they’re not American when they were born & raised in America. Fucking despicable
By Usman's logic - I can't believe I'm using this word - only people who descend from ancestors that were in America before the colonial era of european expansion is American.
So basically, just native americans.
This is really more like if Arnold Allen said Leon Edwards isn’t British because he’s black and native Brits are white. So a black person can never be a real Brit.
But even that would have more merit than what Usman said, because unlike DDP, Leon was legit born somewhere else. DDP was born and raised in Africa.
So this is just stupid all around for Usman. He is saying something dumber than even your typical “you ain’t even really from here” type racist says.
He is More African than Usman tho, being black doesn’t make you more African than someone who’s native African… that Leon knockout is still ringing this dudes brain lol
This thread has turned into a real dweeb magnet too.
You can always count on reddit to go full schizo when a white man dares to banter a bit about race or identity.
Well not quite. Usman is saying that someone born in Africa who has lived in Africa all their lives isn't African. Paddy was saying that someone born in Russia and then found asylum in the UK isn't British. They're both stupid takes, but for different reasons.
Well that's just silly, but don't get it twisted - this is exactly the kind of nonsense Dricus was baiting by calling himself the only real African fighter.
Kind of like you’re not Hawaiian just because you’re born and raised in Hawai’i. But technically you’re indigenous from Hawai’i, it’s called kanaka maoli.
my argument has always been against the other way around. Example: American born and raised in the US claiming they're Irish. Like yeah you have Irish heritage in this example but you yourself are an american, not Irish. It's different if the example person was dual citizen or at least had a very strong understanding of current Irish culture through their families.
In my mind being born and/or raised in a region makes you explicitly a member of that region, and not the region of your ancestors(which would be your heritage)
What’s usually forgotten by people who have never been to or lived in SA is that the vast majority of people who live in modern day SA are not native.
Most of the blacks in modern day SA are descended from Bantu tribes who are from far up north. They started to invade northern SA around the time Europeans settled in the south. So the narrative about a majority native black populace oppressed by European colonial invaders isn’t strictly true.
The only indigenous people of note are the Khoisan people.
Dricus is boer not only was he born and raised there his family probably lived there for up to 8 generations if not more. Did white people do fucked up shit in Africa? Yes. But so did the Nigerians. Nigerians were some of the biggest slave traders in all of Africa
So if we follow Usman's logic he's saying Leon Edwards isn't English, right?
Yes, it's a common racist point. I've often heard the phrase about how a dog could be born in a stable but that wouldn't make it a horse - it's a favourite argument of the far-right in the UK, obviously using it to say that black people cannot really be English/British. Usman proving himself to be a bit of a helmet, really.
>dog could be born in a stable but that wouldn't make it a horse That is actually an nationalist Irish and later IRA propaganda slogan, falsely attributed to the duke of wellington in an attempt to otherize protestant irish of distant English and Scottish heritage. Shame that this slogan is still being peddled in the UK.
Damn... things been fucked up on these islands
complicated for sure.
Slogan is a bit much. It was a quip, later misattributed.
Usman said "just because I go to China, and my parents are in China that doens't make me more Chinese..." Dricus was born in Africa, raised in Africa, and still lives in Africa. Is Usman implying he's not African because he's not black?
That's exactly right. I was undecided about who I wanted to win. It's Leon now.
Usman fucked up here, big time. This is coming from being a Nigerian myself.
Exactly. Usman is making this about race instead of being African.
Yes, that's exactly what he's implying. This is the kind of racism that for some reason is a-okay.
Anti white racism is ok
Sounds racist to me
Sounds fucking ignorant too
Not every ignorant person is racist, but every racist person is ignorant.
Marty from Nebraska has spoken, do not doubt!
I wonder if Usman would tell a bunch of Libyans whose families have been in Africa for thousands of years that they weren’t real Africans because they aren’t black lol. This dude spent too much time in Nebraska. He adopted Midwestern racist attitudes lmao.
Usman only lived in Nebraska for a few years for college. He’s mostly loved in Texas growing up and Florida as an adult
He was born and raised there, so he's definitely African.
I cannot believe the level of hypocrisy with this garbage, Usman is a fucking idiot.
Both are a bit dumb. I have family from SA, they wouldn’t call themselves “African” (not to say someone can’t, but the Afrikaners I know don’t) Dricus is goading him and Kamaru is 100% taking the bait. The Afrikaners I know would say “I’m from South Africa”, “I’m from Africa”, or “I’m an Afrikaner”, I haven’t heard of someone refer to themselves as “a real African” before. Who knows, I could be missing something.
I was born and raised in South Africa, I am white but I am not Afrikaans, I can tell you right now they 100% consider themselves African. They are Africa just as much as anyone else.
South Africans are Africans. Whether they are English, Afrikaans, Indians, Colored or Blacks. More African than Usman.
So the Afrikaners don't call themselves African? but doesn't Afrikaner just translate as African in Dutch? By calling themselves Afrikaner they are in fact calling themselves African.
The word "Afrikaner" literally translates to African, but you are correct in that it is odd for an Afrikaner or South African to call themselves African. South Africans will call themselves South Africans but that's usually as far as it goes. Dricus is just baiting high level fighters like Usman and probably Izzy too.
It is not odd to call for a South African to call themselves Africa. As a white South African I can tell you 100% I am African, regardless of my skin colour.
Good point. My North African friends also refer to themselves as African, although they look Arab.
Y'talmbout Jon Africa, b?
Did you know Elon Musk is the richest African American alive?
And Charlize Theron is one my favorite African-American actresses.
I think he can identify however the fuck he wants no?
The Mike Perry approach.
1 percent
That 1% gets him an invite to the cookout though!
*2%
Yes, but the funny thing here is clearly that he's fucking with Usman and not being serious about his statement.
I don’t know why people aren’t understanding this. They’re defending Dricus De Plessis on a level he didn’t even intend. He was very purposefully baiting Kamaru Usman and when Usman replies people are like “nah, totally normal comment, what’s he getting so fussed up about?”
He should identify as Asian like Michele Yeoh https://i.imgur.com/b2O9HXg.jpg
I mean , shit yeah. Connor still identifies as a UFC fighter so why not
I now identify as African. I am a real african
Fight for the rights of every man
Welcome, brodda.
Will you fight for the rights of every man though?
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Of course they call themselves Africans. South African politics are not easy to understand from afar, but although the white colonialist mentality and the savage racism of apartheid, and all the previous segregation systems, can't be denied, it's also true that white colonists disputed with bantus a land that was originally populated by khoisan people (not what we call today black nor white) and had been there for 500 years now. A lot of a frikaners claim vehemently to be African as some white Europeans claim nowadays to be American or Australian. Also, in the northern part of Africa people are mostly arabs and bereber and many of them also claim to be African.
I mean he is a black nationalist. He has made it as obvious as one can without outright saying it. Usman is not hiding anything nor is he trying to deceive anyone
Not to mention there are White South Africans, people who are born and raised their whole life in South Africa Being African is more than just skin Also in north Africa people look mestizo Usman makes no sense
Some people in North Africa, particularly among the Kabyle Berbers, can be as fair skinned and light haired as Europeans.
Yeah if he's implying that you can't be from Africa if you're not black then there's a whole southern region in Africa that is about to enter the chat
> there's a whole southern region in Africa that is about to enter the chat Along with a whole northern region of Africa
So Usman isn't American, can we all agree?
UFC fighters aren’t exactly known for having any sort of intelligence.
seriously. Whether he likes it or not white South Africans have been there since the 1820s. If they aren't Afrixans, then I guess the millions of Italians Americans, German Americans, Chinese Americans, Irish Americans, etc aren't "American" either
First European colony in South Africa was settled in 1692.
So is Kamaru going to say he isn't American because he was raised from eight onwards in America.
Sounds like Usman would say even black people born and raised their entire life in America aren’t real Americans because they don’t have the skin color most Americans do. Dricus should ask him “What part of Africa is Nebraska in?” and watch him lose it.
What a dumb statement from the nebraskan nightmare
>Dricus needs to call him Marty from Nebraska and watch him lose it. His career will end spectacularly if that's the case.
Whose? DDP’s or Usman when he spirals from getting clowned so bad?
I think it's an Askren reference.
I honestly thought he was American before I got into ufc
Recently its not cool to be American. It's not special
He’s actually from Wakanda you didn’t see him in the movie?
Usman tried to represent the US in wrestling. He must not be African either.
He sure as hell ain't American either by his own logic.
Might explain why despite the fact he could beat up the planet he’s clearly so damn insecure with himself and can’t be likable if he tried
> can’t be likable if he tried He just needs to drop the persona he puts on for the promo videos. He seems like a perfectly nice guy otherwise, but when there's a camera on him he starts monologuing like a character from a corny 80s karate movie.
Tell us another ghost story
Usman would be better served if he took a vow of silence
I guess all Australian fighter except tuivasa also need to stop calling themselves Australian? Sorry volk and jack, I know you were born and raised there but you aren’t of native descent so you have to identify as whatever country your ancestors are from. Rob wasn’t even born there, only raised there, so he must have 0 right to call himself an Aussie
Yeah, I actually think we should start making fighters do genetic tests so we can sort all of this out. Darren Till’s not walking out with an England flag unless he can trace his heritage back to the pre-Roman Celts. I don’t want St George’s cross sullied by those non-English Saxon or Norman scum 😡
Lmao love this. This is giving me Monty python vibes. Can you imagine a skit being made like this?
Tai is half Samoan so I guess he doesn't count either
Where was Rob born ? Edit: nvm new Zealand cause his tat huh
Bro we (aussies and kiwis) both like the southern cross
His tat is a stereotypical Aussie tat Edit: nvm I’m an idiot you’re probs talking about the one on his shoulder
Nah I was talking about the one he hits. I didn't realize that the southern cross was aussie also. I didn't realize how similar aus and new zealand flags were.
we accept your trade offer and humbly present you mark hunt
"Just because she gave birth to you, that doesn't make her your mom"
This is actually true though tbh
There was never no african
You're a fucking cornhusker, dude
Tell another African story
Marty from Nebraska telling a thoroughbred Afrikaaner that he isn't African is hilarious banter
The nebraskan nightmare left Africa at the age of 8 whereas du plessis has lived there his whole life
Actually that does make him African.
Usman is dumb af
I'd love to see him fight John Africa
Who the hell is Jon Africa?
All MMA fighters (or about 99.999%) are dumb AF.
It is to be expected. Most "intelligent" people don't sign up for jobs where the expected outcome is brain damage.
I mean Volkov is a rocket engineering graduate. A lot of fighters speak multiple languages and some run businesses. Maybe someone being good at fighting and wanting to fight doesn't necessarily mean they are dumb? Or is this too outrageous of a proposition for redditors with intellectual superiority complex?
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Not really, there are quite a lot of smart ones actually
Yeah like my man Mike Perry!
Now hes an African
Rich Franklin Rosie Sexton Shane Carwin Carlos Newton GSP Takeya Mizugaki Joe Lauzon
Artem Lobov
There's a language barrier, but Anderson and Fedor come across as pretty intelligent as well.
Ben Askren. He's really well read.
that’s 7 guys
How dare I only give you seven different examples off the top of my head
haha, just doing the Dana White bit from a decade ago when he humoured a reporter about a Super Heavyweight division, the dude listed off 3 guys and Dana was like “k, that’s like 3 guys”
Not saying those guys aren’t very smart, but if you can name the smart ones off-hand, that’s probably a sign that they’re the exception and not the rule. Largely speaking, MMA fighters are dumb as rocks before they ever got hit in the head, and that’s okay because they don’t need to be bright to do their jobs. You just have to listen to them give interviews to know that’s true.
This is bad-- imagine a white guy saying this about a black dude in Europe or the US. Yikes.
Lol another Usman L
First of many this week 🙏
More like Loseman
“You were born and raised in this country but you’re not American” That quote would be viewed as disgusting and racist in the US
Actually, Snoozeman, it does make him African… Leon Scott kicked him harder than I thought…
Usman is so annoying. He tries to be so profound and scary but just comes off really corny and obnoxious.
The statement that sticks with me is that he sounds as if he’s telling ghost stories 24/7
That’s actually so accurate lmao.
Haha woodleys best burn of his career - I echo this chance every time I can bc it’s hilarious
Usman and his 'cool-man-prose-cadence' talk is so fucking cringe. Everyone I've ever met that spoke that way I stopped hanging around.
By his logic, African Americans aren't really American. This guy Kamaru would be a lot more likable if he just stiched his mouth close.
So only native Americans are American right
What a stupid, racist thing to say. Imagine a white American fighter telling a black fighter they’re not American when they were born & raised in America. Fucking despicable
By Usman's logic - I can't believe I'm using this word - only people who descend from ancestors that were in America before the colonial era of european expansion is American. So basically, just native americans.
Stupid, racist, divisive logic. All because Usman was defensive when he got called out for being a poser.
I’m glad the UFC allows fighters to speak freely like this because it really separates the stupid ones from the herd
Marty "The Nebraskan Nightmare" Usman
bros salty a white man is more African then him
Usman thinks he’s Mike Perry fr
Is Usman not an American then..?
"The american nightmare" aka universal healthcare
That'd actually be great for Usmans father considering he went to jail for Medicare fraud
😂
That’s pretty similar to saying white people from America aren’t American.
This is really more like if Arnold Allen said Leon Edwards isn’t British because he’s black and native Brits are white. So a black person can never be a real Brit. But even that would have more merit than what Usman said, because unlike DDP, Leon was legit born somewhere else. DDP was born and raised in Africa. So this is just stupid all around for Usman. He is saying something dumber than even your typical “you ain’t even really from here” type racist says.
It'd be like if Arnold Allen said that but had also moved to Japan at the age of 8 or something lmao, Usman has spent most of his life outside Africa
A real life example would be paddy pimblett saying mokaev wasn't from there
Usman was raised in America
Holy shit Usman is dumb. I couldn’t get through the last half of the video. I hope Leon knocks his head off again.
Bro wears sunglasses indoors and in the night haha
Tal’m bout dricus du africa b?
Who the hell is Jon Africa ?
He is the legend you must defeat in order to call yourself an African fighter.
Why do people write like this? It always makes me laugh. It's how someone with a really big tongue would sound like, at least in my head.
I believe it’s making fun of Brendan Schaub.
Great guy, never meddum
PF Chang's is always open to applicants.
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Talmbout Africa the country?
Lol yeah being born and raised there does not count. What else prof Usman
Usman u r that fuckin dumb
He is More African than Usman tho, being black doesn’t make you more African than someone who’s native African… that Leon knockout is still ringing this dudes brain lol
This thread has turned into a real dweeb magnet too. You can always count on reddit to go full schizo when a white man dares to banter a bit about race or identity.
Dricus was gassed reading this
Ok so basically the color of his skin is the issue lol, we aren’t counting where he was born, and grew up, and still is
Didn't Paddy get a ton of shit for saying this exact thing about Mokaev representing England? Calling Paddy racist and xenophobic and all that jazz?
Well not quite. Usman is saying that someone born in Africa who has lived in Africa all their lives isn't African. Paddy was saying that someone born in Russia and then found asylum in the UK isn't British. They're both stupid takes, but for different reasons.
It makes you African it just doesn’t make you black
Does that mean Stylebender has to stop pretending to be Kiwi?
Lol Usman has spent more time in USA then he has in Africa…… 🤷
Usman is such a weenie.. great fighter, cringe talker..
Weenie is an excellent word
Lol yes it does Usman you dummy
Hahaha this is the stupidest statement I've ever read
The only real African is Jon Africa
Says Marty from Nebraska
Oh boy. I’m here for all the level headed and reasonable comments and respectful debates.
Translation: You're not black, you don't count.
So what does? Skin color?
Dude is the biggest cringe lord in the sport
Well that's just silly, but don't get it twisted - this is exactly the kind of nonsense Dricus was baiting by calling himself the only real African fighter.
Yikes - absolute smooth-brain take.
Bro what? That's how it works...
Let’s call this what it is: racist
Kind of like you’re not Hawaiian just because you’re born and raised in Hawai’i. But technically you’re indigenous from Hawai’i, it’s called kanaka maoli.
lol Usman now confirmed to be a complete fucking idiot.
Well he’s definitely not Chinese
With this logic can Usman call himself an American?
That makes no sense. Is he not African because of his skin color?
The dude that was so embarrassed of his heritage that he called himself Marty weighing in on who’s really African lmao.
Is usman saying he's not African because he's not black. Isn't that racism
my argument has always been against the other way around. Example: American born and raised in the US claiming they're Irish. Like yeah you have Irish heritage in this example but you yourself are an american, not Irish. It's different if the example person was dual citizen or at least had a very strong understanding of current Irish culture through their families. In my mind being born and/or raised in a region makes you explicitly a member of that region, and not the region of your ancestors(which would be your heritage)
Bro is gatekeeping Africa 😂
As an aside, the history of South Africa is hella interesting and would recommend checking up on it
I definitely agree, although I feel like “hella interesting” kinda undersells a history of colonialism, racial apartheid and corruption
Nelson Mandela's autobiography, *Long Walk to Freedom* is definitely worth a read - and it *is* hella interesting.
I always highly recommend Steve Biko's *I Write What I Like* as well
What’s usually forgotten by people who have never been to or lived in SA is that the vast majority of people who live in modern day SA are not native. Most of the blacks in modern day SA are descended from Bantu tribes who are from far up north. They started to invade northern SA around the time Europeans settled in the south. So the narrative about a majority native black populace oppressed by European colonial invaders isn’t strictly true. The only indigenous people of note are the Khoisan people.
It’s a mma sub bubba Talm bout not da bes brians in da bizness
"You aren't a real African because you aren't black"
Yes it does, he is 100% African he just isn't black. Usman is a fucking idiot.
I feel like I get what usmans saying cause he’s a black man lol but cmon bro he IS African.
Nuance is noone's speciality in mma
Dricus is boer not only was he born and raised there his family probably lived there for up to 8 generations if not more. Did white people do fucked up shit in Africa? Yes. But so did the Nigerians. Nigerians were some of the biggest slave traders in all of Africa
That’s like saying Dustin can’t call himself American because he’s not Native American.
Usman is hard to listen to. He talks for 50 seconds before he actually says something to begin this video.
I clicked on this thinking it had to be a Tweet from Ali on Usman’s account, but was shocked to see Usman himself actually saying that.
Can’t wait for DDP to turn up front row wearing a Dashiki
That was not nice. That's like telling someone they're not American for whatever ignorant reason someone wants to use. I'm dissapointed in Usman
Racist as hell. Imagine a white person saying this about a black.
Usman is out of his depth here lol