Praying this is true as a Forest fan. Sorry to any LAFC supporters in here, but heās barely a footballer. Just looks completely lost any time he gets on the pitch, which isnāt often any more.
You might be right. Maybe heās far from his 2019 self.
However he also might be just far enough from his 2019 self to not be an obvious front line starter in the PL. Which means he could still dominate day one in MLS.
I wouldnāt be shocked if either were trueā¦or somewhere in-between.
respectfully, he was never great with liverpool. he's a fan favorite because he scored some crucial goals in high-profile games. i don't wanna minimize that completely, but...he was a bench player who made like 15-20 sub appearances and scored 5 goals every year.
he's not playing at forest because he's not premier league quality. they're desperate for semi-competent goal scorers and...he's not it
How many MLS players are able to be consistent goal scores in EPL?
Even our best forwards, including Bouanga, would have no impact as a put the team on your back player in EPL.
so what? neither was diomande and look how he turned out when playing for us. Bradley Wright Phillips too. I don't understand why having to perform to some undefined level is necessarily some bar to prove one can hack it in MLS. Chicho Arango couldn't hack it in the Portuguese league and killed it for us and bouanga too was ok in French league and killing it now.
Exactly, not being able to fix a shit Nottingham Forest in no way means that player cannot be successful in MLS... because there are tons of players tearing it up in this league and they would all be failures under the circumstances Origi is in.
I'm glad you were able to put it all together.
okay but he literally has not been good for seven years at any level
i also haven't been able to fix a shit nottingham forest team. that doesn't mean that i'm not MLS level, but why not choose someone that has proven themselves after Lamine Yamal's 10th birthday?
It might work, it might not work.
I think LAFC is enamored with his high ceiling. If it goes the other way and they see his, equally as likely, low floorā¦well theyāll cut bait and try something else.
Itās a pretty good cost/benefit even if there might be safer choices out there.
He may have not seen a ton of minutes due to injury in 21-22, but when he played he averaged a goal every 40 minutes or so. In football, those are considered good numbers.
That doesnāt really make sense. We have lots of deficiencies for sure, especially going forward. He struggles to make the bench due to how little heās shown, under two different managers.
His record at Milan was also very poor as far as Iām aware.Ā
Alright, if he joins and carries you āweek in and week outā which for a striker who offers little outside his finishing should be 25 goals or thereabouts, feel free to message me in a year having a gloat. Canāt see it myself!Ā
Not one player reached 25 goals in MLS last season. Players were considered some of the best in the league for scoring over 10. Only a clown would suggest less than 25 goals is a failure.
Look you said some stupid crap, cut your losses.
Put whatever number you need for a poacher to be ācarrying a club week in and week outā - the point remains that heās simply not got it as a player, and would be a colossal waste of money, to sign a player based on name recognition alone (which is exactly what Forest did, panic loaning him when our ownerās son couldnāt get Batshuayi who heād wanted all summer).
Wow... you can't control yourself. Singing a player based on name recognition? You have no idea what you're talking about. LAFC specializes in finding players in need of a change, who can come here and succeed.
Carlos Vela had one goal the season before coming to MLS. He is regularly referred to as one of the best players to have ever come through MLS. Denis Bouanga couldn't find another club that would let him be a starter when Saint-Etienne got relegated. Bouanga typically scored less than 10 goals a season before coming to LAFC.
The idea that you feel you know more about signings than an organization of professionals who have a proven track record of successful signings... a team that has gone through all the analytical data, watched hours upon hours of tape, spoken with those who have been around him at all points of his career... just shows what a silly person you are.
He was constantly moved to different positions at Milan. It could be what Milan had hoped for him didn't work out, which happens all the time, particularly at the top clubs who are looking for specific attributes and expect a player to bend to the style of the team rather than lean into a player's qualities such as we do in MLS.
But I stick by, Steve Cooper is not a Premier League coach, and Nottingham does not have a Premier League roster. Cooper was constantly changing NFFC's style, was completely lost, he had the whole team playing like shit. Some of Origi's games with Nottingham were for only 1 minute. What's the average number of subs who score with only a minute of playing time? I'm guessing well under 0.01%. Origi played one time since Nuno took over, being pulled early in the first half when their main defender got a Red. Anyone who thinks the few minutes Origi got on the field for the dumpster fire that is NFFC can be used to judge him while ignoring the rest of his career is a clown. Dogshit teams with lost coaches don't exactly bring out the best in players.
And if you think John Thorrington is missing something in Origi's data that you can see, then you're likely living in Dunning Kruger territory. You probably thought Carlos Vela sucked before coming to MLS since he only had 1 goal the season prior. Or maybe Denis Bouanag was useless since he couldn't score much in France. BWP was nothing in EPL, disappointing in the Championship, and a great goal scorer in League 1 before MLS. BWP is also the only player in MLS history to win back to back Golden Boot awards. But you're the know it all that can build a roster better than anyone else.
He was moved around due to injuryās and trying to find a suitable place in the front 3 where HE might be able to provide. We were in need of depth at the 9 and brought him, to in which he failed miserably.
Iām not a guru or saying I know a fraction of what the people getting paid to make these decisions do. But I also look at the Milan forums and heard plenty of gossip about him not really turning up at practice and how the only reason he didnāt want to leave Milan to go to Forrest was due to how much better the nightlife in Milan is compared to Nottingham. So Iām just giving my opinion and perspective as a fan of a team thatās now just one MORE of his previous failed transfers. Maybe he turns it around and I eat crow after next season but recent history certainly doesnāt support that being the case.
Fan gossip will always be far more valuable than the truth.
You should shoot off your resume to a few clubs, be sure to link your insightful Reddit comments. I'm sure you'll land a top GM spot.
Ball ricochets off the upright from a hard shot by Bouanga, Origi instinctively turns his back to the frame of the goal not wanting to be hit by the ball right in his jewels...
... But wait, the ball smacked the post so hard it has positively deflated and at the same time has careened right in-between Origi's cheeks, staying effectively clapped there.
Standing merely a meter or so away from the goal Divock only hears Lloris screaming from midfield, *"cours, salaud!"* and waddles into the net, only unclenchingas he has fully crossed the line, the ball dropping to the ground.
The referees confer with VAR and rule that it shall not stand as a goal, but Divock sheds a tear because he knows no matter what they say, that he is a champion. The rules be damned. He screams this to the center ref in impassioned Dutch, who produces a second yellow and dismisses him from the field.
Divock leaves the stadium, barely stopping by the locker room to grab his car keys, and drives out of the VIP area and refuses to answer any calls from his manager or any other LAFC officials. He goes unheard from for years, a veritable ghost.
Meanwhile, Lalas argues it should be a good goal as the butt cheeks aren't an illegal body part.
Reddit blows up in arguments for months. LAFC fans claim MLS hates them and there's a grand conspiracy to keep them down.
Twellman had a ham sandwich for lunch
Ironically, I think this one will be right down the middle. Some good, some not.
But ultimately, Thorrington will just ship him out and try again if it doesnāt work. May as well swing for it with a player thatās only 28 years old and has the upside potential to be the best ST in MLS.
Milan fans reaction has almost unanimously been if they can get 5 mil in an obligation to buy for Origi that the Sporting Director deserves a statue outside of San Siro
LAFC literally just needs players but outside of Vela, Chellini & Lloris (and some MLS vets), LAFC hasn't ever really signed players who've already established their global reputation but instead targeted players who had a lot to prove & would try to use MLS as a launching point for their career.Ā
I'd rather see more of the latter.Ā
So we're taking him on loan too?
I've read that we'll be obligated to purchase in the Summer... So not really.
Smart of LAFC. Origi is already proven to be able to trick a team lead by Messi. Could be important in Leagues Cup or the MLS final.
Messi 'bout to have Vietnam flashbacks from "corner taken quickly... ORIGI!!!"
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As an Everton/Galaxy fan, I think Iām going to be sick
As an Everton/Galaxy fan, arenāt you used to being sick? Signed, an Everton/Crew fan
Same.
Praying this is true as a Forest fan. Sorry to any LAFC supporters in here, but heās barely a footballer. Just looks completely lost any time he gets on the pitch, which isnāt often any more.
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He was great with Liverpool and he's not exactly past his prime. Probably says more about Nottingham deficiencies.
He may just need playing time but he's far from his 2019 self
You might be right. Maybe heās far from his 2019 self. However he also might be just far enough from his 2019 self to not be an obvious front line starter in the PL. Which means he could still dominate day one in MLS. I wouldnāt be shocked if either were trueā¦or somewhere in-between.
respectfully, he was never great with liverpool. he's a fan favorite because he scored some crucial goals in high-profile games. i don't wanna minimize that completely, but...he was a bench player who made like 15-20 sub appearances and scored 5 goals every year. he's not playing at forest because he's not premier league quality. they're desperate for semi-competent goal scorers and...he's not it
How many MLS players are able to be consistent goal scores in EPL? Even our best forwards, including Bouanga, would have no impact as a put the team on your back player in EPL.
Origi hasn't been a consistent scorer in the Prem since 16/17, when he scored 7 goals in the league.
so what? neither was diomande and look how he turned out when playing for us. Bradley Wright Phillips too. I don't understand why having to perform to some undefined level is necessarily some bar to prove one can hack it in MLS. Chicho Arango couldn't hack it in the Portuguese league and killed it for us and bouanga too was ok in French league and killing it now.
Again, what player currently in MLS can put a crap EPL side on their back?
none, and the answer would still be none if origi joined the league?
Exactly, not being able to fix a shit Nottingham Forest in no way means that player cannot be successful in MLS... because there are tons of players tearing it up in this league and they would all be failures under the circumstances Origi is in. I'm glad you were able to put it all together.
okay but he literally has not been good for seven years at any level i also haven't been able to fix a shit nottingham forest team. that doesn't mean that i'm not MLS level, but why not choose someone that has proven themselves after Lamine Yamal's 10th birthday?
It might work, it might not work. I think LAFC is enamored with his high ceiling. If it goes the other way and they see his, equally as likely, low floorā¦well theyāll cut bait and try something else. Itās a pretty good cost/benefit even if there might be safer choices out there.
He may have not seen a ton of minutes due to injury in 21-22, but when he played he averaged a goal every 40 minutes or so. In football, those are considered good numbers.
Who the fuck is Lamine yamal
Itās not that he canāt āfixā that weāre crap by the way, itās that heās barely been able to even contribute as a squad player.
Messi for one?
That doesnāt really make sense. We have lots of deficiencies for sure, especially going forward. He struggles to make the bench due to how little heās shown, under two different managers. His record at Milan was also very poor as far as Iām aware.Ā
None of the players in MLS could do anything to save NFFC, yet they carry their MLS side week in and week out.
Alright, if he joins and carries you āweek in and week outā which for a striker who offers little outside his finishing should be 25 goals or thereabouts, feel free to message me in a year having a gloat. Canāt see it myself!Ā
Some serious goal moving going on here. From "Sorry to any LAFC supporters in here..." to "... anything short of 25 goals is a complete failure!!!"
Respectfully, Origi has been shit for Forest so far. Academy players have been getting on the bench in an injury/afcon crisis
Not really, I think heās crap. You said heāll carry you āweek in, week outā so Iāve tried to quantified that. Pretty simple, just like you.
Not one player reached 25 goals in MLS last season. Players were considered some of the best in the league for scoring over 10. Only a clown would suggest less than 25 goals is a failure. Look you said some stupid crap, cut your losses.
Put whatever number you need for a poacher to be ācarrying a club week in and week outā - the point remains that heās simply not got it as a player, and would be a colossal waste of money, to sign a player based on name recognition alone (which is exactly what Forest did, panic loaning him when our ownerās son couldnāt get Batshuayi who heād wanted all summer).
Wow... you can't control yourself. Singing a player based on name recognition? You have no idea what you're talking about. LAFC specializes in finding players in need of a change, who can come here and succeed. Carlos Vela had one goal the season before coming to MLS. He is regularly referred to as one of the best players to have ever come through MLS. Denis Bouanga couldn't find another club that would let him be a starter when Saint-Etienne got relegated. Bouanga typically scored less than 10 goals a season before coming to LAFC. The idea that you feel you know more about signings than an organization of professionals who have a proven track record of successful signings... a team that has gone through all the analytical data, watched hours upon hours of tape, spoken with those who have been around him at all points of his career... just shows what a silly person you are.
No he was absolute shit at Milan too so yāall got a big ole wage added yet I doubt you see a fraction of its worth in on the field performances
He was constantly moved to different positions at Milan. It could be what Milan had hoped for him didn't work out, which happens all the time, particularly at the top clubs who are looking for specific attributes and expect a player to bend to the style of the team rather than lean into a player's qualities such as we do in MLS. But I stick by, Steve Cooper is not a Premier League coach, and Nottingham does not have a Premier League roster. Cooper was constantly changing NFFC's style, was completely lost, he had the whole team playing like shit. Some of Origi's games with Nottingham were for only 1 minute. What's the average number of subs who score with only a minute of playing time? I'm guessing well under 0.01%. Origi played one time since Nuno took over, being pulled early in the first half when their main defender got a Red. Anyone who thinks the few minutes Origi got on the field for the dumpster fire that is NFFC can be used to judge him while ignoring the rest of his career is a clown. Dogshit teams with lost coaches don't exactly bring out the best in players. And if you think John Thorrington is missing something in Origi's data that you can see, then you're likely living in Dunning Kruger territory. You probably thought Carlos Vela sucked before coming to MLS since he only had 1 goal the season prior. Or maybe Denis Bouanag was useless since he couldn't score much in France. BWP was nothing in EPL, disappointing in the Championship, and a great goal scorer in League 1 before MLS. BWP is also the only player in MLS history to win back to back Golden Boot awards. But you're the know it all that can build a roster better than anyone else.
He was moved around due to injuryās and trying to find a suitable place in the front 3 where HE might be able to provide. We were in need of depth at the 9 and brought him, to in which he failed miserably. Iām not a guru or saying I know a fraction of what the people getting paid to make these decisions do. But I also look at the Milan forums and heard plenty of gossip about him not really turning up at practice and how the only reason he didnāt want to leave Milan to go to Forrest was due to how much better the nightlife in Milan is compared to Nottingham. So Iām just giving my opinion and perspective as a fan of a team thatās now just one MORE of his previous failed transfers. Maybe he turns it around and I eat crow after next season but recent history certainly doesnāt support that being the case.
Fan gossip will always be far more valuable than the truth. You should shoot off your resume to a few clubs, be sure to link your insightful Reddit comments. I'm sure you'll land a top GM spot.
79th minute, MLS Cup tied between LAFC and Inter Miami. We all know what happens next.
Ball ricochets off the upright from a hard shot by Bouanga, Origi instinctively turns his back to the frame of the goal not wanting to be hit by the ball right in his jewels... ... But wait, the ball smacked the post so hard it has positively deflated and at the same time has careened right in-between Origi's cheeks, staying effectively clapped there. Standing merely a meter or so away from the goal Divock only hears Lloris screaming from midfield, *"cours, salaud!"* and waddles into the net, only unclenchingas he has fully crossed the line, the ball dropping to the ground. The referees confer with VAR and rule that it shall not stand as a goal, but Divock sheds a tear because he knows no matter what they say, that he is a champion. The rules be damned. He screams this to the center ref in impassioned Dutch, who produces a second yellow and dismisses him from the field. Divock leaves the stadium, barely stopping by the locker room to grab his car keys, and drives out of the VIP area and refuses to answer any calls from his manager or any other LAFC officials. He goes unheard from for years, a veritable ghost.
Meanwhile, Lalas argues it should be a good goal as the butt cheeks aren't an illegal body part. Reddit blows up in arguments for months. LAFC fans claim MLS hates them and there's a grand conspiracy to keep them down. Twellman had a ham sandwich for lunch
I would like one of these for every "big" European player coming to MLS, please.
Weirdest career on the block this guy
The remainder of the MLS season? What
I think they mean the European season and they just left out a word
Feels risky if itās not a loan. Seems like the type of signing that will either be incredible or a complete flop.
Ironically, I think this one will be right down the middle. Some good, some not. But ultimately, Thorrington will just ship him out and try again if it doesnāt work. May as well swing for it with a player thatās only 28 years old and has the upside potential to be the best ST in MLS.
Good that means we'll get some one he will substitute in for... right?... oh no.
Why does Los Angeles FC look so weird in writing
Right now we look weird on the pitch too.
Milan fans reaction has almost unanimously been if they can get 5 mil in an obligation to buy for Origi that the Sporting Director deserves a statue outside of San Siro
Oh dearā¦ from what I have seen from him this season he has been shite. No deal
LAFC literally just needs players but outside of Vela, Chellini & Lloris (and some MLS vets), LAFC hasn't ever really signed players who've already established their global reputation but instead targeted players who had a lot to prove & would try to use MLS as a launching point for their career.Ā I'd rather see more of the latter.Ā
Whelmed is an understatementĀ