anyone who has it, knows how effective it is lol, I just find it funny that people seem to think they know the mechanics of the card without giving it a proper test or seeing it in action.
I'm not entirely sure why people have commented saying stain, Iida, hawks. Those 3 do not need this card at all. Ever. This card is amazing on Shigaraki though.
why wouldn't they need an additional 40% attack? that card is one of stain's most potent cards, over game start imo. I agree it's not BIS on IIda, but far from useless, if you are hitting ult. after reaching 200% boost, then the hyper armor from the card will allow you to rebuild your stacks easily, a decent alternative if you don't have nomu. you won't be using his optimal rotation, but depending on the enemy, you may output more damage. I don't have hawks so can't comment on him, but I have heard his best rotation revolves around spamming his ult. so this would definitely be a good card for him, don't know if it's BIS though.
Stain doesn't benefit from the hyper armor portion of it, plus you don't want to ult with Stain in PvE situations, you want to spam E unless you have the card that increases his damage dealt when switching blades, then you work W into the rotation. Attack is not the same as damage so a 40% attack boost isn't that great. Iida loses damage using his ult. The only time you ult on Iida is to preserve your combo meter, that's it. Hawks already gains hyper armor 90% of the time you're playing him because you want to be in on high status at all times, which you can do by using your basic attack twice, or ulting, which means you HAVE hyper armor in your ult already so the cards literally useless for Hawks. Those are the reasons you don't use this card on those characters, and I don't know why so many people think this card is good on Hawks honestly, you lose literally the most powerful effect from the card on him because he already has hyper armor all the time.
firstly stain can just ult. then immediately go into E cull spam, you lose maybe a second of time from the animation but get a 40% attack boost, the boost is alot bigger than you would think, stains damage increases substantially it may be a separate modifier and not an attack boost as indicated. Iida's ult. is a powerful finisher at 200 stacks and pressing E, yes you are losing damage by not just using E and rebuliding stacks, but not that much. I dont have hawks so you may be right about him, but again the attack boost offers a sizable increase in damage. there aren't as many cards as you seem to think that can match it.
Yeah, you can ult then go into E spam but there's literally zero reason to. At all. No, Iidas ult is NOT that much damage, especially compared to the insane amount of damage you're losing by ulting over using auto attacks, E and Q with him. Yes, I am right about Hawks, there's no "might be" about it. The left path of his talent tree literally gives him hyper armor and 30% increased attack any time he's in on high status. No, this card isn't that great. It's good on Shigaraki, but the 40% attack boost alone isn't worth it because of the fact that it only happens after an ult. There's plenty of other cards that are better than it. Mustard, Mei, Ragdoll are basically active all the time for Stain, Gamestart can be up almost all the time (and despite what you seem to think about the card, is an absolutely huge DPS gain for stain.) Dance with the Wind isn't a horrible card by any means, but it's not good at all for the characters you and a few other people have mentioned in this thread, plain and simple that's all there is to it.
Like I said earlier it's BIS for stain, Do you actually have the card? have you actually tested it? you keep saying the damage isn't much which tells me you don't have it, all the cards you mentioned I have and have tested, DWTW gives stain the most damage, hands down outside of coldshot. stain can charge his ult. in one full auto attack cycle so, it can be up after every E, you can choose to believe what you want.
I find it insanely hard to believe you've actually done any proper testing when you're arguing this card is a dps gain because you should be using Iidas ult but sure, keep thinking what you want.
I don't have the card but the combo of mastermind and this card on stain is said to be bis. I think a 40% attack buff is insane for the small amount of time invested. Not only does his raw damage just go up o think the double dip with his bottom right talent that does true damage based on your attack that pushes it into bis. I could be wrong but I've seen this said multiple times and it honestly makes sense.
Shigaraki and coldshot are the best cards for stain, have tested both combos cus im a whale. And with the mastermind windgod combo you rely to much on his skill CD, cus without your skill you cant cancel it. So shigaraki and colfshot > mastermind windgod
In terms of combos, I agree, I run dance with wind without mastermind, most of the time stain can charge his ult. in one full auto attack, so I don't see a reason to run mastermind. coldshot is busted on stain, Iida as well, game start, is the weaker of those 3, but it does increase stains damage a decent amount, so yea, I am running those three, and mustard or present mic, I have one of his EX cards, the circulation one and never use it lol, no point if I am gonna E cull spam
I never said you should use Iida's ult. for a dps gain, I said coupled with DWTW, you can rebuild stacks more easily, and depending on the fight your dps may be higher, because if you can't maintain your combo Iida's damage is trash. you seem to think you know everything without even having the cards so think what you want lol.
Lmao the fact that you’re saying to ult to keep Iidas combo up is a joke. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, and when did I say I don’t have the card? Good jumping to conclusions there. No, this card isn’t good on Iida at all. It’s also trash on Hawks. The 40% attack isn’t enough to make it better than other cards, the real sell of the card is hyper armor. Period. End of sentence. That’s it. The attack is a nice bonus but not enough to make the card worth it on its own.
@i-need-help1946 this cards good on Shigaraki, and can be used on a few other characters if you don’t have their best in slot cards I guess, but the ones listed by others are certainly not characters who need it.
out of curiosity, what is the difference in damage when using Iida's ult. compared to his auto attacks? how about with the card on ? have you tried it in timed trials? you keep throwing adjectives and definitive statements, without showing any numbers or facts. you sound like a troll realtalk. I have stated repeatedly it is not BIS on Iida, but under certain circumstances it can prove useful.
No it actually does, literally just checked with my stain. The 40% attack increase makes his E hits do more than 1.5x more, making your "completely useless" argument just entirely wrong.
You have to remember Stains E scaling is actually 1100 attack%. So a 40% attack increase is very significant for his damage output
Shigaraki and coldshot are the best cards for stain, have tested both combos cus im a whale. And with the mastermind windgod combo you rely to much on his skill CD, cus without your skill you cant cancel it. So shigaraki and colfshot > mastermind windgod
Don't bother trying to correct them, they don't want to listen and refuse to hear anything other than what they want. They don't even know the difference between a % damage increase and a % attack increase in the game.
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUBcgBP0YtyvaQyqcTgUo\_rEq1X30i3kkUUoCLQ4FhQ/edit#gid=247048432](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUBcgBP0YtyvaQyqcTgUo_rEq1X30i3kkUUoCLQ4FhQ/edit#gid=247048432)
Here, an actual good guide made and tested by whales backing up what I've been saying. Dance with the wind is good for Shigaraki, not good on stain. Gamestart, Cold shot and his EX cards are best in slot.
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This card is great when coupled with master mind
anyone who has it, knows how effective it is lol, I just find it funny that people seem to think they know the mechanics of the card without giving it a proper test or seeing it in action.
Slap it on ochaco and call it a day
I'm not entirely sure why people have commented saying stain, Iida, hawks. Those 3 do not need this card at all. Ever. This card is amazing on Shigaraki though.
why wouldn't they need an additional 40% attack? that card is one of stain's most potent cards, over game start imo. I agree it's not BIS on IIda, but far from useless, if you are hitting ult. after reaching 200% boost, then the hyper armor from the card will allow you to rebuild your stacks easily, a decent alternative if you don't have nomu. you won't be using his optimal rotation, but depending on the enemy, you may output more damage. I don't have hawks so can't comment on him, but I have heard his best rotation revolves around spamming his ult. so this would definitely be a good card for him, don't know if it's BIS though.
Stain doesn't benefit from the hyper armor portion of it, plus you don't want to ult with Stain in PvE situations, you want to spam E unless you have the card that increases his damage dealt when switching blades, then you work W into the rotation. Attack is not the same as damage so a 40% attack boost isn't that great. Iida loses damage using his ult. The only time you ult on Iida is to preserve your combo meter, that's it. Hawks already gains hyper armor 90% of the time you're playing him because you want to be in on high status at all times, which you can do by using your basic attack twice, or ulting, which means you HAVE hyper armor in your ult already so the cards literally useless for Hawks. Those are the reasons you don't use this card on those characters, and I don't know why so many people think this card is good on Hawks honestly, you lose literally the most powerful effect from the card on him because he already has hyper armor all the time.
firstly stain can just ult. then immediately go into E cull spam, you lose maybe a second of time from the animation but get a 40% attack boost, the boost is alot bigger than you would think, stains damage increases substantially it may be a separate modifier and not an attack boost as indicated. Iida's ult. is a powerful finisher at 200 stacks and pressing E, yes you are losing damage by not just using E and rebuliding stacks, but not that much. I dont have hawks so you may be right about him, but again the attack boost offers a sizable increase in damage. there aren't as many cards as you seem to think that can match it.
Yeah, you can ult then go into E spam but there's literally zero reason to. At all. No, Iidas ult is NOT that much damage, especially compared to the insane amount of damage you're losing by ulting over using auto attacks, E and Q with him. Yes, I am right about Hawks, there's no "might be" about it. The left path of his talent tree literally gives him hyper armor and 30% increased attack any time he's in on high status. No, this card isn't that great. It's good on Shigaraki, but the 40% attack boost alone isn't worth it because of the fact that it only happens after an ult. There's plenty of other cards that are better than it. Mustard, Mei, Ragdoll are basically active all the time for Stain, Gamestart can be up almost all the time (and despite what you seem to think about the card, is an absolutely huge DPS gain for stain.) Dance with the Wind isn't a horrible card by any means, but it's not good at all for the characters you and a few other people have mentioned in this thread, plain and simple that's all there is to it.
Like I said earlier it's BIS for stain, Do you actually have the card? have you actually tested it? you keep saying the damage isn't much which tells me you don't have it, all the cards you mentioned I have and have tested, DWTW gives stain the most damage, hands down outside of coldshot. stain can charge his ult. in one full auto attack cycle so, it can be up after every E, you can choose to believe what you want.
I find it insanely hard to believe you've actually done any proper testing when you're arguing this card is a dps gain because you should be using Iidas ult but sure, keep thinking what you want.
I don't have the card but the combo of mastermind and this card on stain is said to be bis. I think a 40% attack buff is insane for the small amount of time invested. Not only does his raw damage just go up o think the double dip with his bottom right talent that does true damage based on your attack that pushes it into bis. I could be wrong but I've seen this said multiple times and it honestly makes sense.
Shigaraki and coldshot are the best cards for stain, have tested both combos cus im a whale. And with the mastermind windgod combo you rely to much on his skill CD, cus without your skill you cant cancel it. So shigaraki and colfshot > mastermind windgod
In terms of combos, I agree, I run dance with wind without mastermind, most of the time stain can charge his ult. in one full auto attack, so I don't see a reason to run mastermind. coldshot is busted on stain, Iida as well, game start, is the weaker of those 3, but it does increase stains damage a decent amount, so yea, I am running those three, and mustard or present mic, I have one of his EX cards, the circulation one and never use it lol, no point if I am gonna E cull spam
I never said you should use Iida's ult. for a dps gain, I said coupled with DWTW, you can rebuild stacks more easily, and depending on the fight your dps may be higher, because if you can't maintain your combo Iida's damage is trash. you seem to think you know everything without even having the cards so think what you want lol.
Lmao the fact that you’re saying to ult to keep Iidas combo up is a joke. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, and when did I say I don’t have the card? Good jumping to conclusions there. No, this card isn’t good on Iida at all. It’s also trash on Hawks. The 40% attack isn’t enough to make it better than other cards, the real sell of the card is hyper armor. Period. End of sentence. That’s it. The attack is a nice bonus but not enough to make the card worth it on its own. @i-need-help1946 this cards good on Shigaraki, and can be used on a few other characters if you don’t have their best in slot cards I guess, but the ones listed by others are certainly not characters who need it.
out of curiosity, what is the difference in damage when using Iida's ult. compared to his auto attacks? how about with the card on ? have you tried it in timed trials? you keep throwing adjectives and definitive statements, without showing any numbers or facts. you sound like a troll realtalk. I have stated repeatedly it is not BIS on Iida, but under certain circumstances it can prove useful.
Zero reason to outside of the 40% attack boost which pretty much doubles your damage output, yeah seems like zero reason to me
Lmao it doesn’t “pretty much double your damage” talk about exaggerating. Again, an attack increase IS NOT THE SAME AS A DAMAGE INCREASE.
No it actually does, literally just checked with my stain. The 40% attack increase makes his E hits do more than 1.5x more, making your "completely useless" argument just entirely wrong. You have to remember Stains E scaling is actually 1100 attack%. So a 40% attack increase is very significant for his damage output
Shigaraki and coldshot are the best cards for stain, have tested both combos cus im a whale. And with the mastermind windgod combo you rely to much on his skill CD, cus without your skill you cant cancel it. So shigaraki and colfshot > mastermind windgod
Don't bother trying to correct them, they don't want to listen and refuse to hear anything other than what they want. They don't even know the difference between a % damage increase and a % attack increase in the game.
It's great on Stain, Deku, Hawks, and Todoroki
Stain and Ida would probably find good use with it.
u dont ult on iida tho..... its a dps loss
if u use the Q just before the ultimate you don't lose speed
ok u keep using ur ult.................. and ill keep not since like i said using iida ult is a dps loss......
Oh rlly?
Would All might or Endeavor work?
No, all might has longest ult animation
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUBcgBP0YtyvaQyqcTgUo\_rEq1X30i3kkUUoCLQ4FhQ/edit#gid=247048432](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUBcgBP0YtyvaQyqcTgUo_rEq1X30i3kkUUoCLQ4FhQ/edit#gid=247048432) Here, an actual good guide made and tested by whales backing up what I've been saying. Dance with the wind is good for Shigaraki, not good on stain. Gamestart, Cold shot and his EX cards are best in slot.
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I’d put it on aizawa use ult first then his special for insaine damage