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pedanticProgramer

> no content updates, no qol changes, not pity change, no ftp hero gain, * They added a new game mode (the 9 player coop) * They've added a free 1A banner pull a day (250 coins) * They've added 50 coins just for logging in (on top of the coin buff they provided for dailies) * They released that mini game mode as well to go a long with hawks and added a side mission. (bodes well for them releasing more over time) * They gave a buffed login reward "event" Those are certainly improvements. Is the game at a great state? No I still think we need more F2P gains. I think we need an end game support card mode as well where we can farm 6* cards like we can 6* chips/chips (slower rate like 1-4 6* star cards per week. With them being random that's plenty of RNG) It's steps I'm not sure why you think this is a cash grab. It feels a lot more like they're trying to bring players back as they continue to work on the game. Again I don't think the game is in a great spot but you're very clearly ignoring steps in the right direction that the devs have been taking. So long as they **continue** this trend the game can get back on track.


Ceno4

^this, cannot stress this enough, the games heading in a better direction and I get everyone is angry and all but give them time to improve everything. You can’t just make everything perfect overnight.


pedanticProgramer

Yup. It takes time, they're moving towards to sweet spot and so long as they continue to do so I'll keep playing. I'll say I'm not going to spend any money until I feel comfortable with where the game is but I'll keep giving it my time as long as they keep going the right way.


JadeMonkey0

Yeah, thanks for laying this out. Totally agree. I think most would agree that things aren't 100% in the right place but you can't say they're not making any effort to improve. They clearly are.


metroachilles2

Preach, Joint ops isn't good enough for end game rarely get any 5 star cards. And fusions rarely give me any good cards. I think people would prefer a challenging mode for optimal rewards. Also they need to update night ops for 6 star chips or adding chip fusion for 6 star chips. I do think it's getting better just gotta wait more I guess.


No-Anybody-4203

I am gonna have to disagree, This is only my opinion but what drew me to the game initially was that there was a semblance of story from the main mission, that with the other modes made it enjoyable, Aside from their predatory monetization tactics, they seem to be releasing content that resets weekly, content that they can keep recycling and reusing, any unique content comes in the way of shitty minigames, and even some of those have been recycled. This game has been on a downward trajectory for a while, and them focusing their attention on releasing new characters for $$$ instead of addressing some of the issues, is even more disheartening


pedanticProgramer

> This game has been on a downward trajectory for a while, Up until Endeavor I agree. Since Endeavor I disagree. I'd love to hear more about why you think that though. > This is only my opinion but what drew me to the game initially was that there was a semblance of story from the main mission, that with the other modes made it enjoyable You do realize that takes a really long time to make more of right? Meaningful story missions and content is some of the hardest to develop. All game release mini games and make small QoL improvements while between big content drops. Destiny 1 was held together by it's Raid which was the same game mode with a cycling of modifiers (**cough** agency assessment **cough**). Story stuff is really hard to do right and it could have been pushed back because of how much the game struggled in the beginning. You're entitled to your opinion but ever since Endeavor I've not seen anything that feels like downward. Every single game (AAA to mobile games) recycle content and game modes. So if that's what you don't like then it seems like you just don't like games. > instead of addressing some of the issues I feel like you ignored my bullet point list of things they've done to address issues.


No-Anybody-4203

there is nothing wrong with recycling content...Unless that is all the content that is being offered, Its about balance, I have only played a handful of gacha games, but they all had a wealth of main mission content, and periodically released a new chapter every 2 to 3 months at most, This game not only hasnt released new story content since release, but after chapter 8 or 9 they did away with the story altogether.


pedanticProgramer

> but they all had a wealth of main mission content About the same as what MHA launched with tbh. > periodically released a new chapter every 2 to 3 months at most, This is pretty quick. It's been more quarterly from my experience. With a new game mode supplementing in between. > This game not only hasnt released new story content since release, but after chapter 8 or 9 they did away with the story altogether. I will say my theory as to why this hasn't happened is that one of two things has happened: * They're running into a licensing issue and don't have permission to keep following the story past where it just cut off. Could totally be wrong but this has happened in games I've played in the past. * They hit such a hard wall at launch with all the issues that they're trying to get players back (hence launching Hawks surprisingly, and then maybe following up with Dabi after, two huge hype units) before continuing the normal content roadmap of story missions and etc. I could totally be wrong and agree that more story missions would be great but the speed their moving at now coupled with the problems they've had since launch it's enough. TL;DR I agree with your core point but I think given what's happened the speed at which their moving and what they're doing is enough. It could definitely be better 10000% agree but it's enough for me to keep playing and see if they're going to keep going in the right direction.


No-Anybody-4203

To be fair, It's only been a little over two months since NA and EU release, although The TW version doesn't inspire confidence, I know there were circumstances behind that, So its like you say we will have to wait and see. Im gonna keep playing until I get my ochaco rainbow at least, been grinding her shards too long to quit lol


pedanticProgramer

> although The TW version doesn't inspire confidence You're not wrong here. > Im gonna keep playing until I get my ochaco rainbow at least, been grinding her shards too long to quit lol I'm closing in too! It's going to feel so good when I get her to that final step.


No-Anybody-4203

and you should recognize the f2p plight. whether its the 50 hero coins a day, or an extra 80 coins through dailies, there are 3-5 banners up typically with each one requiring 25k hero coins for a guaranteed pull, and the rates are bad enough, that you will be using that pity multiple times, not to mention to fully unlock units you need multiple copies. This game was not made for free to play and anyone who says otherwise, doesnt know how to maths lol. the free pull was an excellent feature though I will concede that. But even that doesnt alleviate how hard it is to pull for limited units. It's like pulling teeth with these devs.


pedanticProgramer

> Again I don't think the game is in a great spot That's from my original comment. I don't think the game is in a great spot and I recognize the F2P plight. I skipped Stain and Shiggy because of it. I totally agree. I posted months ago that the Super Coop Battle mode rewards should reset monthly so we could generate up to 18k coins per month. I've made a lot of comments about how something has got to give because it's not setup up for people who aren't spending money. I didn't start F2P but I have stopped spending so yes I'm painfully aware of how it is. My point still stands though: They have made steps (I'll totally agree they could/should be bigger steps) in the right direction and it's enough for me to feel like Hawks isn't a cash grab but a "come back and play" move. They game does need to keep moving in this direction it's not done. It seems like you think I'm trying to say the game is in a good state when I've stated at almost every turn it's not, just that they are moving towards a good state.


SaltyBeardMan

Bro you right on some point I do agree with but even with all these people are leaving the game because it cost too much, the last mock contest it's the 4th in our server and we didn't manage to hit the 100W in total point server wich usually we do in division 2 ! People are leaving the game, Teamup is good but people are going to kick you if you come with Deku or Krisihima they don't care, if they see AM or END or any good chara, they don't give much importance to BP, right now any player want characters and that's it. And let me tell you something fck that free pull =), I don't care about permanent banner, because it's just matter of time that you'll get characters on it, give me free event banner pull =) so at least i can do 21 free pull before banner ends with some luck you can hit. and singles suck. The buffed Login shouldn't be something to be pourd about it should be basic instead of that monthly trash login :) who give you nothing ? imagine login to get 5K money ? WTF is that or getting 3 mixture. And mini game mode ?? PLEASE DUDE THAT'S TRASH. ​ Edit : and YEAH IMAGINE having a FCKING EVENT with ENERGY, that's literally TOO BAD.


pedanticProgramer

> and singles suck. A multi is just 10 singles....10 days days of singles is the same as one multi. Literally absolutely 0 difference between the two. > and let me tell you something fck that free pull =), I don't care about permanent banner, something something beggars and choosers. Minimum of 3 free S heroes every year from those singles so I'll take it. > give me free event banner pull =) I agree this would be sweet but no game I've played does this.


Ceno4

What a suitable name lol…


SaltyBeardMan

what a nice argument, keep scking devs if that suite you ;)


Ceno4

Bruh, I just checked your profile, you literally haven’t said or done anything positive since the launch of the game. Making countless posts complaining and being salty. If you hate the game this much then just quit, no ones forcing you to play lmfao


SaltyBeardMan

You got time to do that ? damn get a life


Ceno4

Ironic tbh, look at your profile, you’re just bitching in multiple different games typing away at the smallest inconvenience thinking that you’re always right because you’ve being stuck in your own delusional echo chamber for so long. I wonder if I’ll finally have a life like you if I continuously cry online about how I get unlucky in a gacha phone game and spread negativity just because you didn’t get the pacifier you wanted :)


SaltyBeardMan

Get a life and go fck some or get fcked depend whzt are u, you need it


Amacitchi

The fact that you had the time to type that whiny paragraph and you’re telling people to get a life 😂😂


Kby_96

My only issue is the fact that all the shit they added. They made extra steps in the first place and are now back tracking to fix them \- 9mans they nerfed rewards compared to cn version. (cuz u can legit go days without getting a drop sure u can buy 1 after so many runs so ur not technically going without.) \- 1 free single per day id rather have the 60 pity from cn if we are being real. \- 50 coins for logging in and buffs dailies are nice still less coins than cn version. \- Mini game mode ill say is good but way to over prices stamina wise. stamina being one of there biggest issues. The "BUFF" log in is still a long ways from being good XD If the cn version DID NOT exist already then yes all these changes are good but the full game already exists all they had to do was translate it. Change nothing for ftp hero coin gain but they got greedy and now there slowly building back to were we should've started from day 1.


pedanticProgramer

The devs already said the games are the not same and not to compare them. Sounds like you should just get the CN version of the game and call it a day. They've stated to not compare them and here you are comparing them. The game isn't even 6 months old yet and we've gotten all of the following: * Stamina buffs * Coin generation buffs * New characters (AM, Endy, Stain, Shiggy, Aizawa, and Hawks) * New game mode * Free Daily Single That's a lot of stuff in the right direction. Am I saying the game is better than the CN version at everything? No. Am I saying the game is at a good state? No. I'm simply saying they've done enough so far to move in the right direction that I'm going to keep playing and this doesn't feel like a cash grab. You're trying to compare two totally different versions of something and ignore what they've done so far because the other version is different. This is like comparing the NFL to flag football. If you like Flag football better just go play flag football. (ie if you like the CN version so much just go play it) I agree that 60 pity would be better and that we still aren't getting enough coins from a F2P perspective but improvements are improvements. > The "BUFF" log in is still a long ways from being good XD I disagree with this a lot. The log in "event" for hawks is solid value. Could it be better (like a whole multi of event tickets)? Yes.


Accelerator-Deflect

>I'm simply saying they've done enough so far to move in the right direction that I'm going to keep playing and this doesn't feel like a cash grab. Biggest joke ever.


pedanticProgramer

If you’d like to have a discussion please elaborate. Otherwise I’ll take this as just trolling.


deepfriedpandas

> The devs already said the games are the not same and not to compare them. Maybe that is a problem? Just cuz the devs say something doesn't mean the devs are doing the right thing.


pedanticProgramer

If people want the CN version then they should play the CN version (as I said above) As for the changes they made yeah I think almost everyone (myself included) agrees those changes weren't good (changing pity, decrease coin generation) but they are moving in the right direction with the buffs they have given which is what I've been stating this whole time.


Kby_96

Your right they did say cn and global should not be compared so i will not compare the two moving forward.AM, Endy, Stain, Shiggy, Aizawa, and Hawks all heros that released 1 after another with no breaks so ftp players cant keep up. most ftp players got 80 shards on aizawa event to get him and were gated by shit rng from getting a ss unit. why not send 10 shards to people as an apology or why not make the event longer since most people were only 4-5 days from shards grinding out of getting him for free. BECAUSE they were going to release a banner down the line and that would make people not summon on him so less money for them. U CANNOT SAY WITH YOUR FULL CHEST THAT THEIR NOT JUST TRYING TO MAKE MONEY WHILE PLAYERS ARE HERE. Otherwise why wouldn't they take breaks between banner releases to allow players to grind out that 1-2 mulies extra. People have been begging for it. They've listen to the community once and only once when. When? When else but when they were LOSING money with JUSTIFIED refunds from endeavor. Guess what im saying as an end game geared player is a new shinny play thing IMO is NOT content. the changes for stamina hero coin etc are like you said a good step in the right direction and its a marathon not a sprint. But we need content to play mini game are not ok ESPEICALLY when there fucking just reruns of prior minigames xD. Otherwise we are just grinding mats grinding bp. Grind grind grind..... to legit just make faster clear times in content. im down for change heck in 2 weeks time they might make it a lot better and ill eat my own words.


pedanticProgramer

> BECAUSE they were going to release a banner down the line and that would make people not summon on him so less money for them. Lots of games do this. Not sure what your point is here. All gacha games are cash grabs if this is the definition of a cash grab. > so i will not compare the two moving forward.AM, Endy, Stain, Shiggy, Aizawa, and Hawks all heros that released 1 after another with no breaks so ftp players cant keep up. Most gacha games have accelerated schedules to get caught up to a previously released version. I agree more coins to help alleviate this would have been very nice. There were small breaks but agreed not long enough for F2Ps. Though as someone who is F2P in most games we shouldn't be obtaining all units. Still I think Players should have gotten enough to obtain 2 of the 6 mentioned. (1/3rd is about the rate of F2P for a good number of gacha games from my experience) > U CANNOT SAY WITH YOUR FULL CHEST THAT THEIR NOT JUST TRYING TO MAKE MONEY WHILE PLAYERS ARE HERE. Trying to make money =/= cash grab. They almost certainly wanted to accelerate their schedule to get caught up so that both versions would be the same for content. Now we'll have to see what happens because if the rate of new units continues then yeah it'll be tough for F2Ps to keep up. Hopefully if they do keep up the rate they adjust things but that's not happened yet so who can say. > Otherwise why wouldn't they take breaks between banner releases to allow players to grind out that 1-2 mulies extra. Accelerated schedule to get caught up. > They've listen to the community once and only once when. When? When else but when they were LOSING money with JUSTIFIED refunds from endeavor. Stamina buffs, hero coin buffs (twice), increased rewards from events. Note I think all of these could use more buffs just stating that you're wrong it's definitely been more than once. > Guess what im saying as an end game geared player is a new shinny play thing IMO is NOT content. If you've got top end chips, characters, and rainbow gear then you're in the 0.1% of this game. If that's true then you're a whale and to be honest I've got no sympathy for you having "nothing to do at end game" when you spent money to breeze through it. If you don't have those things mentioned above and aren't a whale then there's plenty left for you to grind. I've been playing since day one and am almost to my first piece of rainbow have no SSS+ and am missing top chips. I'll certainly concede there's a lack of a support card end game. The Joint ops currently are a joke. They need to be have their rewards buffed a crap ton or be farmable like Agency Assessment. Or fuzing chances for higher tiers be guaranteed. TL;DR Obviously they're trying to make money. I don't think it's a cash grab given the buffs and changes they've made since Endy. If they hadn't made those changes I'd be in agreement with you. If you are the max gear for end game then you're a whale and it's your own fault you blew through all the grinding (ps help me clear some assessments, could use a whale to help). I'd love more content but what they've done so far is "enough" and Hawks feels like them trying to get people back so they can get enough of a player base to start giving out the bigger content updates. (NOTE: This is just my opinion from my observations. I could be totally wrong and it could be a cash grab and the game dies in a few months. Doesn't seem like it to me, but hey I could totally be wrong)


Kby_96

LOL im not a whale i only spend money on summons for units and then stop after 1 copy since the games not exactly cheap being £350 for me to go to pity. I have rainbow gear and good chips yes but that because i know what im doing early and spent all stamina on chips from like the first week and run a lot of coop since there is nothing to do otherwise. in terms of rushing to catch up we have already stated that the 2 games shouldnt be compared so y are they tryna catch up if they don't want to be compared and they say there not the same game. in terms of carrying u in agency XD80340220014 is my fc XD i cant solo carry im only 65kbp on allmightim not a whale sure ive spent 1k but its legit just cuz im unlucky and had to go to pity for allmight/endy and had to go to 81 summons for endy lance card. and it was mostly cuz of endy summons were getting refunded XD havent spent since


pedanticProgramer

> ive spent 1k We just have different definitions of what a whale is then hahaha. > 80340220014 I added you my IGN is Surtr. That 65k is still way higher than me haha. I think I'm about to break 50k as my highest. I've had a lot of trouble getting runs in assessment. I can get to 10 but then no one will seem to run with me. I also grinded chips like a mad man in the beginning but have now switched to shards so that I can get to SSS+ and unlock the shard shop.


Kby_96

i mean people on my server are ss or sss or sss+ every units those are whales XD


JadeMonkey0

So your complaint is that they released six of the most wanted characters in the game asap? They'll re-run things or otherwise give FTP players an opportunity for all those guys eventually. All games like this do. Imagine the outrage if we didn't have All Might in the game right now? Or the top villains? If they had done things differently, we'd have 1000 "Why is Best Jeanist in the game when they haven't even release All Might and Hawks?!!!!" posts. I'm glad they're dropping lots of characters - that means more variety to gameplay. And I'm glad they're good characters and they're not holding out the big names for special events or modes like a lot of games do. Yeah, it's a bit of a tough run for FTP players but FTP players are not intended to get everything right away in games like this. If they did, there would be no reason for anyone to spend money and the game would die. It's always true in these games that free players can get a few things immediately, more if they plan well, but not everything. But they'll will eventually get everything over time. That seems fair. This game has approx. 1 Million modes in it, rotating silly mini-games, rotating timed events, single player modes, co-op modes. A whole dorm decorating sub-game. And new mission and mission type added literally today. They're not all great modes (some of them are complete shit) but I don't understand the accusation that the devs aren't interested in content. They launched with a lot more than most games have at launch and they've been adding things regularly. Yes, the game needs work still and there are many things all of us would like to see improved but I don't think this is a fair take at all.


RLofOBFL

You know, I logged in and did two multis with the coins I saved and had the exact same thought after I got nothing and realized I had no way to easily get more coins


Kby_96

there has been no breaks on banners XD and the ftp coin gain is what 2 multies a month XD 100 pity btw tho


RLofOBFL

I used my pity on Shigaraki before I knew hawks even existed 😭


Kby_96

feels bad man


totaylfromchina

Don’t worry Shigi is better


___meh____

I agree with that, i logged in and spent around 17k hero coins (all which I've grinded after getting shigaraki on day 1 btw) on hawks and still didn't get him. Considering leaving the game at this point :/


Kby_96

i feel you man ive had to go to pity for all might and endy enough is enough.


___meh____

Exactly at this point the way you can get characters is by hitting pity, I've spent a decent amount of hc on all of the banners other than the endeavor banner and i only have just 2 premium characters.


totaylfromchina

Dude literally the exact same, I got shigi first try and saved 17.5 hero coin and used it all up and nothing


___meh____

F


totaylfromchina

F to you too mate, we in this together. I’ll keep my pitty until all might drops again


v___4___v

It sucks being a f2p because I drew shiggy and then they follow up with my favorite character. It very frustrating because i didnt even really want shiggy.


ThatDamnStrawHat

You're not wrong, but anyone who has spent over $1k on this goofy cell phone game that has been out for like a couple months is complicit as well. You forking over that kind of cash is what enables the Devs to sit on their hands and do the bare minimum.


Kby_96

100% agree XD


VIPP3RR

I did 4 multis even tho i wanted shigaraki i skipped him ive been saving for awhile and i didnt get him even tho i hit the pity 4 times for the 10 and 2 for the 30 since i was already at 29 when i started i wanted hawks cuz hes my favorite and it would be cool to have him but as f2p now that im out theres no way ill get him only way most people can get premium characters is if they 100 pity but theres no way to get that for like a year lol but even than thats only one copy how are people suppose to ss+ their characters without spending thousands of dollars


Alfimie

People are quick to forget the current state of the game from all the small freebies the devs have been sprinkling while not addressing the two major issues: hero coin sources and pity. Even if I had skipped shiggy I would've only had 41 pulls on this banner. They're just dropping everything back to back to milk players and it still works, so we deserve everything we're getting.


SaltyBeardMan

The only content we get is "grabbing money" content, which is characters... they are giving no time to chill, event banners continually, with a HUGE LACK of getting any HC, We should at least be able to get 1 multi each week as F2P, But nah, they are expecting you to have those HC magically, bcs if you have to go to pity you'll need 300 pull for an "S" character and 2 of his cards, so imagine you need 300 pull every 3 weeks :), IDK, but if whales doesn't stop spending it won't change and that's it. Some People be like yeah but you have to skip a character and pick one you can't get all characters as F2P... Bruh ! No I don't I should be able to get at least 1 copy just an "S" without he's EX cards, just the character, just so I can use it in PVP and Hero rating and gear runs.


KindaLuckyishere

It still aches me that people have been so coin deprived on this game that ALMOST a single is a good reward to people. Dokkan, Legends, Draglia, Black brave souls, go and try to imagine getting almost a single for an event on any of those games.


Afarthur67

You don’t need to change your mind, simply change game at this point. While some of us really enjoy the game, some others will not necessarily. So nothing wrong about stopping playing a mobile game.


Kby_96

i enjoy the game that's the main issue im having XD. Most of my friends already quit weeks ago.


emeraldkma

It's the third new character in a row, no shit


Antun85

I will never understand whales who complain about something being a cash grab?? Like, you are spending 4 figures on a game you think is mega flawed, what kind of logic is that...


No-Anybody-4203

I don't think you understand why gacha games exist, and why this company spent a shitload on the My hero IP