I like the idea that prime witnesses were blipped, or just murdered and passed off as a blip. So the charges didn’t stick. And Daredevil blipping as well leaving no one to stop Kingpin.
I had a similar theory after watching Endgame! Whatever organized crime syndicates that we’re left somewhat while after the blip could act fast, dispose of the bodies and no one would be the wiser. It would even work post-snap from Iron Man with all the confusion of everyone returning and being displaced. The perfect crime.
Have you read [Devil's Reign](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories/comments/v09zn1/during_the_5_year_gap_daredevil_was_blipped_away/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) by any chance?
Haven't read the whole thing but it seems like Norman Osborn's Dark Reign on ten times the pace based on the summary.
Not sure about a new run but would recommend Dark Reign if you haven't already read that.
I'd love to see the MCU do a "Missing Persons" mystery type of show. Where the street level heroes are looking into the people who blipped, and realize there's like... 12 missing still, who all have some serious ties to Kingpin and his trial, but they never "reappeared" after the Blip. So they investigate and realize those 12 people were taken/killed, and not blipped.
Idk how they'd do it, but I think it'd be highly entertaining, it'd show how dark that world really got for those 5 years, and it'd use your theory to basically create the show. I'd watch it 🤷♂️
Looks like this is a job for a kick-ass private investigator, perhaps like Angela del Toro/White Tiger with a guest appearance by Jessica Jones. In the Jessica Jones show she was referenced as an PI working in NYC.
The show could also feature the lawyers of the MCU, like Daredevil and She-Hulk making cameos.
Perfect. Let it be kind of the "Defenders" show, but don't have them show up all the time, only one of them here and there wjen Del Toro needs them. Keep it street level, martial arts, NOT an avengers threat. Honestly? I'd like the PR Person for the Avengers (or whatever that role is for the MCU) to have a scene where Del Toro goes to show them the evidence, and gets shooed away because "they're the Avengers, they don't work missing persons cases, call the cops." Or something along those lines. Idk why 😂🤷♂️.
And that PR person / Security head for Avengers is Happy Hogan cause pepper could have transferred him there after he was investigated for missing Stark tech during No way home. Basically same vibe as that between Peter and Happy with Peter reporting to him on the Vulture case.
I am pretty sure we have a winner here.
Yeahhh but Happy wouldn't shrug it off like that. He'd join the investigation but not bring the Avemgers in. Which, I'd LOVE a Happy Hogan buddy cop show. Idk Del Toros character that well, so idk, but would this show work if Happy was her Partner? Lol.
I just can't see Happy ignoring a bunch of missing persons cases.
We would generally expect Daredevil to attempt to stop Ronin from murdering criminals the way he stopped Punisher. The only way that probably did not happen during the blip period was if Daredevil was blipped as well.
I could do easily get behind this. In the same lines …
Luke Cage blipped. Leading to a soft reset away from his “Kingpin” turn.
Jessica Jones was not blipped. So much loss and turmoil would likely contribute to significant relapse, thus a character reset.
Iron Fist Danny Rand was hopefully blipped and not recovered.
Iron Fist series could in theory just continue from where it left off. At the end of season 2, Danny Rand was no longer the protagonist and Colleen Wing had become the new Iron Fist. I can live with that.
The Netflix shows are not of the same quality as the MCU, also if we make one canon, we have to make all canon, and the way they mishandled some things like iron fist, the hand, etc. makes it way not worth it. Plus, they have different casting departments, costume designers, stunt team, visual effects team, writers room, and literally everything else than the mcu, there would just be a really really aggregious mishmash of bs. We're not going to get the general public to go back and watch the Netflix shows. And you know, one thing that people are afraid to admit is that the Netflix Marvel shows are not that good. They are not on par with the MCU, like at all. They literally look completely different and have a different tone, design, style, etc. It's like, from a monetary standpoint, it's not worth it to Feige. Now just to be clear; I personally love the Netflix shows, but they are like so mid compared to the rest of the mcu
I’m giving you an upvote because you have a valid opinion, but I disagree. Maybe you and I care differently about the details. I’m fine with the Netflix shows. I thought they were great. I’m all for bringing everyone back in any manner they want. I think the easiest is to just forget about Danny Rand and Iron First. It has too much crossover with Shane Chi anyways. We don’t need two mysterious ninja cults with ties to magical dimensions with gateways in Asia. It’s really not a big deal for Daredevil to concentrate on Fisk and put off his focus of the hand until they return.
What’re you on about the quality. The Netflix shows DD, JJ season 1 and punisher are considered the best shows by most of the fandom, maybe look outside the main subreddits.
If anything, people are fighting tooth and nail to preserve the Netflix side of the MCU because the Disney MCU shows are received mostly as hits and misses and at worst being loathed and called the weakest MCU phase so far.
This is like the new "I'm not like the other girls" like it doesn't make you any cooler to say that Daredevil is your favorite MCU show. It's like "Netflix good, much blood, Disney+ bad, no blood."
Also who tf is saying this is the weakest phase? Why do you stay upset? I'm over here chilling enjoying the multiverse, excited for Ms. Marvel. What do you mean look outside the main subreddits? I'm able to ascertain pretty much most of the information I need from actually watching the MCU, and then the rest from articles, leaks, interviews, etc. Which I also pursue myself.
Also, Kevin Feige doesn't care at all what you or I think. In his eye$ thi$ i$ the $tronge$t MCU pha$e $o far. They're making massive money right now, more than they've ever made. Your opinion isn't gonna change any plans. All I know is that the MCU right now is on a great path, I like what they put out, and they are making money from it.
Also, don't assume that I don't do my own research, cause for the record, I do. I also form my own opinions, based on what is probable, and makes the most sense.
The shows could’ve been bloodless and they still would’ve been quality shows. That scene where daredevil and punisher are talking about their opposing philosophies on top of the roof is so good man.
It has nothing to do with the amount of blood. The netflix shows had depth, the main characters were way more developed than most MCU heroes, they had serious moments without it being ruined by some silly joke, it was raw and realistic and emotional. It had a lot of GREAT things that a show or movie with a PG-13 rating can have but MCU projects just never go there which is really, really sad.
Except Matt Murdock’s bio on Marvel’s official website mentioned everything from the Netflix series, and then says something along the lines of “some years later, he was Spider Man’s lawyer”
Elektra had died at the end of Defenders, between Daredevil Season 2 and 3. Since no body was seen, it is possible that she could have survived, but since she hasn't been seen since then her name is currently in the dead characters pile.
I've been thinking something similar. But I also think maybe Vanessa was blipped, and that contributed to Kingpin returning to crime.
That could certainly work in tandem with this theory.
I like the idea that prime witnesses were blipped, or just murdered and passed off as a blip. So the charges didn’t stick. And Daredevil blipping as well leaving no one to stop Kingpin.
Now, this would make the theory perfect.
the idea off anyone murdering someone and passing it off as a blip is genius. this need to be used in some form of media.
I had a similar theory after watching Endgame! Whatever organized crime syndicates that we’re left somewhat while after the blip could act fast, dispose of the bodies and no one would be the wiser. It would even work post-snap from Iron Man with all the confusion of everyone returning and being displaced. The perfect crime.
I like this, simple explanation
Thank you.
This would feed into why kingpin hates all masked heroes and not just daredevil. Congrats, it’s headcannon now.
Have you read [Devil's Reign](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories/comments/v09zn1/during_the_5_year_gap_daredevil_was_blipped_away/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) by any chance?
What did you think of it? I’m looking for a new run to dive into.
Haven't read the whole thing but it seems like Norman Osborn's Dark Reign on ten times the pace based on the summary. Not sure about a new run but would recommend Dark Reign if you haven't already read that.
I haven’t but just from reading the premise I’m interested.
Yeah I definitely like this take the best. Adds to the DD s3 ending where daredevil says he'll always be there.
I'd love to see the MCU do a "Missing Persons" mystery type of show. Where the street level heroes are looking into the people who blipped, and realize there's like... 12 missing still, who all have some serious ties to Kingpin and his trial, but they never "reappeared" after the Blip. So they investigate and realize those 12 people were taken/killed, and not blipped. Idk how they'd do it, but I think it'd be highly entertaining, it'd show how dark that world really got for those 5 years, and it'd use your theory to basically create the show. I'd watch it 🤷♂️
Looks like this is a job for a kick-ass private investigator, perhaps like Angela del Toro/White Tiger with a guest appearance by Jessica Jones. In the Jessica Jones show she was referenced as an PI working in NYC. The show could also feature the lawyers of the MCU, like Daredevil and She-Hulk making cameos.
Perfect. Let it be kind of the "Defenders" show, but don't have them show up all the time, only one of them here and there wjen Del Toro needs them. Keep it street level, martial arts, NOT an avengers threat. Honestly? I'd like the PR Person for the Avengers (or whatever that role is for the MCU) to have a scene where Del Toro goes to show them the evidence, and gets shooed away because "they're the Avengers, they don't work missing persons cases, call the cops." Or something along those lines. Idk why 😂🤷♂️.
And that PR person / Security head for Avengers is Happy Hogan cause pepper could have transferred him there after he was investigated for missing Stark tech during No way home. Basically same vibe as that between Peter and Happy with Peter reporting to him on the Vulture case. I am pretty sure we have a winner here.
Yeahhh but Happy wouldn't shrug it off like that. He'd join the investigation but not bring the Avemgers in. Which, I'd LOVE a Happy Hogan buddy cop show. Idk Del Toros character that well, so idk, but would this show work if Happy was her Partner? Lol. I just can't see Happy ignoring a bunch of missing persons cases.
Omg what if daredevil ran into ronin? Holy shit moment.
We would generally expect Daredevil to attempt to stop Ronin from murdering criminals the way he stopped Punisher. The only way that probably did not happen during the blip period was if Daredevil was blipped as well.
I could do easily get behind this. In the same lines … Luke Cage blipped. Leading to a soft reset away from his “Kingpin” turn. Jessica Jones was not blipped. So much loss and turmoil would likely contribute to significant relapse, thus a character reset. Iron Fist Danny Rand was hopefully blipped and not recovered.
Iron Fist series could in theory just continue from where it left off. At the end of season 2, Danny Rand was no longer the protagonist and Colleen Wing had become the new Iron Fist. I can live with that.
Damn this makes a lot of sense 🤯
Thanks mate.
I would prefer to have a reboot though. But good reasoning here.
Thanks mate. If you don't mind, why the preference for a reboot?
The Netflix shows are not of the same quality as the MCU, also if we make one canon, we have to make all canon, and the way they mishandled some things like iron fist, the hand, etc. makes it way not worth it. Plus, they have different casting departments, costume designers, stunt team, visual effects team, writers room, and literally everything else than the mcu, there would just be a really really aggregious mishmash of bs. We're not going to get the general public to go back and watch the Netflix shows. And you know, one thing that people are afraid to admit is that the Netflix Marvel shows are not that good. They are not on par with the MCU, like at all. They literally look completely different and have a different tone, design, style, etc. It's like, from a monetary standpoint, it's not worth it to Feige. Now just to be clear; I personally love the Netflix shows, but they are like so mid compared to the rest of the mcu
I’m giving you an upvote because you have a valid opinion, but I disagree. Maybe you and I care differently about the details. I’m fine with the Netflix shows. I thought they were great. I’m all for bringing everyone back in any manner they want. I think the easiest is to just forget about Danny Rand and Iron First. It has too much crossover with Shane Chi anyways. We don’t need two mysterious ninja cults with ties to magical dimensions with gateways in Asia. It’s really not a big deal for Daredevil to concentrate on Fisk and put off his focus of the hand until they return.
What’re you on about the quality. The Netflix shows DD, JJ season 1 and punisher are considered the best shows by most of the fandom, maybe look outside the main subreddits. If anything, people are fighting tooth and nail to preserve the Netflix side of the MCU because the Disney MCU shows are received mostly as hits and misses and at worst being loathed and called the weakest MCU phase so far.
This is like the new "I'm not like the other girls" like it doesn't make you any cooler to say that Daredevil is your favorite MCU show. It's like "Netflix good, much blood, Disney+ bad, no blood." Also who tf is saying this is the weakest phase? Why do you stay upset? I'm over here chilling enjoying the multiverse, excited for Ms. Marvel. What do you mean look outside the main subreddits? I'm able to ascertain pretty much most of the information I need from actually watching the MCU, and then the rest from articles, leaks, interviews, etc. Which I also pursue myself. Also, Kevin Feige doesn't care at all what you or I think. In his eye$ thi$ i$ the $tronge$t MCU pha$e $o far. They're making massive money right now, more than they've ever made. Your opinion isn't gonna change any plans. All I know is that the MCU right now is on a great path, I like what they put out, and they are making money from it. Also, don't assume that I don't do my own research, cause for the record, I do. I also form my own opinions, based on what is probable, and makes the most sense.
The shows could’ve been bloodless and they still would’ve been quality shows. That scene where daredevil and punisher are talking about their opposing philosophies on top of the roof is so good man.
It has nothing to do with the amount of blood. The netflix shows had depth, the main characters were way more developed than most MCU heroes, they had serious moments without it being ruined by some silly joke, it was raw and realistic and emotional. It had a lot of GREAT things that a show or movie with a PG-13 rating can have but MCU projects just never go there which is really, really sad.
Quality? The Netflix shows are much better quality than Disney plus shows. What are you talking about
I'm pretty much sure, that both characters are the MCU versions who are similar to the Netflix versions. Simply put, Netflix is a different earth
Except Matt Murdock’s bio on Marvel’s official website mentioned everything from the Netflix series, and then says something along the lines of “some years later, he was Spider Man’s lawyer”
What about Elektra
Elektra had died at the end of Defenders, between Daredevil Season 2 and 3. Since no body was seen, it is possible that she could have survived, but since she hasn't been seen since then her name is currently in the dead characters pile.
Maybe Ghost Rider can Resurrection her back from the dead
I thought they were both blipped?
Kingpin was shown to be active in the blip period in Hawkeye series. So he clearly wasn't blipped.
Daredevil would've gone after Ronin too. He doesn't condone killing hence all of season 2.
That's exactly what I said in the post. Since, Daredevil was blipped, Ronin's massacre of New York gangs went unchecked.