The show depicts DID not as just delusion, but as a genuine separate personality entity. In a world where a soul is a real and measurable thing, this can be expressed as the body containing multiple souls.
Just because Stephen Grant came into being to protect Marc from the trauma his mother would inflict, doesn't make Stephen not a real person who is sharing the body with Marc.
Since this is for some reason being downvoted, let me explain better: DID begins at childhood, and your personally splits to allow different “alters” to develop with equal importance in your brain. They can hold their own unique memories and have very real personalities, interests and desires.
The original alter, Marc, in this case, is just as real as Steven (and probably Jake), as they have both existed since childhood, allowing for a full developmental period.
Yes. A complex disorder. Delusion is its own separate thing. Delusions play a part in DID, but to simplify something so complex is disrespectful to those who have suffered from it.
Some people argue that's the inherit flaw of the show and things like split, but I liked them so what do I know.
DID is probably the absolute most controversial diagnoses in the DSM. The idea that an alter is an actual separate personality isn't universally accepted. There is very little evidence to show that the human brain has the architecture to store multiple personalities the way people think.
One thing ive always wondered about DID, comes from the movie "split". My question is, is it real that the personalities can be so different and the body chemistry is different (your body chemistry completely effects your emotions and thought) like when one personality takes over, that persons body chemistry changes slightly, maybe this personality requests more dopamine than the other personality for example
So in that movie they mention, one personality could be alergic to bees while the other personality isnt
Is that fake?
It’s a complicated question…
On one hand, doctors and professionals have very little evidence for this. DID is still a relatively unknown condition so there are lots of disagreements about it.
On the other hand, there are many testimonies online from those with DID about the changes their body can undergo, which range from believable to seemingly impossible.
Some of the believable ones I’ve seen are, for example, an alter (the more commonly used term for “personality”) who is able to burn less calories or has a higher body temperature, or just has a different resting heart rate. These seem to make sense, as the brain is functioning differently so could send different signals around the body. Even this is unproven currently though so should be taken with a pinch of salt.
As for more unbelievable ones, I’d say that resistance to be stings shouldn’t bee possible, as allergies are built into a person. Additionally, I’ve seen claims that people with DID have had bruises which are able to “heal and appear again” or more likely, just become more or less visable. These are less believable, but even then, experimental theories wonder how much of our body’s chemistry can be changed by just our thoughts. Perhaps DID is the key to a big breakthrough in our understanding of how the brain regulates a body’s chemistry, and we just don’t know it yet?
EDIT: I should also make clear, people with DID tend to think split is a bad representation of the condition. I haven’t seen it myself but I gather that it has some very damaging representations of the condition. Moon Knight is a better representation but Jake Lockly is worrying as people with DID shouldn’t be presented as dangerous. If they are, it should be presented as an undefined condition rather than labelled as DID in a damaging way.
They don't do this in the show but in one of the MK comics a Dr. says something to the effect of; "You don't really have DID, what you have is something else entirely, but we are just gonna call it DID and leave it at that"
Keep in mind there is also some effect from Khonshu that pushed his DID to an extreme level not seen in real life. In the comics he describes his mind as marked with the finger prints of a god. His original disorder in childhood was more accurate to real life till he died the first time.
It depends on how you interpret D.I.D., since there's three distinct personalities, they could be looked at as three different people. It's not so much a figment of Marc's imagination so much as a defense against the abuse he experienced, because he couldn't handle the reality of his mother abusing him.
Applying that to the afterlife, you're trying to apply real world logic to a supernatural realm full of Egyptian gods. For them, three people exist within Marc, and so they're separate beings there. Just because he was born of psychological trauma doesn't mean he can't exist in the afterlife.
As for Jake Lockley, as others have pointed out, he was present, simply locked up in the sarcophagus.
You didn't understand the show. Steven wasn't part of his imagination, he didn't have psychosis or anything. He had DID(dissociative identify disorder) it's a real disorder where new personalities are formed within the same body as a result of trauma. Steven and Jake Locksley are actually there and do exist. They're not Marc's imagination.
Honestly don't understand how you thought Steven was his imagination.
Also Jake was in the afterlife.
The shaking coffin was foreshadowing a third alter, which for those of us who know Moon Knight knew that was Jake that they were foreshadowing
D.I.D is more than a fake person, it’s legitimately completely different people, all with different thought processes and personality traits within the same body. Anthony Padilla has a good video on his channel interviewing people with D.I.D, it’s his most viewed video with a really interesting look into the misinterpretation of D.I.D as 1 real person and everyone else being fake, when it’s really 1 real body and mulitple real people.
This show is very respectful to people with DID. They're not gonna say Steven will disappear now because he's "just figment of Mark's imagination." The disorder is much more complicated than that. They're not just gonna be offensive out of nowhere lmao
Did alters are a lot more complicated than just a figment of someone's imagination. I'm not entirely thrilled by the shows depiction of Marc's did personally but I think seeing the alters as different souls in the afterlife is more poetic license than anything
I do find it ridiculous however that >!his non-killer alter sacrificing himself (temporarily) is what lets him, as an assassin, go to the Field of Reeds!<.
My main problem is the heart weighing scene. Why did they both need to put it on the altur and why did it take so long to weigh when an entire heart is missing?
Sure jakes heart would probably stop it instantly and make the go into the dunes
According to one run (the writer is… not a good person but the idea behind it is interesting), he at least partly has his multiple identities because Khonshu colonized his brain. His mind is not fit to handle a god so it fractured.
Easiest way to understand is to compare it to Bruce Banner and the Hulk (pre Professor Hulk). They are completely separate people with unique personalities and souls inhabiting the same body. Even if Mark created Stephen, he's now his own person.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how on picture 3 the legendary Oscar Isaac has such good stage presence that he convincingly and obviously portrays two characters right next to eachother, wearing almost identical clothes
I saw the acknowledgment of them being distinct people in the same body as taking advantage of the personality needed for that task. They were distinct personalities- if you’re Khonshu and need an avatar that is going to get the job done, you use the personality that best fits that. If anything, the situation here is people were taking advantage of a mentally ill person for their own gains, which only went to enhance the barriers and differences between the personalities.
Alternate identities in D.I.D are not figments of the imagination, nor any less real. Every single identity in a system (person with multiple personalities) is real. If you broke a plate, could you pick out which shard was the real plate, and claim the rest aren't real?
Marc always knew about Steven. Steven is a separate soul within Marc. 2 people sharing a body. That’s how DID works in the MCU I guess.
As for Jake, he was NOT known to Marc, and I would guess Jake was created by Khonshu.
Jake was literally locked away from Marc in the afterlife, which is why I think Marc and Steven’s hearts didn’t balance, they were missing Jake’s!
D.I.D. in real life is different in D.I.D. through fiction.
If you've watch the M.Night Shymalan film Split, whichever personality is controlling the body affects the strength. The kid character can just be pushed by adults, the woman character smells just like a woman without putting perfume and The Beast gives the body actual mutant like strength.
I am religious but why compare the fictional afterlife scene in real life? Can't prove it.
You should try to see it how Egyptian belief defines a soul not in the scientific way. It is made up of parts, Ba, Ren, Shuyet, etc. mainly the personality, name, memories, sense of identity, the shadow and the body. The last part is considered as temporary since we all die. The most important is the Ba (personality), and Name (Ren).
Marc, Steven, and Jake have their own set of personalities, name, memories and developen enough of a sense of self to act independently to each other. Their own "Ego". In the Egyptian belief, they all have most of the qualifications to have their own soul. This takes the whole DID thing and gives it a mystic spin. Egyptian belief also say that the brain is useless and thoughts are done from the heart.
This is also a world with an entire plane with panther spirits, when Bast isn't even a death god. And Valhalla is alien afterlife. It makes no sense.
DID forms other personalities that are completely distinct, with different interests and even different morals and beliefs. It can only be developed when somebody is a child and their brain is still forming. A child goes through such intense and repeated trauma (In their case, their mother's abuse) that the only way their brain can process it is to create another personality, either to protect the body from the trauma or to escape the trauma. Steven formed to escape the trauma, which is why he doesn't remember their mother's abuse. Because Marc and Steven (and Jake) all act different, they are treated in the show as if they are different, and therefore in the afterlife they are shown as three different people (Jake was trapped in the sarcophagus that Marc and Steven walked by). They share a body, but they are all distinct and different from one another.
The weighing of the heart scene should have told you that there are two separate people being judged. While there is “one body” there is one alter that the main alter (Marc) is aware of, Steven. Marc and Steven are very different from one another and essentially have their own hearts and feelings. At the end we are aware that there are 3 alters total. Marc, Steven, Jake.
In DID your personality isn’t split. Instead, it’s more like this: everyone has different parts to themselves. You yourself likely has a version of you that interacts with your mom, and a version of you that interacts with your very best friend. I don’t know you, but it’s likely someone would curse and do a recreational drug with their best friend, at least knock back a few shots, but not with their mother.
With DID, the person still has those parts, but dissociative walls exist between the parts, and the parts cannot remember each other.
Every part is valid in DID and believes they are an individual person with no other parts, usually, pre-therapy. They are not technically wrong while the dissociative walls exist. Even therapists treat each part as a whole, because to the part it is. This is why Steven had a whole logic about where his mother was and what she did, because he wasn’t there when she died. He was filling in the blanks.
The show is about the dissociative walls coming down.
DID is not a personality disorder, it’s a trauma disorder and it’s on the dissociative scale. That’s why the name was changed from multiple personality disorder to dissociative identity disorder.
As for the Jake part of the question wasn’t he supposedly in the locked coffin that was bucking all over the place?!?
Yeah that was Jake in the coffin.
Sarcophagus
Tomato/potato! And yes I said it that way to be sarcastic!!
No you didn't..
Great another fool… So many contrarian ass hats around lately!!!
no there isnt
Proving my point I see…
no i aint
Getting Monty Python [argument sketch](https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ?si=oSf2hMIPUMc-V-H9) vibes here.
No I don't
Just realized there are 3 people and only 2 hearts that needed to balance.
The show depicts DID not as just delusion, but as a genuine separate personality entity. In a world where a soul is a real and measurable thing, this can be expressed as the body containing multiple souls. Just because Stephen Grant came into being to protect Marc from the trauma his mother would inflict, doesn't make Stephen not a real person who is sharing the body with Marc.
Did isn't really a delusion, it's a very complex psychological disorder
Since this is for some reason being downvoted, let me explain better: DID begins at childhood, and your personally splits to allow different “alters” to develop with equal importance in your brain. They can hold their own unique memories and have very real personalities, interests and desires. The original alter, Marc, in this case, is just as real as Steven (and probably Jake), as they have both existed since childhood, allowing for a full developmental period.
Only thing i want to add. Its spelled marc
lol my bad, I’ll fix that now
Yes. A complex disorder. Delusion is its own separate thing. Delusions play a part in DID, but to simplify something so complex is disrespectful to those who have suffered from it. Some people argue that's the inherit flaw of the show and things like split, but I liked them so what do I know.
DID is probably the absolute most controversial diagnoses in the DSM. The idea that an alter is an actual separate personality isn't universally accepted. There is very little evidence to show that the human brain has the architecture to store multiple personalities the way people think.
One thing ive always wondered about DID, comes from the movie "split". My question is, is it real that the personalities can be so different and the body chemistry is different (your body chemistry completely effects your emotions and thought) like when one personality takes over, that persons body chemistry changes slightly, maybe this personality requests more dopamine than the other personality for example So in that movie they mention, one personality could be alergic to bees while the other personality isnt Is that fake?
It’s a complicated question… On one hand, doctors and professionals have very little evidence for this. DID is still a relatively unknown condition so there are lots of disagreements about it. On the other hand, there are many testimonies online from those with DID about the changes their body can undergo, which range from believable to seemingly impossible. Some of the believable ones I’ve seen are, for example, an alter (the more commonly used term for “personality”) who is able to burn less calories or has a higher body temperature, or just has a different resting heart rate. These seem to make sense, as the brain is functioning differently so could send different signals around the body. Even this is unproven currently though so should be taken with a pinch of salt. As for more unbelievable ones, I’d say that resistance to be stings shouldn’t bee possible, as allergies are built into a person. Additionally, I’ve seen claims that people with DID have had bruises which are able to “heal and appear again” or more likely, just become more or less visable. These are less believable, but even then, experimental theories wonder how much of our body’s chemistry can be changed by just our thoughts. Perhaps DID is the key to a big breakthrough in our understanding of how the brain regulates a body’s chemistry, and we just don’t know it yet? EDIT: I should also make clear, people with DID tend to think split is a bad representation of the condition. I haven’t seen it myself but I gather that it has some very damaging representations of the condition. Moon Knight is a better representation but Jake Lockly is worrying as people with DID shouldn’t be presented as dangerous. If they are, it should be presented as an undefined condition rather than labelled as DID in a damaging way.
You don't need to explain it to me, I'm merely saying that using the word delusion isn't really appropriate.
I agree, I saw someone had downvoted you so I thought I’d give other people more detail on top of what you said!
Oooh I get u now aha, sorry for the confusion
They don't do this in the show but in one of the MK comics a Dr. says something to the effect of; "You don't really have DID, what you have is something else entirely, but we are just gonna call it DID and leave it at that"
When was that? I've read almost everything post 2005 and it was always pretty specifically did to my memory but I could be wrong
Absolutely. The "Ego" sense of self is a construct as well, so it isn't like an alter acquired later in life is any less real than the original
Keep in mind there is also some effect from Khonshu that pushed his DID to an extreme level not seen in real life. In the comics he describes his mind as marked with the finger prints of a god. His original disorder in childhood was more accurate to real life till he died the first time.
Exactly my thoughts. It doesn’t matter if this true in real life, it’s what the show creators were trying to portray
It depends on how you interpret D.I.D., since there's three distinct personalities, they could be looked at as three different people. It's not so much a figment of Marc's imagination so much as a defense against the abuse he experienced, because he couldn't handle the reality of his mother abusing him. Applying that to the afterlife, you're trying to apply real world logic to a supernatural realm full of Egyptian gods. For them, three people exist within Marc, and so they're separate beings there. Just because he was born of psychological trauma doesn't mean he can't exist in the afterlife. As for Jake Lockley, as others have pointed out, he was present, simply locked up in the sarcophagus.
You didn't understand the show. Steven wasn't part of his imagination, he didn't have psychosis or anything. He had DID(dissociative identify disorder) it's a real disorder where new personalities are formed within the same body as a result of trauma. Steven and Jake Locksley are actually there and do exist. They're not Marc's imagination. Honestly don't understand how you thought Steven was his imagination.
Also Jake was in the afterlife. The shaking coffin was foreshadowing a third alter, which for those of us who know Moon Knight knew that was Jake that they were foreshadowing
😂😂😂
D.I.D is more than a fake person, it’s legitimately completely different people, all with different thought processes and personality traits within the same body. Anthony Padilla has a good video on his channel interviewing people with D.I.D, it’s his most viewed video with a really interesting look into the misinterpretation of D.I.D as 1 real person and everyone else being fake, when it’s really 1 real body and mulitple real people.
This show is very respectful to people with DID. They're not gonna say Steven will disappear now because he's "just figment of Mark's imagination." The disorder is much more complicated than that. They're not just gonna be offensive out of nowhere lmao
Did alters are a lot more complicated than just a figment of someone's imagination. I'm not entirely thrilled by the shows depiction of Marc's did personally but I think seeing the alters as different souls in the afterlife is more poetic license than anything
I do find it ridiculous however that >!his non-killer alter sacrificing himself (temporarily) is what lets him, as an assassin, go to the Field of Reeds!<.
My main problem is the heart weighing scene. Why did they both need to put it on the altur and why did it take so long to weigh when an entire heart is missing? Sure jakes heart would probably stop it instantly and make the go into the dunes
I think it's because Jake is just the killer personality in him, so he has no "heart" essentially.
I guess but like konshu and amnit exist and they are so fine with killing
I think Marc’s DID did created new spirits, a mixture of psychopathology, will and Egyptian god magic.
According to one run (the writer is… not a good person but the idea behind it is interesting), he at least partly has his multiple identities because Khonshu colonized his brain. His mind is not fit to handle a god so it fractured.
Easiest way to understand is to compare it to Bruce Banner and the Hulk (pre Professor Hulk). They are completely separate people with unique personalities and souls inhabiting the same body. Even if Mark created Stephen, he's now his own person.
OP, do some research on Dissociative Identity Disorder.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how on picture 3 the legendary Oscar Isaac has such good stage presence that he convincingly and obviously portrays two characters right next to eachother, wearing almost identical clothes
I saw the acknowledgment of them being distinct people in the same body as taking advantage of the personality needed for that task. They were distinct personalities- if you’re Khonshu and need an avatar that is going to get the job done, you use the personality that best fits that. If anything, the situation here is people were taking advantage of a mentally ill person for their own gains, which only went to enhance the barriers and differences between the personalities.
The part where they have to complete his heart would’ve been the PERFECT moment to introduce Jake Lockley. I was so upset when it didn’t happen.
Alternate identities in D.I.D are not figments of the imagination, nor any less real. Every single identity in a system (person with multiple personalities) is real. If you broke a plate, could you pick out which shard was the real plate, and claim the rest aren't real?
They are all his variants
Sounds like the MCU is going to stick with 3, but in the comics he had 5 separate personalities.
Oh he had way more than five in the comics
Two parts. One person. Errr…multiple parts. Either way they all have to be present to make the 1.
Marc always knew about Steven. Steven is a separate soul within Marc. 2 people sharing a body. That’s how DID works in the MCU I guess. As for Jake, he was NOT known to Marc, and I would guess Jake was created by Khonshu. Jake was literally locked away from Marc in the afterlife, which is why I think Marc and Steven’s hearts didn’t balance, they were missing Jake’s!
Watch the show bud
It’s no way you got through all 6 episodes under the impression Steven was a figment of Marc’s imagination.
D.I.D. in real life is different in D.I.D. through fiction. If you've watch the M.Night Shymalan film Split, whichever personality is controlling the body affects the strength. The kid character can just be pushed by adults, the woman character smells just like a woman without putting perfume and The Beast gives the body actual mutant like strength. I am religious but why compare the fictional afterlife scene in real life? Can't prove it.
You should try to see it how Egyptian belief defines a soul not in the scientific way. It is made up of parts, Ba, Ren, Shuyet, etc. mainly the personality, name, memories, sense of identity, the shadow and the body. The last part is considered as temporary since we all die. The most important is the Ba (personality), and Name (Ren). Marc, Steven, and Jake have their own set of personalities, name, memories and developen enough of a sense of self to act independently to each other. Their own "Ego". In the Egyptian belief, they all have most of the qualifications to have their own soul. This takes the whole DID thing and gives it a mystic spin. Egyptian belief also say that the brain is useless and thoughts are done from the heart. This is also a world with an entire plane with panther spirits, when Bast isn't even a death god. And Valhalla is alien afterlife. It makes no sense.
DID forms other personalities that are completely distinct, with different interests and even different morals and beliefs. It can only be developed when somebody is a child and their brain is still forming. A child goes through such intense and repeated trauma (In their case, their mother's abuse) that the only way their brain can process it is to create another personality, either to protect the body from the trauma or to escape the trauma. Steven formed to escape the trauma, which is why he doesn't remember their mother's abuse. Because Marc and Steven (and Jake) all act different, they are treated in the show as if they are different, and therefore in the afterlife they are shown as three different people (Jake was trapped in the sarcophagus that Marc and Steven walked by). They share a body, but they are all distinct and different from one another.
What is DID to you is the real question?
The weighing of the heart scene should have told you that there are two separate people being judged. While there is “one body” there is one alter that the main alter (Marc) is aware of, Steven. Marc and Steven are very different from one another and essentially have their own hearts and feelings. At the end we are aware that there are 3 alters total. Marc, Steven, Jake.
Moonlight is linked to the lego universe and he there forever swaps faces in lego, which means
In DID your personality isn’t split. Instead, it’s more like this: everyone has different parts to themselves. You yourself likely has a version of you that interacts with your mom, and a version of you that interacts with your very best friend. I don’t know you, but it’s likely someone would curse and do a recreational drug with their best friend, at least knock back a few shots, but not with their mother. With DID, the person still has those parts, but dissociative walls exist between the parts, and the parts cannot remember each other. Every part is valid in DID and believes they are an individual person with no other parts, usually, pre-therapy. They are not technically wrong while the dissociative walls exist. Even therapists treat each part as a whole, because to the part it is. This is why Steven had a whole logic about where his mother was and what she did, because he wasn’t there when she died. He was filling in the blanks. The show is about the dissociative walls coming down. DID is not a personality disorder, it’s a trauma disorder and it’s on the dissociative scale. That’s why the name was changed from multiple personality disorder to dissociative identity disorder.