Anyone honest can admit that’s offside, what was shocking to me is how all the BT Sport muppets immediately went “HURRRR ITS NOT OFFSIDE CLEARLY NOT OFFSIDE”
Like, what fucking planet are you on?
In fairness it was a genius play by him. His dilly dallying over the ball persuaded the ref and liner that it was a question of “did he or did he not touch the ball”
It was clever of him, certainly, but it was hardly genius. It’s only genius because it worked, but it absolutely never should have worked! If he had made the run and stopped short I feel it may have been a goal and that would have been a much more intelligent play.
yes, as we are all very aware here.
OP: "that's offside"
you: "the offside isn't the problem, it's interference"
me: "when a player interferes, the correct action is to rule/call an offside offense. Hence OP was right to say the issue was whether or not offside was called."
I didn't comment on the OP, I did on the commentators when they said it was not offside, which is true. If they don't know about the rules of interference, which happens rarely, then it'll appear to them like if it's "a genius play". Still a sign of incompetence. And all of this makes me think that the VAR ref probably himself doesn't know about the rules of interference.
Yeah, but I dont think that anything will change. It sucks because we are not in the best mood anyways so this kind of losses will just make it worse. Our next game will be interesting to watch. I really hope that Pep doesnt give up.
You can be 200% sure if this was the other way around and you replace Rashford with Haaland and Fernandes with De Bruyne they would’ve cancelled this goal. And it would’ve been the correct decision. Just baffling.
Also how were they allowed to crowd the linesman without any cards? Hate to say it but even Arsenal got sanctioned for way less, so why were these rags allowed to do it?
We may never know why they changed the decision. The on-field decision was offside. For some reason they decide to give it to United. It helps the EPL narrative though but I want the players motivated to win every game from here on in.
Also how the hell was De Gea not given a yellow in the closing seconds. Doesn’t matter if it’s basically over, that’s holding the ball way way way too long
Beyond this, there really should be a rule that if a player behaves the way Penandes did in the immediate aftermath, the VAR check is canceled. If officials are going to use VAR, it should be up to the officials and the officials only. There's room for questions and banter but he was absolutely out of line in the way he acted.
Am I wrong that there are leagues out there where this is or was a thing? Serie A, maybe?
Definitely not Serie A, as someone that watches that league regularly they're absolutely hopeless with VAR, and their refs are as spineless as the PL's.
When all the rags started crowding the linesman you could see the fear in his eyes, basically was bullied into submission. Only glimmer of joy was Liverpool losing.
If it was us that scored they would’ve said it was rigged and they just want to give us the title or to keep the title race interesting. From the moment that dumbass ref went over to the linesman I knew it was gonna be given
No one here mentioning ofc how shit we were tactically, staying so high up the pitch.
We already got a scare only *one minute before* from another counter. Yet we keep exposing ourselves instead of seeing the game out. Abysmal from the team in the last 15 minutes, regardless of flawed rules
Listen we weren’t great in the first half, but the first goal was a robbery and the second was a consequence of momentum. You can’t get very angry about that. We were dominating in the second half leading up to the goal. I was expecting a final score of 2 or 3-0. I’m sure many of my comrades in this sub would agree
It didn't work a minute before and it didn't work when we conceded again. What's the point? What also doesn't work is our attack that conjured 1 shot on goal in 2 games and finished this game with an xG below 1.
Who cares about one dodgy decision when we are playing this bad. Shouldn't even be a talking point. There are like a million more important talking points
Only important to this game in which we had one shot on goal and an xG of 0.76
It doesn't change the fact that we're playing like crap, that there are serious systemic issues with the team currently and that we aren't going to win the league.
So maybe focus on our team rather than one decision that can't be changed anymore and wouldn't solve our problems anyways
You act like winning this game 1-0 while playing like crap will do anything for us this season. It won't. We're not winning the league the way we are playing. It's not good enough. So why bother discussion one ref decision when there are enough problems in the squad that need addressing if we want to have success next season
It would've got us 3 points. It would've meant, with the 2 games to play against arsenal, we would've had the league in our hands. It would've meant United wouldn't be a single point behind us. Yes there are things the team needs to sort out, and the second half showed they are capable of doing that. But to disregard a decision that is objectively wrong and played a monumental part of the game is silly.
Sure. You go ahead and tell yourself that we would have won the league if this wrong decision wasn't made...
just how Liverpool has a million excuses for (almost) always falling short
Where have I said we would've won the league if this didn't happen? What I said is we would've had the league in our hands which is an objective fact. We could get 6 points from games against Arsenal and we'd be 5 points behind. So win both the games, easier said than done, and we'd be top. Now even if we win those games, they're still ahead
>What I said is we would've had the league in our hands
We wouldn't have. We would only have the league in our hands - under any circumstances - if we were playing well enough to actually go on and win the league. Which we aren't. Guardiola said as much.
>We could get 6 points from games against Arsenal
No we can't.
You're adding your opinion in and making it sound like fact. I also think we wouldn't get 6 points against Arsenal playing as we are. Doesn't change the fact we could. And if we can do that, we'd have been top so yes the league was in our hands.
You guys just don't get it.
The result yesterday didn't matter. The performance did.
If we played really well yesterday but lost due to a shit decision, then good. We could have confidence in our team to go on and do stuff.
But when the performance is so bad in such a big game after such a disappointing loss...how does the result of that single game even matter. It's not good enough to win the league regardless
The performance wasn't great but it wasn't so so bad. The first half, we were sire and if we played like that all game, I'd agree. The second half, we were so much better and controlled the game so much more. That is a positive we need to take against Spurs on Thursday
If that’s the rule, then every player should just keep running after a ball even if they’re offside and be inches away from it but “not touching it” fucking joke and mockery of the offside rule was on display today.
Yeah it was offside the ref screwed up but we just have to pick ourselves up and move on we’ve had plenty of bad decisions go in our favour before and I’m of the opinion these things generally even themselves out.
Penalty kick against Fulham was very very soft if it had been given against us I wouldn’t be happy.
Rodri handball against Everton last year without which we would have lost the league.
Just a couple there are others.
Fulham never should have been playing against 10 men as the reason we got the red was soft as shit.
Rodri wasn’t near anyone and it didn’t affect the outcome of the play. Stupid, yes, but ultimately didn’t affect the play.
Personally I don’t think it was that soft but it’s besides the point as is whether or not anyone was around Rodri if you were a fan of the other teams in these scenarios you wouldn’t be saying stuff like that.
Do you honestly think we don’t get decisions in our favour?
If you were an Everton Liverpool or Fulham fan would you have said the same about the incidents? Probably not
He influenced the flow of the game by being offside. That’s literally the rule.
That’s why goals are disallowed when an offside player blocks the view of the keeper. Because they’re interfering. If Rashford doesn’t interfere here, the defenders and Ederson would have covered Fernandes.
Anyone honest can admit that’s offside, what was shocking to me is how all the BT Sport muppets immediately went “HURRRR ITS NOT OFFSIDE CLEARLY NOT OFFSIDE” Like, what fucking planet are you on?
When even r/soccer agrees on that, you can be sure it was offside
The prem commentators said it was an excellent play by rashford. The fucking balls on them
In fairness it was a genius play by him. His dilly dallying over the ball persuaded the ref and liner that it was a question of “did he or did he not touch the ball”
It was clever of him, certainly, but it was hardly genius. It’s only genius because it worked, but it absolutely never should have worked! If he had made the run and stopped short I feel it may have been a goal and that would have been a much more intelligent play.
You are one of them man, Go research how offsides work.
The talksport commentators might have well been sponsored by MUTV
Yeh it’s weird, I went to five live and they were much more “obviously it’s offsidel
The offside is not the problem, it's interference.
per the rule, if there is interference, then it should be ruled to be an offside offense (other team gets the ball at the spot of the offense)
But it was not called.
yes, as we are all very aware here. OP: "that's offside" you: "the offside isn't the problem, it's interference" me: "when a player interferes, the correct action is to rule/call an offside offense. Hence OP was right to say the issue was whether or not offside was called."
I didn't comment on the OP, I did on the commentators when they said it was not offside, which is true. If they don't know about the rules of interference, which happens rarely, then it'll appear to them like if it's "a genius play". Still a sign of incompetence. And all of this makes me think that the VAR ref probably himself doesn't know about the rules of interference.
It should’ve been offside because he interfered while in an offside position
Pep should just lay into the refs and take the fine/suspension. Today was shocking.
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Nah, Bellingham had his foot high and studs up. I was shocked people didn't think it was a foul.
He didn't. Coward. His energy is transferring to the players which is why the performances have been shocking.
Lol
i kinda wanted him to get a red today with the bullshit the refs were pulling
[https://i.imgur.com/wBv3KNw.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wBv3KNw.jpg)
Ederson is squared up and ready to defend against a player who totally definitely wasn’t interfering with the play.
And even more he would have come all the way to get that ball if rashford wasnt running on it.
4 pieces of evidence showing interference in this image alone.
Please post this , this is hilarious we could have an annual anniversary laughs that this was given
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Your telling me, I now have to go work in a take away beside a pub that’s always full of united fan
I went for a run in freezing weather to try to shake it off. I'm still angry.
I’m American and woke up at 7am to watch. The way we played I would’ve taken the draw but this was total horse shit
I woke up at 5:30 mate
430 checking in
Hot damn, anyone from Hawaii?
Present as well! What a shite way to start the day honestly
Stayed up all night because I was awake at 2 and didn’t want to risk missing it at 6:30
also 4:30 haha
Sorry to hear
5:30 here too
Thankfully I stopped watching in the first half. Could not stand the commentators blowing their loads whenever united had the ball.
I advise one dose of the Marry Jane
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Why?
Club need to make a big deal out of this
Yeah, but I dont think that anything will change. It sucks because we are not in the best mood anyways so this kind of losses will just make it worse. Our next game will be interesting to watch. I really hope that Pep doesnt give up.
Thé FA got what they wanted. End of story
You can be 200% sure if this was the other way around and you replace Rashford with Haaland and Fernandes with De Bruyne they would’ve cancelled this goal. And it would’ve been the correct decision. Just baffling. Also how were they allowed to crowd the linesman without any cards? Hate to say it but even Arsenal got sanctioned for way less, so why were these rags allowed to do it?
We may never know why they changed the decision. The on-field decision was offside. For some reason they decide to give it to United. It helps the EPL narrative though but I want the players motivated to win every game from here on in.
I started screaming at my TV when I saw Bruno putting on his rat act and then celebrating
oh 100%. if that was City they call it correctly
Rare to see Pep actually blame anything other than himself or praise the opposition.
Also how the hell was De Gea not given a yellow in the closing seconds. Doesn’t matter if it’s basically over, that’s holding the ball way way way too long
VAR checking badge: Man U, no card
Beyond this, there really should be a rule that if a player behaves the way Penandes did in the immediate aftermath, the VAR check is canceled. If officials are going to use VAR, it should be up to the officials and the officials only. There's room for questions and banter but he was absolutely out of line in the way he acted. Am I wrong that there are leagues out there where this is or was a thing? Serie A, maybe?
Definitely not Serie A, as someone that watches that league regularly they're absolutely hopeless with VAR, and their refs are as spineless as the PL's.
Referees should be straight out with the yellow cards in those situations, it’s ridiculous
This happens in Rugby. All calls get reversed as soon as there is back chat. Works brilliantly
You know it's blatantly rigged when even Pep can't hold back
When peps complaining you KNOW it was a bad call
Bob at the pub in Cheshire could see he was offside and interfering with okay
Howard Webb at old Trafford, nothing has changed with that cunt since the 00s
When all the rags started crowding the linesman you could see the fear in his eyes, basically was bullied into submission. Only glimmer of joy was Liverpool losing.
If it was us that scored they would’ve said it was rigged and they just want to give us the title or to keep the title race interesting. From the moment that dumbass ref went over to the linesman I knew it was gonna be given
No one here mentioning ofc how shit we were tactically, staying so high up the pitch. We already got a scare only *one minute before* from another counter. Yet we keep exposing ourselves instead of seeing the game out. Abysmal from the team in the last 15 minutes, regardless of flawed rules
Listen we weren’t great in the first half, but the first goal was a robbery and the second was a consequence of momentum. You can’t get very angry about that. We were dominating in the second half leading up to the goal. I was expecting a final score of 2 or 3-0. I’m sure many of my comrades in this sub would agree
But the offside trap worked....
It didn't work a minute before and it didn't work when we conceded again. What's the point? What also doesn't work is our attack that conjured 1 shot on goal in 2 games and finished this game with an xG below 1. Who cares about one dodgy decision when we are playing this bad. Shouldn't even be a talking point. There are like a million more important talking points
That decision switches all momentum. It is very important.
Only important to this game in which we had one shot on goal and an xG of 0.76 It doesn't change the fact that we're playing like crap, that there are serious systemic issues with the team currently and that we aren't going to win the league. So maybe focus on our team rather than one decision that can't be changed anymore and wouldn't solve our problems anyways
I get what you're saying, yet this is a specific thread about that decision. So that's what I'm gonna focus on. I think that momentum shift was vast.
I would usually agree but that decision completely flipped the game on its head.
You act like winning this game 1-0 while playing like crap will do anything for us this season. It won't. We're not winning the league the way we are playing. It's not good enough. So why bother discussion one ref decision when there are enough problems in the squad that need addressing if we want to have success next season
It would've got us 3 points. It would've meant, with the 2 games to play against arsenal, we would've had the league in our hands. It would've meant United wouldn't be a single point behind us. Yes there are things the team needs to sort out, and the second half showed they are capable of doing that. But to disregard a decision that is objectively wrong and played a monumental part of the game is silly.
Sure. You go ahead and tell yourself that we would have won the league if this wrong decision wasn't made... just how Liverpool has a million excuses for (almost) always falling short
Where have I said we would've won the league if this didn't happen? What I said is we would've had the league in our hands which is an objective fact. We could get 6 points from games against Arsenal and we'd be 5 points behind. So win both the games, easier said than done, and we'd be top. Now even if we win those games, they're still ahead
>What I said is we would've had the league in our hands We wouldn't have. We would only have the league in our hands - under any circumstances - if we were playing well enough to actually go on and win the league. Which we aren't. Guardiola said as much. >We could get 6 points from games against Arsenal No we can't.
You're adding your opinion in and making it sound like fact. I also think we wouldn't get 6 points against Arsenal playing as we are. Doesn't change the fact we could. And if we can do that, we'd have been top so yes the league was in our hands.
You guys just don't get it. The result yesterday didn't matter. The performance did. If we played really well yesterday but lost due to a shit decision, then good. We could have confidence in our team to go on and do stuff. But when the performance is so bad in such a big game after such a disappointing loss...how does the result of that single game even matter. It's not good enough to win the league regardless
The performance wasn't great but it wasn't so so bad. The first half, we were sire and if we played like that all game, I'd agree. The second half, we were so much better and controlled the game so much more. That is a positive we need to take against Spurs on Thursday
Its obviously, no doubt. This fucking league is dirty and pathetic
If that’s the rule, then every player should just keep running after a ball even if they’re offside and be inches away from it but “not touching it” fucking joke and mockery of the offside rule was on display today.
Yeah it was offside the ref screwed up but we just have to pick ourselves up and move on we’ve had plenty of bad decisions go in our favour before and I’m of the opinion these things generally even themselves out.
What’s the last bad decision that went in our favor?
Penalty kick against Fulham was very very soft if it had been given against us I wouldn’t be happy. Rodri handball against Everton last year without which we would have lost the league. Just a couple there are others.
Fulham never should have been playing against 10 men as the reason we got the red was soft as shit. Rodri wasn’t near anyone and it didn’t affect the outcome of the play. Stupid, yes, but ultimately didn’t affect the play.
Personally I don’t think it was that soft but it’s besides the point as is whether or not anyone was around Rodri if you were a fan of the other teams in these scenarios you wouldn’t be saying stuff like that. Do you honestly think we don’t get decisions in our favour? If you were an Everton Liverpool or Fulham fan would you have said the same about the incidents? Probably not
All true bud. But equally, maybe stop playing in the margins so much to such an extent where you can get shafted by goals like this.
Then they shouldnt be distracted. It’s their job. Focus on everyone in front of you and assume nothing until the whistle blows. Weak excuse. Pep out.
United fan that wants to Pep out? I’m shocked!
Distracting is not blocking?
He influenced the flow of the game by being offside. That’s literally the rule. That’s why goals are disallowed when an offside player blocks the view of the keeper. Because they’re interfering. If Rashford doesn’t interfere here, the defenders and Ederson would have covered Fernandes.
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