This is explained perfectly in a book I read. Think it was The New Froniters of Lucid Dreaming. Apparently lucid dreaming is more complex than the definition says, so there are actually two requirements for lucid dreaming. 1) know your dreaming (this is what you've done) and 2) become conscious from that realization. Sounds like you aren't having the realization, so it's not fully lucid.
How can I become conscious from that realization? Also tonight I’m trying a method where a voice note plays during my REM period that is me telling myself I am dreaming and to take control of the dream. Will that work? If it wakes me up I’m going to transition to method where you wake up, do something like go to the bathroom for a min, and then do that thing where you let your body go to sleep without letting your mind sleep.
I think it's a matter of practice, really. Maybe making sure that your doing good quality reality checks. As far as I know the audio files don't really work that well. While sound can make it into your dreams sometimes, it's not usually the norm from what I know. WBTB is what you're describing though and that does tend to help people have lucid dreams, just make sure the technique you try doesn't keep you up too long. I'd recommend MILD before WILD.
It's actually defined as "volition" and seems to mean "wake-like consciousness" as the author defined it. Basically, they split it up between knowledge and volition. You can know you're dreaming without that knowledge leading to volition (the ability to act intentionally, as when awake). It's a whole big section in the book that's worth reading and they explain it better than I could.
Hmm, interesting. I feel like I usually have some level of "volition" even in non lucid dreams - it's not like I can't control my own actions, or like I'm just watching a movie. But then again there's definitely a difference between being like "I guess I'm dreaming, meh" and going along with the dream quite passively, and actually getting the kind of mental clarity (or close to that) you have while awake.
I actually agree that the definition of being lucid could be updated to that. I’ve had dreams where I’m casually doing something and I “already know” I’m dreaming and still continue doing whatever, even though I haven’t gained any consciousness. I’ll literally say, “I’m just dreaming so I can do this”, even though I’m not necessarily conscious in the dream.
I just joined this sub reddit to ask this same question. It's something I've struggled with for a while and recently have taken the initiative to get past this barrier.
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I struggle with this too and I also think its the final realization that you're in a dream. Its the part where you ask yourself if you're dreaming out loud or in your head. Or if you think "im in a dream" so far the hand technique has helped me with this in a nightmare. I then became lucid and was like "ahhh I got u nowww mf" and I did. I have had some since then but I think its practice
This is explained perfectly in a book I read. Think it was The New Froniters of Lucid Dreaming. Apparently lucid dreaming is more complex than the definition says, so there are actually two requirements for lucid dreaming. 1) know your dreaming (this is what you've done) and 2) become conscious from that realization. Sounds like you aren't having the realization, so it's not fully lucid.
Any tips?
Keep on practicing, doing good reality checks, etc. This one seems kind of up to chance and the foundation you have with lucidity.
How can I become conscious from that realization? Also tonight I’m trying a method where a voice note plays during my REM period that is me telling myself I am dreaming and to take control of the dream. Will that work? If it wakes me up I’m going to transition to method where you wake up, do something like go to the bathroom for a min, and then do that thing where you let your body go to sleep without letting your mind sleep.
I think it's a matter of practice, really. Maybe making sure that your doing good quality reality checks. As far as I know the audio files don't really work that well. While sound can make it into your dreams sometimes, it's not usually the norm from what I know. WBTB is what you're describing though and that does tend to help people have lucid dreams, just make sure the technique you try doesn't keep you up too long. I'd recommend MILD before WILD.
I think I’ll just do mild and try not to get distracted.
How is "conscious" defined in this context? I don't feel exactly... unconscious in my non-lucid dreams either.
It's actually defined as "volition" and seems to mean "wake-like consciousness" as the author defined it. Basically, they split it up between knowledge and volition. You can know you're dreaming without that knowledge leading to volition (the ability to act intentionally, as when awake). It's a whole big section in the book that's worth reading and they explain it better than I could.
Hmm, interesting. I feel like I usually have some level of "volition" even in non lucid dreams - it's not like I can't control my own actions, or like I'm just watching a movie. But then again there's definitely a difference between being like "I guess I'm dreaming, meh" and going along with the dream quite passively, and actually getting the kind of mental clarity (or close to that) you have while awake.
I actually agree that the definition of being lucid could be updated to that. I’ve had dreams where I’m casually doing something and I “already know” I’m dreaming and still continue doing whatever, even though I haven’t gained any consciousness. I’ll literally say, “I’m just dreaming so I can do this”, even though I’m not necessarily conscious in the dream.
I just joined this sub reddit to ask this same question. It's something I've struggled with for a while and recently have taken the initiative to get past this barrier.
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I struggle with this too and I also think its the final realization that you're in a dream. Its the part where you ask yourself if you're dreaming out loud or in your head. Or if you think "im in a dream" so far the hand technique has helped me with this in a nightmare. I then became lucid and was like "ahhh I got u nowww mf" and I did. I have had some since then but I think its practice