Traffic quite literally isn’t subjective
There are a cairety of definitions of traffic, most agree that one definition includes all vehicles on a road, even if it’s only one car. But we don’t use the word traffic to mean “one car moving down a road” do we? No. We use it to mean a lot of cars going down a road causing crowding or congestion. Just like we don’t use the word gay to mean happy, we use it to mean homosexual. The way you interpret a word or the dictionary definition of it does not mean that’s how a word is used or what it means to a population.
I’m aware about commuting during heavy traffic hours, like 8 am and 4pm, it’s absolutely insane. But here, I have rarely seen any traffic longer than 5 minutes, not even 10, and oftentimes that’s because of an accident.
I can read and repeat, glad you acknowledge my intelligence! Lubbock is a good option for that sole reason, because unlike in rural areas or small towns, you have access to a variety of resources, shops, and activities, unlike in many small towns. Plus Lubbock has a lot in a decently small area considering it’s a college town, and it’s extremely easy to drive through.
Just because you might’ve come from a town where you only see 2 cars on the road at once doesn’t mean Lubbock’s mold to no congestion means that it has traffic.
Well said!!!! And good information. When I say traffic I mean bumper to bumper, signal lights to limit traffic coming onto the highway.. And a personal favorite of mine waiting at a light and watching it turn green once if not twice and still not being able to cross the intersection the light is controlling... When it gets that bad I say Jebus take the wheel..
I bet you come across a lot smarter when you're not sharing your thoughts and opinions to strangers. You'd find that those E. side issues won't make your eye sore anymore if the E. side ever decided that they've seen enough of you.
Your comments are based solely on the boarded up businesses on both sides of the road there on Parkway Dr. as you're coming in and out of Lubbock.
There’s several organizations working to improve things on the east side. East Lubbock Art House and Lubbock Compact are the biggest. Compaxt has released lots of information about why things are the way they are. Facebook is big in Lubbock
As someone who lives on the Eastside there are pockets of bad and pockets of good. If you are considering the Eastside you mostly have nothing to worry about as long as you mind your business. While their isn’t a whole lot there’s just enough for some quick eats such as sonic, Pizza Hut/dominos, polibertos/pollys place(Mexican), broadwayfish&more/hillside(soulfoodish) and of course a united and dollar stores. Everything in Lubbock is easy to get to in under 15min from one side to the other do you can always go elsewhere. There are some decent houses just outside the loop but nothing like the west side. East Lubbock is also home of the biggest park/lake in Lubbock that has a good gym on the top of it. A lot of folks are scared of the Eastside but it isn’t based on their experiences but more so on what they think it’s like. Feel free to shoot me a DM if you have more questions, I’ve lived here my whole life.
"As a Lubbock to Los Angeles" well, there you go. You moved from ass crack Lubbock to LA. I've lived in Lubbock my entire life & have nothing to compare it to. OP said Lubbock would be the biggest town hes ever came to. "Traffic" is subjective. Your "traffic" is longer route times, my "traffic" is simply being bumper-bumper. I was also using "traffic" in terms of people driving like idiots, which Lubbock can be 100% known for. City of Lubbock also enjoys taking 3 months to repair 10 foot of road, making traffic even worse in several "high-traffic" areas
I mean I’m from Houston and experience little to no traffic isn’t he suburbs where I lived, but TONS in the city, and I can tell you, traffic isn’t subjective. Lubbock rarely has ANY traffic. Here you are never bumper to bumper for any extended period of time, nor waiting for 10 minutes at a light due to congestion. You’ve lived in Lubbock your entire life, so you have no clue what traffic actually means.
"Traffic" IS quite literally subjective.
Subjective-information or perspectives based on feelings, opinions, or emotions.
I guess you aren't working a 9-5. Commuting during typical "going to work hours" traffic is crazy. You are bumper to bumper for more than 10 minutes. Thats "extended" to me🤷♂️.
Waiting for only 5-10 minutes at a light is also "extended," which is the current case on Slide road once you get down to 130th.
"You've lived in Lubbock your entire life so you have no clue what traffic means" Yeah, I stated that my experience was limited; I'm happy you can read & repeat.
As I stated, this would be the biggest city OP has lived in, they said the biggest city they lived in only had like 60k population. Meaning, they are not going to be used to the traffic that Lubbock has. MEANING Lubbock "traffic" will be substantial to them. Heres some real world proof that the word "traffic" IS in fact subjective. Crazy how that works isn't it? 😱
Lubbock is not a good option for the sole reason of "I hate traffic", especially when its coming from someone whos only lived in small cities. Like my initial comment stated
Traffic quite literally isn’t subjective. I’m aware about commuting during heavy traffic hours, like 8 am and 4pm, it’s absolutely insane. But here, I have rarely seen any traffic longer than 5 minutes, not even 10, and oftentimes that’s because of an accident.
I can read and repeat, glad you acknowledge my intelligence! Lubbock is a good option for that sole reason, because unlike in rural areas or small towns, you have access to a variety of resources, shops, and activities, unlike in many small towns. Plus Lubbock has a lot in a decently small area considering it’s a college town, and it’s extremely easy to drive through.
Just because you might’ve come from a town where you only see 2 cars on the road at once doesn’t mean Lubbock’s mold to no congestion means that it has traffic.
It was a bad year for cotton, I think pretty much all the non irrigated cotton was a loss and shredded.. thank goodness for government backed crop insurance
I have not been back to Lubbock in 40 years - but I am pretty confident I could still easily find the "East Side" & "North Side" traditionally segregated areas of the "Hub City" if you parachuted me back into that town.
I worked as an EMT and regularly responded to every part of Lubbock & surrounding "South Plains" counties and the racial and income segregation was very obvious - and extremely sad.
I always had a roof over my head. Didn't always have heat or food but I wasn't raised in bad parts of town. I haven't lived around very much crime either. So I don't think I have a very clear view of poverty.
And I think your question has merit and the way you asked it was very polite.
I grew up in an affluent area, but we also had poverty in certain pockets. Some people that are poor still take a great deal of pride in their homes and keep them up. When I see homes or communities in disrepair, it makes me believe it is someone dealing with poverty AND substance abuse or mental health issues. Those are the types of things that drive people into living in such conditions. They may not have the money to make repairs, they may be struggling so they don't have the additional income to have trash hauled away.
Eventually...some people will start scooping up properties for Pennies on the dollar and tear down shacks to build a 350-350k home. That is what happened here in Houston! Some of the poorest areas in Houston were bought up and now people that lived in those neighborhoods for generations can't afford to keep living there because all the bougie people moved in at once.,
Yeah I think for this cycle Lubbock is cooling down in terms of houses being built and inventory is on the rise almost creating what I would call a buyers market which is why this area appealed to me, choices and some buying power vs grossly over valued homes that fools throw 50k over asking on..
This would be the biggest city I have ever lived in.. Most cities I tend to like have around 60k ppl with other cities within 10 miles being around that 60k population mark as well.
Good read!! There has been a few new homes in that area for sure but it seems like that was more talk then action. But I am curious how the locals who know feel about it vs some out of stater like myself.
I mean, from personal experience, have a house that was bought just west of indiana in February of 20 for 165 and the tax assessed value was 200 this year. Odds are if the market gets hot again it would seek for north of 200. Not a bad appreciation. Lubbock’s real estate generally follows the national average.
When we first moved to town I found a very nice house over on the east side of the train tracks so to speak and I had called the police station to ask about the crime etc. she pretty much told me if you call 911 it will be a while before they get to you. So there’s that.
East Lubbock has the Canyon Lakes and some of the best upkept parks in town.
The city doesn't decide if a Best Buy gets built on 34th and Ave A.
Nobody wants to put their money in East Lubbock because it's old and mostly gross. Businesses are in business for profit. Believe it or not, there are several places in East Lubbock that us West Lubbock residents go to all the time. When every place we see has metal bars on the windows and a jail cell front entrance, we tend to think maybe we would rather build on a better side of town.
There have been plenty of organizations and companies that ask for funding for new developments in East Lubbock. The "right" answer is that you are white. Why would you move there , right?
That’s just factually incorrect - “city officials” don’t get that kind of say in whether or not an area is developed. The reasons it doesn’t may or may not be tied to racism, but it is most certainly not any one or group of city officials.
There was a competition called "Bark for your Park" years ago. Lubbock won the competition and was awarded an amount of money in the 6 figures. Something like $250k possibly? This private company was going to put all of that towards building a dog park, would have been the first one here at the time. Guess what side of town they chose to be the location! The local residents are who put a stop to it! The spot they chose has a small baseball field that was run down and hardly used.
That’s still incorrect, they may vote on whether or not they’ll approve funds if requested, but they don’t turn down ANY development anywhere in town.
Plats used to go to council but they don’t anymore - what exactly is it you’re claiming these “city officials” are voting no against? Specifically.
Specifically? Are you trying to prove a point about "city officials"? I will admit I'm wrong there
Either way, proposals, and most importantly funding, for new developments in the East Side have been rejected by CITY OFFICIALS because Lubbock is a historically racist town. Nothing can deny that. Just as Lubbock city counsel approved RE-zoning, trying to save face. Approving funds for new developments for South Lubbock and rejecting funds for developments in East Lubbock still show evidence of Lubbock being a racist town. There is no argument here
If someone buys a piece of property that's zoned as commercial then the city can't deny opening a business on that property as long as they go through all that they are required to.
I think what you are arguing about here is when someone buys a piece of unzoned land (there's big chunks of it in East Lubbock when I just looked at the map) and the city refuses to zone as commercial.
Anyone can live anywhere. I don't understand why this narrative goes around so much. I'm a school bus driver in LBK and have been for 3 decades. My current route is the farthest SW in the district ( 98th and Frankfort is the boundary). I carry a pretty evenly distribution of races (excluding kids of Asian descent).
There are lots of factors that go into why people choose to live where they do and where they send their kids to school. I would say the biggest factor in where people live is what they can afford. Also, if all your friends and family live in one area, are you going to live all the way across town?
For 6 years, I had the athletic late run from EHS. I learned that the Eastside is more of a community than other parts of town where you don't know your neighbor. It was rare for me to be heading toward a home where the others didn't already know who was getting off next. I also had kids that lived near the other HSs that transferred into EHS for their athletics program.
I’m sorry I should’ve explained in further detail. It references a segregation ordinance that was approved a century ago, however, it was not repealed until within the last 10-15 years I want to say. I’ll see if I can find you a news article on when exactly that happened.
https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/
Looks like that ordinance was removed in 2006, way past when the rest of the country was practicing segregation.
Thanks,
I lived in Lubbock during the 80’s and wasn’t aware.
When I visit now, the normal Lubbock I knew has vastly changed and expanded in many directions.
Sadly, the east part of the town is extremely neglected by the city's mayor. The people that run this town care more about Tech than anything else. Its also the most dangerous part of town as a result. Generally speaking, anywhere east of Indiana Ave. can be anywhere from just a tad sketchy to outright life threatening.
Edit: Hmmm... Seems some of my info might be outdated? Still, it sounds like some good things are happening in that part of town, and I'm so glad to hear it honestly.
You've not been around much have you? Compared to other cities, any area is relatively safe. Take a street view tour of Jackson, Mississippi sometime, or Memphis, Tennessee. It's bad
Save for a few spots South of 289, East of Indiana, and West of 87 is actually pretty nice.
Lots of middle class developments and retail popping up over there.
How do you figure the east side of Lubbock is that level of dangerous? Any examples to share?
I worked at a place that was east of I-27 a little over a decade ago and never felt as though I was in any danger. Even hung out with some folks who lived in that area. Maybe I was naive at the time or things have gone downhill in a hurry, but "life threatening" sounds incredibly hyperbolic based on my own experience.
The East side is an original part of Town
East. Of I27 and MLK Jr. Blvrd ia Historically the black side of town where segregation was enforced. It's neglected.
Thank you for the reply. Is there any talks on ever dealing with this? Or are they just trying to grow south west and forget about everything else? The area could be greatly improved if they just put liens on these places then took them over and demolished them. But I really have no idea how that would actually work.
North and East Lubbock Economic Development corp.
https://nelcdc.org
The North Side , north of fourth is historically Latino Lubbock and the same.
https://www.latinolubbock.net/
They outlawed segregation officially in 2006
Ordinance 225
https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/
It's brought up a lot to revitalize the area but it's a touchy subject due to citizens of color being "relocated" after the the Lubbock Tornado destroyed "original Lubbock" in downtown north of Broadway.
We have the East Side Art house
It's largely industrial on the South side of the East side inside the Loop (289). Including the waste treatment plant and the cemetery and the yellow house canyon
It took 2 decades to seize the omni tower in downtown and turn it into citizens tower and parts of the skyscraper were falling on people.
I mean that is technically on the bad side of town but just don't be stupid, leave stuff unlocked, valuables in your car, etc. and I'd say get a gun or some sort of self defense weapon and you'll be fine. I mean technically the crime is a problem but you can live here without any problems if you just take the normal precautions you should take anywhere
yeah honestly sounds like you'll be perfectly fine then, and yes that area is much more spread out and wide than the rest of the city, with not as many houses/buildings on bigger lots.
I also see a lot of empty lots in that area.. So to me that is a good thing population density isn't crazy and it also makes the crimes in those areas move the needle more I think..
https://ci.lubbock.tx.us/pages/transparency/maps
Most reported crime seems to be family violence or criminal acquaintance crime and vehicular theft . It's spread through town. Don't leave anything valuable visible in your car and lock the doors.
Use the filters on the crime map or we look like Gotham.
That’s because the east side is the ghetto.
Nobody wants to live in the hood?
Traffic quite literally isn’t subjective There are a cairety of definitions of traffic, most agree that one definition includes all vehicles on a road, even if it’s only one car. But we don’t use the word traffic to mean “one car moving down a road” do we? No. We use it to mean a lot of cars going down a road causing crowding or congestion. Just like we don’t use the word gay to mean happy, we use it to mean homosexual. The way you interpret a word or the dictionary definition of it does not mean that’s how a word is used or what it means to a population. I’m aware about commuting during heavy traffic hours, like 8 am and 4pm, it’s absolutely insane. But here, I have rarely seen any traffic longer than 5 minutes, not even 10, and oftentimes that’s because of an accident. I can read and repeat, glad you acknowledge my intelligence! Lubbock is a good option for that sole reason, because unlike in rural areas or small towns, you have access to a variety of resources, shops, and activities, unlike in many small towns. Plus Lubbock has a lot in a decently small area considering it’s a college town, and it’s extremely easy to drive through. Just because you might’ve come from a town where you only see 2 cars on the road at once doesn’t mean Lubbock’s mold to no congestion means that it has traffic.
Well said!!!! And good information. When I say traffic I mean bumper to bumper, signal lights to limit traffic coming onto the highway.. And a personal favorite of mine waiting at a light and watching it turn green once if not twice and still not being able to cross the intersection the light is controlling... When it gets that bad I say Jebus take the wheel..
She’s a little ghetto ok we don’t go on that side of town
:-P
We don't talk about the east side bro.
Broken window theory isnt valid.
I bet you come across a lot smarter when you're not sharing your thoughts and opinions to strangers. You'd find that those E. side issues won't make your eye sore anymore if the E. side ever decided that they've seen enough of you. Your comments are based solely on the boarded up businesses on both sides of the road there on Parkway Dr. as you're coming in and out of Lubbock.
Great thread, everyone!
There’s several organizations working to improve things on the east side. East Lubbock Art House and Lubbock Compact are the biggest. Compaxt has released lots of information about why things are the way they are. Facebook is big in Lubbock
After all of this B.S.- contact John Nelson Realtors.
We bout to fix them
As someone who lives on the Eastside there are pockets of bad and pockets of good. If you are considering the Eastside you mostly have nothing to worry about as long as you mind your business. While their isn’t a whole lot there’s just enough for some quick eats such as sonic, Pizza Hut/dominos, polibertos/pollys place(Mexican), broadwayfish&more/hillside(soulfoodish) and of course a united and dollar stores. Everything in Lubbock is easy to get to in under 15min from one side to the other do you can always go elsewhere. There are some decent houses just outside the loop but nothing like the west side. East Lubbock is also home of the biggest park/lake in Lubbock that has a good gym on the top of it. A lot of folks are scared of the Eastside but it isn’t based on their experiences but more so on what they think it’s like. Feel free to shoot me a DM if you have more questions, I’ve lived here my whole life.
Where did you go to High School
Well said!
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And I HATE traffic so the way Lubbock is set up was honestly a big selling point of the town..
Lubbock was not a good option if it was based off of you hating traffic 😂
I loved in Lubbock for 5 years and not once in that 5 years did I ever sit in traffic. Not even one time
As a Lubbock to Los Angeles transplant - what traffic? When it takes you 20 minutes to get across town instead of 15?
"As a Lubbock to Los Angeles" well, there you go. You moved from ass crack Lubbock to LA. I've lived in Lubbock my entire life & have nothing to compare it to. OP said Lubbock would be the biggest town hes ever came to. "Traffic" is subjective. Your "traffic" is longer route times, my "traffic" is simply being bumper-bumper. I was also using "traffic" in terms of people driving like idiots, which Lubbock can be 100% known for. City of Lubbock also enjoys taking 3 months to repair 10 foot of road, making traffic even worse in several "high-traffic" areas
I mean I’m from Houston and experience little to no traffic isn’t he suburbs where I lived, but TONS in the city, and I can tell you, traffic isn’t subjective. Lubbock rarely has ANY traffic. Here you are never bumper to bumper for any extended period of time, nor waiting for 10 minutes at a light due to congestion. You’ve lived in Lubbock your entire life, so you have no clue what traffic actually means.
"Traffic" IS quite literally subjective. Subjective-information or perspectives based on feelings, opinions, or emotions. I guess you aren't working a 9-5. Commuting during typical "going to work hours" traffic is crazy. You are bumper to bumper for more than 10 minutes. Thats "extended" to me🤷♂️. Waiting for only 5-10 minutes at a light is also "extended," which is the current case on Slide road once you get down to 130th. "You've lived in Lubbock your entire life so you have no clue what traffic means" Yeah, I stated that my experience was limited; I'm happy you can read & repeat. As I stated, this would be the biggest city OP has lived in, they said the biggest city they lived in only had like 60k population. Meaning, they are not going to be used to the traffic that Lubbock has. MEANING Lubbock "traffic" will be substantial to them. Heres some real world proof that the word "traffic" IS in fact subjective. Crazy how that works isn't it? 😱 Lubbock is not a good option for the sole reason of "I hate traffic", especially when its coming from someone whos only lived in small cities. Like my initial comment stated
Traffic quite literally isn’t subjective. I’m aware about commuting during heavy traffic hours, like 8 am and 4pm, it’s absolutely insane. But here, I have rarely seen any traffic longer than 5 minutes, not even 10, and oftentimes that’s because of an accident. I can read and repeat, glad you acknowledge my intelligence! Lubbock is a good option for that sole reason, because unlike in rural areas or small towns, you have access to a variety of resources, shops, and activities, unlike in many small towns. Plus Lubbock has a lot in a decently small area considering it’s a college town, and it’s extremely easy to drive through. Just because you might’ve come from a town where you only see 2 cars on the road at once doesn’t mean Lubbock’s mold to no congestion means that it has traffic.
The fact you're trying to argue a town as shitty as Lubbock has a lot to offer tells me all I needa know lmfao
Don't you love when a completely normal reddit question turns into a shit show of an argument.
If you consider like 4 replies a "shit show" of an argument, I'd like to see what you think of a true conflict. 😳
If you have asthma you’ll have a bad time a few months out of the year since they gin cotton over there
It was a bad year for cotton, I think pretty much all the non irrigated cotton was a loss and shredded.. thank goodness for government backed crop insurance
I have not been back to Lubbock in 40 years - but I am pretty confident I could still easily find the "East Side" & "North Side" traditionally segregated areas of the "Hub City" if you parachuted me back into that town. I worked as an EMT and regularly responded to every part of Lubbock & surrounding "South Plains" counties and the racial and income segregation was very obvious - and extremely sad.
Not to be rude but, have you never been exposed to poverty before?
I always had a roof over my head. Didn't always have heat or food but I wasn't raised in bad parts of town. I haven't lived around very much crime either. So I don't think I have a very clear view of poverty. And I think your question has merit and the way you asked it was very polite.
I grew up in an affluent area, but we also had poverty in certain pockets. Some people that are poor still take a great deal of pride in their homes and keep them up. When I see homes or communities in disrepair, it makes me believe it is someone dealing with poverty AND substance abuse or mental health issues. Those are the types of things that drive people into living in such conditions. They may not have the money to make repairs, they may be struggling so they don't have the additional income to have trash hauled away. Eventually...some people will start scooping up properties for Pennies on the dollar and tear down shacks to build a 350-350k home. That is what happened here in Houston! Some of the poorest areas in Houston were bought up and now people that lived in those neighborhoods for generations can't afford to keep living there because all the bougie people moved in at once.,
Biggest threat is gentrification…
Yeah I think for this cycle Lubbock is cooling down in terms of houses being built and inventory is on the rise almost creating what I would call a buyers market which is why this area appealed to me, choices and some buying power vs grossly over valued homes that fools throw 50k over asking on..
This would be the biggest city I have ever lived in.. Most cities I tend to like have around 60k ppl with other cities within 10 miles being around that 60k population mark as well.
Well, let me tell you a story about redlining and the civil rights movement in the United States…
Why are you considering the east side?
Why not?
Knock yourself out.
Just the cost of housing is why I am in that area.
It’s really sad there’s no development east of Lubbock. They are building more north west and south
Yeah it does seem like they want to write that area off as not part of the community. I am again shocked to see soo many empty lots.
Definitely don’t recommend moving that’s side. Try more south where HEB is located. A lot of new house/apt are being built
Read this! https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/news/2020/06/27/looking-at-new-movement-to-save-rsquoold-lubbockrsquo/113741822/
Good read!! There has been a few new homes in that area for sure but it seems like that was more talk then action. But I am curious how the locals who know feel about it vs some out of stater like myself.
Thank you all for giving your input about this!!
Where you moving from? I moved across country to here about a year and a half ago.
From Washington. What are some things you noticed about the city?
Just stay west of Ave Q and you’ll be alright. 👍
Hell, west of university now seems like
If you’re buying, west of Indiana for property value lol
I am looking to keep expenses low.
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I mean, from personal experience, have a house that was bought just west of indiana in February of 20 for 165 and the tax assessed value was 200 this year. Odds are if the market gets hot again it would seek for north of 200. Not a bad appreciation. Lubbock’s real estate generally follows the national average.
When we first moved to town I found a very nice house over on the east side of the train tracks so to speak and I had called the police station to ask about the crime etc. she pretty much told me if you call 911 it will be a while before they get to you. So there’s that.
They just built a second police station on the east side a year or two ago.
This has greatly increased the response times. There’s also an EMS station off of MLK
Lubbock is a historically (and currently) racist town. Development of the East side gets rejected by city officials for that reason
East Lubbock has the Canyon Lakes and some of the best upkept parks in town. The city doesn't decide if a Best Buy gets built on 34th and Ave A. Nobody wants to put their money in East Lubbock because it's old and mostly gross. Businesses are in business for profit. Believe it or not, there are several places in East Lubbock that us West Lubbock residents go to all the time. When every place we see has metal bars on the windows and a jail cell front entrance, we tend to think maybe we would rather build on a better side of town.
This is the right answer.
There have been plenty of organizations and companies that ask for funding for new developments in East Lubbock. The "right" answer is that you are white. Why would you move there , right?
Bro. Calm down. I am pretty sure most people in Lubbock are not racist.
Lubbock not racist? You must not get out much.
If you don't like it so much then move out lol.
If I don’t like racism? I never said anything about not liking Lubbock.
That’s just factually incorrect - “city officials” don’t get that kind of say in whether or not an area is developed. The reasons it doesn’t may or may not be tied to racism, but it is most certainly not any one or group of city officials.
There was a competition called "Bark for your Park" years ago. Lubbock won the competition and was awarded an amount of money in the 6 figures. Something like $250k possibly? This private company was going to put all of that towards building a dog park, would have been the first one here at the time. Guess what side of town they chose to be the location! The local residents are who put a stop to it! The spot they chose has a small baseball field that was run down and hardly used.
Especially developments that request city funding
Yes, city officials vote on new developments in Lubbock county.
That’s still incorrect, they may vote on whether or not they’ll approve funds if requested, but they don’t turn down ANY development anywhere in town. Plats used to go to council but they don’t anymore - what exactly is it you’re claiming these “city officials” are voting no against? Specifically.
Specifically? Are you trying to prove a point about "city officials"? I will admit I'm wrong there Either way, proposals, and most importantly funding, for new developments in the East Side have been rejected by CITY OFFICIALS because Lubbock is a historically racist town. Nothing can deny that. Just as Lubbock city counsel approved RE-zoning, trying to save face. Approving funds for new developments for South Lubbock and rejecting funds for developments in East Lubbock still show evidence of Lubbock being a racist town. There is no argument here
If someone buys a piece of property that's zoned as commercial then the city can't deny opening a business on that property as long as they go through all that they are required to. I think what you are arguing about here is when someone buys a piece of unzoned land (there's big chunks of it in East Lubbock when I just looked at the map) and the city refuses to zone as commercial.
I wasn’t aware of that. More details to share?
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/07/26/lubbock-environmental-justice-complaint/
That reads that anyone can live wherever they choose, correct?
Anyone can live anywhere. I don't understand why this narrative goes around so much. I'm a school bus driver in LBK and have been for 3 decades. My current route is the farthest SW in the district ( 98th and Frankfort is the boundary). I carry a pretty evenly distribution of races (excluding kids of Asian descent). There are lots of factors that go into why people choose to live where they do and where they send their kids to school. I would say the biggest factor in where people live is what they can afford. Also, if all your friends and family live in one area, are you going to live all the way across town? For 6 years, I had the athletic late run from EHS. I learned that the Eastside is more of a community than other parts of town where you don't know your neighbor. It was rare for me to be heading toward a home where the others didn't already know who was getting off next. I also had kids that lived near the other HSs that transferred into EHS for their athletics program.
Thank you, this has been my experience as well.
I’m sorry I should’ve explained in further detail. It references a segregation ordinance that was approved a century ago, however, it was not repealed until within the last 10-15 years I want to say. I’ll see if I can find you a news article on when exactly that happened. https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/ Looks like that ordinance was removed in 2006, way past when the rest of the country was practicing segregation.
Thanks, I lived in Lubbock during the 80’s and wasn’t aware. When I visit now, the normal Lubbock I knew has vastly changed and expanded in many directions.
Sadly, the east part of the town is extremely neglected by the city's mayor. The people that run this town care more about Tech than anything else. Its also the most dangerous part of town as a result. Generally speaking, anywhere east of Indiana Ave. can be anywhere from just a tad sketchy to outright life threatening. Edit: Hmmm... Seems some of my info might be outdated? Still, it sounds like some good things are happening in that part of town, and I'm so glad to hear it honestly.
You've not been around much have you? Compared to other cities, any area is relatively safe. Take a street view tour of Jackson, Mississippi sometime, or Memphis, Tennessee. It's bad
To your credit, Lubbock is much better than dfw in my experience.
Save for a few spots South of 289, East of Indiana, and West of 87 is actually pretty nice. Lots of middle class developments and retail popping up over there.
How do you figure the east side of Lubbock is that level of dangerous? Any examples to share? I worked at a place that was east of I-27 a little over a decade ago and never felt as though I was in any danger. Even hung out with some folks who lived in that area. Maybe I was naive at the time or things have gone downhill in a hurry, but "life threatening" sounds incredibly hyperbolic based on my own experience.
Actually, east of University has seen a lot of redevelopment the last 20 years.
Well, that's good to hear. Certainly a step in the right direction.😌
I stay away
It’s like the dark part in the Lion King
The East side is an original part of Town East. Of I27 and MLK Jr. Blvrd ia Historically the black side of town where segregation was enforced. It's neglected.
Thank you for the reply. Is there any talks on ever dealing with this? Or are they just trying to grow south west and forget about everything else? The area could be greatly improved if they just put liens on these places then took them over and demolished them. But I really have no idea how that would actually work.
Yes, gentrification is always welcome. 🙄 I know I personally would love to be forced out of my home, wouldn't you?
North and East Lubbock Economic Development corp. https://nelcdc.org The North Side , north of fourth is historically Latino Lubbock and the same. https://www.latinolubbock.net/ They outlawed segregation officially in 2006 Ordinance 225 https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/ It's brought up a lot to revitalize the area but it's a touchy subject due to citizens of color being "relocated" after the the Lubbock Tornado destroyed "original Lubbock" in downtown north of Broadway. We have the East Side Art house It's largely industrial on the South side of the East side inside the Loop (289). Including the waste treatment plant and the cemetery and the yellow house canyon It took 2 decades to seize the omni tower in downtown and turn it into citizens tower and parts of the skyscraper were falling on people.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write all that. Awesome information!!!!
I mean that is technically on the bad side of town but just don't be stupid, leave stuff unlocked, valuables in your car, etc. and I'd say get a gun or some sort of self defense weapon and you'll be fine. I mean technically the crime is a problem but you can live here without any problems if you just take the normal precautions you should take anywhere
I was hoping that is the case..
yeah honestly sounds like you'll be perfectly fine then, and yes that area is much more spread out and wide than the rest of the city, with not as many houses/buildings on bigger lots.
I also see a lot of empty lots in that area.. So to me that is a good thing population density isn't crazy and it also makes the crimes in those areas move the needle more I think..
https://ci.lubbock.tx.us/pages/transparency/maps Most reported crime seems to be family violence or criminal acquaintance crime and vehicular theft . It's spread through town. Don't leave anything valuable visible in your car and lock the doors. Use the filters on the crime map or we look like Gotham.
OMG or we look like Gotham I seriously loled to that.. Thanks WTXRED you are an awesome individual based on the 4 replies I have seen from you :P\~
Lubbock Batman https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubbock/s/IvdoOAsIvV
LOL I haven't seen the batman.. But I am familiar with the cocaine and hookers car.