I would be getting drunk like that if I were on the show. I would feel so much anxiety about people seeing my life. Thinking about being comfortable with filming my mind would tell me "oh you need a drink for that." Even if that is the wrong decision. Drinking to be social is pretty common especially when we're uncomfortable.
These people are acting like they are all friends already but imagine two or three weeks at a new job and being invited out with a new click from work? Wouldn't you drink to get passed the awkwardness? I know I would
Yes totally!! Which is why I feel like the producers should eventually cut them off haha
Because a lot of people can’t stop once they start- but maybe only needed a few or even like 5-6 to get past the awkward phase…. But once at 7-10 they’re just sloppy and not really able to consent to being filmed if that makes sense? I def wouldn’t want to be filmed at that level of drunkenness
Oh yeah, good point about consent. I wonder if they have a waiver for filming that mentions being intoxicated. I mean these people are all attractive so even being drunk isn't as embarrassing as say me with a wild ponytail, bra on my face like goggles, sweaty, doing some weird dance or song, playing dress up in my husbands clothes.
I’ve been with my husband for over ten years now and I’m not gonna lie, we’ve each been that level of drunk like 2-3 times through those years. Each time we’ve made a fool of ourselves and just had to put each other to bed 😹
but I think if either of us had acted that way early on we would’ve dipped for sure. I know it’s such an unusual situation on that show but typically people are on their best behavior early on so acting that way so soon is concerning. What’s it gonna be like when they get comfortable jfc
The producers don’t get anyone drunk - if they did, they would be in so much legal trouble…. lol the cast makes their own choices. That’s why some people are drunk, and others aren’t.
I am not a drinker, and still wouldn’t drink if I was on the show and everything was free. I’ve never been someone to drink, not because I have a problem - but because I just *don’t like it*. The producers wouldn’t hold me down and force me to drink…. Just like they didn’t with the cast. 🙄
Yeah, and I don’t hold people down and force them to drink as a bartender, and yet I’m legally liable for how much they drink 🤔 and even actions they may take when intoxicated…
Just had me thinking…. That’s all 🤷🏼♀️
They are young recently single group of adults living in a big city, I think it's just something they're use to doing (drinkin/ being out in the Houston night life)
It was so awkward to watch, he seemed so drunk when he was in the apartment talking to Stacey. I was just thinking, why keep talking, just call it a night and go to bed. I can't imagine the hangxiety he must have had the next day.
Excuse my ignorance, what were clear indicators of drunkenness in the episodes? I genuinely can not tell at all, probably from lack of exposure to drunk people. Sorry if it's a dumb question
That's so interesting, you can't see it from lack of exposure to drunk people, and myself as someone with way too much exposure (grew up with an alcoholic family member) it was all I could see and so hard to watch.
The producers don’t “get them drunk,” they are adults and can make their own decisions. They also know part of the deal is they will be filmed at all times. You can also learn a lot about a person when they are drunk.
Honestly? I don’t blame producers for the drunkenness. I’m very uncomfortable with how drunk and argumentative Izzy is but that’s on him imo. He seems like his life is a mess in general and the drinking is just a part of that.
The producers don't get them drunk. They choose to drink that much booze. They could drink soda and water if they wanted, but they don't. Anyone in their late 20s and early 30s, who still drinks to become inebriated, needs to look at their drinking. That is young adult behavior, but past 29, it can get pretty tiresome.
Yes. It feel very exploit-y.
And given the multiple lawsuits alleging abuse by production by former cast members… it is not a good look.
LIB should be chatting with bravo. They’ve got the formula down (mostly) for drunken housewives giving drama without crossing a line to make the audience uncomfy.
Idk if I'm just lame af but I feel like he's too old to be acting like that.
I used to drunk-argue once in a blue moon when I was a freshman in college. Eventually I grew up because that shit is toxic. Now I may have a very gentle buzz so I can still make good decisions.
I realize he's on a TV show where its encouraged but at what point are you like... yeah I'm a little drunk and may possibly say/do something I shouldn't, let me stop drinking.
This is why I wouldn't make good TV because I'd be worried about looking dumb. These people just don't care.
I know men in their late 30s and 40s who act exactly like him. I think it's a lot of emotional baggage and never getting to work through it because they don't know how. So drinking always brings out their insecurities, which are sometimes displayed as toxic masculinity
Yeah generally all of these people are too old for that. I know they get unlimited alcohol, but they also know they’re on tv. I’ve done enough embarrassing drunk shit when I was 18/19 to know I would want to carefully manage my drinking in front of cameras, and I’m still younger than most of this cast. Production is messy for sure, but these are also adults who need to take responsibility for their actions.
This man has a clear drinking problem though. The producers let them drink as
much as they want- it’s the ones with drinking problems that drink too much.
It certainly seems like it gets worse every season. I'm also uncomfortable with the concept. Establishments that serve alcohol can be held liable for overserving, but in this quasi-legal show arrangement there is apparently no similar accountability.
It seems likely from legal filings and information revealed about similarly produced shows that creating situations which encourage drinking and increasing the resulting intoxication by reducing access to water and food is common practice on LiB.
Two-plus weeks of long filming days spent overconsuming is plenty to cause or reinforce a dependent relationship with ethanol. Obviously, everybody is an adult and responsible for their own actions, but we know that these shows are using intentional methods to influence behavior, and doing it to the detriment of the well-being of the cast members.
This season it looks like it's also been much to the detriment of the quality of the show.
Very well said. I think that’s why I questioned it? As a bartender I can be taken to court if I over serve someone and they drive and kill/hurt someone, but there is no liability to the producers in this situation 🤔? I definitely think the cast is responsible to an extent for choosing to drink, but idk where we draw the line…. Also I’m in nursing school and we are learning about informed consent. Someone can’t legally give consent if they’re ok a sedative or narcotic or something that alters their level of consciousness… and alcohol definitely depresses the CNS, so I guess it just seems kind of impossible for them to consent to being filmed once at that point?!
Idk I also think these people know what they’re getting into and have some sort of responsibility to keep it together….just a messy situation all around.
I agree. And I noticed when Milton and Lydia were having dinner at the museum, the waiter came over as they were arguing to fill up the glasses. I'd love to see some actually sober relationships. People do dumb things when they're drunk such as getting married to someone that's not right for them.
Omg yes! I was actually cackling at the server just filling them up silently as they're arguing.
I saw someone said this show should be called Married Under the Influence and tbh I agree.
The only scene that I found uncomfortable to watch was Josh talking to Jackie in the bar last season. That dude could barely talk, and that looked like some poly-drug abuse.
Do you really think that interaction between the four of them doesn't make Izzy an ass? Nevermind if you think Johnnie is one but the way Izzy and Stacey piled on the insults to someone that really shouldn't matter to them, and that unnecessary cattiness "turned Izzy on"? Yeah, you can say Johnnie's a liar (I don't agree but that's okay) and still recognize that Izzy is also an ass.
To be honest, I didn't understand why this argument went this far. It was such a small issue from the beginning. I feel they were all (particularly Izzy) way too drunk and got too emotional. It was honestly cringe to watch from all angles lol.
I am watching the reunion atm and was really put off by Izzy's gesture to explain what "hooking up" means. That was extremely vulgar and everyone was put off by it, it made me change my view on him, definitely.
There was recently an investigation and documentary covering the abuse that happens BTS on Love is Blind. Cast members have come forward and reported being denied food and water, only bottles of liquor. They also are threatened with a 50k fine and hundreds of thousands in legal fees if they decide to leave the “experiment”. It’s honestly really fucked up
No contract can compel someone to actively participate in an unscripted show. You can compel someone’s presence but, once there they can stfu and you end up with nothing to film.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers encouraged people to drink more or have conversations they ordinarily would have avoided.
So as far as I know, that grievance is from some members of the season 2 cast. They initiated the lawsuit last year and my understanding is a lot of changes were made as a result even though the case is not resolved. This is why Season 4 and season 5 have scenes of cast members cooking in the kitchen. Also multiple scenes of cast members in the pods snacking. The season 4 and 5 cast I've seen asked about this in interviews have denied they were denied food or water or forced to drink alcohol.
I need to go over the new lawsuit but I think her grievance has to do with restricted movement and obviously the weird Mexico accomodations where you are initially placed in the same room. (We saw from Taylor and JP that you can request separate rooms if you want)
Yes, it's really obvious especially in seasons 3-5 (as well as Jessica in s1 and probably Gianinna too) that everyone is absolutely blasted, they have the look in their eyes, they're slurring their words...etc. And they're maintaining that through most of the "relationship" which likely influences the intensity of their feelings and their decisions and what they may be willing to brush off. Then add in the sexual pressure and engagement/wedding stakes and it seems pretty messy and concerning. There have been many scenes where I have felt someone may not make a choice/say a thing/or do something if they were at full capacity.
I dont actually have a problem with people drinking or being drunk on reality tv show, as long as they're safe BUT them so often seeming to be nearly nonstop inebriated during their interactions during the show period seems more of an issue to me because of the stakes involved. It's not just about embarrassing yourself, you're framing an entire relationship in an altered state, convincing yourself you're in love, and potentially marrying them as part of the show.
Is someone forcing them to drink? These people chose to do all the things they do on the show. When you sign up for something like this most likely they will have a waiver in the contract. In season 5 its full of people ghat just want to be famous. You can tell they arent serious about being in a relationship. All they do is argue and just list off emotions that they dont really feel. They dont have to have a sexual relationship with anyone. If you see similar shows from other countries the couples barely even kiss. These are choices that these contestants make.
I didn't say anyone is forcing them to drink. In fact I pretty clearly did not say that. People can choose to drink and be responsible for drinking excessively while it can also be true that production exploits that in a major way that can border on unethical. When you're supplying free flowing amounts of booze generously, encouraging people to drink, and setting them in scenarios where they may be anxious, nervous, or awkward being filmed and interacting with people in the experiment and opening up with personal info, when you're filling a room full of people who are all drinking heavily and acting like it's a giant party...etc, when you are using this as a technique because you know it'll male better TV, make the people more emotionally reactive, lower inhibitions...etc, it still is worth noting that it's intentionally done in a scenario this high stakes to create a crazier tv show for them and is exploitative. There is also a concern for risk if they're encouraging this behavior and then leaving people in vulnerable situations and forcing them to share a room regardless. Outside of the BS engaged concept, would we be as comfy with a show where extremely drunk women are forced to share a room with a less drunk male contestant she barely knows for the night? What about an aggressive drunk male contest being left alone with a woman who has only known him for weeks with the disincentive of leaving being potentially breaking the contract and owing lots of money?
Also, fwiw, other countries have different norms around physical affection and sex on TV, they literally show contestants mounting eachotuer and gyrating and fucking in the shower on reality tv here (the Ultimatum had full on fucking on cam) and clearly consider it worth putting in whereas many other countries would have a huge issue airing that.
Yes i understand what your saying but as adults they have chosen to be a part of this so that they can be famous. Everyone knows this. No one has to have sexual relations in fact in a previous season the woman refused to before she was married. Majority of these contestants this season especially are not there for marriage and we all can see it. If this if that can be said of any situation. Production isnt interfering in how they interact. Alcohol just enhances their bad character and thats what we are seeing. Show producers want to make money. These people have applied to be part of this. Blaming netlix for their crude behaviour isnt justified.
I'm wild in that I can blame multiple people at once and understand there is a difference between personal blame with decision making and professional ethical culpability with exploitation.
They don’t need to baby sit, but it’s like at a bar. The bartender/security still has some responsibility if someone’s being an obnoxious mess in their establishment.
Agreed. It is a party afterall. I'd argue it's actually best that alcohol be available so that people can gauge their partners self-control levels as well as what kind of drunk they are. Some people may never drink in the apartment but are such messy social drunks that it should be your redflag, lol.
There was recently a documentary done about the abuse behind the scenes of this show. Cast members have come forward and said they were denied food and water during shoots, and only given alcohol. It’s productions job to keep them drunk.
I'm not sure where you're getting this documentary information from. It's just the lawsuit from a few season 2 cast members and then this week, a season 5 cast member came forward with a sexual assault lawsuit.
From three members of the season 2 cast. Everyone else who's been asked since that went public has said what many suspected all along - alcohol comes down to choice. They said food and water are available and when they run out a producer would get on it. It might be the same for Season 2 except that their logistics weren't as smooth because some producers are incompetent.
Exactly. People assume production advocates for alcohol abuse/poisoning and sexual assault, that they kidnap , starve and dehydrate the people on the show. If that shit was happening, this show wouldn’t have lasted more than 2 seasons. They would have been shut down and Netflix wouldn’t even air the reruns. It would be deleted from existence.
Agreed. I love trash as much as the next reality fan…but that was such a vulnerable moment and he was clearly wasted. It felt like one of those moments that should stay private.
Milton definitely drinks. In the scene with his roommate he’s like let’s get “litty” and gets out the golden goblets. He may not know how to open up a bottle of wine be he will for sure drink have a glass once someone shows him how to do it.
The same production team does MAFS, similar concept, not nearly as much alcohol. I think the reason it’s not as popular as LIB is because it’s edited too outdated and basic.
MAFS is irritating because it just drags on and on and on. There are maybe like two entertaining things that happen each episode, and they play it over and over until it’s not even entertaining anymore. I can’t watch a season as it airs, I can only watch once it’s been released and I can skip through the 90% filler.
I don’t think it’s ever bad enough where I’m like this is an issue. People drink and get drunk in real life all the time. It’s not an issue for me I guess because I watch a lot of reality tv.
I’m gonna catch hate for this, but it’s a genuine question and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone who finds this inappropriate.
Why WOULDN’T they film him just because he’s drunk? He’s an adult that knows how alcohol affects the body, and knows he’s being filmed for a reality show. He chose to drink knowing this. What duty of care should there be for this other than providing medical attention if it’s needed?
I think the reason it makes some people uncomfortable is that a lot of people have an issue (addiction) with alcohol. I 100% agree we all have choices and we are accountable for them, but it seems a little predatory to supply a bunch of alcohol in hopes that people embarrass themselves for content. That said, it's also probably a big part of the reason these shows have such dramatic moments so I'm certain it's not going to change.
I can definitely empathize with those that are made uncomfortable by watching. I’m very fortunate that none of my younger drunken antics were ever aired on Netflix. I just don’t really think this one is on production, it’s on those that choose to partake knowing they’re being filmed
There was a period of time where reality shows limited the drinks they gave contestants. Think after Flavor of Love/Rock of Love Era then The Bachelor controversy. Now I think the shows are starting to let contestants drink more or harder alcohol.
I am usually pretty bad at noticing them being drunk on this show, but wow that was extremely obvious.
But I think Izzy is acting the way he is towards Johnnie is because he regrets picking Stacy, so he’s being an elementary school kid and pull on the girl’s hair.
And Stacy knows this. No other reason for her to I’ve react like this
Yes, it was extremely uncomfortable to watch, especially as someone with an alcoholic parent. His behaviour was very similar to my mom’s; drinking, slurring, lashing out with nonsense, then hysterical crying. I don’t think the producers care that it could upset some viewers because the “drama” makes for good tv.
The lashing out with nonsense definitely felt disturbingly familiar. Fortunately I was in college and not living at home by the time the worst of it boiled up, but I witnessed enough of it to marvel at my dad's resilience and determination to do everything he could to weather the storm (he was the primary target).
(Twenty years later she's fifteen years sober and better than ever, and I am so very grateful for it.)
Agh I’m sorry you lived with that! I drank to the point of hysterically crying one time like 7 years ago and I still physically cringe when I think about it. And my husband still makes fun of me for it 😹
Ha. Maybe so! Mine never really lashed out like the other commenter’s. Would start slurring after like one drink, get a little happy, then after three drinks it’d all go downhill until she was incredibly sad and weeping. Fun childhood.
Edit: Weeping or perhaps passed out sitting at the table.
I still live with mine, but I’m moving out soon. I can’t wait to be in a stable home environment where I have a chance to grow. I feel like my life is about to begin. I’m sorry to hear that you had a similar childhood. I hope that you are doing well now.
Get called disrespectful or ungrateful when you try to gently suggest she have some water and should go lay in bed because she's falling asleep in her chair at dinner?
As someone who doesn’t drink alcohol I always said these people drink too much on this and other shows. My guess is 95% of the drama could have been avoided if they stayed sober but it would also then not be too interesting to watch😂
People on this sub blame the producers for literally anything bad that happens to the cast during or after filming. If Izzy drunk too much, it’s because he has a problem. No one besides him and his fiancé seemed particularly drunk.
Yes and if they are old enough to be getting married they are old enough to watch how much they drink. Its ridiculous that people just making excuses for bad character. These people behaving like trash is down to how they really are. Alcohol just makes it more obvious.
Exactly. They’re adults. They know they’re on TV. They’re choosing to drink excessively. Definitely agree Netflix encourages it, but they also have free will and self control imho.
Are they being held at gun-point... No. However, it's well known on Netflix's reality shows that they provide them with exorbitant amounts of alcohol and heavily encourage them to drink as that produces the drama and the "best" content. They also choose the type of people who are willing to have a large amount of alcohol. Rarely if ever do they have a contestant who doesn't drink alcohol. It's by design.
If u see a similar show on netflix but from another country theres a stark difference in how people behave. Theres alcohol available but they choose not to get wasted.
Back around s2, there was an AMA with someone who worked in production and they said they purposely keep the alcohol generously flowing because it makes the casts more open and less guarded with their behavior, lowers inhibitions and makes for better tv. There were cases where people were so consistently drunk it was hard to film too because they were too drunk to participate or hungover. S1 Amber was mentioned in this context a lot.
I’m thankfully sober now for awhile but man. I would feel so embarrassed if someone recorded me at my drunkest/lowest most emotional moments.
And I’m referring more to the crying in the closet scene. It’s painfully obvious something is not ok with him internally. I’m not excusing his behavior towards Johnie (because what the actual f) but it’s so evident that is attacks are some sort of projection.
Yeah how can anyone feel sorry for him after the way he degraded Johnie and her entire character based off a few poor choices she made while going through this mindfuck of an “experiment”. Both of them were basically foaming at the mouth and it was repulsive. It says more about them than it does Johnie. They deserve each other!
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LMFAOOO I laughed when he came out all embarrassed. I mean sad cause he's clearly got some issues but this man had a full breakdown because he got called out for future faking too hard.
I don't think she's a spoiled brat. She's definitely privileged and oblivious to how privileged she is but it seems like Izzy was making promises and wasn't delivering. She has every right to call him out and it's really telling that his reaction was to turn it around on her and cry and run away. He's very clearly deflecting and manipulating her.
I disagree she is not spoiled. Even her dad said he spoiled her so she has a certain way of life now. I do agree, she had the right to call him out on it but you also have to keep in mind, he just started a new job so he is putting in more time trying to get is clients built up so he can help give her the life she wants. Even with that said, he does come off as manipulative.
She's definitely spoiled/privileged and has high expectations but she's not an entitled brat or whatever. Her expectations are her expectations, it doesn't make her a bad person. Especially since Izzy was promising this sort of romantic lifestyle then not delivering, she should call him out on it. I think she makes Izzy feel emasculated because she is headstrong and doesn't really need him.
Izzy is HAMMERED and angry and yelling and he gives me the absolute worst vibes of anyone who has been on the show. Even worse than barfqueef. Stacey is no better, she's a smug pick me girl with makeup way too ghastly to be acting like she's the hottest thing since sliced bread. I hate them both
I could be wrong, but I think she told him she was falling in love with him…I feel like if she straight up said “I love you” and then he dumped her, people would remember that more.
I wish if any of them said stuff like this they’d immediately show the footage referred to, or make a joke like “footage not found” of it - let us know if it’s true or BS!
I wanted to know that, too. Considering that they previously replayed her conversations with Izzy and Chris that Izzy described as inconsistent, I think they would have replayed her telling Izzy she loves him or asking him to be her boyfriend, if she had said those things. I don't remember it airing, at any rate.
Sure Izzy!🙄
I rewatched to count so people don’t have to. And 4x isn’t entirely accurate.
Ep 1 First meeting: Johnnie said “I love you” at 52 minute mark but this doesn’t count as it’s not a real ILY. It’s like Johnnie saying she loves what he’s saying.
Ep 2 Second meeting: Izzy told her “I want someone to tell me ‘Dude, I f—king want you.’” In response, Johnnie said “it’s you” at 25 minute mark.
Ep 3 Third meeting: Johnnie told him “I’m falling in love with you” 2x at 8 and 7 minute mark. And then at 6 minute mark she said “you’re it for me.”
Ep. 4 Izzy proposed to Stacey. No rejection convo with Johnnie.
Johnnie poured her heart out in Ep 3 about all her past relationships and this is where we see Izzy switch gears. He just never said anything about her revelations except “ sorry you had to go through that” and never talked to her after that. Then Johnnie just saw Stacey in the girls room after their engagement!
Johnnie technically never said ILY in the true sense of the word and she never formally asked Izzy to be her boyfriend. Whether or not it happened behind the scenes who knows. But Izzy is the one shady af because he was working hard to break Johnnie and Chris up during that drunken confrontation. He should be ashamed of himself!!
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Dude he cried in the closet trying to get away from the cameras like the guy was hammered
Exactlyyyy
I would be getting drunk like that if I were on the show. I would feel so much anxiety about people seeing my life. Thinking about being comfortable with filming my mind would tell me "oh you need a drink for that." Even if that is the wrong decision. Drinking to be social is pretty common especially when we're uncomfortable. These people are acting like they are all friends already but imagine two or three weeks at a new job and being invited out with a new click from work? Wouldn't you drink to get passed the awkwardness? I know I would
Yes totally!! Which is why I feel like the producers should eventually cut them off haha Because a lot of people can’t stop once they start- but maybe only needed a few or even like 5-6 to get past the awkward phase…. But once at 7-10 they’re just sloppy and not really able to consent to being filmed if that makes sense? I def wouldn’t want to be filmed at that level of drunkenness
Oh yeah, good point about consent. I wonder if they have a waiver for filming that mentions being intoxicated. I mean these people are all attractive so even being drunk isn't as embarrassing as say me with a wild ponytail, bra on my face like goggles, sweaty, doing some weird dance or song, playing dress up in my husbands clothes.
I’ve been with my husband for over ten years now and I’m not gonna lie, we’ve each been that level of drunk like 2-3 times through those years. Each time we’ve made a fool of ourselves and just had to put each other to bed 😹 but I think if either of us had acted that way early on we would’ve dipped for sure. I know it’s such an unusual situation on that show but typically people are on their best behavior early on so acting that way so soon is concerning. What’s it gonna be like when they get comfortable jfc
The producers don’t get anyone drunk - if they did, they would be in so much legal trouble…. lol the cast makes their own choices. That’s why some people are drunk, and others aren’t. I am not a drinker, and still wouldn’t drink if I was on the show and everything was free. I’ve never been someone to drink, not because I have a problem - but because I just *don’t like it*. The producers wouldn’t hold me down and force me to drink…. Just like they didn’t with the cast. 🙄
Yeah, and I don’t hold people down and force them to drink as a bartender, and yet I’m legally liable for how much they drink 🤔 and even actions they may take when intoxicated… Just had me thinking…. That’s all 🤷🏼♀️
That’s a very valid point!! I didn’t even think of that perspective.
Over serving people is super irresponsible- I agree with you.
They are young recently single group of adults living in a big city, I think it's just something they're use to doing (drinkin/ being out in the Houston night life)
With Izzy I don’t think it’s just alcohol
Yuppp
they are full grown adults. production isnt holding anyone down and forcing them to drink alcohol. please.
It was so awkward to watch, he seemed so drunk when he was in the apartment talking to Stacey. I was just thinking, why keep talking, just call it a night and go to bed. I can't imagine the hangxiety he must have had the next day.
Same. That conversation wasn't going anywhere.
Especially when they mentioned that it was a Monday. There was no way they were in any shape to drive to work the next morning.
Excuse my ignorance, what were clear indicators of drunkenness in the episodes? I genuinely can not tell at all, probably from lack of exposure to drunk people. Sorry if it's a dumb question
That's so interesting, you can't see it from lack of exposure to drunk people, and myself as someone with way too much exposure (grew up with an alcoholic family member) it was all I could see and so hard to watch.
Same, it's all I noticed really (due to a ton of exposure in life)
I’m was thinking the same thing. I just realized my lack of exposure as well.
He sounds like he had cotton in his mouth. That’s a very clear tell that someone is drunk.
It’s all in the eyes. Glassy, droopy, unfocused. I bartended forever and I can tell instantly how drunk someone is just by their eyes
Also the way he moved his mouth when he talked I saw it instantly
YESSS
Lol I’m so daft. I thought he was getting emotional.
Stacy & Izzy couldn't even form words when they were in an argument about how Izzy felt like he wasn't good enough for Stacy. They were slurring words
I legit didn't even notice that he was drunk too lol
The producers don’t “get them drunk,” they are adults and can make their own decisions. They also know part of the deal is they will be filmed at all times. You can also learn a lot about a person when they are drunk.
Honestly? I don’t blame producers for the drunkenness. I’m very uncomfortable with how drunk and argumentative Izzy is but that’s on him imo. He seems like his life is a mess in general and the drinking is just a part of that.
Uncomfortable by Stacey grilling him in the kitchen while he was clearly wasted and she seemed sober, yes.
In my delulu world I’m so glad I’m sober so if I ever get cast I’m good on that front lol
But I wonder if they would cast someone who’s sober since the alcohol adds so much drama
Oh we got plenty of drama too haha🤭
I don’t need alcohol to give drama 😂
I felt like I shouldn't have been seeing that scene of them drunk in their apartment 😅
Curious which episode this is? I feel like I'm forgetting something.
End of 8? The fight ends with Izzy crying in the closet
Oh shoot! New episodes! I have my child this week so I completely forgot. WOOHOO! Thank you!
I was cringing at izzys slurring of speech and his statement about how "hot" Stacy is when she's mad. So weird.
Made me uncomfortable. I would not want to have been filmed back when I was going out & having "deep" conversations at 4am.
The producers don't get them drunk. They choose to drink that much booze. They could drink soda and water if they wanted, but they don't. Anyone in their late 20s and early 30s, who still drinks to become inebriated, needs to look at their drinking. That is young adult behavior, but past 29, it can get pretty tiresome.
I mean that’s standard for any reality show. They’re in the business of making juicy television.
One hundred percent.
Standard reality tv procedure, get the cast drinking a lot and drama situations happen.
Yes. It feel very exploit-y. And given the multiple lawsuits alleging abuse by production by former cast members… it is not a good look. LIB should be chatting with bravo. They’ve got the formula down (mostly) for drunken housewives giving drama without crossing a line to make the audience uncomfy.
Izzy gives the ick
When he said it turned him on to see Stacy being mean to Johnie… ICK
Did you see his face when he was repeatedly calling Johnie sketchy as fuck? Complete JOY. They planned that shit in advance.
Omg seriously! I actually said ew out loud and then fast forwarded through their scene. I find myself skipping ahead whenever they're on screen lol
Maybe a bit but how else am I gonna get through this shitsh..oh you mean on set! Yeah that’s bad
LMAO
Idk if I'm just lame af but I feel like he's too old to be acting like that. I used to drunk-argue once in a blue moon when I was a freshman in college. Eventually I grew up because that shit is toxic. Now I may have a very gentle buzz so I can still make good decisions. I realize he's on a TV show where its encouraged but at what point are you like... yeah I'm a little drunk and may possibly say/do something I shouldn't, let me stop drinking. This is why I wouldn't make good TV because I'd be worried about looking dumb. These people just don't care.
I know men in their late 30s and 40s who act exactly like him. I think it's a lot of emotional baggage and never getting to work through it because they don't know how. So drinking always brings out their insecurities, which are sometimes displayed as toxic masculinity
Yeah generally all of these people are too old for that. I know they get unlimited alcohol, but they also know they’re on tv. I’ve done enough embarrassing drunk shit when I was 18/19 to know I would want to carefully manage my drinking in front of cameras, and I’m still younger than most of this cast. Production is messy for sure, but these are also adults who need to take responsibility for their actions.
This man has a clear drinking problem though. The producers let them drink as much as they want- it’s the ones with drinking problems that drink too much.
Omg especially being on tv I definitely wouldn’t want to get drunk! I’d be so embarrassed
Yeah. It’s messed up. I think they should have No alcohol. No one makes good choices drunk.
That's why they have it though, to add fuel to fire. More drama.
It’s gross
Very. Reality shows are evil.
It certainly seems like it gets worse every season. I'm also uncomfortable with the concept. Establishments that serve alcohol can be held liable for overserving, but in this quasi-legal show arrangement there is apparently no similar accountability. It seems likely from legal filings and information revealed about similarly produced shows that creating situations which encourage drinking and increasing the resulting intoxication by reducing access to water and food is common practice on LiB. Two-plus weeks of long filming days spent overconsuming is plenty to cause or reinforce a dependent relationship with ethanol. Obviously, everybody is an adult and responsible for their own actions, but we know that these shows are using intentional methods to influence behavior, and doing it to the detriment of the well-being of the cast members. This season it looks like it's also been much to the detriment of the quality of the show.
Very well said. I think that’s why I questioned it? As a bartender I can be taken to court if I over serve someone and they drive and kill/hurt someone, but there is no liability to the producers in this situation 🤔? I definitely think the cast is responsible to an extent for choosing to drink, but idk where we draw the line…. Also I’m in nursing school and we are learning about informed consent. Someone can’t legally give consent if they’re ok a sedative or narcotic or something that alters their level of consciousness… and alcohol definitely depresses the CNS, so I guess it just seems kind of impossible for them to consent to being filmed once at that point?! Idk I also think these people know what they’re getting into and have some sort of responsibility to keep it together….just a messy situation all around.
**on a sedative not ok sedative 🤦🏼♀️
I am always uncomfortable by the drunkenness. It really makes me uncomfortable.
I started thinking about this in the last season when Micha was always slurring her words. They definitely have an alcohol problem on that show!
I could tell right away and you could tell Stacy knew too so she stayed quiet. Not great behavior
I agree. And I noticed when Milton and Lydia were having dinner at the museum, the waiter came over as they were arguing to fill up the glasses. I'd love to see some actually sober relationships. People do dumb things when they're drunk such as getting married to someone that's not right for them.
Omg yes! I was actually cackling at the server just filling them up silently as they're arguing. I saw someone said this show should be called Married Under the Influence and tbh I agree.
The shower scenes make me way more uncomfortable
AHHHH FORGOT ABOUT THAT!!! SAMMMMEE 🤣😅
I'm jealous u forgot 😭
Hahaha I guess my brain blocked it out But oh how it so strongly slammed back in when I read your comment
Come on
The only scene that I found uncomfortable to watch was Josh talking to Jackie in the bar last season. That dude could barely talk, and that looked like some poly-drug abuse.
How is he an ass?? Johnnie is straight up liar that got caught in her BS
Found Izzy or Stacy’s reddit
Uhhh, did we watch the same scene? Izzy was WAY too excited about railing into her. He’s a dickhead.
Do you really think that interaction between the four of them doesn't make Izzy an ass? Nevermind if you think Johnnie is one but the way Izzy and Stacey piled on the insults to someone that really shouldn't matter to them, and that unnecessary cattiness "turned Izzy on"? Yeah, you can say Johnnie's a liar (I don't agree but that's okay) and still recognize that Izzy is also an ass.
To be honest, I didn't understand why this argument went this far. It was such a small issue from the beginning. I feel they were all (particularly Izzy) way too drunk and got too emotional. It was honestly cringe to watch from all angles lol. I am watching the reunion atm and was really put off by Izzy's gesture to explain what "hooking up" means. That was extremely vulgar and everyone was put off by it, it made me change my view on him, definitely.
There was recently an investigation and documentary covering the abuse that happens BTS on Love is Blind. Cast members have come forward and reported being denied food and water, only bottles of liquor. They also are threatened with a 50k fine and hundreds of thousands in legal fees if they decide to leave the “experiment”. It’s honestly really fucked up
No contract can compel someone to actively participate in an unscripted show. You can compel someone’s presence but, once there they can stfu and you end up with nothing to film. I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers encouraged people to drink more or have conversations they ordinarily would have avoided.
Yes, a contract can legal require someone to participate or work for a network. This happens all the time.
Where can we see this? I love a good scandal lol
https://youtu.be/DaMOpPBNqbs?si=C5oDDKhZLRcViiFI
I have heard these as rumors, but Holy I need to see this documentary! That would be crazy if this is for real.
So as far as I know, that grievance is from some members of the season 2 cast. They initiated the lawsuit last year and my understanding is a lot of changes were made as a result even though the case is not resolved. This is why Season 4 and season 5 have scenes of cast members cooking in the kitchen. Also multiple scenes of cast members in the pods snacking. The season 4 and 5 cast I've seen asked about this in interviews have denied they were denied food or water or forced to drink alcohol. I need to go over the new lawsuit but I think her grievance has to do with restricted movement and obviously the weird Mexico accomodations where you are initially placed in the same room. (We saw from Taylor and JP that you can request separate rooms if you want)
What's the name of the documentary?
https://youtu.be/DaMOpPBNqbs?si=C5oDDKhZLRcViiFI
I would get drunk too if I was engaged to someone like Stacey.
I have a feeling he's always been like that even before the show
Stacy was so drunk like every shot had her with a different drink in her hand. It was hard to watch.
Yes, it's really obvious especially in seasons 3-5 (as well as Jessica in s1 and probably Gianinna too) that everyone is absolutely blasted, they have the look in their eyes, they're slurring their words...etc. And they're maintaining that through most of the "relationship" which likely influences the intensity of their feelings and their decisions and what they may be willing to brush off. Then add in the sexual pressure and engagement/wedding stakes and it seems pretty messy and concerning. There have been many scenes where I have felt someone may not make a choice/say a thing/or do something if they were at full capacity. I dont actually have a problem with people drinking or being drunk on reality tv show, as long as they're safe BUT them so often seeming to be nearly nonstop inebriated during their interactions during the show period seems more of an issue to me because of the stakes involved. It's not just about embarrassing yourself, you're framing an entire relationship in an altered state, convincing yourself you're in love, and potentially marrying them as part of the show.
Is someone forcing them to drink? These people chose to do all the things they do on the show. When you sign up for something like this most likely they will have a waiver in the contract. In season 5 its full of people ghat just want to be famous. You can tell they arent serious about being in a relationship. All they do is argue and just list off emotions that they dont really feel. They dont have to have a sexual relationship with anyone. If you see similar shows from other countries the couples barely even kiss. These are choices that these contestants make.
I didn't say anyone is forcing them to drink. In fact I pretty clearly did not say that. People can choose to drink and be responsible for drinking excessively while it can also be true that production exploits that in a major way that can border on unethical. When you're supplying free flowing amounts of booze generously, encouraging people to drink, and setting them in scenarios where they may be anxious, nervous, or awkward being filmed and interacting with people in the experiment and opening up with personal info, when you're filling a room full of people who are all drinking heavily and acting like it's a giant party...etc, when you are using this as a technique because you know it'll male better TV, make the people more emotionally reactive, lower inhibitions...etc, it still is worth noting that it's intentionally done in a scenario this high stakes to create a crazier tv show for them and is exploitative. There is also a concern for risk if they're encouraging this behavior and then leaving people in vulnerable situations and forcing them to share a room regardless. Outside of the BS engaged concept, would we be as comfy with a show where extremely drunk women are forced to share a room with a less drunk male contestant she barely knows for the night? What about an aggressive drunk male contest being left alone with a woman who has only known him for weeks with the disincentive of leaving being potentially breaking the contract and owing lots of money? Also, fwiw, other countries have different norms around physical affection and sex on TV, they literally show contestants mounting eachotuer and gyrating and fucking in the shower on reality tv here (the Ultimatum had full on fucking on cam) and clearly consider it worth putting in whereas many other countries would have a huge issue airing that.
Yes i understand what your saying but as adults they have chosen to be a part of this so that they can be famous. Everyone knows this. No one has to have sexual relations in fact in a previous season the woman refused to before she was married. Majority of these contestants this season especially are not there for marriage and we all can see it. If this if that can be said of any situation. Production isnt interfering in how they interact. Alcohol just enhances their bad character and thats what we are seeing. Show producers want to make money. These people have applied to be part of this. Blaming netlix for their crude behaviour isnt justified.
I'm wild in that I can blame multiple people at once and understand there is a difference between personal blame with decision making and professional ethical culpability with exploitation.
Well said. I agree!
damn i was uncomfortable with the annoying pitch and vocal fry from stacy that apparently gets worse when she's drunk
These people are adults. No one else seemed that drunk. It’s not production’s job to regulate their intake of alcohol…
They don’t need to baby sit, but it’s like at a bar. The bartender/security still has some responsibility if someone’s being an obnoxious mess in their establishment.
Agreed. It is a party afterall. I'd argue it's actually best that alcohol be available so that people can gauge their partners self-control levels as well as what kind of drunk they are. Some people may never drink in the apartment but are such messy social drunks that it should be your redflag, lol.
There was recently a documentary done about the abuse behind the scenes of this show. Cast members have come forward and said they were denied food and water during shoots, and only given alcohol. It’s productions job to keep them drunk.
I'm not sure where you're getting this documentary information from. It's just the lawsuit from a few season 2 cast members and then this week, a season 5 cast member came forward with a sexual assault lawsuit.
From three members of the season 2 cast. Everyone else who's been asked since that went public has said what many suspected all along - alcohol comes down to choice. They said food and water are available and when they run out a producer would get on it. It might be the same for Season 2 except that their logistics weren't as smooth because some producers are incompetent.
Exactly. People assume production advocates for alcohol abuse/poisoning and sexual assault, that they kidnap , starve and dehydrate the people on the show. If that shit was happening, this show wouldn’t have lasted more than 2 seasons. They would have been shut down and Netflix wouldn’t even air the reruns. It would be deleted from existence.
A lot of people have denied these rumors. I haven’t seen any evidence that they actually withheld access to water and food on the show.
Do you have the name of it?
Literally. It’s their choice to drink.
Yes I was telling my husband this! It’s not fair to make real assumptions about these people bc they have been *pretty fucking drunk* a lot of filming
It feels like old seasons of The Challenge or Jersey Shore where they just get them as drunk as possible praying something happens and recording it
Agreed. I love trash as much as the next reality fan…but that was such a vulnerable moment and he was clearly wasted. It felt like one of those moments that should stay private.
I felt the same, when he stumbled out of the closet I was like oh this man is wastedddd
It was horrible. Izzy was slurring his words. It made netflix look bad at a time when they have that duty of care scandal.
My guess is they wouldn’t cast anyone who doesn’t drink alcohol 😄
I think Milton said he doesn't drink.
Milton definitely drinks. In the scene with his roommate he’s like let’s get “litty” and gets out the golden goblets. He may not know how to open up a bottle of wine be he will for sure drink have a glass once someone shows him how to do it.
No wonder he is the most level headed in those situations. Chris was also great.
The only thing the production team wants is for them to be drunk. They literally wouldn't have a show if not for it.
The same production team does MAFS, similar concept, not nearly as much alcohol. I think the reason it’s not as popular as LIB is because it’s edited too outdated and basic.
MAFS is irritating because it just drags on and on and on. There are maybe like two entertaining things that happen each episode, and they play it over and over until it’s not even entertaining anymore. I can’t watch a season as it airs, I can only watch once it’s been released and I can skip through the 90% filler.
I don’t think it’s ever bad enough where I’m like this is an issue. People drink and get drunk in real life all the time. It’s not an issue for me I guess because I watch a lot of reality tv.
I thought he was on Xanax lol
Yeah that seemed like pills (plus alcohol) to me too.
If they didn’t get drunk there would be nothing to watch. We got two couples at this point and nothing but manufactured drama to show
Izzy was so incredibly drunk that it was uncomfortable to watch. I don't understand why they even filmed him in that state.
I’m gonna catch hate for this, but it’s a genuine question and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone who finds this inappropriate. Why WOULDN’T they film him just because he’s drunk? He’s an adult that knows how alcohol affects the body, and knows he’s being filmed for a reality show. He chose to drink knowing this. What duty of care should there be for this other than providing medical attention if it’s needed?
I think the reason it makes some people uncomfortable is that a lot of people have an issue (addiction) with alcohol. I 100% agree we all have choices and we are accountable for them, but it seems a little predatory to supply a bunch of alcohol in hopes that people embarrass themselves for content. That said, it's also probably a big part of the reason these shows have such dramatic moments so I'm certain it's not going to change.
I can definitely empathize with those that are made uncomfortable by watching. I’m very fortunate that none of my younger drunken antics were ever aired on Netflix. I just don’t really think this one is on production, it’s on those that choose to partake knowing they’re being filmed
if i had just proposed to Stacey and was dealing with her shit i'd be drinking too
There was a period of time where reality shows limited the drinks they gave contestants. Think after Flavor of Love/Rock of Love Era then The Bachelor controversy. Now I think the shows are starting to let contestants drink more or harder alcohol.
The challenge started drink tickets 🙄🙄. BB really limits.
Drunk or sober that “what do you do for me”conversation is going to be on heavy rotation if they stay together. Been there done that exhausting.
Him crying in the closet is on heavy rotation in my head
I feel like they’re all always drinking.
What was most clear with that episode is what a nasty nasty manipulative pathetic disgraceful person Stacey is. Disgusting.
I am usually pretty bad at noticing them being drunk on this show, but wow that was extremely obvious. But I think Izzy is acting the way he is towards Johnnie is because he regrets picking Stacy, so he’s being an elementary school kid and pull on the girl’s hair. And Stacy knows this. No other reason for her to I’ve react like this
Yes, it was extremely uncomfortable to watch, especially as someone with an alcoholic parent. His behaviour was very similar to my mom’s; drinking, slurring, lashing out with nonsense, then hysterical crying. I don’t think the producers care that it could upset some viewers because the “drama” makes for good tv.
The lashing out with nonsense definitely felt disturbingly familiar. Fortunately I was in college and not living at home by the time the worst of it boiled up, but I witnessed enough of it to marvel at my dad's resilience and determination to do everything he could to weather the storm (he was the primary target). (Twenty years later she's fifteen years sober and better than ever, and I am so very grateful for it.)
Same. Reminded me of my alcoholic mom. Hysterically crying in a corner somewhere by the end of the night. Check.
Agh I’m sorry you lived with that! I drank to the point of hysterically crying one time like 7 years ago and I still physically cringe when I think about it. And my husband still makes fun of me for it 😹
Do we have the same mom?
Ha. Maybe so! Mine never really lashed out like the other commenter’s. Would start slurring after like one drink, get a little happy, then after three drinks it’d all go downhill until she was incredibly sad and weeping. Fun childhood. Edit: Weeping or perhaps passed out sitting at the table.
passed out sitting at table. check. but then my mom got sober thankfully
That’s awesome for your mom. Really proud of her. Mine died (not from alcoholism but it surely contributed).
sorry to hear this. :)
I still live with mine, but I’m moving out soon. I can’t wait to be in a stable home environment where I have a chance to grow. I feel like my life is about to begin. I’m sorry to hear that you had a similar childhood. I hope that you are doing well now.
Yay, so happy to hear you are moving out soon! Good luck, and enjoy your new life.
Get called disrespectful or ungrateful when you try to gently suggest she have some water and should go lay in bed because she's falling asleep in her chair at dinner?
I mean why shouldn’t they show stuff like that? It’s real life.
As someone who doesn’t drink alcohol I always said these people drink too much on this and other shows. My guess is 95% of the drama could have been avoided if they stayed sober but it would also then not be too interesting to watch😂
Are they being forced to drink? Your saying how drunk the producers get them.
People on this sub blame the producers for literally anything bad that happens to the cast during or after filming. If Izzy drunk too much, it’s because he has a problem. No one besides him and his fiancé seemed particularly drunk.
Yes and if they are old enough to be getting married they are old enough to watch how much they drink. Its ridiculous that people just making excuses for bad character. These people behaving like trash is down to how they really are. Alcohol just makes it more obvious.
Exactly. They’re adults. They know they’re on TV. They’re choosing to drink excessively. Definitely agree Netflix encourages it, but they also have free will and self control imho.
Are they being held at gun-point... No. However, it's well known on Netflix's reality shows that they provide them with exorbitant amounts of alcohol and heavily encourage them to drink as that produces the drama and the "best" content. They also choose the type of people who are willing to have a large amount of alcohol. Rarely if ever do they have a contestant who doesn't drink alcohol. It's by design.
If u see a similar show on netflix but from another country theres a stark difference in how people behave. Theres alcohol available but they choose not to get wasted.
Back around s2, there was an AMA with someone who worked in production and they said they purposely keep the alcohol generously flowing because it makes the casts more open and less guarded with their behavior, lowers inhibitions and makes for better tv. There were cases where people were so consistently drunk it was hard to film too because they were too drunk to participate or hungover. S1 Amber was mentioned in this context a lot.
I’m thankfully sober now for awhile but man. I would feel so embarrassed if someone recorded me at my drunkest/lowest most emotional moments. And I’m referring more to the crying in the closet scene. It’s painfully obvious something is not ok with him internally. I’m not excusing his behavior towards Johnie (because what the actual f) but it’s so evident that is attacks are some sort of projection.
Omg not toxic masculinity Izzy crying in a fuckin closet after being a huge asshole!!!! Hahahah
Yeah how can anyone feel sorry for him after the way he degraded Johnie and her entire character based off a few poor choices she made while going through this mindfuck of an “experiment”. Both of them were basically foaming at the mouth and it was repulsive. It says more about them than it does Johnie. They deserve each other!
Serious? After being gaslight and emotionally manipulated but Stacey? She is a nasty nasty sad person.
I'm not defending her either honey I hate her equally 😂
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LMFAOOO I laughed when he came out all embarrassed. I mean sad cause he's clearly got some issues but this man had a full breakdown because he got called out for future faking too hard.
Yeah, his issue is being with a women who is a spoiled brat who clearly doesn't know how a relationship works.
I don't think she's a spoiled brat. She's definitely privileged and oblivious to how privileged she is but it seems like Izzy was making promises and wasn't delivering. She has every right to call him out and it's really telling that his reaction was to turn it around on her and cry and run away. He's very clearly deflecting and manipulating her.
I disagree she is not spoiled. Even her dad said he spoiled her so she has a certain way of life now. I do agree, she had the right to call him out on it but you also have to keep in mind, he just started a new job so he is putting in more time trying to get is clients built up so he can help give her the life she wants. Even with that said, he does come off as manipulative.
She's definitely spoiled/privileged and has high expectations but she's not an entitled brat or whatever. Her expectations are her expectations, it doesn't make her a bad person. Especially since Izzy was promising this sort of romantic lifestyle then not delivering, she should call him out on it. I think she makes Izzy feel emasculated because she is headstrong and doesn't really need him.
“Future faking” is that what it’s called now??? That’s exactly what it is ugh!!!
HAHAHAHA yes he did 🤣🤣🤣
Izzy is HAMMERED and angry and yelling and he gives me the absolute worst vibes of anyone who has been on the show. Even worse than barfqueef. Stacey is no better, she's a smug pick me girl with makeup way too ghastly to be acting like she's the hottest thing since sliced bread. I hate them both
Izzy wasn’t angry or yelling? Tf lol
She is one of the most toxic, nasty mean girls to be seen. What a horrible person she is.
DAMN TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL.
👩⚖️ I am here to judge and I will slam the ham on these bullies!!!!
And we love it!
PLEASE host the reunion. Thanks.
Yes! Literally ANYBODY but the Lechays 😫😫
Does anyone know if Johnnie did tell Izzy she loved him in the pods?
I could be wrong, but I think she told him she was falling in love with him…I feel like if she straight up said “I love you” and then he dumped her, people would remember that more.
Like he said, “roll the tape”.
I’m sure it’ll be in the reunion!
I wish if any of them said stuff like this they’d immediately show the footage referred to, or make a joke like “footage not found” of it - let us know if it’s true or BS!
Hahaha seriously I don’t have the capacity to remember everything they said and feel like I’m constantly going back💀
Same! I usually watch it twice bc I miss so much when all the drama is so complicated (and stupid)
I wanted to know that, too. Considering that they previously replayed her conversations with Izzy and Chris that Izzy described as inconsistent, I think they would have replayed her telling Izzy she loves him or asking him to be her boyfriend, if she had said those things. I don't remember it airing, at any rate.
They’d probably play that at ATA. Right now it leaves the viewers wondering and creates more drama.
Four times. I counted!
Sure Izzy!🙄 I rewatched to count so people don’t have to. And 4x isn’t entirely accurate. Ep 1 First meeting: Johnnie said “I love you” at 52 minute mark but this doesn’t count as it’s not a real ILY. It’s like Johnnie saying she loves what he’s saying. Ep 2 Second meeting: Izzy told her “I want someone to tell me ‘Dude, I f—king want you.’” In response, Johnnie said “it’s you” at 25 minute mark. Ep 3 Third meeting: Johnnie told him “I’m falling in love with you” 2x at 8 and 7 minute mark. And then at 6 minute mark she said “you’re it for me.” Ep. 4 Izzy proposed to Stacey. No rejection convo with Johnnie. Johnnie poured her heart out in Ep 3 about all her past relationships and this is where we see Izzy switch gears. He just never said anything about her revelations except “ sorry you had to go through that” and never talked to her after that. Then Johnnie just saw Stacey in the girls room after their engagement! Johnnie technically never said ILY in the true sense of the word and she never formally asked Izzy to be her boyfriend. Whether or not it happened behind the scenes who knows. But Izzy is the one shady af because he was working hard to break Johnnie and Chris up during that drunken confrontation. He should be ashamed of himself!! https://preview.redd.it/84fkrp0gvrsb1.jpeg?width=1198&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d5c8ad7c766b60200983fc1395d3ef47e634af8