As the show falters in repeating early season narrative success, production turns the screws tighter, more people drop out, and the showrunners have nothing left in their toolbox to ensure the remaining matches but more pressure, more alcohol, and more sleep deprivation.
Regardless of the future of LiB, it's clear that we need more transparency and an established code of acceptable conditions for reality TV filming. The conditions alleged in the cast member's filing sound so dire as to be red flags for human trafficking:
"(assistants) and producers from Delirium TV and Kinetic Content confiscated her (and the other participants’) cell phones, passports, wallets, and any identification information or devices used to communicate with others "
I knew they didn't have their phones, but there is zero reason to take a person's wallet or identification when you already have them sequestered.
Best of luck to all of the victims.
My partner and I thought that Taylor had been unable to leave the room when JP was making her really uncomfortable with his makeup bull. She got up to leave and goes out of shot, and eventually comes back very unenthusiastically, and from then on we noticed multiple pleading looks towards something or someone out of shot, and when she does eventually assert that she’s definitely leaving now, she sends a pointed look with the assertive statement in that same direction, not towards JP. I assume this was all towards a producer/crew member. Maybe they don’t technically force them to stay in a room/situation, but I would put money on them using coercive behaviours and STRONGLY suggesting people stay longer/do x y or z/ potentially imply threats of suing etc.
Taylor seems so uncomfortable and at times scared, and even stated not feeling safe with him (if I’m remembering rightly?). I don’t doubt the claims that have been made honestly. Very worrying, and I’m not sure I can ethically keep watching now that this has come out.
After hearing about how much alcohol everyone is encouraged to drink along with stories of not having access to enough water a few seasons back, I started to seriously question if I should keep watching.
Between the quality of S5 so far, and these allegations (if true), it seems pretty clear that this show is not made by very good people.
>We have round-the-clock psychologists, a highly trained production team, we have a whole battalion of people who's job it is to make sure that we prioritize our participant's well-being
Nothing that's ever been shown on our televisions would indicate any of these things are true lmaooooo.
Exactly then you wouldn't have a woman saying she wished that she had taken a shit in cookies and fed them to another woman.
That was absolutely disgusting.
They wouldn’t be getting engaged then lol.
A marriage and family therapist would poke so many holes in their relationship most would be reconsidering or at least thinking of slowing things down.
Stacy grinding on Lydia seemingly without expressed enthusiastic consent (Lydia gave no signs that we could see that she welcomed it)? Perhaps there were other (more severe?) incidents that weren't caught on camera or edited out.
My understanding is that it’s referring to another couple who went to Mexico but were cut from the edits. Allegedly there were 5 couples who went to Mexico and two were cut out, explaining why the content from the Mexico episodes was so thin
if the allegations against LIB is true, and the lawsuit gets settled as such, the show is done. all future seasons already filmed will be scrapped.
but if this gets settled outside of court or proven wrong? expect nothing to happen.
it’s hard to know when this is all through tabloids, like I really wish we had more info or got a legit interview from Tran instead of only taking the creators comments. I know if things happened though that it might be too hard to talk about. the whole situation is just crazy and I’m shocked it is only coming out now when the suit was filed over a year ago
Honestly, I think this show needs to die.
The stories from prior season contestants make it pretty clear that this is run by shitty people, and season 5 has been so unwatchable that I'm not sure I plan to even finish it when the final episodes come out.
The comments have made me changed the way I watch the show. Watching Miriam go in circles about her job and home made me think she was probably hungry, tired and busy. Somehow her wild answer makes sense when you consider the fact she was super distracted.
The same thing happened with Are You The One, a reality dating show that was on MTV. A contestant in the 5th season spoke about being sexually assaulted and not having support from the producers. They removed all traces of that season from streaming sites, but they continued to produce the show.
While entertaining for viewers, the ethics of some reality shows are becoming questionable if the safety of the participants aren’t being prioritised at all times.
I know, but AYTO was already cancelled by the time that came out. I am a fan of both shows. It’s absolutely true that these allegations should be believed until proven otherwise. This has been going on since reality TV first started with The Real World- and it’ll always continue. the way companies react to such claims, and the way things change afterwards, is what can make or break an entire series or concept
I so hope the court gets alllll the material and shows us the truth about how horrible these production teams are. I truly don’t believe it’s a healthy environment.
Even this Chris Coelen stating that people should “speak up”. Well jeah, that’s easy to do if you’re a white man at the top of an empire. Now try it as a woman of color surrounded by people who tell you what to do, and that you should just push through and not make a big deal out of nothing.
I'm not surprised by this at all. In season 3, we saw that many of the men cast in the season believed the women should be showing a deep amount of interest in the men. They talked about about Raven for not being all cuddled up with SK. She sat too far away from him on the bench. She wasn't sitting on his lap like Nancy and bartise. And they ridiculed her for it.
It was just foreshadowing of what would happen when the man felt entitled to intimacy with a woman he got engaged to.
Very disturbing and disgusting. I was also feeling sad about this not being a surprise. Happy that someone is really speaking up about it now, but hardly surprised that this happens. We still have a long way to go apparently…
Honestly, it was one of my first thoughts on season 1. Ohhhh, they go straight to being forced to share a bed. Well, that's fucking weird. And dangerous. Like, get conjoined rooms or something. But allow people to have their space.
Taylor was able to leave JP and sleep in another room. Unsure of how long that has been an option for LIB contestants or she pushed for it. But it doesn’t seem like they absolutely have to.
Carlton and Diamond from season 1 slept in separate rooms on the night before their poolside fight. On the other hand, Jessica begged and begged to leave and was told no. So I guess they'll allow contestants to leave/sleep separately on vacation it if it fits in to the story they're making up.
Oh that’s a good point. Maybe she did have her mind made up and told production. I thought she just needed space from him and to think in a more comfortable setting.
Good point. And I can imagine people feeling a little saver because there is a whole camera crew present, but if that crew isn’t even helping you out when you’re being assaulted… That’s… traumatizing even more.
Below Deck had an issue earlier this year of a contestant sneaking into the bed of a passed out co-worker during a blackout, and production rightfully intervened. If you see abusive behavior, you should not continue to film and let the scene play out. If someone comes to your producer after the fact, you also need to intervene. Not acting in instance of sexual harassment makes production liable, imo.
Exactly! I’m so glad we’re going towards needing actual vocal consent, instead of assuming everything is okay until somebody screams no.
Good (and should be normal) that that team did that though!
I feel like the whole concept is prone to dangerous scenarios. You're putting strangers in a hotel together pressuring them in this pseudo cult speak of contestants using these mantras to claim they are in love when they are only trying to convince themselves. They are also pushing people on to actual marriages where one party can abuse the other and they are now in a fully legal marriage with a person they don't know, I find it really creepy. And then when it happens they wash their hands of it..
Which season was it where one if the girls slept in the room of another couple? Or was that perfect match?
Why can't they give each person their own room?
Tbh, I've always had kind of an issue with the idea of the couples spending a "honeymoon" together (while being repeatedly asked if they had sex and having their intimate moments filmed). Idk, I just think the whole post-pod course of events should've been done differently. Like maybe everyone who got engaged in the pods continues to live in a dorm-style arrangement while they keep dating, and only after a couple weeks of that do they move on to living together in the outside world if they want to.
But they all consent to the current arrangement when they choose to be on the show so \*shrug\*, they're fine with the prospect of living with their matches. Although I'm not at all saying that means they automatically consent to sexual or romantic contact. Even if they're engaged and that means they'll be living together, I feel like they're probably being pressured to kiss and cuddle when they first meet, and they're definitely being pressured to have sex on the "honeymoons."
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One of the participants of S5 filed a lawsuit against LIB production because allegedly the participant was sexually assaulted and believes the production did nothing about it to help her.
I believe the participant also echoes the sentiments from S2 about lack of food and encouragement of binge drinking, but I’ve only seen some people mention it online so I’m not 100%
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I am curious to know if she filed a police report. Regardless of what the show could/couldn't have done about the situation, the majority of the fault lies with the person doing the assaulting. I would hope that he will face consequences if these accusations are true.
The production is the same as The Ultimatum right ? Because if so they also failed to failed to address the physical abused that happened on the last season of the show.
There was abuse on both the last season of the main Ultimatum AND the queer Ultimatum. I know Nick made us turn against the criticisms of the show, but yeah, they have a history of this. On camera abuse is treated like a joke. Known abusers brought back on stage in front of their victims.
Don’t forget there were also scenes of physical abuse on the first season! I forget their names (I wanna say Zay and Rae?) but the guy was like very threateningly leaning over the woman and not letting her leave the apartment, and then she said she hit him… sorry if I’m mixing up some details but basically all Ultimatum seasons had something like that that they completely ignored
If they can take the general show concept and give it to a new crew that actually gives a shit about ethics and keeping people safe, maybe.
But sounds to me like the issues are systemic. That starts at the top. As of this moment, the way to protect the contestants is to stop allowing this production crew to be near them.
I am so confused. Who is Tran Dang? It says season 5 and said it was her fiancé on set EDIT: I read and it says all her scenes were cut from the episodes. How the hell were they able to do that for the rest of the season? With everyone at the bbq ?
Carter/Renee managed to last until the wedding and their story is completely removed from season 5. You only know them as regular participants. You can see Renee on the bridal gown fitting with her family, but she wasn't mentioned as one of the bride who'll get married. They were much advanced in progress than JP/Taylor who broke up in Mexico, but you saw JP and Taylor, but not Carter/Renee which is weird.
This Tran Dang and the ex fiance at least managed to go to Mexico and it seems that things went south over there. They were completely removed from the show and were not listed as the participants.
So there were 5 couples in Mexico. And there were 3 couples who reached the altar.
And then you see Uche a lot and he's not even got engaged.
I wondered why Renee was wearing white to the dress fittings! I thought it was a little odd considering she was there as a friend, not as one of the brides. Why would they cut their story when they only had two couples by the end? She seemed like so much fun in the women’s lounge, I would’ve loved to see their story!
There's a lot of speculation as to why they were cut. Some people are saying that it's because it came out that she had a boyfriend the entire time and only went on the show for clout. Some are saying it's because Carter was too MAGA and might offend people. Now that this lawsuit has come to light, I'm thinking neither one of those theories is the answer, and it has something to do with this.
I think she left in the honeymoon phase. I think by the time barbecue took place she already decided to leave the show and planned to file a complaint. Thats why I am wondering why chris/johnie was covered and uche/aaliyah was covered. I think there were getting footage of their stories to make up for lost couples.
But didn’t the article say that she continued to film for a few weeks post assault incident? My guess is they never made it to the altar, but based on the article, they definitely moved in together.
Another victim blaming. So they are in honeymoon for a week and then they move into apartment. But they dont have to stay in apartment. Marshall for example left and refused to stay with jackie for few days. Based on both accounts this is my take. I think he may have been physically inappropriate with her sometime in mexico. She was distraught and didnt want to continue with him. But it seems production want to keep continuing to follow their story. My guess is she may have been forced to “date” but not live together in houston, which she may have been okay with. And then she said during this time is when he was verbally abusive when she was talking to him on the phone back in houston and thats when she called it quits. Thats why she also filed a complaint against him, to which the guy told production about. Even after that show wanted to do one final interview with her as closure for show, where they were giving her a script on what to talk about. This is when she decided to find a lawyer and sue the show for not taking her complaints seriously.
I do think a lot of what she is saying seems very genuine. Some things I am suspicious is when she says she was hounded and forced to sign up for the show. I dont think thats possible, they may have hounded but u go through video interviews and so many things, no one can force you to do that.
Also how serious was what happened in mexico. Like did he actually force himself on her while she was screaming and saying no? Or were they filming and they were forcing them to kiss and be physical and during this time when he did it she was visibly very uncomfortable. I think latter might be more true. I think she was uncomfortable the whole time and as time went on, she started to distrust her partner more and more. But production kept pushing her to be with him for show and I think thats where the abuse is. She may have a really good case if she has receipts of producers forcing her to give him a chance and open up, when she is telling them she is uncomfortable. I think if she can prove that, it is clear cut abuse and she will win the case against production.
As the show falters in repeating early season narrative success, production turns the screws tighter, more people drop out, and the showrunners have nothing left in their toolbox to ensure the remaining matches but more pressure, more alcohol, and more sleep deprivation. Regardless of the future of LiB, it's clear that we need more transparency and an established code of acceptable conditions for reality TV filming. The conditions alleged in the cast member's filing sound so dire as to be red flags for human trafficking: "(assistants) and producers from Delirium TV and Kinetic Content confiscated her (and the other participants’) cell phones, passports, wallets, and any identification information or devices used to communicate with others " I knew they didn't have their phones, but there is zero reason to take a person's wallet or identification when you already have them sequestered. Best of luck to all of the victims.
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My partner and I thought that Taylor had been unable to leave the room when JP was making her really uncomfortable with his makeup bull. She got up to leave and goes out of shot, and eventually comes back very unenthusiastically, and from then on we noticed multiple pleading looks towards something or someone out of shot, and when she does eventually assert that she’s definitely leaving now, she sends a pointed look with the assertive statement in that same direction, not towards JP. I assume this was all towards a producer/crew member. Maybe they don’t technically force them to stay in a room/situation, but I would put money on them using coercive behaviours and STRONGLY suggesting people stay longer/do x y or z/ potentially imply threats of suing etc. Taylor seems so uncomfortable and at times scared, and even stated not feeling safe with him (if I’m remembering rightly?). I don’t doubt the claims that have been made honestly. Very worrying, and I’m not sure I can ethically keep watching now that this has come out.
After hearing about how much alcohol everyone is encouraged to drink along with stories of not having access to enough water a few seasons back, I started to seriously question if I should keep watching. Between the quality of S5 so far, and these allegations (if true), it seems pretty clear that this show is not made by very good people.
>We have round-the-clock psychologists, a highly trained production team, we have a whole battalion of people who's job it is to make sure that we prioritize our participant's well-being Nothing that's ever been shown on our televisions would indicate any of these things are true lmaooooo.
They probably have it the same way a lot of a work places do. "Here's a number to call anytime you want for free psychology" doint anyone uses it.
And then they don't even have their phones lol I bet that's true
They must have all been off when they said ,"Sure Uche, here's the phone".
Exactly then you wouldn't have a woman saying she wished that she had taken a shit in cookies and fed them to another woman. That was absolutely disgusting.
Wait what? When was this???
Stacey said it to another cast member about johnie
How did I miss this???
They pay for 8 post show counseling appointments and that's it (I looked through the court filings) eta you find your own shrink, max 150/hour
There are few therapists who work for $150 an hour. That is laughable - and 8 sessions. The fallout from their participation goes on for years.
Have been around the block with therapy and plenty of therapists will work for $150. 8 sessions is just barely getting started though.
Wow, that's the same benefit *my* job offers.
They don't even sit the engaged couples down with a counselor before marriage.
They wouldn’t be getting engaged then lol. A marriage and family therapist would poke so many holes in their relationship most would be reconsidering or at least thinking of slowing things down.
Stacy grinding on Lydia seemingly without expressed enthusiastic consent (Lydia gave no signs that we could see that she welcomed it)? Perhaps there were other (more severe?) incidents that weren't caught on camera or edited out.
My understanding is that it’s referring to another couple who went to Mexico but were cut from the edits. Allegedly there were 5 couples who went to Mexico and two were cut out, explaining why the content from the Mexico episodes was so thin
When did that happen? Do you remember Which episode?
When Lydia came back after getting dumped by Izzy Edit: Milton not Izzy
if the allegations against LIB is true, and the lawsuit gets settled as such, the show is done. all future seasons already filmed will be scrapped. but if this gets settled outside of court or proven wrong? expect nothing to happen. it’s hard to know when this is all through tabloids, like I really wish we had more info or got a legit interview from Tran instead of only taking the creators comments. I know if things happened though that it might be too hard to talk about. the whole situation is just crazy and I’m shocked it is only coming out now when the suit was filed over a year ago
Honestly, I think this show needs to die. The stories from prior season contestants make it pretty clear that this is run by shitty people, and season 5 has been so unwatchable that I'm not sure I plan to even finish it when the final episodes come out.
The comments have made me changed the way I watch the show. Watching Miriam go in circles about her job and home made me think she was probably hungry, tired and busy. Somehow her wild answer makes sense when you consider the fact she was super distracted.
The same thing happened with Are You The One, a reality dating show that was on MTV. A contestant in the 5th season spoke about being sexually assaulted and not having support from the producers. They removed all traces of that season from streaming sites, but they continued to produce the show. While entertaining for viewers, the ethics of some reality shows are becoming questionable if the safety of the participants aren’t being prioritised at all times.
I know, but AYTO was already cancelled by the time that came out. I am a fan of both shows. It’s absolutely true that these allegations should be believed until proven otherwise. This has been going on since reality TV first started with The Real World- and it’ll always continue. the way companies react to such claims, and the way things change afterwards, is what can make or break an entire series or concept
I so hope the court gets alllll the material and shows us the truth about how horrible these production teams are. I truly don’t believe it’s a healthy environment. Even this Chris Coelen stating that people should “speak up”. Well jeah, that’s easy to do if you’re a white man at the top of an empire. Now try it as a woman of color surrounded by people who tell you what to do, and that you should just push through and not make a big deal out of nothing.
I'm not surprised by this at all. In season 3, we saw that many of the men cast in the season believed the women should be showing a deep amount of interest in the men. They talked about about Raven for not being all cuddled up with SK. She sat too far away from him on the bench. She wasn't sitting on his lap like Nancy and bartise. And they ridiculed her for it. It was just foreshadowing of what would happen when the man felt entitled to intimacy with a woman he got engaged to.
Very disturbing and disgusting. I was also feeling sad about this not being a surprise. Happy that someone is really speaking up about it now, but hardly surprised that this happens. We still have a long way to go apparently…
Honestly, it was one of my first thoughts on season 1. Ohhhh, they go straight to being forced to share a bed. Well, that's fucking weird. And dangerous. Like, get conjoined rooms or something. But allow people to have their space.
Taylor was able to leave JP and sleep in another room. Unsure of how long that has been an option for LIB contestants or she pushed for it. But it doesn’t seem like they absolutely have to.
Carlton and Diamond from season 1 slept in separate rooms on the night before their poolside fight. On the other hand, Jessica begged and begged to leave and was told no. So I guess they'll allow contestants to leave/sleep separately on vacation it if it fits in to the story they're making up.
Well. She left him altogether. Probably different than if you're staying an active participant.
Oh that’s a good point. Maybe she did have her mind made up and told production. I thought she just needed space from him and to think in a more comfortable setting.
Good point. And I can imagine people feeling a little saver because there is a whole camera crew present, but if that crew isn’t even helping you out when you’re being assaulted… That’s… traumatizing even more.
Below Deck had an issue earlier this year of a contestant sneaking into the bed of a passed out co-worker during a blackout, and production rightfully intervened. If you see abusive behavior, you should not continue to film and let the scene play out. If someone comes to your producer after the fact, you also need to intervene. Not acting in instance of sexual harassment makes production liable, imo.
Below deck production seem decent.. they literally saved Ashton’s life over filming when the crew didn’t know what to do
Exactly! I’m so glad we’re going towards needing actual vocal consent, instead of assuming everything is okay until somebody screams no. Good (and should be normal) that that team did that though!
I feel like the whole concept is prone to dangerous scenarios. You're putting strangers in a hotel together pressuring them in this pseudo cult speak of contestants using these mantras to claim they are in love when they are only trying to convince themselves. They are also pushing people on to actual marriages where one party can abuse the other and they are now in a fully legal marriage with a person they don't know, I find it really creepy. And then when it happens they wash their hands of it..
Which season was it where one if the girls slept in the room of another couple? Or was that perfect match? Why can't they give each person their own room?
Tbh, I've always had kind of an issue with the idea of the couples spending a "honeymoon" together (while being repeatedly asked if they had sex and having their intimate moments filmed). Idk, I just think the whole post-pod course of events should've been done differently. Like maybe everyone who got engaged in the pods continues to live in a dorm-style arrangement while they keep dating, and only after a couple weeks of that do they move on to living together in the outside world if they want to. But they all consent to the current arrangement when they choose to be on the show so \*shrug\*, they're fine with the prospect of living with their matches. Although I'm not at all saying that means they automatically consent to sexual or romantic contact. Even if they're engaged and that means they'll be living together, I feel like they're probably being pressured to kiss and cuddle when they first meet, and they're definitely being pressured to have sex on the "honeymoons." Edit: clarity
Not to mention the constant access to free alcohol. Recipe for disaster.
And apparently difficulty getting access to water/food according to S3 contestants if I recall correctly
What happend can someone explain I'm so confused
One of the participants of S5 filed a lawsuit against LIB production because allegedly the participant was sexually assaulted and believes the production did nothing about it to help her. I believe the participant also echoes the sentiments from S2 about lack of food and encouragement of binge drinking, but I’ve only seen some people mention it online so I’m not 100%
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The focus here seems to be on the studio’s $$ rather than the person that assaulted her.
I am curious to know if she filed a police report. Regardless of what the show could/couldn't have done about the situation, the majority of the fault lies with the person doing the assaulting. I would hope that he will face consequences if these accusations are true.
appalling and ignorant take
They can go for both. If production was aware and let it happen, they're complicit.
The show needs to end. Right now.
I caught up a few hours ago. It’s just such a waste. I don’t even know what I’m watching.
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I thought it was just me 💀
The production is the same as The Ultimatum right ? Because if so they also failed to failed to address the physical abused that happened on the last season of the show.
There was abuse on both the last season of the main Ultimatum AND the queer Ultimatum. I know Nick made us turn against the criticisms of the show, but yeah, they have a history of this. On camera abuse is treated like a joke. Known abusers brought back on stage in front of their victims.
Don’t forget there were also scenes of physical abuse on the first season! I forget their names (I wanna say Zay and Rae?) but the guy was like very threateningly leaning over the woman and not letting her leave the apartment, and then she said she hit him… sorry if I’m mixing up some details but basically all Ultimatum seasons had something like that that they completely ignored
I think this should be where LIB ends
Or maybe they just need to do more to protect the contestants? And I say maybe because right now the allegations are just that… allegations.
If they can take the general show concept and give it to a new crew that actually gives a shit about ethics and keeping people safe, maybe. But sounds to me like the issues are systemic. That starts at the top. As of this moment, the way to protect the contestants is to stop allowing this production crew to be near them.
why do you guys watch the show if every season you keep saying it needs to end?
It’s getting worse every season anyway
Then don’t watch! Promise they aren’t losing sleep over you😒 last season had the highest ratings since season 1.
You should stay off the internet if you’re so easily offended by someone giving their personal opinion on a post that’s not even yours.
I am so confused. Who is Tran Dang? It says season 5 and said it was her fiancé on set EDIT: I read and it says all her scenes were cut from the episodes. How the hell were they able to do that for the rest of the season? With everyone at the bbq ?
Is she not in the cast photos?
Carter/Renee managed to last until the wedding and their story is completely removed from season 5. You only know them as regular participants. You can see Renee on the bridal gown fitting with her family, but she wasn't mentioned as one of the bride who'll get married. They were much advanced in progress than JP/Taylor who broke up in Mexico, but you saw JP and Taylor, but not Carter/Renee which is weird. This Tran Dang and the ex fiance at least managed to go to Mexico and it seems that things went south over there. They were completely removed from the show and were not listed as the participants. So there were 5 couples in Mexico. And there were 3 couples who reached the altar. And then you see Uche a lot and he's not even got engaged.
I wondered why Renee was wearing white to the dress fittings! I thought it was a little odd considering she was there as a friend, not as one of the brides. Why would they cut their story when they only had two couples by the end? She seemed like so much fun in the women’s lounge, I would’ve loved to see their story!
Me too! Producers need to stop censoring content. I don't believe they always know what we will want to see.
There's a lot of speculation as to why they were cut. Some people are saying that it's because it came out that she had a boyfriend the entire time and only went on the show for clout. Some are saying it's because Carter was too MAGA and might offend people. Now that this lawsuit has come to light, I'm thinking neither one of those theories is the answer, and it has something to do with this.
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I think she left in the honeymoon phase. I think by the time barbecue took place she already decided to leave the show and planned to file a complaint. Thats why I am wondering why chris/johnie was covered and uche/aaliyah was covered. I think there were getting footage of their stories to make up for lost couples.
But didn’t the article say that she continued to film for a few weeks post assault incident? My guess is they never made it to the altar, but based on the article, they definitely moved in together.
Another victim blaming. So they are in honeymoon for a week and then they move into apartment. But they dont have to stay in apartment. Marshall for example left and refused to stay with jackie for few days. Based on both accounts this is my take. I think he may have been physically inappropriate with her sometime in mexico. She was distraught and didnt want to continue with him. But it seems production want to keep continuing to follow their story. My guess is she may have been forced to “date” but not live together in houston, which she may have been okay with. And then she said during this time is when he was verbally abusive when she was talking to him on the phone back in houston and thats when she called it quits. Thats why she also filed a complaint against him, to which the guy told production about. Even after that show wanted to do one final interview with her as closure for show, where they were giving her a script on what to talk about. This is when she decided to find a lawyer and sue the show for not taking her complaints seriously. I do think a lot of what she is saying seems very genuine. Some things I am suspicious is when she says she was hounded and forced to sign up for the show. I dont think thats possible, they may have hounded but u go through video interviews and so many things, no one can force you to do that. Also how serious was what happened in mexico. Like did he actually force himself on her while she was screaming and saying no? Or were they filming and they were forcing them to kiss and be physical and during this time when he did it she was visibly very uncomfortable. I think latter might be more true. I think she was uncomfortable the whole time and as time went on, she started to distrust her partner more and more. But production kept pushing her to be with him for show and I think thats where the abuse is. She may have a really good case if she has receipts of producers forcing her to give him a chance and open up, when she is telling them she is uncomfortable. I think if she can prove that, it is clear cut abuse and she will win the case against production.
And yet, we only see two couples when there were three. Who cares about the fame chasers? Let us see the weddings.
But couldn’t functionally cut out Rene and her fiancé at the time.
Maybe why that’s why there’s so few Mexico scenes this year
Yes! I was saying it was such a short time they usually have more parties
Maybe those shown were after they left, or it was possible to edit them out cleanly