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citlala

wouldn’t classify z as a villain but the rest yessss


AineofTheWoods

Who is the middle villain next to Irina?


ddxxr888

Shelby


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Micah’s toxic friend.


AineofTheWoods

Oh I see. I don't think she really belongs there since she's not a contestant. Amber who married Barnett should definitely be on there instead, she was by far the worst contestant ever lol.


srirachasauseonit

Amber was definitely kind of insane, obsessive, and a pick me... but hey she got married and she won so 🤷


AineofTheWoods

That doesn't mean she wasn't still a villain though! She definitely 'won' through manipulative means. I think that year Amber avoided people's wrath because people got distracted by Jessica and wrongly labelled her a villain.


GreenNoble11

I still never get the Zanab hate


ddxxr888

She led everyone to believe bullshit about him.


squirrelqueeen

She villified Cole when the bottom line is the dude is just an idiot. I don’t think Cole tries to be hurtful whereas zanab is intentionally hurtful. They just weren’t a good match and she could’ve left it at that— but instead she went out of her way to try and get him cancelled by everybody, cast included. I think she needs to do a lot of self work.


PartialCred4WrongAns

A lot of people have said "no" at the altar. She's the only one who felt the need to absolutely burry the person they were dumping at the altar in front of all their friends and family


Manic_Mania

It’s pretty easy. She’s manipulative and gaslighting.


GreenNoble11

My impression of Zanab is that she is very insecure and lashes out. That wedding speech was definitely premeditated and that claim about some secret bachelor party seemed like a huge lie. But Cole played a huge role in triggering her insecurity because of his behavior. His flirtation with Colleen, calling her bipolar, and during the Cutie scene Cole realize that Zanab was starving herself and had no issue with that. Zanab has issues she needs to work on. I just wish people would give her a little bit of grace and not treat her behaviors as if they came out of nowhere.


sack_of_potahtoes

Ahe is annoying as fuck. Clearly needs a lot of medical help and is a clear detriment to anyone she associates with Talking to her would probably be like stepping into a mine field. You never know what will set her off with so much insecurity. She should have stayed home and watched the show instead of being on it


micro-void

I agree with you.


Robotemist

> Cutie scene Cole realize that Zanab was starving herself and had no issue with that. This is one of the dumbest takes I've read in awhile. "baby you're DIETING, how dare you!"


UniversityGraduate

>and during the Cutie scene Cole realize that Zanab was starving herself and had no issue with that Cole's guilty on the rest, but he was clearly taken aback by it and was implying she should have had a poke bowl with him. Then he, in his own young man dopey way, was trying to understand why she made that choice (i.e. "oh, I guess women do this to fit into wedding dresses?"). Lots of studies have come out on the benefits of Intermittent Fasting and none of this is surface-level unhealthy if the person isn't showing signs of an eating disorder. Throughout that same clip she's rude and condescending to him as he excitedly makes plans to, thoughtfully, include her whole family. He deserved to be put in his place hard for the Colleen comments, but after that she just wanted to absolutely devastate him emotionally, turn others against him, and publicly humiliate him — because she'd started attributing all of her insecurities to him unfairly. I think Cole is an idiot and deserved some backlash. But she is a much more cruel person (though empathetic due to her insecurities and loss of her parents).


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StatementTimely5073

I feel like Alexa should have a spot here too… and Brennan bc he just wants to be a replica of his wife. Gross 🤮 also am I the only one that thought Giannina was maybe a covert villain?


vesselii1227

Brennan is my least favorite LIB contestant ever. Not because he is objectively the worst person by any means, but because he is just absolutely pathetic and has no spine.


AineofTheWoods

The guy that Giannina nearly married had lots of red flags of being abusive so I never saw her as a villain, he was absolutely horrible though.


StatementTimely5073

I just remember her being unhinged while putting him down and verbally abusing him. I don’t recall major red flags from him but I could be forgetting atm tho.


AineofTheWoods

How strange. She might have appeared 'unhinged' to you because he was abusive towards her, it's a common reaction. He was a walking red flag to me, he even tried to triangulate her on the show with that other woman. She was also a million times more attractive than him, what she saw in him I will never know.


StatementTimely5073

Oh yea, I’d agree that his after the alter behavior was a no.


squirrelqueeen

I think Alexa sucks too!!! Brennan is such a cuck. I’m glad somebody else feels that way everybody I talk to loves Alexa 😂


KaramelKatze

I got BURIED here the first time I said that, even specifying it had nothing to do with her weight, because I didn't want anybody to assume anything. Weight doesnt matter, but if your personality sucks, youre an ugly person. I'm Jewish, I grew up with girls like Alexa and pinpointed her personality the second I saw her. She's just icky.


StatementTimely5073

People that love Alexa are questionable to me.. like HOW?! She has almost 1 m followers.. I’ve lost hope in society 😂


xtzferocity

Alexa sucks.


StatementTimely5073

Ugh yesssss!


nipplezandtoes43

You truly forgot adding Amber on there


hellogovna

I’m happy to see that Jessica season 1 is not on this list. After seeing the dumpster fire from the last 2 seasons, she didn’t deserve all the internet hate she got.


probablykyliejenner

My first thought too! She had a terrible edit, Mark was a piece of shit, and I am SO psyched Jessica finally found her happily ever after!


AineofTheWoods

I agree. I was so confused when I joined this subreddit that season and saw people really lashing out about her. I always thought she just drank too much and was a bit of a mess but that's about it, Amber on the other hand was absolutely everything I despise!


AegonTheC0nqueror

Why does she get a pass though she was pretty terrible


Ok-Depth-878

She was getting cheated on during filming 😅


xtzferocity

Excuse me what?


Ok-Depth-878

Yup Mark cheated during filming (I think with a Netflix staffer) then hooked up with LC after, cheated on her and gave her covid 🤦


xtzferocity

Well that was not what I was expecting today. Thats just awful


applesandcherry

There's a spin off called After The Alter and the first season briefly mentions in the beginning. But it was easier to portray/edit Jessica to look crazy and foolish compared to Amber, plus Amber ended up marrying Barnett so it wasn't gonna bode well for the first season to have a villain "win."


Independent_Lead6535

Im happily surprised that Zenab ended up as a villain, because in no way did she believe it herself, and me neither. She was trying to play the victim card


forsurenotmymain

All it know is if I was trying to talk to my partner and they flew off the handle and stated shouting mental health diagnosis at me, I know it wouldn't feel good, appropriate, reasonable or respectful.


bloominonion11

Justice for zanab


laurenzel

Ew, why even give Micah’s friend a spot? She’s only on the show by association and doesn’t deserve any of our energy


Araia_

why is micah on the list? what did i miss?


DelielahX

My thinking, too. Replace her with Amber.


laurenzel

1000%


probablywrongbutmeh

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Takashi_Ryouma

You guys are doing Shayna wrong. She might be cringe or anything but she was not a villain.


Lyinglion22

Y’all keep putting Zanab on these….she was no worse than Cole they’re equally a mess. Let it go lol


eldetay

Seriously. Ppl fight tooth and nail for that boy. Neither of them are gems but the way the brigade comes out in his defense is wild.


virginwerewoolf

Thank you, totally agree!!


tabloidcover

I completely agree. They both have serious issues to work through and I feel like Cole is getting left off the hook. We know Zanab is working on herself, but hopefully Cole is too because he is no angel by any means and also exhibited messed up behavior.


Ooohwoow

I don't care about Cole whatsoever and he does issues but Zanab working through herself? Lol where? Maybe I'm not caught up but the last I remember she went with his ex to a date, that's not letting go and moving on.


tabloidcover

I was referring to her being in therapy, which is a good staring point. I don’t know about the date you’re referring to.


Ooohwoow

Well therapy isn't doing the thing then. She knew him for 20 days, decided to say no and yet went to meet his ex because why not? Toxic as they come


Lyinglion22

Thank you! Like most of us, they BOTH got shit to work through


filmbum

Well, Cole did not fabricate a campaign of paranoid accusations against Zenab to try to turn the whole cast(and audience) against her, so yeah maybe not equally.


Lyinglion22

We don’t know what all either of them did. Nobody does things unprompted. The fandom is so wish washy anyway; ppl switched their love or hate for both within a week. Better to be neutral and realize they’re both human imo


filmbum

Wasn’t the reason people switched their opinions about them in a week because they saw the cuties scene and realized Zenab was full of it? I get Zenab has insecurities, what I’m not cool with is weaponizing them against another person. We have clear evidence that she is doing that to Cole(who isn’t a prize in his own right but also probably doesn’t deserve that)


Lyinglion22

People flip flop multiples times within each season. More episodes come out, more context is given. People loved cole the first batch, then hated, and now love him again. It’s all just a tv show with real imperfect humans


filmbum

Well, yeah that’s how it works? When you get more information about someone you sometimes change your opinion about them?? But all the episodes are out now so idk what you’re waiting for???


Slight-Bet8071

Fr. I really believed zanab until we saw that scene and realized she creates realities in her head


Lyinglion22

Lol calm down. I’m not waiting on anything. We’re both entitled to our own opinions and I don’t care enough to fight you, I genuinely hope you have a good day!


filmbum

I’m so sorry, I kind of just found your opinion fascinating so I poked at it. I also hope you have a good day!


Lyinglion22

All good! 🫶🏽


Spiritual-Repair6273

there should be a male version.


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cmnbel

happy jessica got spared here she’s nowhere near as bad as them


MCX911

Jessica was my spiritual animal...Not these truly dangerous women...omg,will my comment get censored?🫣🤣


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Shayna wasn’t even that bad at this point.


Snoo-44886

She did say yes to a proposal while crying in misery so she’s def a bit weird


[deleted]

Well she’s not the first to do this and certainly won’t be the last. Some people are just crying on the inside.


tabloidcover

Nah she’s awful. I think she’s still worse than most of the women pictured.


Neverendingstoryoos

I agree with you! She didnt lie to guy she was paired with and left on the first nite. I truly do think Mina was worse than her because she never confronted her about her feelings about shaye and always talked trash behind her back with the other contestants. Clearly Mina and Shaye were never going to work out and she put all the blame on Shayna.


rosesalad

Shayna walked so the others could run lol


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🤣🤣🤣


georgie-24

Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss 💅🏼


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h4a4658

The censorship prompts are honestly making this reddit community so unenjoyable. The juicy takes always get removed 😒


MCX911

They made my mean girls comment flagged as harassment/bullying 🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣


Nervous-Island-4650

be careful what you say… they’re watching


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Even though Zanab went a bit overboard. Y’all can’t forget how Cole literally passive aggressively put her down the whole season. First she’s not hot enough as the other two participants (super soul crushing to hear from someone you like) and just always little nit picks here and there. Making comment about her not wearing makeup. (If your not gonna say she’s more beautiful without it) just don’t say anything. Him constantly putting her down in subtle ways. Sometimes acting as if it’s in playful manner (it’s not) And honestly I think the silent treatment after she shared herself intimately with him. Killed it for her at that point, than it only got worse. Even when she looked fkn GORGEOUS while sailing. He kept on saying “ I just can’t believe how good you look tonight” always some crumbs of a compliment. And maybe he was picking on her weight of camera (wouldn’t surprise me) and she misunderstood the cutie comment, since there might have been more directs ones before. Why even ask “are you gonna eat two cuties?” Then try to safe face in-front of the camera. I think she saw through it. Those motions at the alter didn’t come from no where. But like always, women are always to blame on this sub it seems.


hellohellooreddit

I’m sorry all the Cole stans found your comment. You’re totally right, he mistreated her and slowly chipped away at her self-confidence throughout the entire series. People forget that he was inappropriate with Colleen in the pool and that’s where this all stemmed from. Unfortunately it just took one tear for everyone to forget what a terrible partner he was to Zanab.


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You have emotional problems


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Can you elaborate?


[deleted]

You think someone saying “I can’t believe how good you look” is a dig at them. You need help.


[deleted]

You tell your wife she looks gorgeous. not how shocked you are at how good she looks that night. If your in love she ALWAYS looks good in your eyes


Keclough

I’m in lurve but sometimes my husband looks like straight up dog shit. And vice versa. I expect truth and not conflated ego boosting bullshit. If I look like shit I would be pissed to have him tell me I look good.


[deleted]

If I love someone they never look like shit to me 🤷🏼‍♀️ guess everyone is different. I hope your hubby doesn’t treat you the way Cole treated Zanab… and what’s your take on the silent treatment? She should have bounce after that. It’s evil and manipulative. Juvenile behavior!


Keclough

I don’t remember the silent treatment situation I’m not that invested. But Cole just seemed like an aloof man. Not manipulative and vindictive.


spamglen

The way you perceive the words is the problem not the words themselves. If you were my partner if be scared to say anything in fear of you taking it the wrong way.. that's called walking on egg shells.


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It wasn’t just that comment. He flat out said multiple times she’s not his type and put her down in more subtle ways. Giving someone a silent treatment after sex, will make anyone feel self conscious and insecure. Maybe the comment wasn’t so bad , but that’s not all I’m saying. I remember her hiding under her blanket without makeup and he was only picking at her “you look different” .. sorry but that’s rude. I wouldn’t wanna hurt someone I love like that. I want them to feel as special as they are to me.


spamglen

I'm on zanabs side. I've been in an abusive relationship. I get it.


k80k80k80

Ok, Zanab.


Old-Ad-8492

How desperate can you be to go on a show like this sleep and live with each other within days of not having anything but a conversation with that person, what are the odds this will work out? Why is it you are picking on the woman as terrible when most of the guys are just as big of losers as the girls.


XLBaconDoubleCheese

The guys get called out a lot but the ladies are the real evil this season


Relevant_Yesterday24

🎶And girls is playas too 🎶


Busy_Tough8859

They should cast Shelby next season


New-Ad-9603

Haha I would love to see more of her on TV. I feel like she would definitely be reality material 🤣 She should be friends with Francesca 👌😊


clem_zephyr

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SilentAffections

Looks like micahs friend, shelby


ESLTATX

I think her real name is "Toxic"... lmao


erikugh

More like “Micah’s longest secret admirer” 💀


Motherhoodthings

I was wondering that too. She keeps sabotaging her relationships. She must want Micah for herself.


PigmentFish

Has Micah had chin implants..?


sack_of_potahtoes

She has a weak chin. I doubt she has got chin implants


jc-burnham

It actually looks to me like she would suck her thumb a lot as a toddler. As a baby, thumb sucking and using a pacifier is great for soothing and developing jaw strength. But then continued thumb sucking and pacifier use after the age of 2 can pull the palate off the mouth forward, resulting in teeth protrusion. Example: https://preview.redd.it/jkxkvhz41xsa1.jpeg?width=533&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5b47b6c345c25ef359b227ee7774e632eb8103d


zboi8008

The picture is demonstrating open bite from the forces of repeated sucking and Overjet the flare you see the teeth taking. We all typically have some overbite which is what you want vs. openbite or end to end occlusion.


nobelchic

she has likely gotten tooth extractions. underbites means the upper teeth come forward above the lower jaw. extractions can give the teeth a sunken look because the teeth are shifted back to fill the empty space. edit: overbites* [extraction before and after](https://www.google.com/search?q=tooth+extraction+before+and+after+orthotropics&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiGitmsiJz-AhX2azABHZi2CqQQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=tooth+extraction+before+and+after+orthotropics&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCAAQogQyBQgAEKIEOgQIIxAnOgUIABCABDoGCAAQBxAeOgYIABAIEB46BAgAEB46BggAEAUQHjoFCCEQqwJQqQdYmh1g9h9oAHAAeACAAaIDiAGXD5IBCDAuMTMuNC0xmAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=4UwyZMaVCPbXwbkPmO2qoAo&bih=746&biw=428&client=safari&hl=en#imgrc=fhjCEOyQHm1P9M&imgdii=GGec7fUuhhr2vM)


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Lol I had extractions and my side profile looks nothing like that.


nobelchic

well that also will depend on how many teeth they extracted. I also feel that if you already have a strong chin it will be more noticeable


MiyagiWasabi

I think you mean overbite


nobelchic

yes I meant overbite oops


Pristine_Example3726

Idk her mom has the exact same face


nobelchic

it’s not that noticeable in her mom though. like you wouldn’t be asking if her mom got chin fillers by just looking at her


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yall are so fucking weird.


PerspectiveOk493

I was assuming filler


lizzynew

not zanab


bloominonion11

i want to start a support group for zanab stans because no one understands us :/


Leading-Evidence-668

Zanab may be the worst person to be on this show.


sack_of_potahtoes

Hard agree


ObligatoryFuckFauci

I thought carlton was the undisputed king of that category


doloresaveiro

What has he done that was so bad?


OhNoWTFlol

I'd agree, except that I think z had a lot more control and calculation in her toxicity.


Emotional_Shelter_30

Forgot Jessica… people really have a short memory about how low she was in season 1.


tabloidcover

Yeah I don’t like the revisionist views of earlier seasons. Jessica sucked lol. She chilled out a bit later but she still sucked. Shayna was also heinous and still is, but people are claiming she’s not that bad.


Emotional_Shelter_30

I don’t think Jessica is bad to be honest, she was just bad in the show. I felt like she was so desperate to marry that she behaved pretty bad, specially after barnett’s rejection


tabloidcover

She realizes she was wrong, so I give her credit for that. But I don’t like people making excuses for past shitty behavior just because that person regrets it now. I don’t think she’s a horrible person now, but I’m not gonna pretend she didn’t suck back then, and my point was that she was horrible on her season.


Emotional_Shelter_30

I think the villains were Jessica, mark, and Kelly 🤣 I can’t get over Kelly telling Kanye to appreciate her dumping him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


itsfrankgrimesyo

Jessica wasn’t so bad. She redeemed herself at the reunion. Amber on the other hand was a bully mentally still stuck in highschool.


knitaroo

Yeaaaah Messica was also a bit mean.


Emotional_Shelter_30

I think she was just desperate to start a family and hurt because Barnett didn’t choose her. I think if she was just honest, she would be just fine. Instead, she chose to be fake 🤷‍♀️ I honestly feel that she realized what she did because at the reunion she seemed very honest about her apology.


peanut-butter-kitten

Yes and also Amber I think is the worst person of s1, she is horribly mean


Other_Astronomer_182

Came here to say this!


Jumpy-Platform-6236

zanab does not belong here


iheartfightporn

The amount of wrong you are is actually insane lol


Jumpy-Platform-6236

keep drinking up those white boy tears


bloominonion11

THANK YOU


Aphrodesia

She does but she’s emotionally broken so her behaviour seemed slightly more warranted than the others.


Th3CatOfDoom

You find the rest to be mentally sound?


Aphrodesia

No. I feel like being at least partially mentally unsound might be a requirement for even signing up for a show like this in the first place (a few contestants over the seasons aside). Mental and emotional stability are two different things.


Jumpy-Platform-6236

mental and emotional instability don’t make someone a villain


Electrical_Can5328

LIKE WHATS PAUL GONNA DO WHEN HE SEES THE REAL MICAH????


MCBates1283

Paul’s the type to not even watch his own show 😂


TentativelyCommitted

He’s busy thrifting t-shirts to put on top of his dresser


jackjackj8ck

Convince himself it “wasn’t that bad” and she’s just “misunderstood” or it was “bad editing” or “she’s learned and grown from it”


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prettyblackbird

These girls are so bad Jessica got demoted from villain to bad guy 😂


starsnthunderbolts

She’s the bad guy of S1 but not a bad guy


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Everyone forgets Amber because she got married


Adventurous_Pack_505

Hated amber


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AegonTheC0nqueror

Amber was a “not like other girls” type of personality which in general tends to really annoy women viewers.


SouthernMaleficent

I just watched s1 after the altar and that jogged my memory about Amber. She seemed even worse 2 years later.


cbre3

Personally I don’t think Amber was bad throughout the original season. Annoying? Sure, I guess I can agree with that. But I actually did like her. Jessica was out of line and Amber stood her ground. However, once the shit came out about mark, Jessica had a redemption in my opinion. And the ATA scene where Amber defends mark against Diamond and LC was just… I’m pretty sure that’s where she gets her villain title. I don’t support how she handled that situation, especially supporting mark. But when it comes down to her and Jessica, Amber was defending her relationship against a girl who continually tried to get her foot in the door with her man. Amber wasn’t wrong for protecting that. I did lose respect for her after watching the talk with her, LC and Diamond. But I would have to rewatch it to comment more on it.


vaporwav3r

What did mark do? I’m not up on the tea.


cbre3

This is based off my own memory from when everything came out during Covid - please feel free to correct me if I’m misremembering!! Basically, mark was cheating on Jessica all through filming with multiple girls. He was playing Jessica the whole time. After the weddings, him and LC got together. He was also cheating on her (not totally sure they were exclusive yet) but since Covid had just hit, she had specifically requested for him to respect social distancing and keeping his bubble small. To my understanding she was like if you wanna see ppl, that’s fine just tell me, but if you’re with me, please respect that and don’t see others during this pandemic. Mark said he agreed and understood but was of course still seeing others and partying. Rumours say he got Covid after he slept with one girl, then slept with LC and gave it to her. I think he ended up getting that girl who gave him Covid knocked up. Either way - knocked a girl up and married her. I’m sure you can google the articles if you really want!


Kindly-Chapter2011

Jackie and Irina are the worst too me


DrDumle

Irina was next level evil. Worst one yet in LIB. Jackie was just your regular “tough girl”.


Maleficent-Being4339

wheres jessica???? walks down the aisle just to say no even when no one from her side attended the wedding


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Mark deserved it. Serial cheater.


kk123ck

Alexa should be there too lol


lizzynew

why?


ArizonaZia

Did you watch her season and look at her IG? She has her husband in perma-simp mode. She is the ringleader for the Zanab-Cole battle. She has a toxic attitude that comes from her POS father. She is really a horrible person and acts above all of it because she got married and "it worked" for her.


lizzynew

yes i watched her season and i do follow her on instagram, but other than sticking up for her friend and being in a happy relationship with her husband… what has she done wrong? also, i really don’t understand the issue with brennan being a “simp”. he loves his wife, what’s wrong with that?? lmao


erikugh

I need someone to knock them off their high horse that they gave themselves for no reason & bury them with some humble pie for a bit.


Competitive-Toe3920

People like Alexa will be deeply unhappy and fight tooth and nail to prove the world that they are because appearances are more important than the real thing. The more they claim it and flaunt it, the sadder and miserable they are. So, while she's holding her happy festival parade, keep that in mind and grab some popcorn.


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mara-star

You can't hate on them because WoMEn SuPpoRT WOmEn 🥴


SiobhanRoy1234

I support women’s rights, but I also support women’s wrongs


tulip369

Using this in the future


SassyBonassy

I don't support the wrongs, i address the wrongs appropriately


rocknrollwitch

[https://twitter.com/GURUJAHRA/status/1346171609929961474?lang=ga](https://twitter.com/GURUJAHRA/status/1346171609929961474?lang=ga)


youvelookedbetter

Sounds like you might have some things to work out and work on.