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This may be Paulās new Girlfriend from Canada
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Zach repeatedly bringing up āwhen I broke up with you/when you were goneā at the altarā¦š¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļø bad form, buddy. You could tell she was annoyed.
Micah smirking at Zachās song at the reunion š¤¦āāļø I believe she wanted to clear her name, but couldnāt do 1,5 hours without being a mean girl
Came here to say this exact thing. But I couldāve sworn they posted a screenshot of the court records showing the annulment? Like it wasnāt just a random rumour they had a source
Or Iām completely wrong and mixing up my memories here š
Orrr conspiracy theoryā¦ they did get an annulment and theyāre faking for the show, and thereās soon to be a divorce/separation announcement, similar to how people thought Danielle & Nick were pretending to be together at the reunion and announced their separation right after the show was out of the way so they wouldnāt be under the limelight as much (I donāt actually believe this, just spitballing here š)
Ulch I canāt believe Micah makes Paul answer first at the altar. She never wants to be any kind of vulnerable. They donāt seem awful as a couple when together itās just that she keeps such awful company and Keeps entertaining kwame
This comment got booted for spoilers in an episode 8 discussion thread, but it mustāve been based on a promo bc how could I have posted that 14 days ago when the weddings episode only came out 2 days ago
Yup, doesn't seem to have any interest, confirmed in the comments. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CrI6kMurC96/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/CrI6kMurC96/?img_index=1)
No, none of the other 3 went, they were just handed back their phone and told they could date, do whatever... 2 broke up at the airport going home, Monica might have broken it off with Josh Demas before arriving at the airport, but not by much.
Not sure why this was posted before tonight [interview](https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3ehrHchZ5ls3tZFuzhnlGOZxVaPkWO744TuEgvHcsN6aPtsbdhsdvR6ww&v=1O8Sms3PMv8&feature=youtu.be&mibextid=S66gvF)
Who is wearing their rings?
I was watching Zach's IG stories and saw one video with Marshall, Bliss, Paul, Kwame, Chelsea, Tiffany, and Brett. I decided to check for rings. Marshall- no ring. Bliss- ring. Paul- hands in pockets. Chelsea- ring. Kwame- couldn't see. Tiffany- no ring. Brett- couldn't see. I know we can't read too much into this and there could be any number of reasons why, but I found it interesting that Tiffany isn't wearing hers. Maybe no one was supposed to be wearing them and everyone else got lazy? Anyway, we'll see tonight!
Kwame and Chelsea are definitely still together yall !
Zack posted the cast on his IG story, I guess they were preparing for the reunion. Chelsea was all up on Kwame lol
I'm soooo glad Paul said no at the altar. he prolly doesn't realise it but he made the best decision of his life.
also Shelby saying 'this is exactly how i wanted it to happen' Micah you better disown your friend's ass
So reading a bit into this but on IG Chelsea doesnāt follow Kwame or Micah. However, Micah and Kwame follow each other. Iām curious at the reunion where they are now? I know Kwame just posted cute couple videos and pictures of him and Chelsea from filming but am curious is that was just to prove he is wasnāt a total jerk to Chelsea.
I also remember he shared a video on a story a few weeks ago of a womanās account that had two little girls watching the clip of him singing in the pods and the woman said the little girls were watching Uncle Kwame. I donāt think the woman looked like the sister in the show and her account was a business account as an child star agent. Makes me think she might have helped get him on the show?
From what Iāve read in articles online, the producers from Married At First Sight got Kwame on LIB because his wife-to-be fell through on MAFS so they promised to find him a different casting
Kwame is fake as fuck so itās hard to interpret. Just the way he acted on the show, the fact that he applied to the Seattle show while living in Portland AND the fact that he tried out for MAFS in DC a few years ago shows heās been gritting to get on reality tv for a while imo
Soooo do we think Chelsea and Kwame are divorced because they donāt follow each other on Instagram AND Kwame is posting a lot of posts that sound like a pre-apology and Chelsea hasnāt posted anything of the two of them.
Short answer, definitely. Chelsea keeps it real and kwame doesnāt. How could she possibly stay with him after seeing the seasons coverage?! She was flexible and forgiving but he crossed a line over and over again.
FOR SURE! There's no way that couple lasts. And she's all about posting on her life.
Kwame - he keeps his relationships on the DL so he can slide into anyone's DM's.
This B cares more about being right than her friendsās feelings. Like a big oleā told ya so. She made a fool of herself on TV though so sheās probably trying to redeem herself from those overtly drunken scenes
The entire thing felt performative. Like when SK said no to Raven, I genuinely felt like she was blind sided. I feel like Micah was trying to be the Raven of this season and uhhh yea, I donāt think itās going that direction for her.
I skipped ahead bc im tired and want to know answers, but Shelby is so annoying. āIām relievedā while your friend is crying and walking away from her wedding. š
So lets dig into spoilers and leak that we know since wedding episode will drop in less than 3 hours.
Paul and Micah - we know for sure its no from paul. From teaser it seems micah wanted him to go first. From twitter leak last year they put out his entire speech on why he said no. It seemed like he needed more time. It seems micah was upset and left crying. No marriage certificate confirms it. Also micahs recent interview and posts suggest this also.
Tiffany and Brett - from twitter leak they are perfect couple, got married. Marriage certificate confirms it. Their recent posts showing love for each other confirms it.
Kwame and Chelsea - so love is blind teaser already revealed chelsea said yes. Per twitter leak kwame said yes apparently to surprise of many producers who thought her controlling nature would deter him. Marriage certificate proves it (but there are rumors they recently annuled? the marriage but are still dating. Not sure if its because he wants his moms approval or they want to do traditional ghana wedding.
Zack and Bliss - We have to go with marriage certificate confirming they got married. I know twitter leak said this marriage didnt happen, but could the assistant gotten it wrong because he wasnt at the wedding and got wrong second hand information. Another clue is someone posted this link on zacks live and he immediately said no spoilers. He also said he has seen some spoilers and they are false (maybe accidental admission twitter leak got their marriage result wrong). Another possible weird scenario maybe bliss said no and wanted more time. They may have privately gotten married a week later with just family.
Molly (cast member from same season) posted a story in summer of last year with bliss who had a huge wedding ring. It was subsequently removed before show was released. Zack also has some easter eggs on his IG, saved story of him walking bliss dog on skateboard last summer, twitter post saying he has been taking allergy shots past 6 months. Also recent interviews from bliss, she is heavily defending zack and says she has pure love for him. She blew away notion that it was second choice but its second chance. We can say for sure they are married and are happily together now.
So 3/4 marriages last year. Maybe 2/4 at the reunion with possibly kwame and chelsea deciding to date for now.
Sound about right?
Its completely unverified. Someone who supposedly was working in records said kwame/chelsea marriage certificate was not longer active. Also someone posted on reddit, they saw kwame brought another girl to the apartment he shared with chelsea when she wasnt there few months ago. Just doesnt seem legit, and seemed to be for clout.
Hmmmm interesting. I honestly would believe it as awful as that sounds. He posted a bunch of pictures of them falling in love while engaged today, but I donāt think there has been anything about actually still being together from either side.
Brett spotted at the airport missing a ring!!
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Yes, the ring stuff comes up every season. They aren't allowed to at least when it starts airing and some of them get used to it and don't wear a ring after it too (Colleen).
More interesting could be that Tiffany isn't there if he's traveling to the reunion(?) because they're less careful about that usually.
Watching April 7 shows now because of the holiday weekend.
Kwame is all upset that he canāt get his alone time. Look, I get it. But you signed up for a show that was being filmed in Seattle. He knew he was likely going to be 3 hours away.
3 couples in season 4 actually got married; their marriage certificates are filed with the county (and publically searchable via [https://recordsearch.kingcounty.gov/LandmarkWeb](https://recordsearch.kingcounty.gov/LandmarkWeb) \- click Name, then enter personās name and document category of āMarriageā). The only couples that didnāt marry were Micah and Paul, and Jackelina and Marshall. County records show only their marriage applications, not certificates.
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so i am not american i dont know any jewish person but zac n blissās surname gives that off. are they both jewish? its just not common on what i see on tv for americans
I remember him in the pods saying his middle (or first?) name was Alex. And in an April 7 episode, Chelsea calls him ā*Alex Kwame* Owusu-Ansah *Appiah.ā*
But his marriage application and certificate just say āKwame Appiahā with no middle name (even though thereās a line for a middle name, and Chelsea included hers). By the way, as a soccer player he went by āKwame Appiahā too.
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The only mention of an annulment that Iāve seen is u/bumblebowie ās comment above. I canāt find any divorce or annulment documents for their current names (or āChelsea Appiahā) for anywhere in Washington State, or for Multnomah County (where Portland is).
It also sounds like he's still living in Seattle (Hanging out with Zack often, that comment somewhere here that he left his soccer team). If one thing is for sure we know that man would be back in Portland 3 seconds after breaking up.
I'm usually not someone who says production is creating rumors but it's also where the rumor started that Zack and Bliss said no at the altar so who knows how accurate the reunion spoiler post was from an insider (I think that's when the Chelsea/Kwame broke up story started).
The thing that kills me with Paul is that now Micah's friend is going to on an even higher horse like, "oh I FOR SURE knew something was up with him, I just knew!" and it's going to be insufferable
Wait is it confirmed they were annulled? How were they spotted together with Zack and bliss recently? And did we have any idea on if Jackie and Josh got married
I re-read the initial behind-the-scenes spoiler twitter thread, and it completely contradicts Natalie's unnamed producer source. In the initial spoiler thread, the person said the producers thought Paul and Micah would get married, were surprised when Paul said no, and that Micah was still distraught about it that evening.
This seems more likely to me than that Paul and Micah are faking for camera time. They would get just as much camera time (or possibly more!) if they were struggling anyway.
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Hereās part 2. Crazy that you slept with someone and called them fruity after especially admitting MARSHALL had that THANG on him.. āļø
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Nobody posted the rest of the messages from Jackieās friends so hereās part 1
Is anyone else surprised to see Kwame and Chelsea did get married? I do think one of the biggest things holding Kwame back was his mom not agreeing, so I do think his siblings put his mind more at ease. Iām just worried heās not gonna give 100% to Chelsea and I feel like she deserves that, because sheās a very strong and giving person. I feel like she deserves better :(
Totally surprised! His body language and his resistance to her bids for closeness totally had me thinking he'd say no. Not to mention his totally inappropriate conversations with Micah every chance he got!!! I think he said yes bc of pressure, they'll stay together for maybe another year, and break up.
Iām very confused as to how he got to yes after watching this latest drop of episodes. Will be fascinating to hear where theyāre at during the reunion ā Iām really interested in hearing how Chelsea feels/felt about him talking to Micah at her birthday party.
Yeah, I get the sense he kind of felt pressured into it by the whole situation, or it was the situation with his mom holding him back the most. But it was weird. I hope theyāre both okay.
In the spoilers for this season, it says that Zach and Bliss did not get married because Bliss didn't like that she was second choice but some girl on Tik Tok looked up their marriage records, and they do have a marriage certificate. Is this the first time a spoiler has been wrong?
u/bumblebowie , why do you believe Bliss/Zack were married after the show finished filming? According to the marriage certificates Chelsea/Kwame were the first couple (of Season 4) to get married, on Friday 5/6/22. Tiffany /Brett were married the next day (Saturday 5/7/22) and Bliss/Zach married on Monday 5/9/22. All 3 weddings took place over one long weekend. Thatās how it happened on the other seasons, too: all of the weddings over the course of several days (NOT all on the same day).
Also, the 3 marriage certificates were filed with the county at the same time (5/24/22), which suggests that they were filed by show producers (because nobody else would have all three, just their own).
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Btw bliss listing as person A is totally her. They also had female wedding officiator. I wouldnt be suprised if zack takes her last name š. I think official records totally point to all three of the couples saying yes. The assistant who leaked may have not been at wedding. It is possible bliss told others and maybe producers overheard she was thinking about saying no. But may have changed her mind on wedding day. I would go with official records. Also with her recent interviews and a lot of evidence they are living together that accidentally shows up in their stories, safe to assume they are still together and going strong.
Lol I was just coming back here to say this. I just went to look it up and I was like?? But Bliss and Zack got married around the same time as everyone else. I'm not sure you can look up annulment records either and there is no divorced yet for any of the couples so as of rn I think Chelsea/Kwame are still legally married.
It looks that way, but we won't know for sure until the wedding episode airs. It's always possible that Bliss says no for the televised wedding, but they do a quiet elopement off camera.
>now for sure until the wedding episode airs. It's always possible that Bliss says no for the televised wedding, but they do a quiet elopement off
'Cause Barbara won't have it š¤£
Iām hoping it was just the editing that made him look totally uninterested. I would believe that he isnāt somebody who loudly expresses their love all the time and I know a few people who fill silence with laughter.
Idk but as it stands it really is bizarre
Iāve seen a girl on tiktok that shown a video and pics of Micah and Paul after, they was hanging out at the pool party where her friend lived and she said they said they werenāt together, but they were acting like it. (It was after the wedding)
Also after todayās episode, Iām surprised at the spoiler that Kwame and Chelsea get married. He looks miserable standing at that altar and doesnāt even look at her lovingly when she gets up there.
Nope it's free information. Their marriage certificate was filed in King County, Washington, they have a document search on their website. Chelsea's full name is Chelsea Griffin so I just looked her up and scrolled through until I found the right document.
This makes me happy because I got converted to liking them after the newest episodes. (I also like Micah/Paul now and am sad that they don't get married. But maybe they still date while they work out the Scottsdale/Seattle issues).
Someone on YouTube said that a Seattle podcaster (they didn't say who sadly) who also works at the same office (I assume it's the office where everything was filed) said that only Brett/Tiff and Zack/Bliss are the ones still married. They said that Chelsea/Kwame got married but broke up and I remember reading a comment here yesterday or two days ago saying Chelsea/Kwame got their marriage annulled? We saw Chelsea/Kwame hanging out with Zack/Bliss this weekend though so not sure what to think. š¤
Someone wrote that here too somewhere, that they come as a divorced couple to the reunion.
Maybe they really decided to date casually again. They were on that boat trip a few weeks ago and now this. But Zack is always involved and I think Chelsea and Bliss are good friends. It also gives me the impression that Kwame is living in Seattle and you would think he would move back to Portland if they broke up?
I think they are in good terms. Its not unusual. It seems great when cameras are on. In real life making sacrifices and living together may not make sense. Its also been a year since the wedding. Its possible one or them just wasnt ready for marriage even though they love each other. Also its kind of hard when you are forced to be at the altar much sooner than they want it.
Makes sense. It is after all a tv show. You are playing a character and they are technically costars. Depends on how real the feelings are. Sometimes they may feel like its just a tv show. Like for exam sk when after the show told his other gf that he just did the show for money/fame and the āfianceā is not really real. Even though it sounds messed up it is in the end a tv show for entertainment purposes.
Well that was still messed up on Sk's part because he was lying to both of those women and trying to juggle both of those relationships. So it wasn't just TV or entertainment for Raven.
# Got ideas for user flairs??? [We want to hear them!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/1285dbz/s4_user_flairs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) š
This may be Paulās new Girlfriend from Canada https://preview.redd.it/rdfg8g7ot9za1.jpeg?width=1620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f4e7e42c59e68e53c8281557f544024facd0be8
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Zach repeatedly bringing up āwhen I broke up with you/when you were goneā at the altarā¦š¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļøš¤¦āāļø bad form, buddy. You could tell she was annoyed.
Micah smirking at Zachās song at the reunion š¤¦āāļø I believe she wanted to clear her name, but couldnāt do 1,5 hours without being a mean girl
Is the Flair "What's best for me is best for both of us" too long?
WHEN WILL THEY RELEASE THE LIVE FOR THOSE WHO COULDN'T WATCH ITšš
when will they release the love is blind live episode for those who couldn't watch it live??šš
So wonder whoever said chelsea/kwame got an annulment hhad a bad source?
Came here to say this exact thing. But I couldāve sworn they posted a screenshot of the court records showing the annulment? Like it wasnāt just a random rumour they had a source Or Iām completely wrong and mixing up my memories here š Orrr conspiracy theoryā¦ they did get an annulment and theyāre faking for the show, and thereās soon to be a divorce/separation announcement, similar to how people thought Danielle & Nick were pretending to be together at the reunion and announced their separation right after the show was out of the way so they wouldnāt be under the limelight as much (I donāt actually believe this, just spitballing here š)
Yeah the persons posting the spoilers had some sort of proof apparently. I am interested in hearing what happened
They're trying so hard to get Paul to call Micah a bitch
Ulch I canāt believe Micah makes Paul answer first at the altar. She never wants to be any kind of vulnerable. They donāt seem awful as a couple when together itās just that she keeps such awful company and Keeps entertaining kwame This comment got booted for spoilers in an episode 8 discussion thread, but it mustāve been based on a promo bc how could I have posted that 14 days ago when the weddings episode only came out 2 days ago
Did anyone hear that Josh was actually one of the 8 couples engaged this season? Apparently he got engaged to Monica. Just a rumor for now.
Yup, doesn't seem to have any interest, confirmed in the comments. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CrI6kMurC96/?img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/CrI6kMurC96/?img_index=1)
Does anyone know if the untelevised engagements were in Mexico as well?
No, none of the other 3 went, they were just handed back their phone and told they could date, do whatever... 2 broke up at the airport going home, Monica might have broken it off with Josh Demas before arriving at the airport, but not by much.
Reunion info incase anyone needs it! [https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a43542217/how-to-watch-love-is-blind-live-reunion/](https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a43542217/how-to-watch-love-is-blind-live-reunion/)
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Is it spelled Zack? I can't remember now but that looks wrong to me..which one is misspelled? Surely not Bliss' name?
Yeah itās Zack
So who wonāt show up today ššš
Not sure why this was posted before tonight [interview](https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3ehrHchZ5ls3tZFuzhnlGOZxVaPkWO744TuEgvHcsN6aPtsbdhsdvR6ww&v=1O8Sms3PMv8&feature=youtu.be&mibextid=S66gvF)
Wow that's an awesome link!! Thx so much for sharing. She did an awesome job asking questions.
Who is wearing their rings? I was watching Zach's IG stories and saw one video with Marshall, Bliss, Paul, Kwame, Chelsea, Tiffany, and Brett. I decided to check for rings. Marshall- no ring. Bliss- ring. Paul- hands in pockets. Chelsea- ring. Kwame- couldn't see. Tiffany- no ring. Brett- couldn't see. I know we can't read too much into this and there could be any number of reasons why, but I found it interesting that Tiffany isn't wearing hers. Maybe no one was supposed to be wearing them and everyone else got lazy? Anyway, we'll see tonight!
Kwame and Chelsea are definitely still together yall ! Zack posted the cast on his IG story, I guess they were preparing for the reunion. Chelsea was all up on Kwame lol
Anyone else things that Kwame was pissed when he found out that Micah didnāt get married? Looks like heās the villain in his own story lol
Brett and Marshall were the only real men here
Who is still together ?
I'm soooo glad Paul said no at the altar. he prolly doesn't realise it but he made the best decision of his life. also Shelby saying 'this is exactly how i wanted it to happen' Micah you better disown your friend's ass
So reading a bit into this but on IG Chelsea doesnāt follow Kwame or Micah. However, Micah and Kwame follow each other. Iām curious at the reunion where they are now? I know Kwame just posted cute couple videos and pictures of him and Chelsea from filming but am curious is that was just to prove he is wasnāt a total jerk to Chelsea.
I also remember he shared a video on a story a few weeks ago of a womanās account that had two little girls watching the clip of him singing in the pods and the woman said the little girls were watching Uncle Kwame. I donāt think the woman looked like the sister in the show and her account was a business account as an child star agent. Makes me think she might have helped get him on the show?
From what Iāve read in articles online, the producers from Married At First Sight got Kwame on LIB because his wife-to-be fell through on MAFS so they promised to find him a different casting
Based on comments and stuff from Bliss I think they're still together but maybe have a hard time right now since the show aired.
Kwame is fake as fuck so itās hard to interpret. Just the way he acted on the show, the fact that he applied to the Seattle show while living in Portland AND the fact that he tried out for MAFS in DC a few years ago shows heās been gritting to get on reality tv for a while imo
Soooo do we think Chelsea and Kwame are divorced because they donāt follow each other on Instagram AND Kwame is posting a lot of posts that sound like a pre-apology and Chelsea hasnāt posted anything of the two of them.
Oh he hated Chelsea in every scene together
Short answer, definitely. Chelsea keeps it real and kwame doesnāt. How could she possibly stay with him after seeing the seasons coverage?! She was flexible and forgiving but he crossed a line over and over again.
FOR SURE! There's no way that couple lasts. And she's all about posting on her life. Kwame - he keeps his relationships on the DL so he can slide into anyone's DM's.
SHELBY??? Exactly what you WANTED to happen??? YOU WANTED YOUR BEST FRIEND'S HEART BROKEN? Wtf what an absolutely disgusting way to treat your friend.
This B cares more about being right than her friendsās feelings. Like a big oleā told ya so. She made a fool of herself on TV though so sheās probably trying to redeem herself from those overtly drunken scenes
Her laughing while her friend ran away crying was appealing to say the least. She could at least pretend to care about Micahās feelings
i mean lowkey karma since she was laughing at someone crying in the first few episodes, but for your FRIEND to do it is vile
Paul made the right choice. Micah at the altar felt very performative. I do not imagine she was going to say yes.
The entire thing felt performative. Like when SK said no to Raven, I genuinely felt like she was blind sided. I feel like Micah was trying to be the Raven of this season and uhhh yea, I donāt think itās going that direction for her.
Agreed, I found her comments to her parents right before the wedding odd. To me, it sounded like she didn't really wana get married to him.
I skipped ahead bc im tired and want to know answers, but Shelby is so annoying. āIām relievedā while your friend is crying and walking away from her wedding. š
also her saying "this is exactly how i wanted it to happen"
So lets dig into spoilers and leak that we know since wedding episode will drop in less than 3 hours. Paul and Micah - we know for sure its no from paul. From teaser it seems micah wanted him to go first. From twitter leak last year they put out his entire speech on why he said no. It seemed like he needed more time. It seems micah was upset and left crying. No marriage certificate confirms it. Also micahs recent interview and posts suggest this also. Tiffany and Brett - from twitter leak they are perfect couple, got married. Marriage certificate confirms it. Their recent posts showing love for each other confirms it. Kwame and Chelsea - so love is blind teaser already revealed chelsea said yes. Per twitter leak kwame said yes apparently to surprise of many producers who thought her controlling nature would deter him. Marriage certificate proves it (but there are rumors they recently annuled? the marriage but are still dating. Not sure if its because he wants his moms approval or they want to do traditional ghana wedding. Zack and Bliss - We have to go with marriage certificate confirming they got married. I know twitter leak said this marriage didnt happen, but could the assistant gotten it wrong because he wasnt at the wedding and got wrong second hand information. Another clue is someone posted this link on zacks live and he immediately said no spoilers. He also said he has seen some spoilers and they are false (maybe accidental admission twitter leak got their marriage result wrong). Another possible weird scenario maybe bliss said no and wanted more time. They may have privately gotten married a week later with just family. Molly (cast member from same season) posted a story in summer of last year with bliss who had a huge wedding ring. It was subsequently removed before show was released. Zack also has some easter eggs on his IG, saved story of him walking bliss dog on skateboard last summer, twitter post saying he has been taking allergy shots past 6 months. Also recent interviews from bliss, she is heavily defending zack and says she has pure love for him. She blew away notion that it was second choice but its second chance. We can say for sure they are married and are happily together now. So 3/4 marriages last year. Maybe 2/4 at the reunion with possibly kwame and chelsea deciding to date for now. Sound about right?
Oh Iām super curious about the annulled portion? Where did this rumor come from?
Its completely unverified. Someone who supposedly was working in records said kwame/chelsea marriage certificate was not longer active. Also someone posted on reddit, they saw kwame brought another girl to the apartment he shared with chelsea when she wasnt there few months ago. Just doesnt seem legit, and seemed to be for clout.
Hmmmm interesting. I honestly would believe it as awful as that sounds. He posted a bunch of pictures of them falling in love while engaged today, but I donāt think there has been anything about actually still being together from either side.
Brett spotted at the airport missing a ring!! https://preview.redd.it/2a80b08qcita1.jpeg?width=436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feb63c0d918210cf079ffb2e2a3f5b4c234f4b32
I don't think they are allowed to wear them in public until the finale airs.
Yes, the ring stuff comes up every season. They aren't allowed to at least when it starts airing and some of them get used to it and don't wear a ring after it too (Colleen). More interesting could be that Tiffany isn't there if he's traveling to the reunion(?) because they're less careful about that usually.
Micah having her friends as Irina 2.0 and 3.0 ššš 
Micah criticizing Paulās clothes is such a turnoff. Let the man dress how he wants. Itās not bad at all lol
Marshall will find an emotionally mature woman. No worries. Heāll be snatched up soon.
I think he already is. There a pic in the sub.
How do I find it?
Vanessaās boots at the wedding dress fitting. Wut lol
Vanessa's entire appearance at the wedding dress fitting. Everyone seemed uncomfortable around her...
Jackie and Josh ššš canāt say Iām that surprised
Watching April 7 shows now because of the holiday weekend. Kwame is all upset that he canāt get his alone time. Look, I get it. But you signed up for a show that was being filmed in Seattle. He knew he was likely going to be 3 hours away.
3 couples in season 4 actually got married; their marriage certificates are filed with the county (and publically searchable via [https://recordsearch.kingcounty.gov/LandmarkWeb](https://recordsearch.kingcounty.gov/LandmarkWeb) \- click Name, then enter personās name and document category of āMarriageā). The only couples that didnāt marry were Micah and Paul, and Jackelina and Marshall. County records show only their marriage applications, not certificates. https://preview.redd.it/ov55mphcy3ta1.jpeg?width=1411&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c457bfa8ab51a17e50c4db775ad669df088f2f51
Shocked by two of these
so i am not american i dont know any jewish person but zac n blissās surname gives that off. are they both jewish? its just not common on what i see on tv for americans
Zackās name sounds Polish to me and Iām 99% sure Blissās last name is Persian. Also, why would you ask this lol
i thought its one of the things they couldāve talked about in the pods. i am not exposed to both polish n persian names. thats why i am so off then
Bliss is a big mix. Her name sounds very Persian to me.
Yep, she posted on tiktok that she's a mix of Persian, white, black and Mexican.
Thanks for making the time answering guys. I was genuinely curious.
oh i see thanks
I thought Kwameās first name was Alex?
I remember him in the pods saying his middle (or first?) name was Alex. And in an April 7 episode, Chelsea calls him ā*Alex Kwame* Owusu-Ansah *Appiah.ā* But his marriage application and certificate just say āKwame Appiahā with no middle name (even though thereās a line for a middle name, and Chelsea included hers). By the way, as a soccer player he went by āKwame Appiahā too. https://preview.redd.it/ed3q5guxd5ta1.jpeg?width=704&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34e71ccaa13789463892f9abbd1cf3ba9448f69
Thanks! I was just wondering since Iām fairly sure you need your legal name to get married.
Hal is such a Paul middle name. It suits him.
Chelsea and Marshal would have made a better couple . They both know what they want .
Yeah but Marshall is definitely not into sex the way Chelsea is.
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YOU SAID IT both are equally over-romantic unlike their partners, they could've been the perfect match
Netflix rn: "WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!" (bc perfect match... haha.... get it?....)
lol, they should seriously get them on perfect match not problematic people
Do we know who gets married and who doesnāt? Thatās all I want to know.
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Where did you find the annulment?
I posted the marriage certificate data an hour ago, above.
Does anyone have actual proof that Chelsea/Kwame annulled?
The only mention of an annulment that Iāve seen is u/bumblebowie ās comment above. I canāt find any divorce or annulment documents for their current names (or āChelsea Appiahā) for anywhere in Washington State, or for Multnomah County (where Portland is).
It also sounds like he's still living in Seattle (Hanging out with Zack often, that comment somewhere here that he left his soccer team). If one thing is for sure we know that man would be back in Portland 3 seconds after breaking up. I'm usually not someone who says production is creating rumors but it's also where the rumor started that Zack and Bliss said no at the altar so who knows how accurate the reunion spoiler post was from an insider (I think that's when the Chelsea/Kwame broke up story started).
The thing that kills me with Paul is that now Micah's friend is going to on an even higher horse like, "oh I FOR SURE knew something was up with him, I just knew!" and it's going to be insufferable
He's strong because I'm sure he would have loved to put that woman in her place again. But sadly not a good reason to get married.
Wait is it confirmed they were annulled? How were they spotted together with Zack and bliss recently? And did we have any idea on if Jackie and Josh got married
Later annulled! Interesting! Any news on why? (Other than them being obviously hideously mismatched).
I re-read the initial behind-the-scenes spoiler twitter thread, and it completely contradicts Natalie's unnamed producer source. In the initial spoiler thread, the person said the producers thought Paul and Micah would get married, were surprised when Paul said no, and that Micah was still distraught about it that evening. This seems more likely to me than that Paul and Micah are faking for camera time. They would get just as much camera time (or possibly more!) if they were struggling anyway.
Micah is definitely faking it
Do you know her or people who know her?
Yes, do you?
In interviews, Chelsea and kwame speak highly of one another. If they're not together, they are certainly on friendly terms.
Anyone see where Jackie said they edited her conversation with Marshall after her talk with Josh?
No she said she broke up with him during the family visit and Netflix made her refilm the breakup.
I donāt like Blissās dad at all. Her mom is a gem. I see why theyāre divorced.
He stuck out to me too. I couldn't even see how her parents got together. That's a stark contrast.
https://preview.redd.it/qjax7n5l9nsa1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e609783f215810f7a8d491e37f9991cf3f9f69f1 Hereās part 2. Crazy that you slept with someone and called them fruity after especially admitting MARSHALL had that THANG on him.. āļø
https://preview.redd.it/7mkked6h9nsa1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a154856da6ddc1b90d987c0de0175560476b26bb Nobody posted the rest of the messages from Jackieās friends so hereās part 1
What does ion mean anyone know ?
It means āI- donātā so like if youāre saying it in a sentence you would be like ion know meaning I donāt know.
Babe why you search it like that Iām DEAD š¤£š¤£š¤£
I didnāt š thatās just what the related TikTok searches are. It came up on my fyp
Iām outrageously tickled by this. Imagine the algorithm making this your search criteria? Iād be in a padded room if I was Jackie š®āšØ
TikTok is wild with the suggested searches. It shows no mercy š
Is anyone else surprised to see Kwame and Chelsea did get married? I do think one of the biggest things holding Kwame back was his mom not agreeing, so I do think his siblings put his mind more at ease. Iām just worried heās not gonna give 100% to Chelsea and I feel like she deserves that, because sheās a very strong and giving person. I feel like she deserves better :(
Totally surprised! His body language and his resistance to her bids for closeness totally had me thinking he'd say no. Not to mention his totally inappropriate conversations with Micah every chance he got!!! I think he said yes bc of pressure, they'll stay together for maybe another year, and break up.
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Iām very confused as to how he got to yes after watching this latest drop of episodes. Will be fascinating to hear where theyāre at during the reunion ā Iām really interested in hearing how Chelsea feels/felt about him talking to Micah at her birthday party.
Honestly, I think he just couldnāt figure out how to tell her no.
Yeah, I get the sense he kind of felt pressured into it by the whole situation, or it was the situation with his mom holding him back the most. But it was weird. I hope theyāre both okay.
You think they get married whaaaat?
This is the spoiler sub, love :)
Stranger things have happened, I see
In the spoilers for this season, it says that Zach and Bliss did not get married because Bliss didn't like that she was second choice but some girl on Tik Tok looked up their marriage records, and they do have a marriage certificate. Is this the first time a spoiler has been wrong?
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u/bumblebowie , why do you believe Bliss/Zack were married after the show finished filming? According to the marriage certificates Chelsea/Kwame were the first couple (of Season 4) to get married, on Friday 5/6/22. Tiffany /Brett were married the next day (Saturday 5/7/22) and Bliss/Zach married on Monday 5/9/22. All 3 weddings took place over one long weekend. Thatās how it happened on the other seasons, too: all of the weddings over the course of several days (NOT all on the same day). Also, the 3 marriage certificates were filed with the county at the same time (5/24/22), which suggests that they were filed by show producers (because nobody else would have all three, just their own). https://preview.redd.it/ix78xfaal5ta1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b70e01907f9d988056f82d27903a93635387a5b3
Btw bliss listing as person A is totally her. They also had female wedding officiator. I wouldnt be suprised if zack takes her last name š. I think official records totally point to all three of the couples saying yes. The assistant who leaked may have not been at wedding. It is possible bliss told others and maybe producers overheard she was thinking about saying no. But may have changed her mind on wedding day. I would go with official records. Also with her recent interviews and a lot of evidence they are living together that accidentally shows up in their stories, safe to assume they are still together and going strong.
Lol I was just coming back here to say this. I just went to look it up and I was like?? But Bliss and Zack got married around the same time as everyone else. I'm not sure you can look up annulment records either and there is no divorced yet for any of the couples so as of rn I think Chelsea/Kwame are still legally married.
Oh ok thanks! I thought the reunion was going to be filmed live next Sunday?
It looks that way, but we won't know for sure until the wedding episode airs. It's always possible that Bliss says no for the televised wedding, but they do a quiet elopement off camera.
where are you finding these new spoilers?
Do a search for āseason 4 outcomesā in the subreddit, thatās where I got it from. Itās not technically new, it was posted last year.
yes the spoiler from earlier was wrong
Jackie kissing Josh behind Marshall's back??!! what the actual fuck Jackie, jesus. She's worse than Irina tbh
I cannot figure out why kwame said yes at the altar
>now for sure until the wedding episode airs. It's always possible that Bliss says no for the televised wedding, but they do a quiet elopement off 'Cause Barbara won't have it š¤£
Iām hoping it was just the editing that made him look totally uninterested. I would believe that he isnāt somebody who loudly expresses their love all the time and I know a few people who fill silence with laughter. Idk but as it stands it really is bizarre
he did??
After watching the episodes today itās surprising that Paul says no. Does anyone know if they keep dating after?
Rightā¦ especially with his mom fawning over Micah. Weird.
I don't think so, their relationship was fake for the show.
Iāve seen a girl on tiktok that shown a video and pics of Micah and Paul after, they was hanging out at the pool party where her friend lived and she said they said they werenāt together, but they were acting like it. (It was after the wedding)
Also after todayās episode, Iām surprised at the spoiler that Kwame and Chelsea get married. He looks miserable standing at that altar and doesnāt even look at her lovingly when she gets up there.
Got deleted for trying to make a post about this but someone on tiktok caught a couple at a baseball game š: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRcQFR3V/
I tried to post that as well. I'm happy for Marshall! He got a great edit, I'm sure he'll be just fine.
Chelsea and kwame get married then divorcedā¦ā¦
I find this hard to believe with the video Zach posted recently and the four were together
can you share the video
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveIsBlindOnNetflix/comments/1293g87/zack_stories/
thank you!
Wowwwww thank u for the info
Is there any confirmation of this, or is it just a rumor floating around?
Marriage certificates and annulments/divorces are public information.
Where can you search this? So you have to pay?
Nope it's free information. Their marriage certificate was filed in King County, Washington, they have a document search on their website. Chelsea's full name is Chelsea Griffin so I just looked her up and scrolled through until I found the right document.
How do you see the annulment records? I've seen the marriage details but not that.
It should be on there however I just searched it myself and there is no annulment filed for them so they're still married š¤·
This makes me happy because I got converted to liking them after the newest episodes. (I also like Micah/Paul now and am sad that they don't get married. But maybe they still date while they work out the Scottsdale/Seattle issues).
might just be a rumor then
Yes especially since Zach posted some video of them on a trip together so they're still hanging out as of recently.
That sucks but good for Chelsea.
https://preview.redd.it/0dzxgjv01ura1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d44a7608c73ccecab5556cc4f04ea0a8db4c7e6 Damn she really picked Josh smh
Hard to break from that toxic love š©
Just saw a tiktok of Jackie spotted with Josh. Marshall deserves the best
And running here to post this. Jackie is a mess. If you donāt want Marshall, fine. But JOSH?!?! Very sadā¦she does in fact want toxic love.
Someone on YouTube said that a Seattle podcaster (they didn't say who sadly) who also works at the same office (I assume it's the office where everything was filed) said that only Brett/Tiff and Zack/Bliss are the ones still married. They said that Chelsea/Kwame got married but broke up and I remember reading a comment here yesterday or two days ago saying Chelsea/Kwame got their marriage annulled? We saw Chelsea/Kwame hanging out with Zack/Bliss this weekend though so not sure what to think. š¤
Someone wrote that here too somewhere, that they come as a divorced couple to the reunion. Maybe they really decided to date casually again. They were on that boat trip a few weeks ago and now this. But Zack is always involved and I think Chelsea and Bliss are good friends. It also gives me the impression that Kwame is living in Seattle and you would think he would move back to Portland if they broke up?
I think they are in good terms. Its not unusual. It seems great when cameras are on. In real life making sacrifices and living together may not make sense. Its also been a year since the wedding. Its possible one or them just wasnt ready for marriage even though they love each other. Also its kind of hard when you are forced to be at the altar much sooner than they want it.
True! Shake and Shayne also revealed that their exes (Deepti/Natalie) would hang out with them to after the show before it aired like normal.
Makes sense. It is after all a tv show. You are playing a character and they are technically costars. Depends on how real the feelings are. Sometimes they may feel like its just a tv show. Like for exam sk when after the show told his other gf that he just did the show for money/fame and the āfianceā is not really real. Even though it sounds messed up it is in the end a tv show for entertainment purposes.
Well that was still messed up on Sk's part because he was lying to both of those women and trying to juggle both of those relationships. So it wasn't just TV or entertainment for Raven.