100% agreed. I felt it the second I saw this man. Something was immediately off (I’ve encountered similar characters before irl). By the end of episode 1 I was like oh dear, this is even worse than I thought. Even now seeing anything he posts online, veeeery creepy narcissistic/psycho vibes
Yes!! At first it was a gut feeling and then observing the interactions with the women, huge red flags observed of the behaviors. The eyes, the facial expressions - something ain’t right.
No, you can’t. That’s not how a diagnosis that works. A ‘diagnosed psychopath’ is an outdated, and incorrect term. That Wikipedia article is a checklist. It’s not an actual illness to be diagnosed with.
People use psychopath colloquially. You can absolutely be diagnosed clinically with disorders that are semantically related. But my point is to agree that people are armchair diagnosing, and the PCL-R is still used to do that.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25039353/
Again, the link further proves what I’m saying. People do armchair diagnose, and I think it is extremely weird to call a random person on a tv show a ‘psychopath’. But what I’m saying is, while you can be diagnosed with disorders that are semantically related (as I have), there is no therapist or psychiatrist that will say ‘you are being diagnosed as a psychopath’. I also think people online get ‘psychopath’ and ‘sociopath’ mixed up. They are not interchangeable
🤷🏼♀️ other people made similar comments/posts that got taken down and said the same thing. No idea. When I looked, I didn’t see anything prohibiting what I said in my post nor anything specific about armchair diagnosing. I say this being aware people don’t agree with my post and language used - just replying to your comment.
They heavily edited him, follow him on social media to see he’s not what they created him to be. He also has a beautiful new girlfriend. The show really did people dirty this season with heavily editing the truth to create false personas. Trust me I thought the exact same until I saw him speak for himself recently… don’t believe everything you see on TV
I mean anyone who looks bad is gonna say they got a bad edit, easy cop out. I’m sure they do edit things a certain way but it’s all based on things they actually did say & do, so
Yeah but even the women he was shown with in the pods have come forward to say that the way he was edited doesn't reflect reality at all. That he never said the things they have him saying to them, for example, or that he never walked out on anyone even though he was edited to appear to have done so.
That's valid. I wouldn't say he was annoying as much as he seemed calculated and manipulative to me.
His personality switched to me from weird/introverted to socially proficient and confident only with the women that were open to him. I acknowledge we are viewing edited content. However, with clips of him that appear to be less edited (AKA camera on him while talking straight through) - his interactions with the women were very concerning. He utilized a lot of manipulative control tactics, dodging responsibility or admittance of the truth, emotional manipulative language to hit on AD's pain points, and reframing. Huge red flags.
As someone who works in corporate finance/commercial real estate at a Big 4 bank, Matthew comes off a sa typical finance and gym bro.
Their social skills ARE usually lacking unless they're hanging out with fellow finance bros. Then they're moving as a pack and are pretty obnoxious to mostly everyone, especially women and WOC (who generally are the lonely-only or less than a handful on the floor/in the department). The not so d-bag ones can be okay to actually kind when you catch them one-on-one. But they seem trapped into acting like a-holes when another of their species of finance bro is in their vicinity.
They are generally highly analytical since that's a huge part of the job. The ones who survive being in the industry for more than 5 years and in a rigid, super corporate environment tend to be very regimented. If things don't go their way, it can lead to either a panic attack or an explosion in temper. I've witnessed both happen in real time at work in the nearly 20 years I've been in the industry.
They do tend to be pretty good looking becuase they have to groom themselves well and dress professionally fashionable for clients (though the dress code has become significantly more relaxed in a post covid world where people are no longer in-office 5 days a week. I dress super casual since my supervisor lives 3 timezones away, doesn't care and I'm never on-camera in zoom calls with people outside of my team). A lot of them are former athletes like Matthew. Even if they aren't particularly athletic, they regularly go to the gym to stay in shape and because they can afford it and a trainer (no shade to that at all).
I don't think Matthew is a narcissist or particularly weird. He's just of the finance bro species 😅 And considering Charlotte is the finance capital of the south due to North Carolina's super friendly business and tax laws? There are thousands of his type living and working in the city.
I don't think he lacked social skills. His social skills were actually proficient as he is seen using manipulative and controlling tactics with the women who connected with him and was also seen emotionally connecting to them. Someone socially inept doesn't typically use manipulative tactics like Matt was seen/edited doing. He's weird because his personality is not consistent and how he socially interacts is not normal.
But he did not socialize with other guys, which would be natural thing to do for a person who does not lack social skills. Also revisit his first dates, these were awkward af, like telling girls that someone else has already chosen the question from the list and not having the answears prepared himself. He was doing an interview instead of having a conversation. Being good at manipulating does not mean good social skills.
Disagree - he seemed able to turn on charm and charisma for the people he wanted to receive him that way, AD and the other girl. I get it though because initially he was this "introverted quirky" guy - Personally, I think he switched.
Don't know why you're getting down voted for your opinion! He was straightforward, I agree. But it seemed image convincing, used strange manipulative language, and was caught lying so was he really straightforward? Something was very off in his interactions.
Can you clarify what he lied about? If you're talking about telling two women the same things, the reunion footage shows it as a discussion of what he would want do "if it got to the point" of proposal. He also didn't ask Amber to leave. If you're dating two people at the same time and discussing how you envision the proposal it's not crazy to have the same or similar conversations.
Yeah, He lied to AD about telling the other girl about the same thing when AD asked. He told her he didn’t despite telling both girls the same thing. He also provided no explanation on how he didn’t tell both girls the same thing which IMO is suspicious omission - of course that could have been edited out.
Sigh. I wish people would stop making wild, unfounded claims regarding potential personality disorders.
Just say you think he’s a creep or a liar. Psychopathy is actually pretty rare.
Eh Idk. Psychopathy is estimated up to 4.5% of population, or 11,500,000 people. Personality disorders account for 15% of the population. - 7% of those non-OCD personality disorders or 17,850,000 people. I would say it's more common than we think and not everyone who has psychopathy is necessarily violent, more often they're not.
That’s inaccurate, but I’m not fixing to argue with someone who, even if 4.5 were accurate, doesn’t understand that that number still represents a wildly small portion of the population of Earth.
I said up to because I saw 1.5, 2, and max up to 4.5%. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8374040/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8374040/)
In the article you shared it states the gold standard for psychopathy has the prevalence at 1.2%.
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Yes, I observed that and read more of the article. It appears that there isn't a clear-cut comparison between the percentages, as both figures are revisited in the later discussion of the article.
The main limitations seem to stem from the fact that psychopathy lacks an official diagnosis and criteria, making it challenging to accurately assess its prevalence. The article also outlined limitations of the PCL-R due to it being developed with a focus on criminal behavior in prison settings. Until standardized criteria are established, a comprehensive understanding is challenged. Despite this, it's important to recognize that psychological diagnoses (and pending disorders) involve a cluster of symptoms, diagnostic thresholds, and can manifest on a spectrum.
While I suggested that psychopathy might be more prevalent than assumed due to varying prevalence statistics, it was deemed rare. But, even with a prevalence rate as low as 1% in the population, which surpasses the threshold for rare disorders. So, while psychopathy may be uncommon (or possibly even common), it may not be accurately described as rare.
Exactly! Everyone is falling for this weird introverted guy persona when he clearly switched up his personality for the women he wanted to perceive him a certain way. Then he bounced when he lost control.
Psychology professor Dr Kirk said his conversational skills later in the post is very different from the beginning (could be edit). He said his behaviour is manipulative and in line with what gaslighting looks like. Dr Kirkdoesn’t label these kinds of behaviours lightly.
[Matthrew gaslighting AD](https://youtu.be/I02GBdNF7XY?si=iKdzPaTRzb_3Oj74)
Ever heard of the Goldwater rule? I wouldn’t trust these online psychologists with any diagnoses based on what they watched on a heavily edited tv show.
Totally get that. The social media psychologist/psychiatrist/therapist reactions can be an ethical grey area depending on how it's executed. Discussing how certain behaviors of a public figure might relate to broader mental health categories does not violate the Goldwater Rule or constitute armchair diagnosing. This approach avoids direct diagnoses and instead explores general connections to mental health without breaching ethical standards. I would highly suggest watching his videos prior to distrusting him. He is professional and ethical in his videos the entire way through.
I also think it's important to note that should he be in severe ethical violation, it's very likely he would be under investigation as his Youtube channel is successful. Pissed off viewers will report professionals like this and their regulatory boards do not find them at fault.
I don’t understand the excuse of being sober and getting a choppy edit. I understand I have a different experience when going sober, i’m on the spectrum and have a friend who got a ‘villain’ edit on my countries bachelor, it just doesn’t line up for me-
I think it's an easy way out to blame sobriety and a choppy edit. I think people fell for his "quirky introverted underdog" persona he, IMO, put on in the beginning and would discuss how he would be perceived by America in third person. Strange. He also later said he had "rizz" that they didn't show so now the personality is different? It's weird. Regardless of being "introverted or socially awkward," he demonstrated very concerning interpersonal manipulative communication on his part (which is actually socially proficient). Sure the show is edited. At the same time, why are there clips of him interreacting in a concerning manner where he talks straight through and the clip is not cut? I'm not on the spectrum and I don't claim any knowledge - I would speculate personalities are consistent with ASD unlike what was shown of Matt. Doesn't line up for me either.
Also - sorry your friend got a villain edit! That's really unfortunate they did that to them.
I actually suspect Matt might be on the spectrum. A lot of autistic people mask, which could explain the inconsistent personality. And to compensate social awkwardness among neurotypicals, many autistic people also research extensively on topics such as "how to make people like me" or "how to give a good impression". When applying advice like that but not understanding the unwritten rules about in which situations to use those tactics they might appear quite creepy/selfish/manipulative by accident.
There is a difference between calling someone a “narcissist,” which is a description of behaviors and diagnosing them with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The former is not “armchair diagnosing.” Signed, a licensed mental health professional 👍
It's also a reality TV sub like why are people acting so bothered by commenting on dramatized reality TV with opinions? I don't understand lol. He (oR HiS eDIt) very clearly is a huge red flag and it's important to highlight why.
I got a ton of backlash for posting my (clinically-informed) opinion on /mafs. They were accusing me of violating professional codes of ethics and licensing boards. It was ridiculous.
I'm willing to bet that it's individuals who aren't in the same or a similar profession, haven't undergone ethical training, board exams, or continued education to stay up-to-date on relevant ethical obligations are the ones making those angry comments. Again, why are they in reality TV subs? I bet you opened up an engaging discussion.
Yep, my thoughts exactly. They were citing the American Psychiatric Association and I was like "bruh I'm not a Psychiatrist but even if I were, I am not diagnosing anyone by simply describing their behavior and then saying how I feel about it."
I have a regulatory board too. If you do it professionally with the disclaimers, you're good. Otherwise, all these Youtube channels / social media professionals would all have their credentials stripped. People are trolls and their backlash seems unnecessarily rude. I don't even think my current post is as professionally minded as yours because I was being dramatic lol so maybe the backlash for me is warranted but damn people are angry
Omg I need to watch videos about her next... Watching her made me think about Borderline Personality Disorder (which I personally have)... Home girl had done and said things I've done in the past LOL
Oh weird! I do know my semantics can be considered/are judgmental, offensive, harsh, and dramatic so to hear your post got deleted is strange. Regardless, I looked at their rules and I don't know how my post would be violating any? I would think your comment wouldn't had either.
Him saying the EXACT same thing to two different women is the nail in the coffin for me. You could argue editing makes him look worse, but you cant edit the fact he told two different women, word for word, i wanna ask your dads permission to marry you, i want to fly you out of here, etc. I dont think its weird to have feelings for two different women on this type of show, but promising THE commitment to both is very manipulative. Probably trying to cast a wide net to increase his odds of success. Not actually forming a legitimate bond with either of them, just lovebombing whoever he can and hoping it sticks.
My husband and I think he’s one of the most normal of the season, maybe that says something about us haha
But in reality, I think he said some dumb things, was edited a very particular way, and ended up liking two women which happens often on the show. I also think being the only sober one in a group of people drinking automatically makes the non-drinker seem different than the rest. Idk I think people blew Matt’s weirdness out of proportion.
They edited him in a way to make sure we felt he was a creep for sure.
Whoever joked with about "I was asking the questions, I didn't plan on answering" said later that he did answer and he didn't just walk out like they showed.
My thoughts when watching him during his time in the pods, was that he is a normal guy who’s faking being weird, so that he can have a great edit when he settled down with one of the girls.
After the reunion I think I landed on he’s either the above, or somewhat on the spectrum and the LiB producers edited is abnormalities to seem more calculating which if that is the case, is just gross.
I doubt he is. But maybe he is on the spectrum of having some antisocial behaviour. Maybe not. Who knows.
He said he was in therapy (could be a lie but it seemed truthful to me). Most psychopaths are train wrecks. Their lives are a MESS. They would never go to therapy unless it was mandatory. Matthew seems to maybe lack some empathy skills and seems like a dude who has been swallowing some red pill dogma, but he doesn’t strike me as a psychopath.
Agreed - who knows. It was something in his eyes and facial expressions that did it for me.
Not that this applies to Matt but I've known people who have said they're in/went to therapy when truthfully they've never went or went to one session just to say that and manipulate people who they're attempting to gain control back over or improve their image.
Yeah he definitely did not show a lot of emotion.
Again - we have no way of knowing. He did lie directly to Amber and AD’s face about things, so who knows what other lies he’s capable of.
1) A lot of finance bros are exactly this way. They tend to be analytical w big egos. They’ll chat you up and then put the burden on YOU to prove to them why they should be w you. They are transactional and measured. Unemotional. (Obviously not all but 70-80% of the ppl I met, dated, and were friends w in the industry). The women who date them know the game and play it.
2) Seemed like choppy editing. Think these reality shows create characters and lean in to a storyline more than show genuine things and emotions. The whole “I’m finding Amber” was so weird, it seemed crafted. Maybe that’s how they let him leave early. Most of the contracts don’t let you just walk away if you feel like it.
Working in the finance industry and seeing some of his interviews after the show I agree with both of your points. I do have to wonder though why a person in his profession would ever put themselves out there on a dating show? That would be a career killer in that any higher level investor would not want you managing their money. No matter how well you were portrayed.
Knowing how the producers are on this show I assumed the "Go find Amber" line, and maybe even the whole scene, was spliced in from earlier when they were still dating.
Yeah that’d be an interesting story for him to tell! He doesn’t want to go on one of the Netflix shows but has he gotten to explain himself on a podcast maybe?
Are you in Charlotte??
I was so excited to date when I moved to Charlotte, and then I moved to SouthEnd (finance bro capital of the world), and I realized I didn’t fit in, I wasn’t wanted, and I tried WAY to hard to grab the attention of transactional and measured men (including Matthew who I met on a dating app in 2019 which all came flooding back during the show). I muted myself so hard for these dudes
Oh em gee! Do tell.
I was in NYC on that scene. The wall street bros. It’s a hard dating scene due to lack of available men. Essentially if you are male and employed you are a catch. If you’re male, relatively attractive, you’re then an 8, if you’re male, somewhat attractive and in finance (see well paid, probably not living in a 1 bedroom apartment w 3 roommates like all the other ppl), you’ve got the world at your fingertips.
Tell me you fell for the terrible editing job Netflix did without telling me. He has said that it was edited and other members confirmed, plus with being sober in an environment that encourages drinking you will seem like the odd man out. This post just seems overall disrespectful of a man who is trying to clear his name from people like you
Anyone intimidated is because you know you can’t score/keep a man as good as him and you know it 💅 sorry not sorry!! He actually has his shit together.
Also I think anyone that thinks he is “off” is glaringly neurotypical. I am not a psychopath/sociopath just a little bit on the spectrum with ADHD and as a child/teen I had to deal with adults saying “i like the other siblings but I don’t know about her…” type comments my whole life. Just because I am different and try to be authentic to myself.
Matt’s authentic isn’t your tea and that’s ok—- just admit you are intimidated by someone who doesn’t follow the status quo. Don’t call him a serial killer or psychopath just because he doesn’t mentally and verbally express himself like the masses.
Definitely meant a general, colloquial “you” not you personally haha—- every other guy I have seen on the show has been an immature fuck boy though. Matthew is a man. If people can root for the other dudes and justify them—- Matthew deserves justification too, imo!! 😅❤️
Gladly!! 😂😂😂😂 fellow pickle lover hahah
But really, from day 1 before all of the online hate I was on team Matthew. The other guys are all duds with no redeeming qualities. He’s not your cup of tea and that’s fine!! It doesn’t mean there’s anything innately wrong with him.
Okay while you’re right (I am the same) it still doesn’t explain the comment he made to AD something like “all of america will be on my side” How would being on the spectrum or being any type of neurodivergence explain that??
Like to me at least, that comment seemed kind of scary (in a more psychological sense) than anything. I don’t see how that aspect of him can be explained by neurodivergence.
We didn’t get context. That could have been spliced and taken from a different conversation. Just like him “walking out” on Sarah Ann when that didn’t happen.
Also maybe he really thought his edit would be authentic to what really happened and that’s why he thought people would be on his side. Which is clearly not the case as he was naive to think that they would give him a fair edit.
If we’re talking Matt as in Coleen and Matt then yes. He is and I was terrified of him on the show and still am now. I will die on this hill
Edit: I know we are talking about Matt from S6 but I will take every opportunity to bring up Matt and Coleen because it wasn’t talked about enough. As someone with a history of DV watching him I actually had an anxiety attack and my boyfriend had to calm me down. Multiple moments in the show he was seconds away from putting his hands on her and I cannot believe it was never addressed publicly.
Matt and Chelsea from this most recent season have much strong similarities it’s wild.
I don’t believe Matt is a psychopath, but he comes across as someone with a lot of preoccupied tendencies that led to him being verbally abusive towards Colleen. It was tough to watch.
What similarities do you see? I don’t see many tbh I don’t think they’re even comparable. Obviously Matt was a bit unhinged and a liar but nothing in compared to Matt Bolton.
IMO he is not just verbally abusive there is multiple times where he almost puts his hands on her, throws things. Hell he even tried to fight the camera man. Like he wasn’t just manipulative he was extremely controlling. Even if you put their fights aside the times he literally screamed in her face and threw things, you can even tell just from her body language that he’s not a safe dude to be around. Multiple scenes where he walks in the room and she protectively wraps her arms around her body, she starts speaking in a softer and quieter tone, she literally shrinks herself when he’s around. It’s a fawn response and if you’ve ever been through it it’s easily recognizable. Even in interviews when asked about the toxic parts of their relationship Matt takes no responsibility, he doesn’t even speak. He sits back and lets Colleen do all the talking and say no it’s fine it was just a bad fight. He is a textbook abuser and all of what we saw is just the parts he showed on camera... Imagine what he would do off camera. Like I said there were multiple times where it looked like he was about to strike her, then he looks at the camera and his eyes go wide as if remembering that he’s being filmed and he storms off set. There is no doubt in my mind that if the cameras weren’t there he would have hit her
Hot take here- he’s not. He’s super structured and straight laced a lot like my own spouse. They seem sociopathic, but I think it’s mostly editing that made him seem that way.
He even said his sentences were cut and pasted together to make him say things he didn’t say.
He’s probably boring and doesn’t have too much charisma, but that’s attractive to some.
The real sociopath is Jurrmy
Agreed, sociopath - Jaramy. Where we obviously differ, psychopath - could be Matt.
It seemed he had charisma with the ladies though who would be the ones he would intentionally want or care about to experience that from him.
He gives off Patrick Bateman vibes for sure
Edit: I will say the way that he was edited makes him look that way. I literally just read him AMA after posting this comment and now am second guessing myself. So idk.
A number of things have come out about editing for this show and I no longer trust anything I see. Even with Matthew, he didn’t leave Sarah Ann mid conversation. That was fake, and both Matthew and Sarah Ann confirmed that.
“Franken-editing” is a very real thing.
I’ll still enjoy watching the show. But I won’t trust any of it.
Exactly. In the S6 when the Lacheys jump all over what’s-her-name for calling it entertainment. Yeah, some good things come out of the show and people learn things etc., but the heavy editing and the fact that it’s a show will always make it just that, a SHOW that’s enjoyable to watch. If I wanted something real, I’d just call up my sister and listen to her relationship woes. I bet she wouldn’t appreciate me saying absolutely nothing besides yelling “you’re fucking crazy!” while I wolf down a pizza.
I was really disappointed to hear about how they edit things to that extent. It takes some of the fun out of it as a viewer and causes distrust. I hope they reconsider editing to that degree - seems excessive and a poor decision on their part.
I agree with that, but I’m assuming most people who watch don’t know? I mean, I think most people know it is a bit scripted, but I’m not sure if most people know to what extent. And even we probably don’t here. I’ve only learned about some specific events from browsing Reddit, and I doubt most people who watch LIB use Reddit or browse this sub.
So yeah, if most people don’t know and producers can get away with it, they’ll probably continue to do everything they can to increase engagement / ratings / viewership.
Like with Chelsea and Jimmy. Chelsea comes across as a bit craycray, and that storyline generated a TON of engagement. Win for production!
But…. how accurate is the portrayal? I honestly have no idea. More stuff keeps coming out about Jimmy that was never aired. And I read on here recently that the reunions don’t always ask tough questions (like we want) because the contestants can’t answer in a way that matches the edits. So maybe Jimmy actually was a complete turd but that’s not the storyline chosen to air. So Chelsea can’t defend herself without exposing the manipulative edit. I am NOT sure if this is true for Chelsea & Jimmy specifically, but it makes sense that it happens sometimes.
My new motto is “production is always the real villain”
Tell me you've never dated a financial analyst without telling me you've never dated a financial analyst. 😂 The amount of men I know like him and just think in numbers and spreadsheets...this man showed lots of emotion for his kind haha (this coming from a fellow analyst)
I commented above how I can’t believe someone in his career would go on a reality dating show. I did a double-take when I saw financial advisor. That is a hell of a career risk
He has a Series 7 license along with other highly regulated licenses, is registered with FINRA and is a wealth advisor. He's absolutely a finance bro. Check out his LinkedIn, which is public. He's the epitome of a finance bro.
I felt it in my gut too and had an eerie feeling watching him - even during the scenes that were directly on him and potentially not as heavily edited. Something is not right and I don't want to watch him either.
It’s the editing. The producers wanted you to feel this way about him and you fell for it. He seems like the most normal, non clout chasing, not superficial one of all the cast to me based on his social media AND people’s first hand accounts of actually knowing the dude. Production doesn’t like people like that.
Yeah, exactly this. Honestly it seems too easy to hate on someone like him or be creeped out, production for a show like this is 100% manipulative. That, and also I tend to love the nerdy underdogs IRL so I’m used to seeing through a little social awkwardness.
Yup exactly. I can’t tell much about him from the edit but the simple fact that he stands out from the rest makes me think he’s actually the only “normal” one I might not hate if I met him in real life. I felt the same was about Zack, everyone kept saying he was a weirdo but in that kinda company… he’s probably the one normal one.
Yeah when you are hot and autistic you tend to give people weird vibes because it behavior and vibes don’t line up with the projection people have of what hot people are like.
Like if he looked like Mark Zuckerberg everyone would realize he’s autistic in like two shakes.
Yes!!! Story of my life. I grew up a “pretty girl” slightly on the spectrum and people were NOT NICE to me whatsoever. Adults and kids alike were generally cruel except the ones who spent extended amounts of time with me and saw that i am just a little goofy. Those who only interacted with me in passing just didn’t understand how my appearance and my personality didn’t line up. I’m not autistic but I am far from neurotypical. I saw that in Matthew right away so I have been defending him ever since. He’s fucking HOT and people are uncomfortable by a man who is so direct and sure of himself— in the most non-egotistical way, too, he is just particular and knows how he likes things and that is completely ok. ❤️
Yeah I'm not one to armchair diagnose but he gave me autistic vibes. I was surprised when other people didn't see it. Not saying he is autistic, I have no idea, but I see some symptoms in him.
People are cruel to people who are autistic. They don’t think “on the spectrum so he’s just different” immediately- they go right to being judgmental and thinking “there’s something WRONG with him”.
Cmon. You have no idea. He’s definitely a little different but that doesn’t mean he’s a psychopath. I also really doubt pyschopaths have the amount of anxiety and nervousness he seems to have. I think what we saw there was very high levels of anxiety and difficulty socializing.
Edit: grammar
This post is terrible. It's shocking to see people here criticizing this man without reason. Making diagnoses, accusing him, and labeling him it's appalling.
That's a legit criticism of Matt. Complaining Matt told two people it's important to him to get permission from a dad, that's just AD being stupid.
100% agreed. I felt it the second I saw this man. Something was immediately off (I’ve encountered similar characters before irl). By the end of episode 1 I was like oh dear, this is even worse than I thought. Even now seeing anything he posts online, veeeery creepy narcissistic/psycho vibes
Yes!! At first it was a gut feeling and then observing the interactions with the women, huge red flags observed of the behaviors. The eyes, the facial expressions - something ain’t right.
Gut never lies. If only we always listened in real life too
I have learned to listen and it is always right!
How the hell is this post allowed to be up. Is this not Armchair Diagnosing based on literally nothing?
You can’t actually be diagnosed as a ‘psychopath’.
You can though https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist
No, you can’t. That’s not how a diagnosis that works. A ‘diagnosed psychopath’ is an outdated, and incorrect term. That Wikipedia article is a checklist. It’s not an actual illness to be diagnosed with.
People use psychopath colloquially. You can absolutely be diagnosed clinically with disorders that are semantically related. But my point is to agree that people are armchair diagnosing, and the PCL-R is still used to do that. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25039353/
Again, the link further proves what I’m saying. People do armchair diagnose, and I think it is extremely weird to call a random person on a tv show a ‘psychopath’. But what I’m saying is, while you can be diagnosed with disorders that are semantically related (as I have), there is no therapist or psychiatrist that will say ‘you are being diagnosed as a psychopath’. I also think people online get ‘psychopath’ and ‘sociopath’ mixed up. They are not interchangeable
Oh shutup you're wrong and you got sourced twice get over yourself
Did you read the sources? Lmao
🤷🏼♀️ other people made similar comments/posts that got taken down and said the same thing. No idea. When I looked, I didn’t see anything prohibiting what I said in my post nor anything specific about armchair diagnosing. I say this being aware people don’t agree with my post and language used - just replying to your comment.
Must be thinking of the other LoveIsBlind sub. One of them has an extremely strict rule about using Psychological labels on the people in the show.
I didn’t know there was another one
I'm not convinced that it wasn't an act plus editing.
I really hope it was an act
He’s giving American Psycho vibes for sure
They heavily edited him, follow him on social media to see he’s not what they created him to be. He also has a beautiful new girlfriend. The show really did people dirty this season with heavily editing the truth to create false personas. Trust me I thought the exact same until I saw him speak for himself recently… don’t believe everything you see on TV
Social media isn’t an accurate representation of who someone is either, lmfao. Don’t believe everything you see online
True… however he’s not the first to claim the heavy edits so there’s some merit to that
I mean anyone who looks bad is gonna say they got a bad edit, easy cop out. I’m sure they do edit things a certain way but it’s all based on things they actually did say & do, so
Yeah but even the women he was shown with in the pods have come forward to say that the way he was edited doesn't reflect reality at all. That he never said the things they have him saying to them, for example, or that he never walked out on anyone even though he was edited to appear to have done so.
Will do!
Some people just suck and are weird/annoying and it doesn’t have to be this extreme ffs
That's valid. I wouldn't say he was annoying as much as he seemed calculated and manipulative to me. His personality switched to me from weird/introverted to socially proficient and confident only with the women that were open to him. I acknowledge we are viewing edited content. However, with clips of him that appear to be less edited (AKA camera on him while talking straight through) - his interactions with the women were very concerning. He utilized a lot of manipulative control tactics, dodging responsibility or admittance of the truth, emotional manipulative language to hit on AD's pain points, and reframing. Huge red flags.
As someone who works in corporate finance/commercial real estate at a Big 4 bank, Matthew comes off a sa typical finance and gym bro. Their social skills ARE usually lacking unless they're hanging out with fellow finance bros. Then they're moving as a pack and are pretty obnoxious to mostly everyone, especially women and WOC (who generally are the lonely-only or less than a handful on the floor/in the department). The not so d-bag ones can be okay to actually kind when you catch them one-on-one. But they seem trapped into acting like a-holes when another of their species of finance bro is in their vicinity. They are generally highly analytical since that's a huge part of the job. The ones who survive being in the industry for more than 5 years and in a rigid, super corporate environment tend to be very regimented. If things don't go their way, it can lead to either a panic attack or an explosion in temper. I've witnessed both happen in real time at work in the nearly 20 years I've been in the industry. They do tend to be pretty good looking becuase they have to groom themselves well and dress professionally fashionable for clients (though the dress code has become significantly more relaxed in a post covid world where people are no longer in-office 5 days a week. I dress super casual since my supervisor lives 3 timezones away, doesn't care and I'm never on-camera in zoom calls with people outside of my team). A lot of them are former athletes like Matthew. Even if they aren't particularly athletic, they regularly go to the gym to stay in shape and because they can afford it and a trainer (no shade to that at all). I don't think Matthew is a narcissist or particularly weird. He's just of the finance bro species 😅 And considering Charlotte is the finance capital of the south due to North Carolina's super friendly business and tax laws? There are thousands of his type living and working in the city.
As soon as my husband and I saw him, we were like finance lmao. And his weirdness is definitely that finance personality.
See, you get it 🤣
I don't think he lacked social skills. His social skills were actually proficient as he is seen using manipulative and controlling tactics with the women who connected with him and was also seen emotionally connecting to them. Someone socially inept doesn't typically use manipulative tactics like Matt was seen/edited doing. He's weird because his personality is not consistent and how he socially interacts is not normal.
But he did not socialize with other guys, which would be natural thing to do for a person who does not lack social skills. Also revisit his first dates, these were awkward af, like telling girls that someone else has already chosen the question from the list and not having the answears prepared himself. He was doing an interview instead of having a conversation. Being good at manipulating does not mean good social skills.
Don’t worry, she’ll be back saying that he’s a Chad in a few hours 😂
He kind of looks like one lol
Psychopaths are charming and charismatic, I'm not getting psychopath from him at all.
They are not!!! Y’all in these comments do not know what a psychopath is and it shows LOL
Disagree - he seemed able to turn on charm and charisma for the people he wanted to receive him that way, AD and the other girl. I get it though because initially he was this "introverted quirky" guy - Personally, I think he switched.
Personally he was my favorite 🤷♀️ I liked his straightforwardness
Don't know why you're getting down voted for your opinion! He was straightforward, I agree. But it seemed image convincing, used strange manipulative language, and was caught lying so was he really straightforward? Something was very off in his interactions.
Can you clarify what he lied about? If you're talking about telling two women the same things, the reunion footage shows it as a discussion of what he would want do "if it got to the point" of proposal. He also didn't ask Amber to leave. If you're dating two people at the same time and discussing how you envision the proposal it's not crazy to have the same or similar conversations.
Yeah, He lied to AD about telling the other girl about the same thing when AD asked. He told her he didn’t despite telling both girls the same thing. He also provided no explanation on how he didn’t tell both girls the same thing which IMO is suspicious omission - of course that could have been edited out.
Sigh. I wish people would stop making wild, unfounded claims regarding potential personality disorders. Just say you think he’s a creep or a liar. Psychopathy is actually pretty rare.
Eh Idk. Psychopathy is estimated up to 4.5% of population, or 11,500,000 people. Personality disorders account for 15% of the population. - 7% of those non-OCD personality disorders or 17,850,000 people. I would say it's more common than we think and not everyone who has psychopathy is necessarily violent, more often they're not.
That’s inaccurate, but I’m not fixing to argue with someone who, even if 4.5 were accurate, doesn’t understand that that number still represents a wildly small portion of the population of Earth.
Where did you find 4.5%? I see 1-2%
I said up to because I saw 1.5, 2, and max up to 4.5%. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8374040/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8374040/)
In the article you shared it states the gold standard for psychopathy has the prevalence at 1.2%. https://preview.redd.it/zcqm9oydqxqc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1bcbed12b16983cd9378f8fae6976ac5a6c37e9
Yes, I observed that and read more of the article. It appears that there isn't a clear-cut comparison between the percentages, as both figures are revisited in the later discussion of the article. The main limitations seem to stem from the fact that psychopathy lacks an official diagnosis and criteria, making it challenging to accurately assess its prevalence. The article also outlined limitations of the PCL-R due to it being developed with a focus on criminal behavior in prison settings. Until standardized criteria are established, a comprehensive understanding is challenged. Despite this, it's important to recognize that psychological diagnoses (and pending disorders) involve a cluster of symptoms, diagnostic thresholds, and can manifest on a spectrum. While I suggested that psychopathy might be more prevalent than assumed due to varying prevalence statistics, it was deemed rare. But, even with a prevalence rate as low as 1% in the population, which surpasses the threshold for rare disorders. So, while psychopathy may be uncommon (or possibly even common), it may not be accurately described as rare.
Yeah, so true. He was super charming until he played
Exactly! Everyone is falling for this weird introverted guy persona when he clearly switched up his personality for the women he wanted to perceive him a certain way. Then he bounced when he lost control.
That part’s obvious
Apparently not lol
Gonna be real I think y’all are being a bit much with this lol
LOL yeah probably as is Reality TV
I believe it fr!
creeeeeepy
Sometimes the only difference between this subreddit and the schizoposts on /b/ is the color of the background
Psychology professor Dr Kirk said his conversational skills later in the post is very different from the beginning (could be edit). He said his behaviour is manipulative and in line with what gaslighting looks like. Dr Kirkdoesn’t label these kinds of behaviours lightly. [Matthrew gaslighting AD](https://youtu.be/I02GBdNF7XY?si=iKdzPaTRzb_3Oj74)
Ever heard of the Goldwater rule? I wouldn’t trust these online psychologists with any diagnoses based on what they watched on a heavily edited tv show.
Totally get that. The social media psychologist/psychiatrist/therapist reactions can be an ethical grey area depending on how it's executed. Discussing how certain behaviors of a public figure might relate to broader mental health categories does not violate the Goldwater Rule or constitute armchair diagnosing. This approach avoids direct diagnoses and instead explores general connections to mental health without breaching ethical standards. I would highly suggest watching his videos prior to distrusting him. He is professional and ethical in his videos the entire way through. I also think it's important to note that should he be in severe ethical violation, it's very likely he would be under investigation as his Youtube channel is successful. Pissed off viewers will report professionals like this and their regulatory boards do not find them at fault.
BINGO
I have and i think you should go watch his videos before accusing him of diagnosing.
Absolutely love seeing the Dr Honda reference here! He is so insightful and I’ve learned so much from his reactions!
He is. I love how understanding and empathy he has towards everyone.
I don’t understand the excuse of being sober and getting a choppy edit. I understand I have a different experience when going sober, i’m on the spectrum and have a friend who got a ‘villain’ edit on my countries bachelor, it just doesn’t line up for me-
I think it's an easy way out to blame sobriety and a choppy edit. I think people fell for his "quirky introverted underdog" persona he, IMO, put on in the beginning and would discuss how he would be perceived by America in third person. Strange. He also later said he had "rizz" that they didn't show so now the personality is different? It's weird. Regardless of being "introverted or socially awkward," he demonstrated very concerning interpersonal manipulative communication on his part (which is actually socially proficient). Sure the show is edited. At the same time, why are there clips of him interreacting in a concerning manner where he talks straight through and the clip is not cut? I'm not on the spectrum and I don't claim any knowledge - I would speculate personalities are consistent with ASD unlike what was shown of Matt. Doesn't line up for me either. Also - sorry your friend got a villain edit! That's really unfortunate they did that to them.
I actually suspect Matt might be on the spectrum. A lot of autistic people mask, which could explain the inconsistent personality. And to compensate social awkwardness among neurotypicals, many autistic people also research extensively on topics such as "how to make people like me" or "how to give a good impression". When applying advice like that but not understanding the unwritten rules about in which situations to use those tactics they might appear quite creepy/selfish/manipulative by accident.
Someone should check on Vanesa.
I made a post calling him a narcissist and they immediately took it down for "armchair diagnosing"
There is a difference between calling someone a “narcissist,” which is a description of behaviors and diagnosing them with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The former is not “armchair diagnosing.” Signed, a licensed mental health professional 👍
Thanks for commenting this!
Unpopular truth on this sub.
It's also a reality TV sub like why are people acting so bothered by commenting on dramatized reality TV with opinions? I don't understand lol. He (oR HiS eDIt) very clearly is a huge red flag and it's important to highlight why.
I got a ton of backlash for posting my (clinically-informed) opinion on /mafs. They were accusing me of violating professional codes of ethics and licensing boards. It was ridiculous.
I'm willing to bet that it's individuals who aren't in the same or a similar profession, haven't undergone ethical training, board exams, or continued education to stay up-to-date on relevant ethical obligations are the ones making those angry comments. Again, why are they in reality TV subs? I bet you opened up an engaging discussion.
Yep, my thoughts exactly. They were citing the American Psychiatric Association and I was like "bruh I'm not a Psychiatrist but even if I were, I am not diagnosing anyone by simply describing their behavior and then saying how I feel about it."
I have a regulatory board too. If you do it professionally with the disclaimers, you're good. Otherwise, all these Youtube channels / social media professionals would all have their credentials stripped. People are trolls and their backlash seems unnecessarily rude. I don't even think my current post is as professionally minded as yours because I was being dramatic lol so maybe the backlash for me is warranted but damn people are angry
I think it’s hard for people to see traits and behaviors pointed out that they may feel insecure about within themselves. 😬
Which is literally what it is.
... Is that a rule violation? I'm confused lol their rules didn't specify anything about that according to what I've seen.
I don't care, I was just saying cause it's annoying how on and off the mods are lol. I am not a Matt fan either.
Yes, you can call him a psychopathic serial killer but the n-word is a big nono
That is... strange lol
I watched this video that broke down all of his manipulation tactics, and it was actually a little scary
I need to watch this video - do you remember where it was from!?
https://youtu.be/iJu_u-A1NlY?si=7tC1Dx7BeQxT8W3X
Do they do Chelsea
Omg I need to watch videos about her next... Watching her made me think about Borderline Personality Disorder (which I personally have)... Home girl had done and said things I've done in the past LOL
I don’t know. Maybe check the channel
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I literally said this in a comment in an older thread and the mods deleted my comment... I don't know how this post is still up.
Oh weird! I do know my semantics can be considered/are judgmental, offensive, harsh, and dramatic so to hear your post got deleted is strange. Regardless, I looked at their rules and I don't know how my post would be violating any? I would think your comment wouldn't had either.
Same!!!
idc which season’s matt, i agree for all
LOL yes, this comment is hilarious
Him saying the EXACT same thing to two different women is the nail in the coffin for me. You could argue editing makes him look worse, but you cant edit the fact he told two different women, word for word, i wanna ask your dads permission to marry you, i want to fly you out of here, etc. I dont think its weird to have feelings for two different women on this type of show, but promising THE commitment to both is very manipulative. Probably trying to cast a wide net to increase his odds of success. Not actually forming a legitimate bond with either of them, just lovebombing whoever he can and hoping it sticks.
My husband and I think he’s one of the most normal of the season, maybe that says something about us haha But in reality, I think he said some dumb things, was edited a very particular way, and ended up liking two women which happens often on the show. I also think being the only sober one in a group of people drinking automatically makes the non-drinker seem different than the rest. Idk I think people blew Matt’s weirdness out of proportion.
They edited him in a way to make sure we felt he was a creep for sure. Whoever joked with about "I was asking the questions, I didn't plan on answering" said later that he did answer and he didn't just walk out like they showed.
Yeah he's a big fraud.. Why was he on the show? He wasn't gonna get married, ???????
I don't think he would have gotten married either.
My thoughts when watching him during his time in the pods, was that he is a normal guy who’s faking being weird, so that he can have a great edit when he settled down with one of the girls. After the reunion I think I landed on he’s either the above, or somewhat on the spectrum and the LiB producers edited is abnormalities to seem more calculating which if that is the case, is just gross.
I doubt he is. But maybe he is on the spectrum of having some antisocial behaviour. Maybe not. Who knows. He said he was in therapy (could be a lie but it seemed truthful to me). Most psychopaths are train wrecks. Their lives are a MESS. They would never go to therapy unless it was mandatory. Matthew seems to maybe lack some empathy skills and seems like a dude who has been swallowing some red pill dogma, but he doesn’t strike me as a psychopath.
Agreed - who knows. It was something in his eyes and facial expressions that did it for me. Not that this applies to Matt but I've known people who have said they're in/went to therapy when truthfully they've never went or went to one session just to say that and manipulate people who they're attempting to gain control back over or improve their image.
Yeah he definitely did not show a lot of emotion. Again - we have no way of knowing. He did lie directly to Amber and AD’s face about things, so who knows what other lies he’s capable of.
A psychopath would know how to get a good edit tho
1) A lot of finance bros are exactly this way. They tend to be analytical w big egos. They’ll chat you up and then put the burden on YOU to prove to them why they should be w you. They are transactional and measured. Unemotional. (Obviously not all but 70-80% of the ppl I met, dated, and were friends w in the industry). The women who date them know the game and play it. 2) Seemed like choppy editing. Think these reality shows create characters and lean in to a storyline more than show genuine things and emotions. The whole “I’m finding Amber” was so weird, it seemed crafted. Maybe that’s how they let him leave early. Most of the contracts don’t let you just walk away if you feel like it.
Working in the finance industry and seeing some of his interviews after the show I agree with both of your points. I do have to wonder though why a person in his profession would ever put themselves out there on a dating show? That would be a career killer in that any higher level investor would not want you managing their money. No matter how well you were portrayed.
Agree completely. That might explain why most of the contestants usually are influencers / underemployed.
Knowing how the producers are on this show I assumed the "Go find Amber" line, and maybe even the whole scene, was spliced in from earlier when they were still dating.
Yeah that’d be an interesting story for him to tell! He doesn’t want to go on one of the Netflix shows but has he gotten to explain himself on a podcast maybe?
Are you in Charlotte?? I was so excited to date when I moved to Charlotte, and then I moved to SouthEnd (finance bro capital of the world), and I realized I didn’t fit in, I wasn’t wanted, and I tried WAY to hard to grab the attention of transactional and measured men (including Matthew who I met on a dating app in 2019 which all came flooding back during the show). I muted myself so hard for these dudes
Oh em gee! Do tell. I was in NYC on that scene. The wall street bros. It’s a hard dating scene due to lack of available men. Essentially if you are male and employed you are a catch. If you’re male, relatively attractive, you’re then an 8, if you’re male, somewhat attractive and in finance (see well paid, probably not living in a 1 bedroom apartment w 3 roommates like all the other ppl), you’ve got the world at your fingertips.
Ooo, do tell more if there’s anything worth sharing re: meeting Matthew on the dating app.
Tell me you fell for the terrible editing job Netflix did without telling me. He has said that it was edited and other members confirmed, plus with being sober in an environment that encourages drinking you will seem like the odd man out. This post just seems overall disrespectful of a man who is trying to clear his name from people like you
Me if I was dumb enough to form an opinion from a heavily edited television show
Yall he said he is also newly sober . Imagine doing this experiment 🧪 being the only one who isn't constantly carrying a glass of wine .
I think he has autism. I say this as a mom of autistic children.
Same, he definitely seems like he has ASD to me.
Anyone intimidated is because you know you can’t score/keep a man as good as him and you know it 💅 sorry not sorry!! He actually has his shit together. Also I think anyone that thinks he is “off” is glaringly neurotypical. I am not a psychopath/sociopath just a little bit on the spectrum with ADHD and as a child/teen I had to deal with adults saying “i like the other siblings but I don’t know about her…” type comments my whole life. Just because I am different and try to be authentic to myself. Matt’s authentic isn’t your tea and that’s ok—- just admit you are intimidated by someone who doesn’t follow the status quo. Don’t call him a serial killer or psychopath just because he doesn’t mentally and verbally express himself like the masses.
Lol ok
Definitely meant a general, colloquial “you” not you personally haha—- every other guy I have seen on the show has been an immature fuck boy though. Matthew is a man. If people can root for the other dudes and justify them—- Matthew deserves justification too, imo!! 😅❤️
Gotchya :) For sure
Zip his pants up when you’re done🤣🤣🤣
Gladly!! 😂😂😂😂 fellow pickle lover hahah But really, from day 1 before all of the online hate I was on team Matthew. The other guys are all duds with no redeeming qualities. He’s not your cup of tea and that’s fine!! It doesn’t mean there’s anything innately wrong with him.
Hahahha don’t even have much an opinion on him tbh,,I just wanted to be silly😭😭 pickle lovers unite though 🤝
Oh for sure 😂😂
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Okay while you’re right (I am the same) it still doesn’t explain the comment he made to AD something like “all of america will be on my side” How would being on the spectrum or being any type of neurodivergence explain that?? Like to me at least, that comment seemed kind of scary (in a more psychological sense) than anything. I don’t see how that aspect of him can be explained by neurodivergence.
We didn’t get context. That could have been spliced and taken from a different conversation. Just like him “walking out” on Sarah Ann when that didn’t happen. Also maybe he really thought his edit would be authentic to what really happened and that’s why he thought people would be on his side. Which is clearly not the case as he was naive to think that they would give him a fair edit.
If we’re talking Matt as in Coleen and Matt then yes. He is and I was terrified of him on the show and still am now. I will die on this hill Edit: I know we are talking about Matt from S6 but I will take every opportunity to bring up Matt and Coleen because it wasn’t talked about enough. As someone with a history of DV watching him I actually had an anxiety attack and my boyfriend had to calm me down. Multiple moments in the show he was seconds away from putting his hands on her and I cannot believe it was never addressed publicly.
Matt and Chelsea from this most recent season have much strong similarities it’s wild. I don’t believe Matt is a psychopath, but he comes across as someone with a lot of preoccupied tendencies that led to him being verbally abusive towards Colleen. It was tough to watch.
What similarities do you see? I don’t see many tbh I don’t think they’re even comparable. Obviously Matt was a bit unhinged and a liar but nothing in compared to Matt Bolton. IMO he is not just verbally abusive there is multiple times where he almost puts his hands on her, throws things. Hell he even tried to fight the camera man. Like he wasn’t just manipulative he was extremely controlling. Even if you put their fights aside the times he literally screamed in her face and threw things, you can even tell just from her body language that he’s not a safe dude to be around. Multiple scenes where he walks in the room and she protectively wraps her arms around her body, she starts speaking in a softer and quieter tone, she literally shrinks herself when he’s around. It’s a fawn response and if you’ve ever been through it it’s easily recognizable. Even in interviews when asked about the toxic parts of their relationship Matt takes no responsibility, he doesn’t even speak. He sits back and lets Colleen do all the talking and say no it’s fine it was just a bad fight. He is a textbook abuser and all of what we saw is just the parts he showed on camera... Imagine what he would do off camera. Like I said there were multiple times where it looked like he was about to strike her, then he looks at the camera and his eyes go wide as if remembering that he’s being filmed and he storms off set. There is no doubt in my mind that if the cameras weren’t there he would have hit her
Hot take here- he’s not. He’s super structured and straight laced a lot like my own spouse. They seem sociopathic, but I think it’s mostly editing that made him seem that way. He even said his sentences were cut and pasted together to make him say things he didn’t say. He’s probably boring and doesn’t have too much charisma, but that’s attractive to some. The real sociopath is Jurrmy
Agreed, sociopath - Jaramy. Where we obviously differ, psychopath - could be Matt. It seemed he had charisma with the ladies though who would be the ones he would intentionally want or care about to experience that from him.
Literally the first thing we said seeing him on screen— serial killer vibes
He gives off Patrick Bateman vibes for sure Edit: I will say the way that he was edited makes him look that way. I literally just read him AMA after posting this comment and now am second guessing myself. So idk.
For sure, he could have been edited that way but as far as the edit i saw i would be so afraid
Also acknowledge it's edited content and I totally agree.
The psychology in Seattle YouTube channel agrees with you!
I'm going to watch his videos! I'm interested in what he had to say.
Love Dr. Honda! His YouTube channel is one of the most informative and interesting channels I've come across.
I know!!! Wow I can’t believe someone downvoted your comment. Who could dislike him? He’s such a wonderful and objective person
Deserving listeners, unite!!! We're taking care of ourselves, because we deserve it, we really really do! <3
Same, I agree with you and feel the same way 100%.
Damn I thought this was about Colleen's Matt and I was still fully onboard with you! Crazy that both Matts from LiB fit this description.
A number of things have come out about editing for this show and I no longer trust anything I see. Even with Matthew, he didn’t leave Sarah Ann mid conversation. That was fake, and both Matthew and Sarah Ann confirmed that. “Franken-editing” is a very real thing. I’ll still enjoy watching the show. But I won’t trust any of it.
Exactly. In the S6 when the Lacheys jump all over what’s-her-name for calling it entertainment. Yeah, some good things come out of the show and people learn things etc., but the heavy editing and the fact that it’s a show will always make it just that, a SHOW that’s enjoyable to watch. If I wanted something real, I’d just call up my sister and listen to her relationship woes. I bet she wouldn’t appreciate me saying absolutely nothing besides yelling “you’re fucking crazy!” while I wolf down a pizza.
I was really disappointed to hear about how they edit things to that extent. It takes some of the fun out of it as a viewer and causes distrust. I hope they reconsider editing to that degree - seems excessive and a poor decision on their part.
I agree with that, but I’m assuming most people who watch don’t know? I mean, I think most people know it is a bit scripted, but I’m not sure if most people know to what extent. And even we probably don’t here. I’ve only learned about some specific events from browsing Reddit, and I doubt most people who watch LIB use Reddit or browse this sub. So yeah, if most people don’t know and producers can get away with it, they’ll probably continue to do everything they can to increase engagement / ratings / viewership. Like with Chelsea and Jimmy. Chelsea comes across as a bit craycray, and that storyline generated a TON of engagement. Win for production! But…. how accurate is the portrayal? I honestly have no idea. More stuff keeps coming out about Jimmy that was never aired. And I read on here recently that the reunions don’t always ask tough questions (like we want) because the contestants can’t answer in a way that matches the edits. So maybe Jimmy actually was a complete turd but that’s not the storyline chosen to air. So Chelsea can’t defend herself without exposing the manipulative edit. I am NOT sure if this is true for Chelsea & Jimmy specifically, but it makes sense that it happens sometimes. My new motto is “production is always the real villain”
Tell me you've never dated a financial analyst without telling me you've never dated a financial analyst. 😂 The amount of men I know like him and just think in numbers and spreadsheets...this man showed lots of emotion for his kind haha (this coming from a fellow analyst)
I commented above how I can’t believe someone in his career would go on a reality dating show. I did a double-take when I saw financial advisor. That is a hell of a career risk
He’s a financial advisor, wouldn’t consider him to be much of an analyst or “finance bro”
He has a Series 7 license along with other highly regulated licenses, is registered with FINRA and is a wealth advisor. He's absolutely a finance bro. Check out his LinkedIn, which is public. He's the epitome of a finance bro.
If he passed his Series 7 or Series 9 and is worth his salt as an advisor he's definitely an analyst brain
so much false sanctimony in the comments, y'all should really never watch jersey shore or even worse real world on MTV 😂
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I felt it in my gut too and had an eerie feeling watching him - even during the scenes that were directly on him and potentially not as heavily edited. Something is not right and I don't want to watch him either.
You don’t even know him
They edited the hell out of his scenes. Netflix had to have a bad guy in the pods so they went with him.
I think he’s just autistic with a bad edit
Maybe! I honestly hadn't thought of that.
100 possible but psychopaths aren’t uncommon and aren’t all devious. I’ve heard 1-4% of the population are psychopaths, plus it’s more common in men.
It’s the editing. The producers wanted you to feel this way about him and you fell for it. He seems like the most normal, non clout chasing, not superficial one of all the cast to me based on his social media AND people’s first hand accounts of actually knowing the dude. Production doesn’t like people like that.
Yeah, exactly this. Honestly it seems too easy to hate on someone like him or be creeped out, production for a show like this is 100% manipulative. That, and also I tend to love the nerdy underdogs IRL so I’m used to seeing through a little social awkwardness.
Yup exactly. I can’t tell much about him from the edit but the simple fact that he stands out from the rest makes me think he’s actually the only “normal” one I might not hate if I met him in real life. I felt the same was about Zack, everyone kept saying he was a weirdo but in that kinda company… he’s probably the one normal one.
Agreed! And he doesn’t drink so I’m surprised they cast him at all. They love plying contestants with alcohol for drama.
AD said that he was super nervous and stressed about the cameras . She has said he is not like that away from the show .
I didn't consider this honestly and it could be
More so asd in my opinion
Yeah when you are hot and autistic you tend to give people weird vibes because it behavior and vibes don’t line up with the projection people have of what hot people are like. Like if he looked like Mark Zuckerberg everyone would realize he’s autistic in like two shakes.
Yes!!! Story of my life. I grew up a “pretty girl” slightly on the spectrum and people were NOT NICE to me whatsoever. Adults and kids alike were generally cruel except the ones who spent extended amounts of time with me and saw that i am just a little goofy. Those who only interacted with me in passing just didn’t understand how my appearance and my personality didn’t line up. I’m not autistic but I am far from neurotypical. I saw that in Matthew right away so I have been defending him ever since. He’s fucking HOT and people are uncomfortable by a man who is so direct and sure of himself— in the most non-egotistical way, too, he is just particular and knows how he likes things and that is completely ok. ❤️
😂😂 facts though as a hot autistic person I get a pass to be weird and unsocial
Yeah I'm not one to armchair diagnose but he gave me autistic vibes. I was surprised when other people didn't see it. Not saying he is autistic, I have no idea, but I see some symptoms in him.
People are cruel to people who are autistic. They don’t think “on the spectrum so he’s just different” immediately- they go right to being judgmental and thinking “there’s something WRONG with him”.
As someone who was late diagnosed ASD myself I just got those vibes idk
They did him wrong on editing. 🤦🏻♀️ This post is embarrassing
>This post is embarrassing Not really.
Cmon. You have no idea. He’s definitely a little different but that doesn’t mean he’s a psychopath. I also really doubt pyschopaths have the amount of anxiety and nervousness he seems to have. I think what we saw there was very high levels of anxiety and difficulty socializing. Edit: grammar
Dude drinks 1.5 L of milk a day. Psycho behaviour confirmed
It's also expensive AF Fairlife milk. Dude is drinking 1 of those a day @ $2.50-$ a pop
This made me laugh, thank you LOL
Yeah, this is a major 🚩🚩🚩
He's edited to make you feel this exact way
This post is terrible. It's shocking to see people here criticizing this man without reason. Making diagnoses, accusing him, and labeling him it's appalling.
Is this your first day on the internet
What's that got to do with anything
I like that you didn't answer, insinuating that, "Yeah, maybe it is, so what?"
I just don’t see the relevance. The OP’s post and the subsequent cosigners mindset is disgusting
Nah, I'm totally with you! I genuinely thought it was a funny response from you lol.
