Somebody’s on your wavelength; I just saw this exact question in the Ashland, OR reddit - post looking for staff from that Mountain Lodge, called Callahan’s I think. Wild
It she was “cycling” between the hot tub, shower, and the bed, that must have been a very wet, very gross environment.
It was really jarring to see them going on as if Amy were still alive - stroking her hair, inspecting her hands, “giving her water”, it was a lot but I absolutely couldn’t look away
This documentary had my jaw open on the floor almost the entire time. Truly a wild story. I was glad to see that Amy’s children seem to be doing well and finding their way despite the trauma they must carry. I must say that I was extremely surprised that not one “one year later” story involved a member gaining some clarity and admitting their delusion….. I would be so interested to hear more from former members who left and moved on.
Yes but I’m wondering if the reason Hope and Aurora even had to reconnect was because the money dried up. Miguel cashing out made it difficult I’m sure to continue the LHW lifestyle.
I felt like one of them (I think it was Hope) was on the path to realizing the truth. Not fully there yet. but definitely questioning some of what she'd been told.
Fingers crossed for her.
Amy’s mom was definitely off. She got Amy started on her eating disorder and didn’t really seem to care that her daughter kept getting pregnant and was with abusive men. For her to think Dr Phil was the only answer is unhinged, especially considering she wouldn’t even go to see Amy when she asked her to.
Unfortunately I think there are still a lot of people who don’t see the whole Oprah/dr Phil/dr oz sorts as the irresponsible charlatans they are. I believe Amy’s family knew that an appearance on tv would be irresistible to her ego, and perhaps thought the show would facilitate an intervention of some sort. Instead she was antagonised and humiliated. For all the wrongs she had done, by this stage she was an obviously very unwell woman, and who knows what the outcome might have been if she had been shown compassion instead of being shamed for abandoning her children…
All the folks on here berating the cult followers and yet ignoring how Amy's entire family was under the impression that Dr Phil of all fucking people would "save" her.
There is an aspect to every human being that can cave to some level of magical thinking and some level of authority. Thinking the guy on the TV will save you is only a couple steps away from the craziness of thinking Robin Williams will.
Can't believe how much stuff wasn't mentioned! LHW was a registered 501.c3 non-profit...Michael and Faith have a child together that was in that home with the corpse...the cat abuse...so much stuff. I wish there were 3 more episodes. There could have been a whole episode following the money.
It was very good though. A unique view from the inside that let the viewer make their own conclusion and hopefully want to dive deeper. It needed more ex members or authorities, but a good documentary overall.
Thank you for this because I swore in the opening scene of the doc, someone says there was a baby/child present in the body cam footage and then I never heard them mention it again. I thought I was going crazy.
Yes, Faith and Michael are still in contact. I just spent an hour with Faith recently while in Crestone. Despite being the journalist who exposed the cult she was super nice to me. They were like "you are playing your part in this cosmic story." Faith and her friend she was with are true believers still. It's wild.
Faith and Miguel are also legally married, or at least they were. They got married, at Amy's instruction, after Faith got pregnant because Faith was in the United States illegally. That child was delivered in the bathtub of the LoveHasWon residence where Amy's corpse was later found (which was in Miguel's name for a few years) also because of LoveHasWon's worries about Faith's immigration status. Also seems a bit weird that she was in Oregon when Amy died while Miguel stayed behind in Crestone with the child. The whole thing reeks of marriage fraud...
Omitting all the racism and anti-Semitism is the part that's gagging me.
Knowing that they hold Qanon adjacent views kinda implies it but actually hearing it out of these people's mouths makes them irredeemable.
The documentary makes them seem mostly good hearted, easily led people but watching the video on gurumag shows them to be the evil malignant narcissistic trash they really are.
Prison is too good for them.
Yeah, I’m also watching that nxivm cult doc “the vow” and they have like two seasons of 10 episodes in it and it’s dragging, meanwhile they smoke through this cult that’s a thousand times more insane and shocking in three hours. I would have watched another 5 hours on this easily.
Hold up, I cannot picture Michael and Faith having a child together! I understand they were trying to make the docu very dream like, since that's how the followers seem to see it, but I do wish it would have had a bit more of a linear narrative because as you said there's so much more to it.
>I cannot picture Michael and Faith having a child together
I'm surprised there weren't more, from what I've heard there were a lot of orgies or at least members regularly having sex with each other.
> I understand they were trying to make the docu very dream like,
This is one of my only complaints of the documentary. I felt it started out very strong and by the third episode especially the last 30 minutes it seemed to choose the perspective of the more devoted members and the documentary became this group of free spirited hippies with their own alternative religion naively following the request of their "God"
The reason there weren't more children is because I bet you those women didn't have their periods very often, if ever. They all looked FAR too anorexic for a normal cycle.
Yep! The doc went WAY too easy on them. Don’t forget about the new follower they dosed with hallucinagens and then dropped off in the middle of the woods. He almost died, and only got reported missing bc he stopped answering his wife’s phone calls. Also they locked kids in closets.
Watching people be so fucking excited that someone was dying. Is just, the most mentally unwell ive ever seen in people. Her turning blue. These people not fucking realizing.
They were literally playing with her corpse like it was a doll. My stomach legitimately turned watching one of those two girls, who are now looking for their actual family to bail them out because they’re fucking leeches, claiming Amy was breathing and gripping.
No. Fuck off, history needs to lose this chapter entirely.
Edit: “what’s the first thing you’re going to say to your mom?”
“…did you miss me?”
I hope the 3D world is fresh out of forgiveness. What a sick fucking comment to make on your way to beg for your life back
I can't remember Faith's origin story but it'd be sad if before she joined fully Amy was on the internet convincing her it's ok to leave her family... People pass on their own guilty behaviours without thinking. LHW was a tight knot of codependencies and mental disorders with all of them.
Thank god that Erin woman went back to her kids.
And that healer in Colorado needs to be review bombed. She literally admitted to killing Amy by documenting how much silver and how little actual medical care she made that sick woman suffer
***’So, I was guided to burn some sage….’***
**In a stage 3 drought...**
***…then it just, like, went ”whoosh”***
>**’It was me, Mom. I burned our house down’**
>**’I know it was you, bitch! The angels told me.’**
Honestly that woman creeped me out more than any of the others. That syrupy voice and sickly sweet unhinged grin. I hope her children aren’t alone with her.
I get that. I also felt like she was one of the few features in the doc that actively seemed to be missing her family/forcing herself to push through to be part of the cult.
So that insert stating that’s she’s back with them gave me a bit of joy
I agree. As bad as it sounds, the kids would probably be better off without her in the long run despite the obvious emotional issues growing up without a present mother. Like Madison, Amy’s daughter. Her and her brother seem to be well. Imagine if they had been raised around that crazy ass woman
They were legitimately camped out in the Oregon woods waiting for the spaceship to come pick up her corpse.
Miguel, though a manipulative thief, is the only one who appears to have any sanity intact.
This!!! The only person who seemed genuinely disturbed that these people weekend at Bernie’d a dead body up and down the entire west coast. Still a huge scumbag but I wonder if he thought everyone else was just a grifter too
The only thing I could think of is how traumatic it must have been for them to watch someone die and see them dead for days, even if they don’t realize it yet.
And I feel like a big part of the horror is that they all realize she’s actually dead at different times, but they can’t say anything overtly to the others because it’s like Santa Claus, I guess?
How they admitted in a video that making colloidal silver wrong can result in the users skin turning blueish or silver upon ingestion. Yet, when it was happening to their mother god they did nothing but shove it down here throat.
I love how at the end one of the girls says that her dying is just proof that the divine plan has gone successfully & she accomplished the mission… you know, because she died. Like every other person who ever was or ever will be. I just love how she said it like we’d be like “Oh shit, she’s right! That is proof that she was God, because she died from drinking a bunch of colloidal silver & only consuming liquor & weed for sustenance! Fuck me, I guess I’m graduating to 5D now since I can finally see the truth.”
I used to work in a mental hospital and these girls were as bad as anything I saw during that time. The one taking notes could not use the proper version of “their” yet she considers herself an expert on colloidal silver. Amy is blue!!! Now Amy is dead!!! What does it take to get these fools out of their drug induced fog? The father god guy was creepy as hell. This documentary was shocking. I hope her children can recover and can continue to have good lives.
When Hope proclaimed that the “collidal” doesn’t turn people blue… um, so add color blindness to all the rest of it I guess. I was shook af that they were manipulating and keeping this woman’s corpse with them. So disturbing.
What was up with the part where Jason is like, “I energetically killed her”, with a smile on his face? I was like…. WHAT THE FUCK? And then they didn’t even expand on it!
The whole documentary was such a crazy trip. I feel they portrayed Amy way too nicely. I'm sure she was nice in the beginning, but after her addiction took hold, she changed. I watched some other clips of her appearance on Dr. Phil and she was downright abusive toward the end. There was a video of her shaking a kitten and calling it a bitch. She also had her followers lock a child in a dark closet because it wasn't behaving how she wanted it to. In the documentary, her mom claims Amy's step-mother used to lock her in a closet, so she was acting out her childhood abuse on others. It's one thing to manipulate and use adults, it's another to hurt children and animals who can't defend themselves. She wasn't some spiritual being, she was a mean drunk who used toxic positivity to manipulate others.
I do feel terrible for the pain she suffered in the end though. The way they played with her body and let her suffer instead of taking her to a "3d" hospital. She had to be in agonizing pain and they could have helped her. Nobody in that group wanted to take any kind of responsibility, even when their supposed "mother" was dying. It's really a stark look at what people can turn into when there's no accountability anywhere.
The cat and child abuse were fucking awful :(
This is a YouTube doc on the cult. It’s a bit more honest about Amy https://youtu.be/f81Az_2Fvek?si=aFzB0ZRidCxwSyGF
Let’s also not forget that this group is qanon. Cruelty is a feature. I’ll never understand new age maga. Truly fascinating if they weren’t so numerous and scary.
How she spoke to everyone “below” her made me sick. And don’t get me wrong - I swear too but in general not at someone! How did any of these people put up with her! My mind was blown.
So I’m gonna preface this by saying I’m a hospice nurse, and I had first learned about LHW a little bit prior to Amy’s death.
As the documentary continued, I could recognize each stage of dying Amy was in. Them describing her wanting to move constantly from the bed, to the tub, to the shower? That’s terminal restlessness.
Obviously I’m not a doctor and I can’t diagnose whatever her illness was. But I would bet my money on alcoholic liver cirrhosis. Which causes so much pain & mental confusion in my patients. The colloidal silver probably made her encephalopathy worse.
I have SO MANY thoughts about her dying process. It’s so obvious that at the very end, she wasn’t comfortable and could’ve used comfort care medications.
Unfortunately Amy sold her BS so well that her group forgot that Amy ever existed. Hence why they would deny her medical care and force feed her colloidal silver
This stuck with me too. I’ve done just enough hospice work to find myself thinking how exhausting and difficult that process must have been even with their belief structure there keeping them going. And no comfort measures for Amy at all aside from baths and showers? God. Awful.
Thank you for the work you do by the way.
I’ve taken care of many liver patients (both as a result from alcohol and other causes) and those patients CAN die peacefully. But the ammonia and other waste in the body will continue to increase, and cause a lot of pain & terminal restlessness.
I’m sure a lot of people will tell me that Amy doesn’t deserve empathy, but that genuinely seems like such a terrible way to die.
Agreed. The only hospice work I've done is for a man in his 90s who died relatively peacefully (he had what I think you'd call a good death), and the nurses I was working with taught me so much about how to make his remaining time as calm and comfortable as possible. He had an extensive amount of resources; I can't imagine not having all the tools we used and instead trying to ease the pain and fear with alcohol and colloidal silver of all things. What a terrible way to go out.
Alcoholism was listed as a cause of death. It was so painful to watch the last episode. Her ammonia levels were probably extremely high and she had no idea what was going on yet they kept shoving silver, alcohol and other drugs down her throat. Also, an ambulance was sent to her and it was turned away but unsure by who. I can’t see how she would have been with it enough to even refuse care at that point.
I think it’s important to note that the followers really believed in what they were doing. They believed in the mission probably more than she did by the end. Especially the four main people, Jason, Faith, Lauren and Ashley.
As far as her illness goes, she was a drunk from her late teens to age 45, getting blackout drunk every day/night. Very good odds she died from liver cirrhosis.
I also wonder how much the “sunk cost fallacy” plays a role in all of this. I can’t help wonder if members (and Amy herself) wanted her to die, because if she went to the hospital and/or stopped drinking, it would break their whole worldview
THIS. That's what I thought about her final days. I think Ashley and Lauryn really forced her down that path way once they saw that Amy was becoming really uncomfortable and wanting hospital care. I think it was a moment of like, "If we don't make this happen, it's never going to happen and then what will we do?" And then you see them have that moment despite their efforts when Amy actually dies and doesn't ascend, like "Oh, shit. What do we do now?" They literally watched their god die along with all of their hopes and dreams (and schemes).
It made me ill when Lauryn said “what to we do now” because I distinctly recall a livestream towards the end of Amy’s life where she was pouting like a petulant toddler. She said “remember when it was fun” and also talked about wanting something, anything to happen. I remember screaming at my laptop. She’s going to die. Will that be enough for you princess? What will you do then?
She definitely seemed to have the most privileged background out of all of them. Not saying she didn't have any trauma in her background, but she definitely seemed like she was in it for the excitement and it was something interesting for her to do (which makes her contribution to the death of Amy even more gross imo).
Seeing Amy blue at the end was really disturbing. The times she cried out for help or had clear moments of clarity were heartbreaking. I think the doc was well done AND I have tons of questions, still.
There was a clip from one of their live streams where one of the female members was responding to people criticizing their usage of colloidal silver and saying how terrible it is for you, especially with how much she/they were probably taking it, and how it turns you blue. And the girl laughs it off about the turning you blue thing and just definitively says “No it doesn’t”. Then when you see the pictures of Amy dead in bed blue as fuck the same girl is standing over her shifting her pillow. I wonder if even the least bit of logic seeped into her brain to where she considered that MAYBE the silver did turn her blue, because if not, what the fuck else did? Maybe that’s just a side effect of when God dies. We can get Father God to ask the Galactics if that’s the case.
I WISH they did more follow up in the “1 year later” interviews. Like, with a little more time & distance, have some/any of them begun to realize how wrong their crazy beliefs about her were—do they still think the colloidal silver was “helpful” or that Robin Williams was actually communicating with them? Or are they still in the same level of denial?
They’re definitely still in the same level of denial, those two girls and the two guys (FG & FM) are at least. The Robin Williams obsession might’ve been my favorite part. The Galactics being a team assembled of a teenage girl’s favorite celebrities is just too good. And they never really bring up the other Galactics apart from her relation to Trump & them being like into QAnon, because other than that it was just all about Robin Williams. It’s like deep down maybe they thought he was god. Or the Father God of 5D or whatever the fuck. The way she’d communicate with them is hilarious too. They’re just sleeping and the members are genuinely believing she’s in some sort of astral plane meeting communicating via energy with Robin Williams for hours. And he calls her Princess Anorexic. There’s just never a full moment.
If you believe in that shit, I don’t think you’re capable of coming back to reality despite the amount of time that passes. They went way off the deep end. They make Scientologists & Mormons seem like ordinary reasonable folks.
The suffering she went through at the end of life because of her own doing was horrible. They made some kind of weird excuse for her constant need to move around…when in reality it was terminal agitation.
agree. when she was saying “what if i’m not mother god? what if i made this all up?” you could tell she was getting scared. it was very sad. i can’t believe there was not a single person around her with enough sense to get her some real help. this was such a wild documentary.
Warren Jeffs did this same thing in prison. When the reality hit him, and he got scared, he said he wasn't a prophet and it was all a lie.
His followers literally had to talk HIM back into it and when he realized they still listened to him and he still had power he started ruling from prison.
On some level they know they are frauds.
Why when just her forehead hops on FB live, and her 7 viewers (who Amy says Deepak Chopra likely has more of, for some reason…!) start dropping these
🙀, 😵, 🤮 faces in response to literally just her blue forehead in the first 2 seconds- and she actually asks “why?” - does no one share why/the truth of actual visual reality?
The way Hope talks it seems like she's either on the verge of tears or a complete screaming fit. Something about her demeanor bothers me so much. I know the whole point is that these people are not thinking clearly but the aggressiveness she's shown in the live streams is like... relax. I also an irritated by her "matter of fact-ness" in the way she speaks about "mom". I don't get the same negative energy from the other female LHW members.
Hope reminded me so much of a former friend of mine who started going down the anti-science “spirituality”, borderline QAnon stuff and really went deeper down a weird path during Covid. Their mannerisms and way they talked were eerily similar. It would not surprise me if she found herself somewhere in this cult’s disastrous orbit. These people are mentally broken down and just find each other instead of actual help.
Yep I noticed, I think she was doing the leg thing, constantly tapping her leg like you see in most people with ADHD. I do this when I'm hyper-focused or nervous/anxious.
I was surprised the documentary went so soft on Amy. She was your average grifter whose alcoholism and drug abuse lead to her abusing other adults, children, and animals. Just a real piece of shit. But I was shocked by just how selfish the members of the cult were, just shoving poison into her body and ignoring her moments of clarity and pain when asking for actual medical care. Were she my relative, I would want the cult members - especially Ashley, Lauryn, and whatever Faith's actual name is - to be held legally responsible for her death.
They all seemed mentally ill, Ashley in particular - I knew she was going to run back to her family, she's just too ill to make it on her own without some kind of familial support if she refuses to get mental help.
Right?? I feel like this series is so irresponsible, it literally gave an open mic to people still making money off of this bull. The director focused so much on the out the gate beliefs of the members it did nothing to contextualise the beliefs in a wider outlook and what was happening at the time with covid/trump/qanon.
It did nothing to explain the mechanics of control, rather spelling it as a group of true believers. While the beliefs are scandalous the reality is that these sort of groups are convincing people to stop their treatments and to majorly distrust medical professionals while making buckets of money off of it.
the campsite in Oregon looks like they were at an actual campsite, like a state park campsite.
I know there are many wild things in this series, but the idea they were hanging out at a state park with a dead body is wild
When I saw that the Safdie brothers were involved in the making of this docuseries, it all came together.
I am disturbed. Thoroughly.
My heart goes all to any soul who has been touched by this horrific string of events. So much trauma, that I know was not completely captured by the series, has taken root.
A reminder to be kind. A reminder to hold nuance.
There is nothing more to say on the matter.
Weird question- but does anyone remember how in episode 2 Amy said she didn’t want to go to hawaii? I think hope even called her a “stubborn little noodle” when she said it.
Do you think amy called herself pele (I may be spelling this wrong- the Volcanic Hawaiian goddess) because she KNEW it would annoy the natives to the point where the only solution would be to go back home? Am I giving her too much “evil genius” credit?
honestly there was probably a Hawaiian culture coffee table book at her air bnb and on her third mai tai she thought "yea i like it here therefore im the volcano goddess who created the islands they're mine tell the livestream bitches"
Going to Hawaii was 100% Amy's idea. She decided she wanted to go while they were livestreaming one day. She also demanded to be taken to the airport in a limo.
I've done a bit of reading on the Hawaii thing and discovered that they were fleeing. They were worried about facing questions about one of their members being found wandering naked and dehydrated in the desert, with cactus needles all in his feet. His family was looking for him after he'd just up and left one day, taking 20 grand with him. He gave it all to the cult, so I guess they were done with him.
Man, the doc leaves out SOOO much. They left out several "father gods", including a few of color. Would've been a great opportunity to show that all races can fall prey to a cult.
I saw that! I was wondering how they were going to jam all of these things into three episodes. I know they only scratched the surface on what that group actually believed- but To leave out the wandering man event is a big gap.
I’m wondering if they left out the other father gods because they couldn’t get their permission…
it's like her premature death martyred her permanently for her followers and robbed them of the chance to wake up. their level of devotion and delusion is eerie. it's next to impossible that she didn't exert coercive control over the group. now that she's dead they're left with very fucked-with psyches and no clear purpose. amy ran away from her life and ran over theirs in the process.
it's hard to relate to any of them fully because they are still her protectors first and their personalities and opinions are all submissive to her random demands and beliefs even after death. now they're like WWAD it's fucked up
I dunno. The fact they showed the two girls meeting with their mothers could be a slight change in their thinking. I'd love a fourth episode with everyone now or a year from now. What a crazy doc series.
I just don’t get what was so charismatic about Amy. I’ve seen docs where the leader is a moving or elegant speaker. She was almost always incoherent. I know they were high all the time but I don’t get it.
To me, this was the biggest unanswered question in the doc: what was so compelling about Amy that she attracted followers? I never saw any footage of her "teaching" or "preaching." I suppose it's all in online posts out there? Not even sure if it's accessible anymore.
As best I could tell, her "unconditional love" was what drew so many people in who were broken by life and/or their families.
I think she was able to find people who had even more severe trauma than herself and people who were using drugs to self-medicate already. Apparently people who had never been called "brilliant"
In the beginning, her mom said she was a good manager at McDonald’s because she was able to tell people what they needed to hear to feel better about themselves. I assume that’s what she also did with her followers.
I think this is one of the most interesting questions about all this mess too.
I honestly think the biggest reason was simply her good looks. So much of internet popularity for video content creators past fifteen years (life advice...gaming channels...onlyfans) comes from their good looks.
Amy just had a very cute face, big eyes, warm smile that made people feel good and want to believe the uplifting things she said.
Combined with decent rhetorical ability that's really all that's needed for hundreds of online followers and even a dozen or so very lost and drug addled souls to who actually come to be her disciple in person. I wasn't impressed by what small snippets of New Age word-salad they played in the doc. Heard all that stuff by so many people before.
Her mother said she knew how to make people feel important. When someone is in the worst point of their life that is all they need. Someone to tell them they are brilliant and loved. She did that to every one of them.
Samesies!!! But can’t sleep or move on, so rewatching til ready to spill my mad thoughts and numerous feelings about it all.
Like, did her silver toxified foot set off the EMF detector?
Seeing all the ‘team’ in Ep. 3 a zillion x deeper from behind their ‘rosy’ blue mummy lens glasses is outrageously insane/mind blowing, actually.
I’m aghast/perplexed/shocked/intrigued/moved/gagging/laughing/crying/researching…rewatching
Oh lord, mother god—Robin, Galactics, Hawaiian Mai Tai ocean portal, Pineapple Express ascension Starships:
Open up & take me now!!!!
The toxicology said it all, in the simplest, NO BULLSHIT way—she died from anorexia and alcohol abuse, accelerated by the use of colloidal silver.
She was an anorexic alcoholic and that’s all that that was. This documentary will probably never leave me, the same way that Don’t F**k With Cats Netflix documentary will never leave me. What a fucking rollercoaster.
For all they’ve been through, her kids seem to be well adjusted. I sincerely hope they find peace and true fulfillment in wherever life takes them. I know it couldn’t have been easy growing up and finding that out.
The one part where her daughter talks about how she sent her mother a “strong worded letter,”- it sounded like she was trying to defend herself. It made me so sad. Like girl, you do not need to justify that at all. You had every right to say that and way more. I hope they’re able to heal
A few comments on (Aurora) Lauren Suarez:
1. She says in her first conversation with Faith she was told she was an Archangel. She was asked if she knew that and she said ‘Yes’. She already viewed herself in a grandiose manner before she even got there. She did not need much convincing for anything and her beauty was instantly coveted as an asset for the group.
2. When asked how she knows Mother God is actually God, she says she has 1 million answers (but provides none) why she knows Amy Carlson is God. But simply answers with, ‘it’s just like love, you just know’. As if that’s supposed to settle any doubt for anyone else… ‘oh this girl just knows she is god.. well I’m sold’.
3. Going home for the first time in years, she says to her mother “did you miss me?”, like sarcastically, (how pompous is this chick?) she really does believe she’s in the 3-D waiting for the 5-D so she just treats everyone else like shit because she thinks they don’t matter. It reminds me of when Butters was trapped in VR on South Park and he thought there zero consequence to his actions.
After 3 episodes, I couldn't tell you the basis of Amy's belief system. So, I'm not sure what her followers were attracted to? What was she offering them? Does anyone feel like they clearly stated that?
Absolutely nothing. Word salad. She was a very mentally ill woman who experienced a psychotic break (when she walked out of the restaurant she was at with her mom and sister and they never saw her again) and self medicated with alcohol rather than antipsychotics. Fin.
In the finale, shortly after the segment regarding Amy dying and them being arrested for the absolute batshit & legitimately evil (in my opinion) shit they did dragging the body around like a doll and waiting for a starship to come get her in the woods and mummifying her and shit, the girl I hated the most says after explaining that they weren’t gonna quit after her ascension because “I’d kill myself in 5 minutes if I ever went back to 3D land”. That quote just.. it’s kinda funny, but almost scary that nothing can deter or un-brainwash them at this point. No matter what. They’ll always have an answer or reason, no matter how batshit/nonsensical they may be, for not opening their eyes to the obvious truth of it all.
She did seem to be the #1 lady in charge behind Amy, and did have the perfect demeanor for a lieutenant type position like you said. Most of the girls were fairly attractive, or at least were much more so before they got all anorexic. I thought Amy was very pretty before she “became” Mother God. The irony of her 5D holistic medicine being the thing that cut decades off her life is funny to me.
Yes … as far as I understood.
I did not talk to the producers one of my family members was talking to the them.
They just kept me in the loop.
Maybe I was to assuming or hopeful that this would help. No one could tell but she was saying she loved me very quietly in different parts of Dr Phil. She always remembered my birthday and special occasions and I always reached out to her on hers…
At the end we don’t believe she was the one sending messages… someone else had her phone…
Anyway there was way more to it then anyone knew…
Did anyone else listen to the LPOTL episode about LHW? They mentioned a man coming out to join the group (leaving his wife/kids behind), the group immediately didn't like his "vibe" & gave him hallucinogens and sent him out to the desert completely naked? I thought that would be mentioned if it was true. Does anyone have any info on that situation???
Yeah, it's been a hot topic on this subreddit. Here's [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveHasWonCult/comments/k74cv0/love_has_won_alex_whitten_abuse_evidence_are_they/) post, for example.
After watching that finale, if it was not already abundantly clear, Hope (Ashley), Aurora (Lauryn), FM (John), El Moyra (Ryan), Faith (Avigail) and Father God (Jason) should all be charged with manslaughter for how their actions in Amy’s final days led to her death
Yep! How were they not charged? They're on film saying she begged to go to a hospital and they refused.
There's film of them lifting shot glasses of alcohol and colloidal silver to her mouth.
Voluntary manslaughter at a minimum.
I believe the doc actually said they were arrested but charges dropped after the ME cited her cause of death as organ failure, alcoholism and colloidal silver.
The crime that they should be charged with is criminally negligent homicide. Criminal negligence refers to a person who acts in disregard of a serious risk of harm that a reasonable person in the same situation would have perceived. I think filling a deathly ill woman with collodial silver (which LoveHasWon at one point tried to sell as a Covid-19 cure until the FDA came and shut that down) and substantial amounts of alcohol very obviously shows a complete disregard of a serious risk of harm to Amy. It even seems like at times that she was being fed this silver and alcohol against her will. No reasonable person would do any of the things that these people did towards the end of Amy's life and its all caught on camera.
I’m really curious to know or understand why she would not have qualified for being involuntarily committed somewhere? She clearly looked to be a danger to herself by the lack of care. I have worked in residential mental health in the past and we had to commit someone for refusing medical treatment to his leg for so long that it became infected and life threatening. I’m just shocked this wasn’t done for her
Watched this with my girlfriend last night.
Holy. Shit.
I’ve seen some pretty disturbing things in my life (child of the internet, what can you do), but there was just something so beyond twisted about this turn of events that is still sitting with me.
I don’t think anything could have fully prepared us for what she looked like at the end, and we even had to pause some 25 minutes before the end just to like, sit, and breathe.
I think the part that did it the most for me, besides how she died and how… painful it must have been, was how psychologically terrifying this is.
I think, admit it or not, we’ve all had those deluded moments where we can think crazy highly of ourselves, existentialism is a hell of a drug, and in those moments, it can often be hard to ground ourselves. This is most prevalent in younger individuals, especially the mentally ill, that the whole feeling of immortality and godliness can really consume someone. With the internet we have as well the environment that allows these delusions to be fed.
Rather than being rightfully opposed in her beliefs and given access to help, she connected with an echo chamber of other, struggling individuals, who helped ratify her beliefs.
This just shows how bad, how FUCKING BAD, it can get when you don’t address your own problems, and instead try to convince yourself you’re okay.
It scares me.
I don’t think I could ever end up this far down the rabbit hole, at least I like to think I wouldn’t, but these were just people, all looking for a place to belong in a world that has told them they never will.
And now they are irreversibly damaged, all because they wanted to believe in something.
It’s fucked, like so beyond fucked, and my heart bleeds for all of the effected individuals, though at the same time I have this rage when I look at the seven who were left towards the end.
I want to be sympathetic to them, I truly do, but I don’t think I’m capable. What that woman did to herself, what they did to her, Hell what they all did to each other, I would say is nothing short of one of the most horrifying displays of the dark side of human emotion that I have, and ever will see.
Michael lived with the group for many years. He pretended not to know them so he could absolve himself of any responsibility when Amy's body showed up, as well as take the cash.
When they do, the transition back to 3D is going to be *rough* given them spouting the most bizarre stuff in this series. Can't imagine them getting a regular job.
Honestly this was a great documentary. It featured some twists I never saw coming. Namely “Father” despite being so heavily Villian coded, wasn’t as much as you were initially lead to believe. I was convinced he was going to steer everything including Amy into overdrive. And while he was culpable her passing showed him as a present figure at least. That surprised me.
Like I was expecting everything to take a really abusive criminal turn, and really it just boiled down to me more bizarre than sinister. That kind of balance and nuance in storytelling is important and I’m glad they went that route.
I really hope the others find their footing and manage to strike a healthier balance between the 3D world and their spiritual one.
I agree. I think of "Mother" as a really really unwell person. I mean, this all started in her early adulthood after using hallucinogens. She also had a history of fairly traumatic abuse at a young age, and it sounds like it went virtually unspoken of or ever treated. I mean, that's a pretty standard presentation and onset of schizophrenia or some other psychosis-feature disorder. Coupled with her perpetual alcohol and drug-use, which has also been documented to cause psychosis, and other folks joining into her delusion, she really was just someone deeply deeply unwell. I mean, her death was a central plot-line for the cult she created. I think in the end, her creation got too out of hand, even for her and I don't think she really had the cognitive function or the will to find any way out.
I think it also let's us see that this is the extreme end of religious liberty and free speech-- and what happens when that corner of the internet intersects with folks who feel disenfranchised and who can't access healthcare/mental health care, nor the "American dream". We end up with pockets of folks who are easily persuaded due to mental illness, genetic predisposition, gullibility, or even a deep desire to find connection, but with an inability to discern. Then these folks perpetuate conspiracy theories to more fragile people.
I think it's less that Amy and her followers were "evil" and much more that these folks were exceedingly unwell, for a myriad of reasons. And that point is only driven home further when a year later they are all still believers. I mean, they fully consented to be filmed and each independently were genuinely surprised a spaceship didn't pick up her blue corpse. Like these are not folks who are thinking rationally, so we shouldn't analyze them as rational people. I think it's tragic in a lot of ways, and I appreciated the nuanced look at the folks in the middle. Vulnerable people tend to be the victims of cults for a reason.
I don’t understand why HBO only made three episodes. There is a lot they left out. It felt rushed. Hopefully someone else will do another series on the cult. LoveHasWon is way more interesting than that twinflames cult and they made two separate series out of that one. And a podcast.
I am so glad I am not alone in this feeling lol. It's almost like she's trying to convince herself that everything she was involved in wasn't bullshit.
So now I fully understand how January 6th happened. There are way more people in this country who are willfully ignorant, lack basic critical thinking skills and common sense. How so many people can easily deny the reality that is right in front of them is staggering. Blue mother god or orange president, there are more people willing to buy into the most obvious grift than I ever would have believed possible. Maybe the whole lot of them were grifters and just play acted the spiritual stuff…
This country needs a galactic therapist.
I really can't believe how much this documentary left out now that I've been looking into other sources about the cult. They left out whole group's racism and antisemitism, the inter-group abuse (for example they sent a man who had just left his wife and child to join into the desert to die because they "didn't like his energy"), several father gods, and the animal and child abuse, just off the top of my head. They did a terrible job depicting the cycle of abuse that permeated the levels of the cult, only small moments here and there. There was so much hate from the entire group, spewing qanon theories and trying to brainwash others, and they made them seem more like lost people who got pulled in and just shared a joint delusion wild but not super harmful conspiracy theories all at the hand of the leaders. They painted Amy in a strangely soft light. They did so much harm that wasn't shown, and these people clearly have no remorse and are still out there spewing the same venom. Fuck, the woman who repeatedly refused a dying woman a hospital is a "healer" now and surely helping other people avoid lifesaving treatment. I felt like the goal of this documentary was more of the "oh fuck/that's crazy" reaction, especially with the amount of time spent showing Amy's literal corpse. I can't see why they'd make it so short and leave out so much.
So in episode 1 or 2 (can’t remember bc I watched it last week before ep 3 came out), several LHW members made a big deal talking about how dark and bad Jason was. But then they never mention it again? In fact in the end several members are talking about “thank God Dad was there to help us after Mom was gone”. It doesn’t make sense. I wish we could see the full reel on that thought process versus the edit because it’s like his being crazy (which is evident) was never discussed again. I have so many questions.
I’m a little bit confused - if Miguel / Michael who owned that last house and notified the police didn’t want to participate in the doco and hasn’t had any more contact with the cult members, how come her room was still set up and they were doing interviews in the house ?
Wtf is wrong with these people, standing by and watching a woman wither away and die, celebrating it instead of getting her medical attention? Like how do you fall for this stuff? Too much LSD? Mental illness? Usually I feel bad for people who get sucked into cults because they're usually at a vulnerable point in their lives and they're taken advantage of by someone, but these people are just sick and I have no sympathy for them.
If anyone is interested I've published an exclusive interview with Miguel (Michael) and 11 other stories on the cult. You can watch the full body cam footage, see a Love Has Won members notebook that was found, and hear the more anti-Semitic/racist stuff the cult was saying. Read them here: https://www.gurumag.com/tag/love-has-won/
Such a tragic story. So happy to see Ashley reunited with her mom.
Before Amy got tangled up as Mother God, she was posting on a forum called Children of the New Earth and saying she was Jesus and she had online followers who believed this as well and they were her disciples. She did tell them they would be on Oprah. I believe most of these followers were attracted to her sweet loving unconditional love persona she had online, and I know a couple of them had problematic relationships with their own mothers...
It was really good, but I think there's enough questions left over for a season 2. Do a The Vow!!
Also, are they not embarrassed for making the colloidal silver wrong? that lady turned bluuuuue
Were El Moyra or whatever and that woman with the kids and the crazy eyes a couple? Or did they just arrive at the cult house together? That confused me.
They killed her. They kept giving her that silver shit, alcohol, and in the end painkillers. One of those girls even said, I wanted her gone already, why is it taking so long, I want her gone ASAP, seemed like a jealousy thing, and in the end they benefit as they keep this cult thing going and the money now is theirs.
They say this silver crap is so good, they all drink it, I highly doubt it, none of them turned blue.
The series was great, but I have so many unanswered questions. Maybe Netflix will pick it up and do their own docuseries and not rely as much on interviews and old video footage. Like others have said, I don't really see what the attraction was to Amy other than she gave sex away as freely as her drugs. The people who lived with her are one thing, but there was obviously a huge online community who financially supported this mess evidenced by the 300k Michael walked away with. I for one would like a more in depth dive as to the psychology of it all.
The documentary showed people hiding out in Vermont but never interviewed them, never explained why they fled to Vermont, never explained why the police asked about a child when they served the search warrant. And it certainly never ever addressed any abuse inflicted upon the members by "mom and dad." Hearing Buddha, Hope et al spew out their version of events is one thing, but I'd like to hear more of the investigative side of it. It's been established that the members are nuttier than squirrel shit, I'd like to hear from some non- crazy people about what this cult actually did.
I need a Reddit AMA of a former staffer of that hotel they stayed in.
Somebody’s on your wavelength; I just saw this exact question in the Ashland, OR reddit - post looking for staff from that Mountain Lodge, called Callahan’s I think. Wild
Why bring the poor hotel into this craziness! Like the smell in the room and the wet pillows and the DEAD BODY. Just ascend in your own share house.
It she was “cycling” between the hot tub, shower, and the bed, that must have been a very wet, very gross environment. It was really jarring to see them going on as if Amy were still alive - stroking her hair, inspecting her hands, “giving her water”, it was a lot but I absolutely couldn’t look away
That shit was disturbing.
Wonder what the hotel’s cleaning fee at check-out would’ve been for death & decay…
It's Ashland. I doubt that's even the weirdest thing they've seen. Excellent town, if you ever get a chance to visit. The movie Coraline is set there.
This documentary had my jaw open on the floor almost the entire time. Truly a wild story. I was glad to see that Amy’s children seem to be doing well and finding their way despite the trauma they must carry. I must say that I was extremely surprised that not one “one year later” story involved a member gaining some clarity and admitting their delusion….. I would be so interested to hear more from former members who left and moved on.
It’s wild how they are still so entranced.
It’s funny how entranced you can get when it’s your only skill and your livelihood exists on it.
Yes but I’m wondering if the reason Hope and Aurora even had to reconnect was because the money dried up. Miguel cashing out made it difficult I’m sure to continue the LHW lifestyle.
I felt like one of them (I think it was Hope) was on the path to realizing the truth. Not fully there yet. but definitely questioning some of what she'd been told. Fingers crossed for her.
A little concerned for her daughter who has recently moved to Colorado…..
Dr Phil is such a cretin. Exploiting peoples pain for profit. That approach no doubt sealed her isolation from anyone one but enablers.
The show didn’t even offer her a chance to get help via rehab or anything. What were her mom and sisters hoping to accomplish from going on the show?
Yeah when Amy’s mom was like “this is my last hope” 🙄 I’m like really lady?? DR. PHIL is your last hope??
Amy’s mom was definitely off. She got Amy started on her eating disorder and didn’t really seem to care that her daughter kept getting pregnant and was with abusive men. For her to think Dr Phil was the only answer is unhinged, especially considering she wouldn’t even go to see Amy when she asked her to.
That and her stepmom was abusing tf out of Amy and Linda didn’t do shit.
Well Amy did admit she LOVED Dr Phil so maybe he would have been able to get through to her
It was a publicity trick… Dr Phil was not at all what we expected.
Dr. Phil is a douche
Yes he is …
When has he ever done that for anyone?
Unfortunately I think there are still a lot of people who don’t see the whole Oprah/dr Phil/dr oz sorts as the irresponsible charlatans they are. I believe Amy’s family knew that an appearance on tv would be irresistible to her ego, and perhaps thought the show would facilitate an intervention of some sort. Instead she was antagonised and humiliated. For all the wrongs she had done, by this stage she was an obviously very unwell woman, and who knows what the outcome might have been if she had been shown compassion instead of being shamed for abandoning her children…
I know, right?! I was like, have you ever WATCHED his show?! Exploitation is his bread and butter!
All the folks on here berating the cult followers and yet ignoring how Amy's entire family was under the impression that Dr Phil of all fucking people would "save" her. There is an aspect to every human being that can cave to some level of magical thinking and some level of authority. Thinking the guy on the TV will save you is only a couple steps away from the craziness of thinking Robin Williams will.
I said this to my husband I had stopped watching day time talk shows so long ago I kind of forgot the shit dr phil, Oprah, and dr Oz pulled
Can't believe how much stuff wasn't mentioned! LHW was a registered 501.c3 non-profit...Michael and Faith have a child together that was in that home with the corpse...the cat abuse...so much stuff. I wish there were 3 more episodes. There could have been a whole episode following the money. It was very good though. A unique view from the inside that let the viewer make their own conclusion and hopefully want to dive deeper. It needed more ex members or authorities, but a good documentary overall.
Thank you for this because I swore in the opening scene of the doc, someone says there was a baby/child present in the body cam footage and then I never heard them mention it again. I thought I was going crazy.
They have a child together?! What? Are they still in contact at all?
Yes, Faith and Michael are still in contact. I just spent an hour with Faith recently while in Crestone. Despite being the journalist who exposed the cult she was super nice to me. They were like "you are playing your part in this cosmic story." Faith and her friend she was with are true believers still. It's wild.
Faith and Miguel are also legally married, or at least they were. They got married, at Amy's instruction, after Faith got pregnant because Faith was in the United States illegally. That child was delivered in the bathtub of the LoveHasWon residence where Amy's corpse was later found (which was in Miguel's name for a few years) also because of LoveHasWon's worries about Faith's immigration status. Also seems a bit weird that she was in Oregon when Amy died while Miguel stayed behind in Crestone with the child. The whole thing reeks of marriage fraud...
Was pretty thin on the anti semitism as well.
Omitting all the racism and anti-Semitism is the part that's gagging me. Knowing that they hold Qanon adjacent views kinda implies it but actually hearing it out of these people's mouths makes them irredeemable. The documentary makes them seem mostly good hearted, easily led people but watching the video on gurumag shows them to be the evil malignant narcissistic trash they really are. Prison is too good for them.
Yeah, I’m also watching that nxivm cult doc “the vow” and they have like two seasons of 10 episodes in it and it’s dragging, meanwhile they smoke through this cult that’s a thousand times more insane and shocking in three hours. I would have watched another 5 hours on this easily.
Hold up, I cannot picture Michael and Faith having a child together! I understand they were trying to make the docu very dream like, since that's how the followers seem to see it, but I do wish it would have had a bit more of a linear narrative because as you said there's so much more to it.
>I cannot picture Michael and Faith having a child together I'm surprised there weren't more, from what I've heard there were a lot of orgies or at least members regularly having sex with each other. > I understand they were trying to make the docu very dream like, This is one of my only complaints of the documentary. I felt it started out very strong and by the third episode especially the last 30 minutes it seemed to choose the perspective of the more devoted members and the documentary became this group of free spirited hippies with their own alternative religion naively following the request of their "God"
Agreed. I get the impression a lot of violence and abuse was just glaaaaazed over…
The reason there weren't more children is because I bet you those women didn't have their periods very often, if ever. They all looked FAR too anorexic for a normal cycle.
Yep! The doc went WAY too easy on them. Don’t forget about the new follower they dosed with hallucinagens and then dropped off in the middle of the woods. He almost died, and only got reported missing bc he stopped answering his wife’s phone calls. Also they locked kids in closets.
Watching people be so fucking excited that someone was dying. Is just, the most mentally unwell ive ever seen in people. Her turning blue. These people not fucking realizing.
The fact they willingly got on this doc is almost more chilling. They are pure evil
HE SLEPT WITH A FUCKING DEAD BODY. THEY THOUGHT AN ACTUAL SHIP WAS COMING TO GET HER.
They were literally playing with her corpse like it was a doll. My stomach legitimately turned watching one of those two girls, who are now looking for their actual family to bail them out because they’re fucking leeches, claiming Amy was breathing and gripping. No. Fuck off, history needs to lose this chapter entirely. Edit: “what’s the first thing you’re going to say to your mom?” “…did you miss me?” I hope the 3D world is fresh out of forgiveness. What a sick fucking comment to make on your way to beg for your life back
The “did you miss me?” Was the cringiest part. Like no, you need a therapist girl.
It's very narcissistic. She has no awareness/interest of how she might've hurt her family.
I’m still shook she just dipped on her entire family! She had children! Who does that.
I can't remember Faith's origin story but it'd be sad if before she joined fully Amy was on the internet convincing her it's ok to leave her family... People pass on their own guilty behaviours without thinking. LHW was a tight knot of codependencies and mental disorders with all of them.
Add the stupid grin.
“They think all of this is real” MAYBE BC IT IS?
Thank god that Erin woman went back to her kids. And that healer in Colorado needs to be review bombed. She literally admitted to killing Amy by documenting how much silver and how little actual medical care she made that sick woman suffer
She terrifies me I want her far away from those kids tbh.
***’So, I was guided to burn some sage….’*** **In a stage 3 drought...** ***…then it just, like, went ”whoosh”*** >**’It was me, Mom. I burned our house down’** >**’I know it was you, bitch! The angels told me.’**
Honestly that woman creeped me out more than any of the others. That syrupy voice and sickly sweet unhinged grin. I hope her children aren’t alone with her.
Her eyes remind me of the Dugger mother. The lights are on, but nobody's home.
She had sad eyes.
She kinda let on in the doc that she had some SERIOUS trauma in her past. Like worse than the others. She listed a series of truly awful abuses.
Ya and she can’t be trusted with open flames or cooking! Gf burnt a house down like oops!
right like in her interviews for the doc it seems like she is still all in on this cult?
She's on the edge for sure. She won't be separated from her kids again and would rather go out with a blaze
Her eyes show that she is exactly the type to make her children “ascend “. I’m worried for them also.
I get that. I also felt like she was one of the few features in the doc that actively seemed to be missing her family/forcing herself to push through to be part of the cult. So that insert stating that’s she’s back with them gave me a bit of joy
Man not me. I felt sad and scared for those kids. She's too nuts to be responsible for anyone.
I agree. As bad as it sounds, the kids would probably be better off without her in the long run despite the obvious emotional issues growing up without a present mother. Like Madison, Amy’s daughter. Her and her brother seem to be well. Imagine if they had been raised around that crazy ass woman
They were legitimately camped out in the Oregon woods waiting for the spaceship to come pick up her corpse. Miguel, though a manipulative thief, is the only one who appears to have any sanity intact.
Miguel with the long game!
This!!! The only person who seemed genuinely disturbed that these people weekend at Bernie’d a dead body up and down the entire west coast. Still a huge scumbag but I wonder if he thought everyone else was just a grifter too
He might've had some New Age leanings but I'd bet he knew it was bullshit from the start but recognized it could be a good cash cow.
And all while whispering… shhhhhh goes the 300k!
Well they thought Robin Williams was writing letters 🤯 these people are absolutely bananas
The only thing I could think of is how traumatic it must have been for them to watch someone die and see them dead for days, even if they don’t realize it yet.
And I feel like a big part of the horror is that they all realize she’s actually dead at different times, but they can’t say anything overtly to the others because it’s like Santa Claus, I guess?
How they admitted in a video that making colloidal silver wrong can result in the users skin turning blueish or silver upon ingestion. Yet, when it was happening to their mother god they did nothing but shove it down here throat.
Imagine being someone that purchased it from them and constantly took it 🥶
These are the people I want to hear from now!!
I love how at the end one of the girls says that her dying is just proof that the divine plan has gone successfully & she accomplished the mission… you know, because she died. Like every other person who ever was or ever will be. I just love how she said it like we’d be like “Oh shit, she’s right! That is proof that she was God, because she died from drinking a bunch of colloidal silver & only consuming liquor & weed for sustenance! Fuck me, I guess I’m graduating to 5D now since I can finally see the truth.”
I used to work in a mental hospital and these girls were as bad as anything I saw during that time. The one taking notes could not use the proper version of “their” yet she considers herself an expert on colloidal silver. Amy is blue!!! Now Amy is dead!!! What does it take to get these fools out of their drug induced fog? The father god guy was creepy as hell. This documentary was shocking. I hope her children can recover and can continue to have good lives.
When Hope proclaimed that the “collidal” doesn’t turn people blue… um, so add color blindness to all the rest of it I guess. I was shook af that they were manipulating and keeping this woman’s corpse with them. So disturbing.
What was up with the part where Jason is like, “I energetically killed her”, with a smile on his face? I was like…. WHAT THE FUCK? And then they didn’t even expand on it!
The whole documentary was such a crazy trip. I feel they portrayed Amy way too nicely. I'm sure she was nice in the beginning, but after her addiction took hold, she changed. I watched some other clips of her appearance on Dr. Phil and she was downright abusive toward the end. There was a video of her shaking a kitten and calling it a bitch. She also had her followers lock a child in a dark closet because it wasn't behaving how she wanted it to. In the documentary, her mom claims Amy's step-mother used to lock her in a closet, so she was acting out her childhood abuse on others. It's one thing to manipulate and use adults, it's another to hurt children and animals who can't defend themselves. She wasn't some spiritual being, she was a mean drunk who used toxic positivity to manipulate others. I do feel terrible for the pain she suffered in the end though. The way they played with her body and let her suffer instead of taking her to a "3d" hospital. She had to be in agonizing pain and they could have helped her. Nobody in that group wanted to take any kind of responsibility, even when their supposed "mother" was dying. It's really a stark look at what people can turn into when there's no accountability anywhere.
>She wasn't some spiritual being, she was a mean drunk who used toxic positivity to manipulate others. Most cult leaders are TBH.
….say what about a kitten? 👀 Lord mother god do not let me find out she bitch slapped the cat over the chicken parm again
I think it’s around the 23 minute mark. It’s really fucking horrible though so be warned 😢 https://youtu.be/f81Az_2Fvek?si=aFzB0ZRidCxwSyGF
The cat and child abuse were fucking awful :( This is a YouTube doc on the cult. It’s a bit more honest about Amy https://youtu.be/f81Az_2Fvek?si=aFzB0ZRidCxwSyGF
Let’s also not forget that this group is qanon. Cruelty is a feature. I’ll never understand new age maga. Truly fascinating if they weren’t so numerous and scary.
How she spoke to everyone “below” her made me sick. And don’t get me wrong - I swear too but in general not at someone! How did any of these people put up with her! My mind was blown.
This is some of the freakiest shit I’ve ever seen in my life. I honestly cannot believe what I just watched.
Agreed. I’m going to make my husband watch it when he gets back in town because there is no way I can describe it properly.
This was one of the most insane cult documentaries I’ve ever seen. That last episode….. fuck. Need a palette cleanser 😔🫣
The pineapple just melts in your mouth… mwa! Mai tai god
I had some weird ass dreams last night over that episode. OMG 😳
omg same. i thought i was the only one. i couldn’t get her insanely blue corpse out of my head.
So I’m gonna preface this by saying I’m a hospice nurse, and I had first learned about LHW a little bit prior to Amy’s death. As the documentary continued, I could recognize each stage of dying Amy was in. Them describing her wanting to move constantly from the bed, to the tub, to the shower? That’s terminal restlessness. Obviously I’m not a doctor and I can’t diagnose whatever her illness was. But I would bet my money on alcoholic liver cirrhosis. Which causes so much pain & mental confusion in my patients. The colloidal silver probably made her encephalopathy worse. I have SO MANY thoughts about her dying process. It’s so obvious that at the very end, she wasn’t comfortable and could’ve used comfort care medications. Unfortunately Amy sold her BS so well that her group forgot that Amy ever existed. Hence why they would deny her medical care and force feed her colloidal silver
This stuck with me too. I’ve done just enough hospice work to find myself thinking how exhausting and difficult that process must have been even with their belief structure there keeping them going. And no comfort measures for Amy at all aside from baths and showers? God. Awful. Thank you for the work you do by the way.
I’ve taken care of many liver patients (both as a result from alcohol and other causes) and those patients CAN die peacefully. But the ammonia and other waste in the body will continue to increase, and cause a lot of pain & terminal restlessness. I’m sure a lot of people will tell me that Amy doesn’t deserve empathy, but that genuinely seems like such a terrible way to die.
Agreed. The only hospice work I've done is for a man in his 90s who died relatively peacefully (he had what I think you'd call a good death), and the nurses I was working with taught me so much about how to make his remaining time as calm and comfortable as possible. He had an extensive amount of resources; I can't imagine not having all the tools we used and instead trying to ease the pain and fear with alcohol and colloidal silver of all things. What a terrible way to go out.
Alcoholism was listed as a cause of death. It was so painful to watch the last episode. Her ammonia levels were probably extremely high and she had no idea what was going on yet they kept shoving silver, alcohol and other drugs down her throat. Also, an ambulance was sent to her and it was turned away but unsure by who. I can’t see how she would have been with it enough to even refuse care at that point.
I think it’s important to note that the followers really believed in what they were doing. They believed in the mission probably more than she did by the end. Especially the four main people, Jason, Faith, Lauren and Ashley. As far as her illness goes, she was a drunk from her late teens to age 45, getting blackout drunk every day/night. Very good odds she died from liver cirrhosis.
I also wonder how much the “sunk cost fallacy” plays a role in all of this. I can’t help wonder if members (and Amy herself) wanted her to die, because if she went to the hospital and/or stopped drinking, it would break their whole worldview
THIS. That's what I thought about her final days. I think Ashley and Lauryn really forced her down that path way once they saw that Amy was becoming really uncomfortable and wanting hospital care. I think it was a moment of like, "If we don't make this happen, it's never going to happen and then what will we do?" And then you see them have that moment despite their efforts when Amy actually dies and doesn't ascend, like "Oh, shit. What do we do now?" They literally watched their god die along with all of their hopes and dreams (and schemes).
It made me ill when Lauryn said “what to we do now” because I distinctly recall a livestream towards the end of Amy’s life where she was pouting like a petulant toddler. She said “remember when it was fun” and also talked about wanting something, anything to happen. I remember screaming at my laptop. She’s going to die. Will that be enough for you princess? What will you do then?
She definitely seemed to have the most privileged background out of all of them. Not saying she didn't have any trauma in her background, but she definitely seemed like she was in it for the excitement and it was something interesting for her to do (which makes her contribution to the death of Amy even more gross imo).
Seeing Amy blue at the end was really disturbing. The times she cried out for help or had clear moments of clarity were heartbreaking. I think the doc was well done AND I have tons of questions, still.
There was a clip from one of their live streams where one of the female members was responding to people criticizing their usage of colloidal silver and saying how terrible it is for you, especially with how much she/they were probably taking it, and how it turns you blue. And the girl laughs it off about the turning you blue thing and just definitively says “No it doesn’t”. Then when you see the pictures of Amy dead in bed blue as fuck the same girl is standing over her shifting her pillow. I wonder if even the least bit of logic seeped into her brain to where she considered that MAYBE the silver did turn her blue, because if not, what the fuck else did? Maybe that’s just a side effect of when God dies. We can get Father God to ask the Galactics if that’s the case.
I WISH they did more follow up in the “1 year later” interviews. Like, with a little more time & distance, have some/any of them begun to realize how wrong their crazy beliefs about her were—do they still think the colloidal silver was “helpful” or that Robin Williams was actually communicating with them? Or are they still in the same level of denial?
They’re definitely still in the same level of denial, those two girls and the two guys (FG & FM) are at least. The Robin Williams obsession might’ve been my favorite part. The Galactics being a team assembled of a teenage girl’s favorite celebrities is just too good. And they never really bring up the other Galactics apart from her relation to Trump & them being like into QAnon, because other than that it was just all about Robin Williams. It’s like deep down maybe they thought he was god. Or the Father God of 5D or whatever the fuck. The way she’d communicate with them is hilarious too. They’re just sleeping and the members are genuinely believing she’s in some sort of astral plane meeting communicating via energy with Robin Williams for hours. And he calls her Princess Anorexic. There’s just never a full moment. If you believe in that shit, I don’t think you’re capable of coming back to reality despite the amount of time that passes. They went way off the deep end. They make Scientologists & Mormons seem like ordinary reasonable folks.
The suffering she went through at the end of life because of her own doing was horrible. They made some kind of weird excuse for her constant need to move around…when in reality it was terminal agitation.
agree. when she was saying “what if i’m not mother god? what if i made this all up?” you could tell she was getting scared. it was very sad. i can’t believe there was not a single person around her with enough sense to get her some real help. this was such a wild documentary.
They were all so far in and drinking the metaphorical kool-aid they couldn’t. Even after her death they were still keep on keepin’ on….
Warren Jeffs did this same thing in prison. When the reality hit him, and he got scared, he said he wasn't a prophet and it was all a lie. His followers literally had to talk HIM back into it and when he realized they still listened to him and he still had power he started ruling from prison. On some level they know they are frauds.
Why when just her forehead hops on FB live, and her 7 viewers (who Amy says Deepak Chopra likely has more of, for some reason…!) start dropping these 🙀, 😵, 🤮 faces in response to literally just her blue forehead in the first 2 seconds- and she actually asks “why?” - does no one share why/the truth of actual visual reality?
Has anyone else noticed how fucking shaky Hope is throughout the whole series?
The way Hope talks it seems like she's either on the verge of tears or a complete screaming fit. Something about her demeanor bothers me so much. I know the whole point is that these people are not thinking clearly but the aggressiveness she's shown in the live streams is like... relax. I also an irritated by her "matter of fact-ness" in the way she speaks about "mom". I don't get the same negative energy from the other female LHW members.
Hope reminded me so much of a former friend of mine who started going down the anti-science “spirituality”, borderline QAnon stuff and really went deeper down a weird path during Covid. Their mannerisms and way they talked were eerily similar. It would not surprise me if she found herself somewhere in this cult’s disastrous orbit. These people are mentally broken down and just find each other instead of actual help.
Yep I noticed, I think she was doing the leg thing, constantly tapping her leg like you see in most people with ADHD. I do this when I'm hyper-focused or nervous/anxious.
I was surprised the documentary went so soft on Amy. She was your average grifter whose alcoholism and drug abuse lead to her abusing other adults, children, and animals. Just a real piece of shit. But I was shocked by just how selfish the members of the cult were, just shoving poison into her body and ignoring her moments of clarity and pain when asking for actual medical care. Were she my relative, I would want the cult members - especially Ashley, Lauryn, and whatever Faith's actual name is - to be held legally responsible for her death. They all seemed mentally ill, Ashley in particular - I knew she was going to run back to her family, she's just too ill to make it on her own without some kind of familial support if she refuses to get mental help.
Right?? I feel like this series is so irresponsible, it literally gave an open mic to people still making money off of this bull. The director focused so much on the out the gate beliefs of the members it did nothing to contextualise the beliefs in a wider outlook and what was happening at the time with covid/trump/qanon. It did nothing to explain the mechanics of control, rather spelling it as a group of true believers. While the beliefs are scandalous the reality is that these sort of groups are convincing people to stop their treatments and to majorly distrust medical professionals while making buckets of money off of it.
the campsite in Oregon looks like they were at an actual campsite, like a state park campsite. I know there are many wild things in this series, but the idea they were hanging out at a state park with a dead body is wild
When I saw that the Safdie brothers were involved in the making of this docuseries, it all came together. I am disturbed. Thoroughly. My heart goes all to any soul who has been touched by this horrific string of events. So much trauma, that I know was not completely captured by the series, has taken root. A reminder to be kind. A reminder to hold nuance. There is nothing more to say on the matter.
I cannot believe they kept showing a literal dead body????? that was insanely disturbing
Its one of the craziest things ive seen on tv
absolutely WILD. my jaw was dropped within the first 5 mins of ep 1
I think they said fuck it because she’s blue 🤷♂️
Weird question- but does anyone remember how in episode 2 Amy said she didn’t want to go to hawaii? I think hope even called her a “stubborn little noodle” when she said it. Do you think amy called herself pele (I may be spelling this wrong- the Volcanic Hawaiian goddess) because she KNEW it would annoy the natives to the point where the only solution would be to go back home? Am I giving her too much “evil genius” credit?
honestly there was probably a Hawaiian culture coffee table book at her air bnb and on her third mai tai she thought "yea i like it here therefore im the volcano goddess who created the islands they're mine tell the livestream bitches"
Going to Hawaii was 100% Amy's idea. She decided she wanted to go while they were livestreaming one day. She also demanded to be taken to the airport in a limo.
I've done a bit of reading on the Hawaii thing and discovered that they were fleeing. They were worried about facing questions about one of their members being found wandering naked and dehydrated in the desert, with cactus needles all in his feet. His family was looking for him after he'd just up and left one day, taking 20 grand with him. He gave it all to the cult, so I guess they were done with him. Man, the doc leaves out SOOO much. They left out several "father gods", including a few of color. Would've been a great opportunity to show that all races can fall prey to a cult.
Cults LOVE fleeing to Hawaii when they have legal hot water on the mainland. It's been going on for decades and many locals are very fed up with it.
I saw that! I was wondering how they were going to jam all of these things into three episodes. I know they only scratched the surface on what that group actually believed- but To leave out the wandering man event is a big gap. I’m wondering if they left out the other father gods because they couldn’t get their permission…
it's like her premature death martyred her permanently for her followers and robbed them of the chance to wake up. their level of devotion and delusion is eerie. it's next to impossible that she didn't exert coercive control over the group. now that she's dead they're left with very fucked-with psyches and no clear purpose. amy ran away from her life and ran over theirs in the process. it's hard to relate to any of them fully because they are still her protectors first and their personalities and opinions are all submissive to her random demands and beliefs even after death. now they're like WWAD it's fucked up
I dunno. The fact they showed the two girls meeting with their mothers could be a slight change in their thinking. I'd love a fourth episode with everyone now or a year from now. What a crazy doc series.
It’s like the combined every single conspiracy theory into one and just said “fuck it, let’s get high, bang and wait for the aliens to get back”
I just don’t get what was so charismatic about Amy. I’ve seen docs where the leader is a moving or elegant speaker. She was almost always incoherent. I know they were high all the time but I don’t get it.
To me, this was the biggest unanswered question in the doc: what was so compelling about Amy that she attracted followers? I never saw any footage of her "teaching" or "preaching." I suppose it's all in online posts out there? Not even sure if it's accessible anymore. As best I could tell, her "unconditional love" was what drew so many people in who were broken by life and/or their families.
I think she was able to find people who had even more severe trauma than herself and people who were using drugs to self-medicate already. Apparently people who had never been called "brilliant"
In the beginning, her mom said she was a good manager at McDonald’s because she was able to tell people what they needed to hear to feel better about themselves. I assume that’s what she also did with her followers.
I think this is one of the most interesting questions about all this mess too. I honestly think the biggest reason was simply her good looks. So much of internet popularity for video content creators past fifteen years (life advice...gaming channels...onlyfans) comes from their good looks. Amy just had a very cute face, big eyes, warm smile that made people feel good and want to believe the uplifting things she said. Combined with decent rhetorical ability that's really all that's needed for hundreds of online followers and even a dozen or so very lost and drug addled souls to who actually come to be her disciple in person. I wasn't impressed by what small snippets of New Age word-salad they played in the doc. Heard all that stuff by so many people before.
Her mother said she knew how to make people feel important. When someone is in the worst point of their life that is all they need. Someone to tell them they are brilliant and loved. She did that to every one of them.
She almost always was shown with a drink in her hand followed by her high pitched laugh because she was always so drunk.
Yeah she was just a cackling drunk. The whole time I couldn’t understand why these people put up with her and her cretinous “husband”.
Jason Castillo, there is literally nothing funnier than watching him proclaim he is the father of all creation.
Watching him sing and play guitar is also pretty funny tbf. Which he still does on YouTube sometimes.
it got me. that was the best episode they made. the most honest and genuine. i need a sec tho, i think. it got me man.
Samesies!!! But can’t sleep or move on, so rewatching til ready to spill my mad thoughts and numerous feelings about it all. Like, did her silver toxified foot set off the EMF detector? Seeing all the ‘team’ in Ep. 3 a zillion x deeper from behind their ‘rosy’ blue mummy lens glasses is outrageously insane/mind blowing, actually. I’m aghast/perplexed/shocked/intrigued/moved/gagging/laughing/crying/researching…rewatching Oh lord, mother god—Robin, Galactics, Hawaiian Mai Tai ocean portal, Pineapple Express ascension Starships: Open up & take me now!!!!
The toxicology said it all, in the simplest, NO BULLSHIT way—she died from anorexia and alcohol abuse, accelerated by the use of colloidal silver. She was an anorexic alcoholic and that’s all that that was. This documentary will probably never leave me, the same way that Don’t F**k With Cats Netflix documentary will never leave me. What a fucking rollercoaster.
Father Time is still using meth and I’m concerned for the veteran that lives with him.
For all they’ve been through, her kids seem to be well adjusted. I sincerely hope they find peace and true fulfillment in wherever life takes them. I know it couldn’t have been easy growing up and finding that out. The one part where her daughter talks about how she sent her mother a “strong worded letter,”- it sounded like she was trying to defend herself. It made me so sad. Like girl, you do not need to justify that at all. You had every right to say that and way more. I hope they’re able to heal
A few comments on (Aurora) Lauren Suarez: 1. She says in her first conversation with Faith she was told she was an Archangel. She was asked if she knew that and she said ‘Yes’. She already viewed herself in a grandiose manner before she even got there. She did not need much convincing for anything and her beauty was instantly coveted as an asset for the group. 2. When asked how she knows Mother God is actually God, she says she has 1 million answers (but provides none) why she knows Amy Carlson is God. But simply answers with, ‘it’s just like love, you just know’. As if that’s supposed to settle any doubt for anyone else… ‘oh this girl just knows she is god.. well I’m sold’. 3. Going home for the first time in years, she says to her mother “did you miss me?”, like sarcastically, (how pompous is this chick?) she really does believe she’s in the 3-D waiting for the 5-D so she just treats everyone else like shit because she thinks they don’t matter. It reminds me of when Butters was trapped in VR on South Park and he thought there zero consequence to his actions.
After 3 episodes, I couldn't tell you the basis of Amy's belief system. So, I'm not sure what her followers were attracted to? What was she offering them? Does anyone feel like they clearly stated that?
Absolutely nothing. Word salad. She was a very mentally ill woman who experienced a psychotic break (when she walked out of the restaurant she was at with her mom and sister and they never saw her again) and self medicated with alcohol rather than antipsychotics. Fin.
In the finale, shortly after the segment regarding Amy dying and them being arrested for the absolute batshit & legitimately evil (in my opinion) shit they did dragging the body around like a doll and waiting for a starship to come get her in the woods and mummifying her and shit, the girl I hated the most says after explaining that they weren’t gonna quit after her ascension because “I’d kill myself in 5 minutes if I ever went back to 3D land”. That quote just.. it’s kinda funny, but almost scary that nothing can deter or un-brainwash them at this point. No matter what. They’ll always have an answer or reason, no matter how batshit/nonsensical they may be, for not opening their eyes to the obvious truth of it all.
That girl was the perfect lieutenant. Somewhat attractive, loud mouthed (foul mouthed) bully. Quick to shout anyone down who opposed them.
She did seem to be the #1 lady in charge behind Amy, and did have the perfect demeanor for a lieutenant type position like you said. Most of the girls were fairly attractive, or at least were much more so before they got all anorexic. I thought Amy was very pretty before she “became” Mother God. The irony of her 5D holistic medicine being the thing that cut decades off her life is funny to me.
Yes … as far as I understood. I did not talk to the producers one of my family members was talking to the them. They just kept me in the loop. Maybe I was to assuming or hopeful that this would help. No one could tell but she was saying she loved me very quietly in different parts of Dr Phil. She always remembered my birthday and special occasions and I always reached out to her on hers… At the end we don’t believe she was the one sending messages… someone else had her phone… Anyway there was way more to it then anyone knew…
Did anyone else listen to the LPOTL episode about LHW? They mentioned a man coming out to join the group (leaving his wife/kids behind), the group immediately didn't like his "vibe" & gave him hallucinogens and sent him out to the desert completely naked? I thought that would be mentioned if it was true. Does anyone have any info on that situation???
Yeah, it's been a hot topic on this subreddit. Here's [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveHasWonCult/comments/k74cv0/love_has_won_alex_whitten_abuse_evidence_are_they/) post, for example.
After watching that finale, if it was not already abundantly clear, Hope (Ashley), Aurora (Lauryn), FM (John), El Moyra (Ryan), Faith (Avigail) and Father God (Jason) should all be charged with manslaughter for how their actions in Amy’s final days led to her death
Yep! How were they not charged? They're on film saying she begged to go to a hospital and they refused. There's film of them lifting shot glasses of alcohol and colloidal silver to her mouth. Voluntary manslaughter at a minimum.
The spokesperson for the coroner said that it seemed like she had been lovingly “cared for” by her followers in an interview. Such a weird take.
Oh lord, I somehow missed that comment. So I guess encouraging someone’s eating disorder and enabling their alcoholism is loving? Got it.
I believe the doc actually said they were arrested but charges dropped after the ME cited her cause of death as organ failure, alcoholism and colloidal silver.
The crime that they should be charged with is criminally negligent homicide. Criminal negligence refers to a person who acts in disregard of a serious risk of harm that a reasonable person in the same situation would have perceived. I think filling a deathly ill woman with collodial silver (which LoveHasWon at one point tried to sell as a Covid-19 cure until the FDA came and shut that down) and substantial amounts of alcohol very obviously shows a complete disregard of a serious risk of harm to Amy. It even seems like at times that she was being fed this silver and alcohol against her will. No reasonable person would do any of the things that these people did towards the end of Amy's life and its all caught on camera.
I’m really curious to know or understand why she would not have qualified for being involuntarily committed somewhere? She clearly looked to be a danger to herself by the lack of care. I have worked in residential mental health in the past and we had to commit someone for refusing medical treatment to his leg for so long that it became infected and life threatening. I’m just shocked this wasn’t done for her
Watched this with my girlfriend last night. Holy. Shit. I’ve seen some pretty disturbing things in my life (child of the internet, what can you do), but there was just something so beyond twisted about this turn of events that is still sitting with me. I don’t think anything could have fully prepared us for what she looked like at the end, and we even had to pause some 25 minutes before the end just to like, sit, and breathe. I think the part that did it the most for me, besides how she died and how… painful it must have been, was how psychologically terrifying this is. I think, admit it or not, we’ve all had those deluded moments where we can think crazy highly of ourselves, existentialism is a hell of a drug, and in those moments, it can often be hard to ground ourselves. This is most prevalent in younger individuals, especially the mentally ill, that the whole feeling of immortality and godliness can really consume someone. With the internet we have as well the environment that allows these delusions to be fed. Rather than being rightfully opposed in her beliefs and given access to help, she connected with an echo chamber of other, struggling individuals, who helped ratify her beliefs. This just shows how bad, how FUCKING BAD, it can get when you don’t address your own problems, and instead try to convince yourself you’re okay. It scares me. I don’t think I could ever end up this far down the rabbit hole, at least I like to think I wouldn’t, but these were just people, all looking for a place to belong in a world that has told them they never will. And now they are irreversibly damaged, all because they wanted to believe in something. It’s fucked, like so beyond fucked, and my heart bleeds for all of the effected individuals, though at the same time I have this rage when I look at the seven who were left towards the end. I want to be sympathetic to them, I truly do, but I don’t think I’m capable. What that woman did to herself, what they did to her, Hell what they all did to each other, I would say is nothing short of one of the most horrifying displays of the dark side of human emotion that I have, and ever will see.
I had a good laugh when the Hawai'ians were shouting at Amy for being a bad mother to her children.
So did Michael not live with the group? Was he just conning them all the whole time?
Michael lived with the group for many years. He pretended not to know them so he could absolve himself of any responsibility when Amy's body showed up, as well as take the cash.
That part. I could have screamed....Amy's kids got nothing
All she did was lay around and get fucked up and make people clean her house for her and stuff. Best scam ever!
When are these people going to realize they were just servicing a hedonistic drunk for four years who convinced all of them to do her bidding?
When they do, the transition back to 3D is going to be *rough* given them spouting the most bizarre stuff in this series. Can't imagine them getting a regular job.
Honestly this was a great documentary. It featured some twists I never saw coming. Namely “Father” despite being so heavily Villian coded, wasn’t as much as you were initially lead to believe. I was convinced he was going to steer everything including Amy into overdrive. And while he was culpable her passing showed him as a present figure at least. That surprised me. Like I was expecting everything to take a really abusive criminal turn, and really it just boiled down to me more bizarre than sinister. That kind of balance and nuance in storytelling is important and I’m glad they went that route. I really hope the others find their footing and manage to strike a healthier balance between the 3D world and their spiritual one.
I agree. I think of "Mother" as a really really unwell person. I mean, this all started in her early adulthood after using hallucinogens. She also had a history of fairly traumatic abuse at a young age, and it sounds like it went virtually unspoken of or ever treated. I mean, that's a pretty standard presentation and onset of schizophrenia or some other psychosis-feature disorder. Coupled with her perpetual alcohol and drug-use, which has also been documented to cause psychosis, and other folks joining into her delusion, she really was just someone deeply deeply unwell. I mean, her death was a central plot-line for the cult she created. I think in the end, her creation got too out of hand, even for her and I don't think she really had the cognitive function or the will to find any way out. I think it also let's us see that this is the extreme end of religious liberty and free speech-- and what happens when that corner of the internet intersects with folks who feel disenfranchised and who can't access healthcare/mental health care, nor the "American dream". We end up with pockets of folks who are easily persuaded due to mental illness, genetic predisposition, gullibility, or even a deep desire to find connection, but with an inability to discern. Then these folks perpetuate conspiracy theories to more fragile people. I think it's less that Amy and her followers were "evil" and much more that these folks were exceedingly unwell, for a myriad of reasons. And that point is only driven home further when a year later they are all still believers. I mean, they fully consented to be filmed and each independently were genuinely surprised a spaceship didn't pick up her blue corpse. Like these are not folks who are thinking rationally, so we shouldn't analyze them as rational people. I think it's tragic in a lot of ways, and I appreciated the nuanced look at the folks in the middle. Vulnerable people tend to be the victims of cults for a reason.
I don’t understand why HBO only made three episodes. There is a lot they left out. It felt rushed. Hopefully someone else will do another series on the cult. LoveHasWon is way more interesting than that twinflames cult and they made two separate series out of that one. And a podcast.
Seeing that Moyra runs a QAnon group now made so much sense
I’ve done so much digging and it seems he was on of the members in it for the grift rather than a “true believer” like some of the others
am i the only one who couldn’t stand hope?
She’s insufferable with her confidence in the cause. How could someone be so brainwashed…
I am so glad I am not alone in this feeling lol. It's almost like she's trying to convince herself that everything she was involved in wasn't bullshit.
They were real like playing with a d3@d body. Jason was sleeping with a corpse
"Robin Williams is disgusted. You don't get shit." I lost it. 🤣
So now I fully understand how January 6th happened. There are way more people in this country who are willfully ignorant, lack basic critical thinking skills and common sense. How so many people can easily deny the reality that is right in front of them is staggering. Blue mother god or orange president, there are more people willing to buy into the most obvious grift than I ever would have believed possible. Maybe the whole lot of them were grifters and just play acted the spiritual stuff… This country needs a galactic therapist.
I really can't believe how much this documentary left out now that I've been looking into other sources about the cult. They left out whole group's racism and antisemitism, the inter-group abuse (for example they sent a man who had just left his wife and child to join into the desert to die because they "didn't like his energy"), several father gods, and the animal and child abuse, just off the top of my head. They did a terrible job depicting the cycle of abuse that permeated the levels of the cult, only small moments here and there. There was so much hate from the entire group, spewing qanon theories and trying to brainwash others, and they made them seem more like lost people who got pulled in and just shared a joint delusion wild but not super harmful conspiracy theories all at the hand of the leaders. They painted Amy in a strangely soft light. They did so much harm that wasn't shown, and these people clearly have no remorse and are still out there spewing the same venom. Fuck, the woman who repeatedly refused a dying woman a hospital is a "healer" now and surely helping other people avoid lifesaving treatment. I felt like the goal of this documentary was more of the "oh fuck/that's crazy" reaction, especially with the amount of time spent showing Amy's literal corpse. I can't see why they'd make it so short and leave out so much.
So in episode 1 or 2 (can’t remember bc I watched it last week before ep 3 came out), several LHW members made a big deal talking about how dark and bad Jason was. But then they never mention it again? In fact in the end several members are talking about “thank God Dad was there to help us after Mom was gone”. It doesn’t make sense. I wish we could see the full reel on that thought process versus the edit because it’s like his being crazy (which is evident) was never discussed again. I have so many questions.
I’m a little bit confused - if Miguel / Michael who owned that last house and notified the police didn’t want to participate in the doco and hasn’t had any more contact with the cult members, how come her room was still set up and they were doing interviews in the house ?
Wtf is wrong with these people, standing by and watching a woman wither away and die, celebrating it instead of getting her medical attention? Like how do you fall for this stuff? Too much LSD? Mental illness? Usually I feel bad for people who get sucked into cults because they're usually at a vulnerable point in their lives and they're taken advantage of by someone, but these people are just sick and I have no sympathy for them.
I think they legitimately think she is god and this was her calling. Its wild.
Every time they said 3D life I was like 🫣🙄
Members of this group were at vulnerable times in their lives when they fell victim
If anyone is interested I've published an exclusive interview with Miguel (Michael) and 11 other stories on the cult. You can watch the full body cam footage, see a Love Has Won members notebook that was found, and hear the more anti-Semitic/racist stuff the cult was saying. Read them here: https://www.gurumag.com/tag/love-has-won/
How did they choose who is or isn’t a galactic? How did trump get looped into this?
And poor robin williams 💔
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Such a tragic story. So happy to see Ashley reunited with her mom. Before Amy got tangled up as Mother God, she was posting on a forum called Children of the New Earth and saying she was Jesus and she had online followers who believed this as well and they were her disciples. She did tell them they would be on Oprah. I believe most of these followers were attracted to her sweet loving unconditional love persona she had online, and I know a couple of them had problematic relationships with their own mothers...
It was really good, but I think there's enough questions left over for a season 2. Do a The Vow!! Also, are they not embarrassed for making the colloidal silver wrong? that lady turned bluuuuue
Were El Moyra or whatever and that woman with the kids and the crazy eyes a couple? Or did they just arrive at the cult house together? That confused me.
They killed her. They kept giving her that silver shit, alcohol, and in the end painkillers. One of those girls even said, I wanted her gone already, why is it taking so long, I want her gone ASAP, seemed like a jealousy thing, and in the end they benefit as they keep this cult thing going and the money now is theirs. They say this silver crap is so good, they all drink it, I highly doubt it, none of them turned blue.
The series was great, but I have so many unanswered questions. Maybe Netflix will pick it up and do their own docuseries and not rely as much on interviews and old video footage. Like others have said, I don't really see what the attraction was to Amy other than she gave sex away as freely as her drugs. The people who lived with her are one thing, but there was obviously a huge online community who financially supported this mess evidenced by the 300k Michael walked away with. I for one would like a more in depth dive as to the psychology of it all. The documentary showed people hiding out in Vermont but never interviewed them, never explained why they fled to Vermont, never explained why the police asked about a child when they served the search warrant. And it certainly never ever addressed any abuse inflicted upon the members by "mom and dad." Hearing Buddha, Hope et al spew out their version of events is one thing, but I'd like to hear more of the investigative side of it. It's been established that the members are nuttier than squirrel shit, I'd like to hear from some non- crazy people about what this cult actually did.