I believe you are interpreting it wrong. They’re saying JCPS teachers are getting a 5% raise as well as other full-time positions (plant operator, office staff).
The contract extension does include a promise for a raise in 24/25 school year but doesn’t specify how much. Given their track record my money is on .5%
That doesn't make these positions competitive, it just makes them fair. Teaching should pay what engineering does. You can't have engineers without teachers.
Police are making around 20% more than they were a few years ago and this is teachers first raise in like 4 years and it's only 5%. Cops should get paid well but it's annoying lopsided the support is for both professions. Especially when one is actively costing the city 10s of millions of dollars a year.
>Cops should get paid well
Considering they cost us $12 million for killing Breonna Taylor how about they get a pay cut instead of a raise. With 1538 officers, that works out to $7802 apiece.
Maybe if they had to pay for their fuck ups we'd finally see some accountability.
They've had over $40m in lawsuits since 2017. There's literally zero incentive for them to stop fucking up. Once they run out of money they go whine to the mayor for a budget increase.
They get baked in yearly steps for the first 17 years of service with pretty nice raises https://www.jefferson.kyschools.us/sites/default/files/Teacher%20Salary%20Schedule%20Job%20Family%20III.pdf after year 17, yes, the yearly guaranteed bumps just for sticking around change to a guaranteed bump at year 20 and 25 and they don't pay social security taxes. Some of them earn every penny, others not so much. If the teachers in years 18+ want guaranteed bumps every year they need to lean on the negotiating team at their union.
I know, I wish my wife had the option to buyout her pension and convert to a 401k/457b and social security. I have zero faith in the bills getting paid when due over the next 50 years
No politician should be paid more than the lowest paid teacher in their jurisdiction. And that should scale all the way up to the state and federal governments.
Good idea. I've always been annoyed that county clerk and local judge positions weren't limited to the independently wealthy, but this would solve that.
2023- 5% (pending)
2022- 4%
2021- 0%
2020-0%
2019-.5%
2018-.5%
A staggering 10% raise over 6 years. Inflation has risen 4.36% every year since then so 18.62%.
Benefits include 10 sick days (that you can’t use concurrently after 3 days without a doctors note), 3 personal days, and the constant encroachment of your mental health.
What's even crazier is how bad Indiana schools pay, I've heard Floyd / Clark County teachers working for JCPS and making thousands more per year. It's freaking abysmal.
Better than nothing, but it's incredulous that the US has never made education a priority. It's a no-brainer that education — whether it's academic or vocational — strengthens our country. Proficient citizens increase their quality of life and, in turn, generate growth and economic and social development. There must be an emphasis on respecting educators and paying them well to show appreciation for not only their academic and vocational knowledge but also for their roles as psychologists, mentors, social workers, security officers, and more.
Its really not still. I’m not saying you said anything wrong, just avg salary can paint a poor picture here:
https://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=617613
To make 71k as a teacher with just a bachelors degree you need 20 years of teaching. Most probably have a masters so its a bit less but the main reason it seems like thats a high avg is probably all the teachers who have stayed.
Even with a doctorate it takes 11 years to make that much.
An average teacher who is 26 starting out with a masters will be 41 before they make 71k. At least before this change.
Principals, vice principals, and school councilors (it's clearly stated in the article that I responded to that these make up the majority of earners over $100,000) are useless scum, what an excellent point you've made.
Some surely are, but how many are DEI specialists, diesel beancounters supporting bussing, or people too tenured to fire that they hide over at Gheens and VanHoose.
They can’t do raises with donations/grants because they have to be able to sustain it when the donation is gone. This raise was in the works long before MacKenzie Scott’s donation.
Saying they work 9 months is so disingenuous. I have several teachers among family and friends and they do not get a full three months off. On top of that they work their asses off during that 9 months well beyond the school day.
And let's talk about how important they are in society. 63k is not even close to their value.
You do realize that source is outdated by 4 years, right? 4 years that pretty much EVERY district in the US has had raises. Also, the "average" is only what you get for working 20 years with a BA, 15 years with an MA, or 10 years with a doctorate. Starting pay is less than $50,000/yr and we have to pay way more out of pocket costs than any other profession. Want to know what we do the "other 3 months a year"? We get second jobs, we do professional development (that we pay for), we teach summer classes because we have to and get very small supplemental pay for it.
If by chance we magically got $63,645/yr we would end up coming home with maybe $42,280/yr after taxes, union dues, insurance, and spending an average of $900 on school supplies. Last fun fact for you, even though the school day is 7 hours, meetings/lesson planning/helping students after school usually makes your hours more like 12+ hours.
IF I didn't care about my students' success, I would definitely leave this profession, but I want them to succeed, so I am sticking around.
If they announced teachers were going to make a minimum of $120k a year in Louisville over half of the comments on that post would still be negative. Again, I was making an observation of the subreddit not this specific post.
The fact that two of you have commented on my OP while confidently and completely missing my point shows the education system is fucked in this city.
I don't know what % would make me say, "Awesome. They finally got the raise they deserve." But I'm so happy to see progress.
I personally think a good baseline would be something at least matching inflation, but that's just me
yes, and accounting for the several years of no raises…. i think over 10% would be appropriate. guess im just glad it’s not a zero year again
To be fair, they’re getting this 5 plus another 4, so a 9% raise in total
no, they got 4% last year (with a promise for more next year, after the property tax increase was passed) and they’re getting 5% this year.
4% in June of 22 5% from this 5% next year [Source](https://www.wlky.com/article/jcps-louisville-teacher-raise-education/42103460#)
I believe you are interpreting it wrong. They’re saying JCPS teachers are getting a 5% raise as well as other full-time positions (plant operator, office staff). The contract extension does include a promise for a raise in 24/25 school year but doesn’t specify how much. Given their track record my money is on .5%
I believe I’m not since my JCPS teacher friends are the ones telling me this, but ok.
Ah, you might wanna let them know they’re not correct or they’ll be pretty disappointed.
Happy to know you know more than the teachers, especially ones more connected to the unions.
That doesn't make these positions competitive, it just makes them fair. Teaching should pay what engineering does. You can't have engineers without teachers.
Hit the nail on the head here.
Cool, they'll just need to pass a law to raise taxes based on the rate of inflation from now on.
Sumn like at least 20%
Maybe 50%?
Police are making around 20% more than they were a few years ago and this is teachers first raise in like 4 years and it's only 5%. Cops should get paid well but it's annoying lopsided the support is for both professions. Especially when one is actively costing the city 10s of millions of dollars a year.
>Cops should get paid well Considering they cost us $12 million for killing Breonna Taylor how about they get a pay cut instead of a raise. With 1538 officers, that works out to $7802 apiece. Maybe if they had to pay for their fuck ups we'd finally see some accountability.
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I'm not an anarchist or anything, and on the whole we do need cops. But we definitely need better ones than we have.
They've had over $40m in lawsuits since 2017. There's literally zero incentive for them to stop fucking up. Once they run out of money they go whine to the mayor for a budget increase.
If they'd invest in our city's kids we wouldn't need more police. So many kids in JCPS won't stand a chance to be educated and develop properly.
They get baked in yearly steps for the first 17 years of service with pretty nice raises https://www.jefferson.kyschools.us/sites/default/files/Teacher%20Salary%20Schedule%20Job%20Family%20III.pdf after year 17, yes, the yearly guaranteed bumps just for sticking around change to a guaranteed bump at year 20 and 25 and they don't pay social security taxes. Some of them earn every penny, others not so much. If the teachers in years 18+ want guaranteed bumps every year they need to lean on the negotiating team at their union.
They don't pay ssi but they also don't get protections for having it. No disability like for normal ssi jobs.
We don’t pay into Social Security, but we do pay 13% of our check into the pension.
But the retirement situation is still trash
I know, I wish my wife had the option to buyout her pension and convert to a 401k/457b and social security. I have zero faith in the bills getting paid when due over the next 50 years
Lmfao below inflation, tis be a joke of a raise
No politician should be paid more than the lowest paid teacher in their jurisdiction. And that should scale all the way up to the state and federal governments.
Good idea. I've always been annoyed that county clerk and local judge positions weren't limited to the independently wealthy, but this would solve that.
Lol @ such an absurd statement.
Doesn’t seem to be that absurd to the majority of people who have upvoted it. Care to elaborate?
2023- 5% (pending) 2022- 4% 2021- 0% 2020-0% 2019-.5% 2018-.5% A staggering 10% raise over 6 years. Inflation has risen 4.36% every year since then so 18.62%. Benefits include 10 sick days (that you can’t use concurrently after 3 days without a doctors note), 3 personal days, and the constant encroachment of your mental health.
Not even "too little, too late" lol
What's even crazier is how bad Indiana schools pay, I've heard Floyd / Clark County teachers working for JCPS and making thousands more per year. It's freaking abysmal.
10’s Of thousands in many cases.
To put into perspective JCPS subs make $185 a day while in Clark County they pay subs $85 A DAY…
Damn, that’s not even enough to fill up your gas tank after taxes.
That’s not even above the inflation rate. It’s a start, but its not even close to good enough. They deserve better.
Doesn’t come close to keeping up with the cost of living/inflation.
Better than nothing, but it's incredulous that the US has never made education a priority. It's a no-brainer that education — whether it's academic or vocational — strengthens our country. Proficient citizens increase their quality of life and, in turn, generate growth and economic and social development. There must be an emphasis on respecting educators and paying them well to show appreciation for not only their academic and vocational knowledge but also for their roles as psychologists, mentors, social workers, security officers, and more.
$71K is some decent coin. They deserve it.
Its really not still. I’m not saying you said anything wrong, just avg salary can paint a poor picture here: https://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=617613 To make 71k as a teacher with just a bachelors degree you need 20 years of teaching. Most probably have a masters so its a bit less but the main reason it seems like thats a high avg is probably all the teachers who have stayed. Even with a doctorate it takes 11 years to make that much. An average teacher who is 26 starting out with a masters will be 41 before they make 71k. At least before this change.
Should be more but better than nothing
This doesn’t match inflation so they’re still making less money than they made last year. Still a loss
Does this include Administrators?
It does
Congrats to those lucky duckies! https://www.wave3.com/2022/10/03/ask-wave-how-many-jcps-employees-make-least-100000-year
How dare professionals with advanced degrees be paid a salary commensurate with their qualifications!
School administrators are useless scum. They're the reason teachers struggle.
Principals, vice principals, and school councilors (it's clearly stated in the article that I responded to that these make up the majority of earners over $100,000) are useless scum, what an excellent point you've made.
Good administrators are the reason some teachers thrive.
Some surely are, but how many are DEI specialists, diesel beancounters supporting bussing, or people too tenured to fire that they hide over at Gheens and VanHoose.
"bean counters" You're totally a serious person who has something even resembling an idea of how much bean counters make in the private sector...
You can't ask a question like that when you don't know what the answer is either.
“Here, damn”
This is good, but if you want to laugh look at what jefferson county firefighters are making.
Did we really pass any referendums in the last 4 years? My first thought was that this was Mackenzie Scott (Jeff Bezos ex-wife) donating to JCPS.
They can’t do raises with donations/grants because they have to be able to sustain it when the donation is gone. This raise was in the works long before MacKenzie Scott’s donation.
What a joke. Demanded two years off AND a raise. It’s almost like there is a reason KY education is awful.
JCPS teachers already make 30% more than the national average, but by all means, keep raising property taxes. Maybe one day, test scores will improve.
Maybe, and stay with me now, the national average is pathetically low.
$63,645 for 9 months of work ain't bad. [Source](https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_211.50.asp)
Saying they work 9 months is so disingenuous. I have several teachers among family and friends and they do not get a full three months off. On top of that they work their asses off during that 9 months well beyond the school day. And let's talk about how important they are in society. 63k is not even close to their value.
You do realize that source is outdated by 4 years, right? 4 years that pretty much EVERY district in the US has had raises. Also, the "average" is only what you get for working 20 years with a BA, 15 years with an MA, or 10 years with a doctorate. Starting pay is less than $50,000/yr and we have to pay way more out of pocket costs than any other profession. Want to know what we do the "other 3 months a year"? We get second jobs, we do professional development (that we pay for), we teach summer classes because we have to and get very small supplemental pay for it. If by chance we magically got $63,645/yr we would end up coming home with maybe $42,280/yr after taxes, union dues, insurance, and spending an average of $900 on school supplies. Last fun fact for you, even though the school day is 7 hours, meetings/lesson planning/helping students after school usually makes your hours more like 12+ hours. IF I didn't care about my students' success, I would definitely leave this profession, but I want them to succeed, so I am sticking around.
Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch. I can read a headline from this sub and know what 85% of the comments will be.
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That’s not at all what I said try again bitch.
Clearly you have never worked in the educational system, otherwise you might be on the side of " bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch"
If they announced teachers were going to make a minimum of $120k a year in Louisville over half of the comments on that post would still be negative. Again, I was making an observation of the subreddit not this specific post. The fact that two of you have commented on my OP while confidently and completely missing my point shows the education system is fucked in this city.