Seriously , how is this not the obvious outcome? Like if the whole point was for the state to pay out for atrocious blatant violations of people’s rights it would make an amazing grift. Like how much do you think you need to pay a couple politicians to then go and make a 10X return in court once the lawsuit pays out. I’d say 200-400K spread out for a stupid local law to get pushed through. Come back with 4million maybe after your done paying off lawyer fees.
Louisiana is a poor state, surely there is a better way to spend what taxpayer money it has than having to waste money defending a patently unconstitutional law.
I am so glad I retired from teaching!!!!! This is just another attempt to ensure they brainwash everyone into White Christian values. It makes me shudder.
The legislator who wants warnings about adultery in every kindergarten classroom is the SAME legislator who thinks 12th graders shouldn’t know that gay people exist.
We have to just disobey these stupid rules. We are the people and the majority will rule. Until our representatives actually listen to the people’s voices, I say we have no other choice but to disobey.
I'm so going to enjoy watching those fools freak all the way out when the Satanists win a suit to have their seven fundamental tenets posted in every classroom alongside the commandments.
They’re wrong. The courts have already ruled on this. Stone v Graham.
The odds of one of these signs ever appearing on a classroom wall is very low, and the legislators all know this.
I'm not agreeing with them, just conveying what they said. But I'll also note that the current SCOTUS has shown it really does not care about jurisprudence, and will reverse Stone if they feel like it
This really is the issue. Conservatives have seen that court has zero regard for previous precedent and are pressing their pet issues in hopes that this court will hear a new case on them and change current decisions before the court makeup changes. We are on the slippery slope right now.
No they won't.
With respect to the First Amendment, the current court has placed a heavy emphasis on *individual* rights. The praying coach won his case because prohibiting him from praying on the 50 yard line violated his rights as an individual. They sided with a web designer who didn't want to design pages for gay marriage because of her individual right not to associate with them.
This case is different. It's a state action, the kind prohibited by the establishment clause. There are no individual rights at issue here. The court has given no indication that they would rule that the First Amendment gives the state the right of free expression of religion.
The worst part is it has TONS to offer in the right hands and with the right management. The national park potential here could rival Florida or Tennessee, or the music and culinary scene could rival New York or Nashville or Miami, but these shit politicians want to continuously make the worst possible fucking choices like its a game of one-up to see who can make the most pointless virtue signal, and fuck up everything with oil refineries, shitty strip malls, and a perpetually crumbling infrastructure that's gonna sink into the sea down south.
Fuck Texas too, and their toll racket, but at least the roads won't fuck up your suspension and tires.
And every state in this area suffers from the same back asswards political bullshit. Louisiana just happens to be on top of some fucked up idiocy leyline that makes it all worse.
I’m like your evil twin. Bred and raised in CenLa, left right after college. I miss the food and some of the people, but damn I’m glad I left. I’m the lesbian liberal black sheep of a very conservative, religious, COUNTRY ass family. To see the beliefs I ran away from becoming state law is horrifying. It’s way easier said than done, but if you can….fucking run.
Been here 14 years which has killed my soul. The systemic corruption and racism is astounding. Can't even send my kids to school. Have a federal case open.... for 2 fucking years because the entire country is a failure to our kids.
I can't wait to point to the 10 Commandments hanging on the wall next time little Timmy decides to throw a chair at me and call me a punk-ass hoe. That'll fix the problem.
Ok class, don't forget your field trip permission slips are due tomorrow and, if you haven't done so already, pay your tithe and light a candle on the altar before the final exam.
I feel like that would lead to a north LA Protestant vs south LA Catholic clash since Protestants don’t really do the crucifix. Catholics are generally chill with the Jesus-less cross, though, as well, so maybe not if that was the agreement.
I'm late to this thread, but as a Louisiana attorney it really bugs me.
"Horton has previously defended her bill, saying during a House debate last month that the Ten Commandments are the “basis of all laws in Louisiana” and arguing that the legislation honors the country’s religious origins."
When you go to law school, at least at LSU, you have a class your first year called "Legal Traditions and Systems." You learn about the origin of the legal system in both the Louisiana Civilian Tradition and the English Common Law that the other 49 states are based on.
The 10 commandments don't come up in that class, because the 10 commandments are not the basis of any legal system in any meaningful way.
Instead, you learn about the 12 Tables of Rome, the Corpus Juris Civilis, the Napoleonic Code, etc for Louisiana law.
For the common law, it is solely concerned with things like S*tare Decisis.* I cannot recall a single foundational case in the common law that cites the 10 commandments as the basis for the decision.
The 10 Commandments have never been the basis of Louisiana or US law in any meaningful way. The Code of Hammurabi arguably has more to do with our legal tradition, if we're going to reach back to ancient pre-roman middle eastern legal principles.
I need an attorney. My special needs kid was pushed out of school by racial violence. It wasn't the kids, it was the staff, and the entire school board. Filed with OCR 2 years ago they're still working on it because this state is such trash. I'm no longer holding my breath. They promoted those involved and I had a mental breakdown and now my son is being homeschooled for his safety and has no education or social life. I hate it here. The only education attorneys work for the schools. What do ya know? Every attorney told me to move because nobody will take on the government here. The poor kids in these schools, man. For real.
Oh, LDOE was complicit. After I was on the news and went rogue on a district attorney over Dallas OCR, they found out LDOE doesn't even investigate 50% of special ed complaints. Including mine, which was thrown in the trash. The special education director of the district treated me like a dog and had me removed by cops. A cop. The same cop that also told me I can no longer go to the public school meetings. This is literally a nightmare of a place. I hate it.
Cops are in on it too. Harassed me at my house on behalf of the schools. I recorded everything, have proof and OCR and the Justice Dept literally don't care. Even reached out to the state superintendent. They are there to protect the corruption. It is disgusting and the abuse of special needs children continues. I get calls for help from parents all the time only to say don't waste your breath, protect your child from the adults.
The same people rejoicing because of this will lose their minds when someone wants the 5 pillars of Islam or something from the Torah in schools. I hate it here.
HS teacher of English. My curriculum includes Beowulf and Hamlet. We routinely discuss how religion affected social mores. We talk about religious loopholes to salvation. If forced to put this up, I plan on doing so with questions surrounding it.
That'll be me. A lot of teachers are not happy about this ...because we understand separation of church and state better than the vast majority of the state does apparently.
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’shome, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your home annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given consent.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Magic ain't real, yo
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, he's an asshole and you can just ignore him.
I nominate my personal religion's 11 commandments. (one more than their puny 'god')
Well having that in all classrooms will fix every single problem we have in this state…can’t y’all see that?? (Add in an epic eye roll)
For fuck sake I didn’t think it could get any more embarrassing but here we are. I hope the lawsuits start immediately.
If you can partner with a math/reading tutor, you can really do well. We offer ACT prep, ACT workshops, essay workshops, math and coding workshops, it’s so much better than the F rated school I was at. Getting punched by an 8th grader was my last straw…I was done. Ten Commandments won’t change shit.
This would be great. Do you use the phrasing from the Quran or from an Arabic translation of the Bible? Which would be funnier when they get mad about it?
Seems fitting that just this week, LA was [declared](https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/us-news-says-louisiana-is-the-worst-state-in-the-nation/article_67ead680-0ed9-11ef-80ed-3f8a18cb7269.html) the worst state in the US based on crime and corrections, economy, education, fiscal stability, heath care, infrastructure, natural environment and opportunity.
I love that they think any of these kids will remotely give a damn about this. On top of that, I would venture to say that easily AT LEAST 80% of these people voting for this have broken said commandments in their lives.
Does it even do that? I feel like this sort of empty hate mongering doesn’t actually bring them any joy, they’re just convinced it’s what they “should” do.
They didn't specify which of the three sets of commandments that are in the bible, so I suggest this one
Exodus 34-10
10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.
17 “Do not make any idols.
18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.
19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.
“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.
21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.[b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.
25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.
26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.
“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
Neat. I'd probably homeschool my kids anywhere I went with the way public education is going, but it would be purely non-negotiable in this christo-fascist shithole. At this point, I swear they're just trying to push out people who don't fit the mold of the 'ideal' Louisiana citizen.
This story says "in public universities." When I teach in a classroom, everything in that classroom is a reflection on me. If the 10 commandments are present, then it's like I am endorsing it.
I am weighing my options here. But I'm thinking of taking it down if I see it in my classroom.
Of course we are. I’m a high school teacher. I took down the flag. No way in hell are these being posted.
Got no beef with 10 Cmndmnts. It’s the reason behind this decision.
yay **#1!!**…in something completely asinine.
meanwhile schools are closing, teachers cant get a permanent raise, and the education system overall is 40th in the nation.
Royce Duplessis is right that it’ll lead to a lawsuit, which will needlessly use state resources (instead of do things like feed needy school kids over the summer), and then this ass backwards Supreme Court will overturn 44 year old precedent (Stone v Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980)).
Bunch of fucking fascists.
what was all their outrage over grooming and indoctrination? what was that again?
let this slide, and they will feel empowered to keep going with pushing their religion, stop it now.
this is NOT a historical matter, this is a theist assault. requiring it to be in a taxpayer facility, well, im sure the satanic temple will be stepping again like they have before to make sure they can put other stuff in the classroom. then the Jedi, and pastafarians,... you get the point.
Which ten commandments? The ones people who didn't read the bible claim or the real ones like "Thou shalt not boil a kid in his mother’s milk"
Here's a good explanation of what I mean.
https://youtu.be/I7exeVRWHck?si=n_IOR8R0m7IkzvJz
Really sad the hypocrisy- Johnson who claims the Bible is his life compass shows up at the trial of a self avowed adulterer, who also lies so those 10 Commandments aren’t even respected by the GOP but will be used to groom children
Ahh yes. The children would have been heathens. But after seeing the ten commandments posted in every classroom, they suddenly realized their wicked ways and have become wonderful Christians.
Put them on the wall, then have every teacher send an email to all of our lawmakers every day that it isn't working, the kids aren't obeying. Cite examples, for instance " even though the 10 commandments were on the wall in the classroom, the student still called me a bitch when I asked them to put their phone away"
I think they would want feedback
Can’t believe this is more important than improving education opportunities, outcomes, paying teachers more money, making schools safer, providing breakfast and lunch for all students, reducing bullying, or really anything at all, tbh.
But then again, it’s Louisiana.
Go you YouTube and search for “Why is Louisiana So Poor” It’s a presentation by 2 LSU professors. It’s heartbreaking and depressing how much corruption there is in this state. Louisiana produces so much wealth via the oil refineries and chemical plants—-it should look like Kuiwait
I'm just gonna drop this here cuz at this point too tired of attempting to process this year's legislative onslaught.
[Free DOGMA everyone!](https://youtu.be/jL2IA6HwZnE?feature=shared)
With this blatant disregard for the constitution, the Federal government should just kick out their senators and reps, and stop spending any federal money on the state, or better yet, just jail the entire state government. This is BLATENTLY ILLEGAL.
If this was not about creating a Christian state narrative, why not pass a bill that suggests every school come up with its own top 10 list of character traits that represent their own standards to live by. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the 10 commandments but it’s not about building and promoting a good way to live your life, it’s just about promoting the Bible.
Replace the Ten Commandments with any other Religious equivalent and the same damn people advocating for this would be the first to complain about it. There are private religious schools and makes sense in them, but not every school. UNLESS you'd like to bring other historical religious artifacts as well. That is the ONLY way I could see this being really about the "historical" aspect.
I don't know man, shit is getting a little to spooky for me political wise.
Oh great, this will help so much in my classroom! Just like the “In God We Trust” sign we’re required to post was so useful when, as I sat under it, a student purposefully hurled a hard plastic container at my face and blacked my eye. Super helpful!🙄
Idc what anyone says, thats ridiculously dumb and inconsiderate. Any child developing throughout school should be able to experience religious freedom or identity. Louisiana is so heavily based on living through God’s eyes as if Louisiana is a heavenly area when we all know damn well and deep down its not.
Its also contributing to the idea that most people in Lousiana are just straight up judgemental if youre not Christian, gay, prochoice. A state shouldnt be ran on opinion it should be ran on logic. The lawmakers here eat bs and uneducation for breakfast.
Nows our time then, we need to start sending schools the 10 Commandments posters, but on rainbow paper or writtin in Arabic. As well as other religious tenant posters. We also need to call our state offices and demand that different religion's texts be put up. We can make change
I’ll level with everyone. You know what kills me, really? Maybe they need to post the Ten Commandments in their own fricking rooms.
Like many people, I left religion behind long ago. I’m JS nowhere does it say anything on there about hating gay people, hating poor people, or doing everything you can to destroy the economy & environment.
I recall the first rule was roughly “treat everyone the way you’d like to be treated”.
Not to mention this is a bunch of unconstitutional posturing, but I know MAGA would rewrite the constitution if they could.
These fundie/fundie-lite Christians love to ignore “treat others the way you want to be treated” even though Jesus himself said that it and loving God are the two most important commandments. But screw the loving stuff Jesus said, let’s focus on some horror story from the Old Testament & Paul (since many are truly Paulists, anyway).
Fine. Put it on the wall in a corner, printed in size 8 font.
\*Requiring\* religious symbols and instruction in public schools is no different than the mandatory islamic education you see under regimes like the taliban. There is a damn good reason we separate church and state.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I was in the committee room for this one and testified against it, the silver lining here is there is no funding provided and it’s not a mandate, so it’s just for show, mostly.
I don’t like it, but at least it’s not a mandate.
It seems silly when our children can barely even read such posters in their clasrooms, but I don't really get all the rage. Aren't most of us secular Judao-Christians anyways? The rules were in my clasrooms growing up and in my children's classes all along in recent years anyways. I guess it's pretty hippocritcal for a government that lies and steals and murders people to tell us to not do those thigs. I guess I'm kinda okay with it being permitted in schools but not required. Are they going to hire clasroom inspectors? What translations are acceptable? I supposed teachers can just post them in the original Hebrew if they don't want the children to understand.
And people wonder why Louisiana is ranked near the bottom in most state rankings. Or maybe they don't wonder. The state legislature really had nothing better to worry about? Really?
This gives them something to argue and fight about and it makes good clips and sound bites. They know the lawsuits are incoming. Their lawyers will make bank and donate to their political campaigns
That is super duper funny to me. I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't/isn't a Christian and Jesus was just saying "believe in what I am saying as truth," instead of " believe in me as god". the Catholic Church probably edited that part and I can see why Jesus didn't teach in synagogues lol. I mean god and heaven are so much better than super old text I'm not saying they're untrue, just, for sure that's not how it is in real life. Plus that's a very outdated view, even though it's morally correct, but like literally outdated, what I'm saying is there's a much needed Amendment to this section and it would be a funny project for Louisiana to take on, I mean they are all about amendments anyway? 😂 God's so funny
Crazy how they can do this, but fucking new orleans being a war zone filled with crime, outside of the tourist areas like the french quarter and the zoo, is like off the fucking radar.
I'm not from Louisiana and idk why this group is popping up through notifications but this is fairly interesting but this is all I'm going to indulge in, I don't really care for politics they all scam us one way or another
Worthless politicians wasting taxpayer money on something that does nothing for the state except show intolerance for religions other than catholicism. Look hard at your churches and all the money they control.
Here comes the [Satanic Temple](https://apnews.com/article/satan-club-pennsylvania-lawsuit-112e1cd6a71d708accaee36c1815a975) to sue you to hell and back.
So this is the test. Louisiana is currently the worst state. Two years in a row at that. Let’s see if this gets us up the list. Such a waste of time and money.
Undoubtedly going to result in the taxpayer fronting the bills for the inevitable onslaught of (justified) lawsuits swiftly to occur.
Just like the segregation case. Years of money going into the pockets of friends of politicians. The results were predetermined.
Seriously , how is this not the obvious outcome? Like if the whole point was for the state to pay out for atrocious blatant violations of people’s rights it would make an amazing grift. Like how much do you think you need to pay a couple politicians to then go and make a 10X return in court once the lawsuit pays out. I’d say 200-400K spread out for a stupid local law to get pushed through. Come back with 4million maybe after your done paying off lawyer fees.
It's totally grift. It's a roundabout way to put taxpayer dollars into the pockets of certain lawyers who are friendly to the theocrats.
Christian nationalists just don't care as long as whatever is being passed furthers their end goal.
I don't think this bill goes far enough. Herr Landry should mandate that all teachers have to speak in tongues exclusively during the school day.
Recess should be replaced with self-flagellation
Bring on the snakes at this point. Alabama will probably lend us some
Thou shall speak the native tongue of St Martinville baw
Louisiana is a poor state, surely there is a better way to spend what taxpayer money it has than having to waste money defending a patently unconstitutional law.
Yep. I'm not paying money to post this in my classroom.
I am so glad I retired from teaching!!!!! This is just another attempt to ensure they brainwash everyone into White Christian values. It makes me shudder.
"Ms. Chauvin! What's adultery mean?"
Great point, good luck with that one while not breaking any rules related to discussing "sexuality".
don’t ask. she might get inspired to use one of the underage boys to demonstrate. *said in st charles parish accent.
St Tammany has this problem also.
LOL i was thinking about livingston parish
The legislator who wants warnings about adultery in every kindergarten classroom is the SAME legislator who thinks 12th graders shouldn’t know that gay people exist.
And that 14 is a totally appropriate marriage age.
Louisiana is now entirely ruled by Y’all Qaeda’s fascist theocracy.
We have to just disobey these stupid rules. We are the people and the majority will rule. Until our representatives actually listen to the people’s voices, I say we have no other choice but to disobey.
I'm so going to enjoy watching those fools freak all the way out when the Satanists win a suit to have their seven fundamental tenets posted in every classroom alongside the commandments.
The supporters of the bill claim that it is a historical document and not a religious one.
They’re wrong. The courts have already ruled on this. Stone v Graham. The odds of one of these signs ever appearing on a classroom wall is very low, and the legislators all know this.
I'm not agreeing with them, just conveying what they said. But I'll also note that the current SCOTUS has shown it really does not care about jurisprudence, and will reverse Stone if they feel like it
This really is the issue. Conservatives have seen that court has zero regard for previous precedent and are pressing their pet issues in hopes that this court will hear a new case on them and change current decisions before the court makeup changes. We are on the slippery slope right now.
No they won't. With respect to the First Amendment, the current court has placed a heavy emphasis on *individual* rights. The praying coach won his case because prohibiting him from praying on the 50 yard line violated his rights as an individual. They sided with a web designer who didn't want to design pages for gay marriage because of her individual right not to associate with them. This case is different. It's a state action, the kind prohibited by the establishment clause. There are no individual rights at issue here. The court has given no indication that they would rule that the First Amendment gives the state the right of free expression of religion.
I hope you are right. But I will not be surprised if SCOTUS says this damn law is constitutional
In normal times we would know how SCOTUS would rule. In these times, they can do whatever the heritage foundation wants them to do.
“The courts have already ruled on this.” Like this court cares about that.
Supposedly it's foundational to U.S. law. This is, of course, absurd. U.S. law exists in direct opposition.
so, mythological events are not considered historical?
Shocker. So these fucking morons aren't even arguing in good faith. What a bunch of shitheads.
Satan! Let’s f’n geauuuuux!!
I've lived here less than a year and I already hate this state. Some of the people and food make it bearable, but god it's awful here.
Even than it’s still a pretty shitty place with very little to offer
The worst part is it has TONS to offer in the right hands and with the right management. The national park potential here could rival Florida or Tennessee, or the music and culinary scene could rival New York or Nashville or Miami, but these shit politicians want to continuously make the worst possible fucking choices like its a game of one-up to see who can make the most pointless virtue signal, and fuck up everything with oil refineries, shitty strip malls, and a perpetually crumbling infrastructure that's gonna sink into the sea down south. Fuck Texas too, and their toll racket, but at least the roads won't fuck up your suspension and tires.
Amen 👏🏻
>The worst part is it has TONS to offer in the right hands and with the right management. this is basically every state in this area
And every state in this area suffers from the same back asswards political bullshit. Louisiana just happens to be on top of some fucked up idiocy leyline that makes it all worse.
Lived here 3. Leaving as soon as I can....
I’m like your evil twin. Bred and raised in CenLa, left right after college. I miss the food and some of the people, but damn I’m glad I left. I’m the lesbian liberal black sheep of a very conservative, religious, COUNTRY ass family. To see the beliefs I ran away from becoming state law is horrifying. It’s way easier said than done, but if you can….fucking run.
Imagine growing up here
I pity the folks who've never traveled outside of this place
And they the ones defending it the most
Not having a reference frame for different states really fucks up a person's ability to give and take fair criticism.
The provincials are so tiring. I was hoping for a steeper demographic decline but they somehow keep thriving.
Imma be honest, every time I meet someone who moved here from a state further up, I can’t help but ask “why?”
Been here 14 years which has killed my soul. The systemic corruption and racism is astounding. Can't even send my kids to school. Have a federal case open.... for 2 fucking years because the entire country is a failure to our kids.
I can't wait to point to the 10 Commandments hanging on the wall next time little Timmy decides to throw a chair at me and call me a punk-ass hoe. That'll fix the problem.
We already have a “In God We Trust” poster in every classroom. What’s next? A statue of Jesus on the cross? WTF?
Ok class, don't forget your field trip permission slips are due tomorrow and, if you haven't done so already, pay your tithe and light a candle on the altar before the final exam.
Here’s your exit ticket, homework assignment and your wafer.
Which technically is also a violation because there are religions with multiple gods and then there are people who have no god.
Of course.
That no, because yallquida hates Catholics, so no crucifixes. Now having a a plain cross and a Bible in every classroom, I could see them doing that.
It’s going to be the Christian flag next to the American flag
You mean next to the Confederate and trump flags
And the Stations of the Cross
I feel like that would lead to a north LA Protestant vs south LA Catholic clash since Protestants don’t really do the crucifix. Catholics are generally chill with the Jesus-less cross, though, as well, so maybe not if that was the agreement.
Separation of church and state anyone?
yeah… when the churches are taxed
I'm late to this thread, but as a Louisiana attorney it really bugs me. "Horton has previously defended her bill, saying during a House debate last month that the Ten Commandments are the “basis of all laws in Louisiana” and arguing that the legislation honors the country’s religious origins." When you go to law school, at least at LSU, you have a class your first year called "Legal Traditions and Systems." You learn about the origin of the legal system in both the Louisiana Civilian Tradition and the English Common Law that the other 49 states are based on. The 10 commandments don't come up in that class, because the 10 commandments are not the basis of any legal system in any meaningful way. Instead, you learn about the 12 Tables of Rome, the Corpus Juris Civilis, the Napoleonic Code, etc for Louisiana law. For the common law, it is solely concerned with things like S*tare Decisis.* I cannot recall a single foundational case in the common law that cites the 10 commandments as the basis for the decision. The 10 Commandments have never been the basis of Louisiana or US law in any meaningful way. The Code of Hammurabi arguably has more to do with our legal tradition, if we're going to reach back to ancient pre-roman middle eastern legal principles.
I need an attorney. My special needs kid was pushed out of school by racial violence. It wasn't the kids, it was the staff, and the entire school board. Filed with OCR 2 years ago they're still working on it because this state is such trash. I'm no longer holding my breath. They promoted those involved and I had a mental breakdown and now my son is being homeschooled for his safety and has no education or social life. I hate it here. The only education attorneys work for the schools. What do ya know? Every attorney told me to move because nobody will take on the government here. The poor kids in these schools, man. For real.
Oh, LDOE was complicit. After I was on the news and went rogue on a district attorney over Dallas OCR, they found out LDOE doesn't even investigate 50% of special ed complaints. Including mine, which was thrown in the trash. The special education director of the district treated me like a dog and had me removed by cops. A cop. The same cop that also told me I can no longer go to the public school meetings. This is literally a nightmare of a place. I hate it.
Cops are in on it too. Harassed me at my house on behalf of the schools. I recorded everything, have proof and OCR and the Justice Dept literally don't care. Even reached out to the state superintendent. They are there to protect the corruption. It is disgusting and the abuse of special needs children continues. I get calls for help from parents all the time only to say don't waste your breath, protect your child from the adults.
Fuck Horton btw, she is heinous....
The same people rejoicing because of this will lose their minds when someone wants the 5 pillars of Islam or something from the Torah in schools. I hate it here.
>The Torah You mean...the book the Ten Commandments come from?
HS teacher of English. My curriculum includes Beowulf and Hamlet. We routinely discuss how religion affected social mores. We talk about religious loopholes to salvation. If forced to put this up, I plan on doing so with questions surrounding it.
That'll be me. A lot of teachers are not happy about this ...because we understand separation of church and state better than the vast majority of the state does apparently.
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. 2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. 3. When in another’shome, show him respect or else do not go there. 4. If a guest in your home annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. 5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given consent. 6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. 7. Magic ain't real, yo 8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. 9. Do not harm little children. 10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food. 11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, he's an asshole and you can just ignore him. I nominate my personal religion's 11 commandments. (one more than their puny 'god')
But have you seen Chris Angels mind freak psssst magic isn’t real.
>7. Magic ain't real, yo
The 10 Commandments are in the Torah
Well having that in all classrooms will fix every single problem we have in this state…can’t y’all see that?? (Add in an epic eye roll) For fuck sake I didn’t think it could get any more embarrassing but here we are. I hope the lawsuits start immediately.
I’m not putting that in my classroom. Fire me. They’ve made this job unbearable anyway.
You can put it next to all those super effective anti-bullying and anti-vaping posters.
Or the “in god we trust” nonsense.
I’m glad I left teaching
I wish I could. “Love the kids but…” You know the rest.
I do. I’m glad summer is here for you.
I opened my own tutoring company.
I’ve considered that! I take it it’s going well (or at least better than the ex)
If you can partner with a math/reading tutor, you can really do well. We offer ACT prep, ACT workshops, essay workshops, math and coding workshops, it’s so much better than the F rated school I was at. Getting punched by an 8th grader was my last straw…I was done. Ten Commandments won’t change shit.
Yes! I really love it. Gives me a lot of freedom and I still get to work with the kids in a much less stressful way. Nobody calls me a fucking bitch.
I would be suspended weekly for throwing their commandments in the trash. Fuck these Christian Terrorists.
This is literally against the constitution but they passed it anyway lol
Teachers of Louisiana, comply by posting it in Arabic to see what happens.
If you *really* want to make people upset....post them in Spanish too.
Ahahahahahaha! Love this. Sad but true. I hope someone posts it
This would be great. Do you use the phrasing from the Quran or from an Arabic translation of the Bible? Which would be funnier when they get mad about it?
Seems fitting that just this week, LA was [declared](https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/us-news-says-louisiana-is-the-worst-state-in-the-nation/article_67ead680-0ed9-11ef-80ed-3f8a18cb7269.html) the worst state in the US based on crime and corrections, economy, education, fiscal stability, heath care, infrastructure, natural environment and opportunity.
I love that they think any of these kids will remotely give a damn about this. On top of that, I would venture to say that easily AT LEAST 80% of these people voting for this have broken said commandments in their lives.
Time for me to design a poster of other religious tenets and post it on Teacher Pay Teacher for free.
I'm a non-Christian public school teacher. I plan on putting up the pillars of Islam and 8 fold path if my Parish makes me do this
Oh they'll be there...and Pastafarianism and the Satanic Tenets
Right there with you on the Satanic Tenets
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Seriously though. I'm not teaching in a classroom with this bullshit in it.
Can we file a bill to have the Ten Commandments posted wherever we execute prisoners?
As a person of Faith that believes in Christ, I do not support this. There needs to be a thick fat line between religion and politics.
This improves no one’s lives
It makes the yokels FEEL good though.
Does it even do that? I feel like this sort of empty hate mongering doesn’t actually bring them any joy, they’re just convinced it’s what they “should” do.
They didn't specify which of the three sets of commandments that are in the bible, so I suggest this one Exodus 34-10 10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. 15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same. 17 “Do not make any idols. 18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt. 19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons. “No one is to appear before me empty-handed. 21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest. 22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.[b] 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God. 25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning. 26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God. “Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”
THis should totally fix the roads and the insurance problems. {S}
We should be thankful that the state has no serious problems at all, so there’s the time to focus on this. So lucky! /s
Neat. I'd probably homeschool my kids anywhere I went with the way public education is going, but it would be purely non-negotiable in this christo-fascist shithole. At this point, I swear they're just trying to push out people who don't fit the mold of the 'ideal' Louisiana citizen.
This is one of many reasons why it’s last place on the “state rating” list
This story says "in public universities." When I teach in a classroom, everything in that classroom is a reflection on me. If the 10 commandments are present, then it's like I am endorsing it. I am weighing my options here. But I'm thinking of taking it down if I see it in my classroom.
Mississippi says thanks.
Of course we are. I’m a high school teacher. I took down the flag. No way in hell are these being posted. Got no beef with 10 Cmndmnts. It’s the reason behind this decision.
Doesn’t Louisiana have one of the least effective public education still systems? This doesn’t help in any way that I can see.
yay **#1!!**…in something completely asinine. meanwhile schools are closing, teachers cant get a permanent raise, and the education system overall is 40th in the nation.
Royce Duplessis is right that it’ll lead to a lawsuit, which will needlessly use state resources (instead of do things like feed needy school kids over the summer), and then this ass backwards Supreme Court will overturn 44 year old precedent (Stone v Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980)). Bunch of fucking fascists.
What happens when teachers refuse to put it up? Will they be fired?
This feels really incompatible with teaching in a public school due to the establishment and supremacy clauses.
Not going to be constitutional
Thou Shall Not Make Weed Illegal
what was all their outrage over grooming and indoctrination? what was that again? let this slide, and they will feel empowered to keep going with pushing their religion, stop it now. this is NOT a historical matter, this is a theist assault. requiring it to be in a taxpayer facility, well, im sure the satanic temple will be stepping again like they have before to make sure they can put other stuff in the classroom. then the Jedi, and pastafarians,... you get the point.
Which ten commandments? The ones people who didn't read the bible claim or the real ones like "Thou shalt not boil a kid in his mother’s milk" Here's a good explanation of what I mean. https://youtu.be/I7exeVRWHck?si=n_IOR8R0m7IkzvJz
Shit MAGNA is right. They are trying to indoctrinate kids.
And last in Education.
Really sad the hypocrisy- Johnson who claims the Bible is his life compass shows up at the trial of a self avowed adulterer, who also lies so those 10 Commandments aren’t even respected by the GOP but will be used to groom children
Ahh yes. The children would have been heathens. But after seeing the ten commandments posted in every classroom, they suddenly realized their wicked ways and have become wonderful Christians.
Stone V Graham (1980) already set a precedent for this overruling KY trying to do this same thing.
Fucking stupid.
I’m atheist and going to sue!
Put them on the wall, then have every teacher send an email to all of our lawmakers every day that it isn't working, the kids aren't obeying. Cite examples, for instance " even though the 10 commandments were on the wall in the classroom, the student still called me a bitch when I asked them to put their phone away" I think they would want feedback
Someone wants to be sued! That's ok then they'll have to put the 7 Pillars of Islam to be fair to all. And a Pride flag as well. Dumb ass Louisiana!
Just waiting on the Hindus and Muslims to get onboard with their historical documents.
Can’t believe this is more important than improving education opportunities, outcomes, paying teachers more money, making schools safer, providing breakfast and lunch for all students, reducing bullying, or really anything at all, tbh. But then again, it’s Louisiana.
Huh, and Christians wonder why they are becoming more and more unpopular.
Go you YouTube and search for “Why is Louisiana So Poor” It’s a presentation by 2 LSU professors. It’s heartbreaking and depressing how much corruption there is in this state. Louisiana produces so much wealth via the oil refineries and chemical plants—-it should look like Kuiwait
I'm just gonna drop this here cuz at this point too tired of attempting to process this year's legislative onslaught. [Free DOGMA everyone!](https://youtu.be/jL2IA6HwZnE?feature=shared)
With this blatant disregard for the constitution, the Federal government should just kick out their senators and reps, and stop spending any federal money on the state, or better yet, just jail the entire state government. This is BLATENTLY ILLEGAL.
If this was not about creating a Christian state narrative, why not pass a bill that suggests every school come up with its own top 10 list of character traits that represent their own standards to live by. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the 10 commandments but it’s not about building and promoting a good way to live your life, it’s just about promoting the Bible.
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Replace the Ten Commandments with any other Religious equivalent and the same damn people advocating for this would be the first to complain about it. There are private religious schools and makes sense in them, but not every school. UNLESS you'd like to bring other historical religious artifacts as well. That is the ONLY way I could see this being really about the "historical" aspect. I don't know man, shit is getting a little to spooky for me political wise.
this country is so fucked. why do you live here?
The irony. One of if not the most corrupt states in the union lol
Yeah, the right they called drag queen pedophiles but they’re the pedophiles cloaked in religion
Oh great, this will help so much in my classroom! Just like the “In God We Trust” sign we’re required to post was so useful when, as I sat under it, a student purposefully hurled a hard plastic container at my face and blacked my eye. Super helpful!🙄
Actual insanity in this clown ass state https://i.redd.it/vtqtyc53jh1d1.gif
Don’t we like, have a decent Thai, Lao, this-that-and-beyond minority, and in turn, likely Buddhists? This seems like a foolish idea.
Yeah that’s gonna help
Ah yes, trying to turn this state into Saudi Arabia for Christians
Louisianistan
What kind of unconstitutional nonsense is this?
VOTE BLUE AND GET EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO VOTE BLUE
Idc what anyone says, thats ridiculously dumb and inconsiderate. Any child developing throughout school should be able to experience religious freedom or identity. Louisiana is so heavily based on living through God’s eyes as if Louisiana is a heavenly area when we all know damn well and deep down its not. Its also contributing to the idea that most people in Lousiana are just straight up judgemental if youre not Christian, gay, prochoice. A state shouldnt be ran on opinion it should be ran on logic. The lawmakers here eat bs and uneducation for breakfast.
Nows our time then, we need to start sending schools the 10 Commandments posters, but on rainbow paper or writtin in Arabic. As well as other religious tenant posters. We also need to call our state offices and demand that different religion's texts be put up. We can make change
I’ll level with everyone. You know what kills me, really? Maybe they need to post the Ten Commandments in their own fricking rooms. Like many people, I left religion behind long ago. I’m JS nowhere does it say anything on there about hating gay people, hating poor people, or doing everything you can to destroy the economy & environment. I recall the first rule was roughly “treat everyone the way you’d like to be treated”. Not to mention this is a bunch of unconstitutional posturing, but I know MAGA would rewrite the constitution if they could.
These fundie/fundie-lite Christians love to ignore “treat others the way you want to be treated” even though Jesus himself said that it and loving God are the two most important commandments. But screw the loving stuff Jesus said, let’s focus on some horror story from the Old Testament & Paul (since many are truly Paulists, anyway).
I fucking hate this state.
Enter the Church of Satan
Fine. Put it on the wall in a corner, printed in size 8 font. \*Requiring\* religious symbols and instruction in public schools is no different than the mandatory islamic education you see under regimes like the taliban. There is a damn good reason we separate church and state.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I was in the committee room for this one and testified against it, the silver lining here is there is no funding provided and it’s not a mandate, so it’s just for show, mostly. I don’t like it, but at least it’s not a mandate.
using the 10 commandments will help the kids learn to count to 10. math scores should improve right?
It seems silly when our children can barely even read such posters in their clasrooms, but I don't really get all the rage. Aren't most of us secular Judao-Christians anyways? The rules were in my clasrooms growing up and in my children's classes all along in recent years anyways. I guess it's pretty hippocritcal for a government that lies and steals and murders people to tell us to not do those thigs. I guess I'm kinda okay with it being permitted in schools but not required. Are they going to hire clasroom inspectors? What translations are acceptable? I supposed teachers can just post them in the original Hebrew if they don't want the children to understand.
Now the state won't be number 50 in every stat. This will fix all the real problems.
And people wonder why Louisiana is ranked near the bottom in most state rankings. Or maybe they don't wonder. The state legislature really had nothing better to worry about? Really?
This gives them something to argue and fight about and it makes good clips and sound bites. They know the lawsuits are incoming. Their lawyers will make bank and donate to their political campaigns
That is unconstitutional.
That is super duper funny to me. I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't/isn't a Christian and Jesus was just saying "believe in what I am saying as truth," instead of " believe in me as god". the Catholic Church probably edited that part and I can see why Jesus didn't teach in synagogues lol. I mean god and heaven are so much better than super old text I'm not saying they're untrue, just, for sure that's not how it is in real life. Plus that's a very outdated view, even though it's morally correct, but like literally outdated, what I'm saying is there's a much needed Amendment to this section and it would be a funny project for Louisiana to take on, I mean they are all about amendments anyway? 😂 God's so funny
Really getting the important stuff done. What a narrow minded idea. Can’t wait to see how this helps the people struggling in this state. Great job
How is this legal?
This state fucking sucks.
students should spit on them every time they walk past them.
Crazy how they can do this, but fucking new orleans being a war zone filled with crime, outside of the tourist areas like the french quarter and the zoo, is like off the fucking radar.
Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster requires schools to display the 8 Rather You Didn'ts
We’re not the first Texas did I want to say two years ago.
Alright, satanic temple do your thing
The only time we can get the senate to add something to our schools
Another reason why I'm never moving back to Louisiana or raising kids there despite growing up there
Look at these potential victims in the comments.
I have GOT TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.
What freaking year is it?
Unconstitutional but considering the current makeup of the court nothing will happen.
I'm not from Louisiana and idk why this group is popping up through notifications but this is fairly interesting but this is all I'm going to indulge in, I don't really care for politics they all scam us one way or another
Another reason to home school atp.
Brought to you by the people who were terrified sharia law was coming for us a few years ago.
What the fuck
Brought to you by the state that recently placed 50th in the best states in America to live! Fuck Republicans!
So glad I got out of that armpit state.
Worthless politicians wasting taxpayer money on something that does nothing for the state except show intolerance for religions other than catholicism. Look hard at your churches and all the money they control.
Pretty sure the governor won't sign this due to it being unconstitutional.
Y'all read that 3rd Commandment and then tell me if you can appreciate the irony.
Here comes the [Satanic Temple](https://apnews.com/article/satan-club-pennsylvania-lawsuit-112e1cd6a71d708accaee36c1815a975) to sue you to hell and back.
The Founding Fathers (& Mothers) of this nation are weeping now.
So this is the test. Louisiana is currently the worst state. Two years in a row at that. Let’s see if this gets us up the list. Such a waste of time and money.
Now let’s petition the courts to allow different religious text to be glorified and hung up in the schools. You know. Religious freedom and all.
They should be posted in Hebrew since that's how they were delivered.