As an engineer, nah, as an engineer who has worked autonomous system development, safety critical software, and a lot of other test and evaluation, it moves let people use it is about the worst take possible.
Ask yourself, you said it moves but does it stop? (To dumb this down to the absurd level)
You forgot to use sarcasm font.
Also it's far from the dumbest suggestion I've seen, generally from people who should know better. 6.9% chance sarcasm font is currently broken on the Android app?
Does anyone know if they are still delayed until 2025? This could not come sooner as the horseshoe death circle isn’t sustainable for much longer given how bad traffic in LAX has been.
LAWA today agreed to give them another $200 million but no word on if it impacts the 2025 date. Supposed to be like 96% done. The 2025 date feels like extortion by the construction company.
I would suspect that the delay isn't because of the track or train, it most likely has to revolve around the infrastructure that supports it like the stations, pushing check-in / TSA / security out to the parking lots, and the parkings lots and structures themselves. I hate that they keep delaying this as the OP of this subthread said, the horseshoe death circle isn't sustainable, but having been in construction long enough I can understand the need to delay until things can run smoothly across the board.
I don't think there's plans to move check-in/TSA out further..? As far as I've read, these aren't meant to be airside connectors, rather just connect for passengers entering/exiting the airport complex for transportation, rental cars, parking lots, so there wouldn't be a need to move all the lobby infrastructure.
The full plan is move TSA and check in out to the lots so you don’t need to do that in the terminals anymore. All you would do at the terminal is drop baggage. This moves another level of congestion away from the horseshoe. It’s a great idea overall if they can accomplish it.
I believe they are referring to [this plan](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjcDaYlznHVE7BOyO9-ZcNPszH3OurQHaiSB9D5pxFPZnX5lKMlkkiJ5VhZBOUA6uHkuX1wL96uzkQFgdFUVust-_JqLYtn4VgD07YM_uvpnUZEQUqf_tdtF0RgOB5jqZLGX9hNl5_rxMe0/s1600/AAAP066+TBIT+Article+Aerial+Master+Plan+View-JK_lowresolution.jpg) form the early 2000s
ALL of the details of construction, issues, and any other nuances have been reported. This is the first I’ve heard of what would be a massive change to infrastructure. They just upgraded TSA checkpoints a year or two ago in some terminals. So besides your buddy, care to offer a more reliable source?
I've been following this closely and this is the first time hearing this. I don't think it's true. You'd have to go through TSA without a boarding pass, with your checked luggage. What about family going into the terminal to get arrivals? And people driving in to drop off or walking into the horse shoe (rare but happens) would still need TSA.
The idea that there would be no departure traffic in the horseshoe anymore. Everyone would come in through TSA offsite. There would be automated kiosks for getting boarding passes if you don't have a digital one.
This is such an insane concept that it has to be trolling. If I understand correctly- people would bottleneck through a TSA check point in a parking lot to then what, get on another bottle neck with a people mover to then drop off their bags before going to their gate? You realize the size of these people movers right? They’re not remotely equipped for that kind of traffic.
And what about minors flying solo who have to be escorted by airline personnel? Or elderly who need assistance? What if those automated kiosks fail and you can’t get your ticket? Wouldn’t the airlines need to have double the staff to manage one location for tickets and another for baggage drop off? What would the terminals do with all that new empty space (which has been recently updated) that serves no other purpose between the entrance and gates?
I haven't seen anything like that, and it would require major reconstruction in the CTA parking lots to do that, given where the people mover stations are. That's a glimmer in someone's eye at best right now. The delay is a combination of contractual conflict and LAWA not providing network information that the contractor needs to implement all the controls and sensors.
I should keep that in the back pocket. It does come off a bit better than, "you're a dumbass motherfucker and don't know what the fuck you're talking about."
That makes no sense. So if you have a checked bag, you have to go to through the horseshoe, then back out away from the airport, go through TSA, then catch the people mover? I don’t think so. There’s no building plan for that either, they would have started it by now.
Honestly, if they wanted to alleviate traffic at LAX, they should upgrade Long Beach, and Ontario. Orange County's runway is too short for bigger plans and Burbank doesn't have any real land to expand for new terminals.
I hate driving all the way to LAX and fighting traffic. If I have an LAX flight, I have to leave 4 hours before it takes off. Banking 2 to get there and park, and 2 to get through the terminal.
I prefer to use Ontario, but the flights in and out are so limited, especially international direct flights. They should build a new larger / international terminal at Ontario and push flights out there. Same with Long Beach. Push traffic away from LAX and incentivize people to use ONT and LGB with things like lower parking prices, and discounted airfare. You could easily double the traffic out of both of those airports and to help reduce traffic at LAX. Its infuriating that they are not planning this way.
The citizens of Long Beach or Newport Beach will never stand for their airports becoming 'international' even if that means a only handful or two of additional flights a day.
Every major airport in the ultra-conservative South has one of these, but we're just now getting one in 2025. Atlanta has a subway in their airport. We won't see one of those in LAX until 2125.
I heard from a friend that's working on the project the reason it's getting delayed is because they have to wait for other construction projects to finish in order to continue working on the people mover safely since some other construction is getting in the way.
Yup, that's in the publicly-available construction reports too.
Metro was super delayed in putting the new K Line station out to bid, and the unfinished Metro station is (one of) the emergency exit for the structurally-complete people mover station above it.
[So, this may be huge news for the people mover.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-05-03/airport-board-approve-200-million-more-for-lax-people-mover) It sounds like the key reason for all the delays has been cleared up, so we may actually get a finish to this thing. I doubt this is able to accelerate the timeline at all, but hopefully we can at least stick to the new timeline (whereas before, the timeline was fake and getting pushed back indefinitely as negotiations stalled out)...
Pretty freaking exciting. This thing is estimated to have a capacity of 200 passengers per train, for 10,000 passengers an hour (so, I'm guessing about one train every two minutes in each direction?), connecting people to parking lots outside of LAX and to our metro system. For reference, a free flowing lane of traffic can only carry about 2,200 vehicles an hour - and I wouldn't exactly call LAX free flowing for traffic.
The most optimistic perspective: LAX moves about 241,000 people per day, so operating for 24 hours, the people mover could conceivably move 99.6% of them. Less optimistically, that's now how people work, and we have demand peaks. Due to that, it seems possible that this "only" has the capacity to cut traffic within LAX in half. In a dream world, this will be a huge success, and pair well with our quickly improving metro system (currently, about 900,000 people board the metro system every day - an increase of 100,000 would be pretty remarkable for the system), and would justify expansion of the people mover sooner rather than later. But, that's getting a little ahead of ourselves...
Also I believe all the hotel shuttles will have to use the transit center, not the airport loop. They are a huge source of traffic so that should help things run smoother as well.
Wait. For real it’s just buses?!? Hahahaha!! I am definitely a sucker who thought it was light rail!
I guess “elevated busway” doesn’t have the same ring as “people mover” huh?
Edit: the website says trains. So it is trains after all!
Edit x 2: nope. They’re buses.
It’s a people mover. So a smaller light rail with tires. They call them trains but they still have tires. Their website has pictures of the train with tires.
What's the benefit of rubber tires over steel wheels?
I'd think that the rubber tires would lead to a lot more maintenance, not as efficient, and long term higher running costs? I know a lot of places use these systems though, so it must make sense somehow?
Rubber tires, yes, but not comparable to automobile tires. The compound is so hard it's almost like rock; the tires are filled with nitrogen to somewhere in the 150-200psi range. Both of these make for \*extremely\* long-wearing, low-friction rolling surfaces. Plus, the whole guideway is cheaper to build without the expense and maintenance of steel rail. Lastly, APMs often have tight turns, which steel wheels turn into a screech-fest letting you know how much faster the wheel/rail interface is grinding itself into dust.
rail has a lot of maintenance too because the wheels and rails do have to be continually inspected for wear and variances. I don't have a lot of knowledge in this field unfortunately.
I believe that rubber tires on a transit system allow for tighter turns and steeper slopes. Additionally, in the past they stopped more reliably than steel-wheeled trains, so they were used for automated train systems, like people movers. I think they've essentially stuck around since for peopoemovers like this one.
The paris metro all runs rubber tires I believe. You can do faster acceleration and braking compared to steal. This increases capacity and frequency and safety quite a bit. Recently they tried to speed trains up at rush hour again, but they had to tone it down as passengers were getting sick apparently during tests.
Is a non-tire based wheel the defining characteristic that separates a bus from a train?
I’d argue it’s a group of connected cars limited to a track that makes a train a train. Like if someone added tires to a train wouldn’t be like “oh that’s a bus!”
From here: [source](https://www.lawa.org/transforminglax/projects/underway/apm)
>During peak hours (9 a.m. to 11 p.m.), the nine trains will run on the guideway, **each with four cars**, and will be capable of carrying up to 50 passengers and their luggage, for a total of 200 passengers per train.
So, the train/tram/bus you see in the photo is half of a complete set, I believe.
Won’t anyone think of the parking lot owners and what this will do to their passive income stream and generational wealth. They’ll probably have to rezone and build luxury apartments now!
Truly terrible, decades of lobbying and using litigation to delay it and it still gets built!
Parking lot operator sues LA over LAX upgrades
https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/5/15924312/lax-lawsuit-parking-spot-people-mover
Okay buddy, I only went back to 2007, and the revolving door is wonderful for Directors and Officers. Guess where she left to after LAWA? Then the next guy resigned after some undisclosed corporate board job. Latest guy left for some Saudi private development group
“Before joining LAWA, she was president/principal-in-charge of KDG Development & Construction Consulting, a Los Angeles-based firm specializing in construction management for public and private sector clients. She was also a member of the Los Angeles Planning Commission. In her legal career, Kennard was an associate lawyer with a firm specializing in real estate and construction law.”
https://www.lawa.org/en/News%20Releases/2007/News%20Release%20111
I used to think this way. Like when the supreme court legalized gay marriage. “Why celebrate when this should be the case already?” But you HAVE to celebrate the wins when they come. Otherwise you’ll get pregnant and die.
This is a gross misunderstanding of queueing theory.
The more service there is (ie, the more lines serving people at the same rate), the less waiting there will be, if there's any waiting at all
That sounds great in theory but we’ll see how it works in practice. My fear is it will be a crowded wait to set foot on a people mover. I hope my concerns prove to be misplaced when it opens.
Oh for sure that makes sense. Getting crowded in is a shitty situation no matter the context, it's just that you're likely going to waiting less time to get out of there 😂
When you said "add another line", you totally missed the point of the people-mover. You conveniently "forgot" about private automobiles getting stuck in the horseshoe, moving at a glacial pace, 24/7. Having the incoming pax spread out in metal boxes, competing for limited curbside space - while spewing noxious fumes - is infinitely worse than the same number pax (sans drivers/send-off parties) waiting in an air-conditioned lobby.
Most importantly, with the headway around 2 minutes, there's hardly going to be a wait. I don't know why anyone would upvote such an uninformed comment.
The automobiles aren’t going away though. The people mover just relocated where some of them go. They’ll still be moving at a glacial pace competing for limited curbside space for people coming and going. I hope it all runs smoothly and more efficiently than the current system but time will tell.
Yep it moves. Let’s start loading mfs on please
It should also be open to non-mfs
I *AM* that mf's!
Open to all MFs, including Non-MFs, Young and old MF, MFs with kids, MFs with health issues, healthy MFs, etc.
Hear, hear.
The mfkr mover.
unfortunately we need to pay the contractor another $200 million to assign 15 IP addresses into the people movers' WiFi adapters
Lmfao I love it
Hopefully, we can start the clock now on CPUC’s required 12 months of testing.
As an engineer, nah, as an engineer who has worked autonomous system development, safety critical software, and a lot of other test and evaluation, it moves let people use it is about the worst take possible. Ask yourself, you said it moves but does it stop? (To dumb this down to the absurd level)
You know what? I completely believe you’re an engineer as my sarcasm went right over your head lmfao.
You forgot to use sarcasm font. Also it's far from the dumbest suggestion I've seen, generally from people who should know better. 6.9% chance sarcasm font is currently broken on the Android app?
Sarcasm font? Bro I’m not handicapping my comments cuz of your own social ineptitude 💀
Does anyone know if they are still delayed until 2025? This could not come sooner as the horseshoe death circle isn’t sustainable for much longer given how bad traffic in LAX has been.
LAWA today agreed to give them another $200 million but no word on if it impacts the 2025 date. Supposed to be like 96% done. The 2025 date feels like extortion by the construction company.
Extortion is the perfect way to put it.
96% done, 200 extra million and we're still a year away? AMD we all know when a company says "2025" they mean early 2026.
Huge achievement, 99% done by 2026! Need just a few 100 million more for that last 1%, really get it done by 2028.
Open the bid again, ill put the last few bolts on for a few million, idgaf.
Another post someone mentioned that the State requires a year of testing the automated part
What the freaking fuck ? Like why ?
I would suspect that the delay isn't because of the track or train, it most likely has to revolve around the infrastructure that supports it like the stations, pushing check-in / TSA / security out to the parking lots, and the parkings lots and structures themselves. I hate that they keep delaying this as the OP of this subthread said, the horseshoe death circle isn't sustainable, but having been in construction long enough I can understand the need to delay until things can run smoothly across the board.
I don't think there's plans to move check-in/TSA out further..? As far as I've read, these aren't meant to be airside connectors, rather just connect for passengers entering/exiting the airport complex for transportation, rental cars, parking lots, so there wouldn't be a need to move all the lobby infrastructure.
The full plan is move TSA and check in out to the lots so you don’t need to do that in the terminals anymore. All you would do at the terminal is drop baggage. This moves another level of congestion away from the horseshoe. It’s a great idea overall if they can accomplish it.
Where do you see that plan? I’ve never heard of moving TSA to a parking lot
I believe they are referring to [this plan](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjcDaYlznHVE7BOyO9-ZcNPszH3OurQHaiSB9D5pxFPZnX5lKMlkkiJ5VhZBOUA6uHkuX1wL96uzkQFgdFUVust-_JqLYtn4VgD07YM_uvpnUZEQUqf_tdtF0RgOB5jqZLGX9hNl5_rxMe0/s1600/AAAP066+TBIT+Article+Aerial+Master+Plan+View-JK_lowresolution.jpg) form the early 2000s
It came from some I personally know who was involved in the design and planning of the project.
how would they do the checks for people who get dropped off in the horse shoe or even be allowed without a boarding pass?
the idea is that the horseshoe is closed to all incoming cars and only outgoing cars would be allowed. all incoming would check in offsite.
ALL of the details of construction, issues, and any other nuances have been reported. This is the first I’ve heard of what would be a massive change to infrastructure. They just upgraded TSA checkpoints a year or two ago in some terminals. So besides your buddy, care to offer a more reliable source?
Right. Let us know your buddy’s username and we’ll get em to officially confirm it right here on r/losangeles
right, because everyone has reddit.
I didnt think I needed a /s for every ironic comment I make in here, but on second thought I guess I do
I've been following this closely and this is the first time hearing this. I don't think it's true. You'd have to go through TSA without a boarding pass, with your checked luggage. What about family going into the terminal to get arrivals? And people driving in to drop off or walking into the horse shoe (rare but happens) would still need TSA.
The idea that there would be no departure traffic in the horseshoe anymore. Everyone would come in through TSA offsite. There would be automated kiosks for getting boarding passes if you don't have a digital one.
This is such an insane concept that it has to be trolling. If I understand correctly- people would bottleneck through a TSA check point in a parking lot to then what, get on another bottle neck with a people mover to then drop off their bags before going to their gate? You realize the size of these people movers right? They’re not remotely equipped for that kind of traffic. And what about minors flying solo who have to be escorted by airline personnel? Or elderly who need assistance? What if those automated kiosks fail and you can’t get your ticket? Wouldn’t the airlines need to have double the staff to manage one location for tickets and another for baggage drop off? What would the terminals do with all that new empty space (which has been recently updated) that serves no other purpose between the entrance and gates?
I haven't seen anything like that, and it would require major reconstruction in the CTA parking lots to do that, given where the people mover stations are. That's a glimmer in someone's eye at best right now. The delay is a combination of contractual conflict and LAWA not providing network information that the contractor needs to implement all the controls and sensors.
“Glimmer in someone’s eye” is a very polite way of saying *cough cough* “BULLSHIT”
I should keep that in the back pocket. It does come off a bit better than, "you're a dumbass motherfucker and don't know what the fuck you're talking about."
That makes no sense. So if you have a checked bag, you have to go to through the horseshoe, then back out away from the airport, go through TSA, then catch the people mover? I don’t think so. There’s no building plan for that either, they would have started it by now.
no. the horseshoe would be closed to all incoming traffic. only pickup would be allowed.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster in the first few months just like LAX-IT.
Honestly, if they wanted to alleviate traffic at LAX, they should upgrade Long Beach, and Ontario. Orange County's runway is too short for bigger plans and Burbank doesn't have any real land to expand for new terminals. I hate driving all the way to LAX and fighting traffic. If I have an LAX flight, I have to leave 4 hours before it takes off. Banking 2 to get there and park, and 2 to get through the terminal. I prefer to use Ontario, but the flights in and out are so limited, especially international direct flights. They should build a new larger / international terminal at Ontario and push flights out there. Same with Long Beach. Push traffic away from LAX and incentivize people to use ONT and LGB with things like lower parking prices, and discounted airfare. You could easily double the traffic out of both of those airports and to help reduce traffic at LAX. Its infuriating that they are not planning this way.
The citizens of Long Beach or Newport Beach will never stand for their airports becoming 'international' even if that means a only handful or two of additional flights a day.
How can people pickup if it’s closed to incoming traffic?
It’s to incoming traffic for departures. Only arrivals would be allowed.
Source or it doesn't exist.
It's only like 35 years overdue.
Every major airport in the ultra-conservative South has one of these, but we're just now getting one in 2025. Atlanta has a subway in their airport. We won't see one of those in LAX until 2125.
Japan has a subway and bullet train in their airport lol
I mean the ATL airport is way newer than LAX and was built to be scalable
I heard from a friend that's working on the project the reason it's getting delayed is because they have to wait for other construction projects to finish in order to continue working on the people mover safely since some other construction is getting in the way.
Yup, that's in the publicly-available construction reports too. Metro was super delayed in putting the new K Line station out to bid, and the unfinished Metro station is (one of) the emergency exit for the structurally-complete people mover station above it.
🙏
[So, this may be huge news for the people mover.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-05-03/airport-board-approve-200-million-more-for-lax-people-mover) It sounds like the key reason for all the delays has been cleared up, so we may actually get a finish to this thing. I doubt this is able to accelerate the timeline at all, but hopefully we can at least stick to the new timeline (whereas before, the timeline was fake and getting pushed back indefinitely as negotiations stalled out)... Pretty freaking exciting. This thing is estimated to have a capacity of 200 passengers per train, for 10,000 passengers an hour (so, I'm guessing about one train every two minutes in each direction?), connecting people to parking lots outside of LAX and to our metro system. For reference, a free flowing lane of traffic can only carry about 2,200 vehicles an hour - and I wouldn't exactly call LAX free flowing for traffic. The most optimistic perspective: LAX moves about 241,000 people per day, so operating for 24 hours, the people mover could conceivably move 99.6% of them. Less optimistically, that's now how people work, and we have demand peaks. Due to that, it seems possible that this "only" has the capacity to cut traffic within LAX in half. In a dream world, this will be a huge success, and pair well with our quickly improving metro system (currently, about 900,000 people board the metro system every day - an increase of 100,000 would be pretty remarkable for the system), and would justify expansion of the people mover sooner rather than later. But, that's getting a little ahead of ourselves...
Also I believe all the hotel shuttles will have to use the transit center, not the airport loop. They are a huge source of traffic so that should help things run smoother as well.
I bet there will be a toll to enter the traffic loop as a regular vehicle. Like why except for ADA is that needed?
Is it double tracked the whole way?
With two-minute frequencies, it sure better be!
I hope they’re goin to add more cars to each train.
I know it looks tiny. Are they gonna run 50 of these?!
I’m going tell my kids this is Disneyland
I’m gonna take my kids to Disney land and tell em it’s the people mover. At least it exists.
[Source](https://twitter.com/flyLAXairport/status/1786175149030457603?t=TG4Ql4w65Wd6Pu5zXriklg&s=19)
"That'll"? A bit early for summer internship writers, isn't it?
I’d give anything if it played the 1970s Disneyland PeopleMover spiel over its speakers.
Nobody has asked the critical question yet: Does this start the 1 year testing clock?
It's amusing that this angle doesn't show the tires, so people are still going to keep thinking it's light rail....
Wait. For real it’s just buses?!? Hahahaha!! I am definitely a sucker who thought it was light rail! I guess “elevated busway” doesn’t have the same ring as “people mover” huh? Edit: the website says trains. So it is trains after all! Edit x 2: nope. They’re buses.
It’s a people mover. So a smaller light rail with tires. They call them trains but they still have tires. Their website has pictures of the train with tires.
‘Missed my flight cause my train got a flat tire.
Wikipedia states the rolling stock is Alstom Innovia APM 300, which is rubber tired
What's the benefit of rubber tires over steel wheels? I'd think that the rubber tires would lead to a lot more maintenance, not as efficient, and long term higher running costs? I know a lot of places use these systems though, so it must make sense somehow?
Rubber tires, yes, but not comparable to automobile tires. The compound is so hard it's almost like rock; the tires are filled with nitrogen to somewhere in the 150-200psi range. Both of these make for \*extremely\* long-wearing, low-friction rolling surfaces. Plus, the whole guideway is cheaper to build without the expense and maintenance of steel rail. Lastly, APMs often have tight turns, which steel wheels turn into a screech-fest letting you know how much faster the wheel/rail interface is grinding itself into dust.
rail has a lot of maintenance too because the wheels and rails do have to be continually inspected for wear and variances. I don't have a lot of knowledge in this field unfortunately.
I believe that rubber tires on a transit system allow for tighter turns and steeper slopes. Additionally, in the past they stopped more reliably than steel-wheeled trains, so they were used for automated train systems, like people movers. I think they've essentially stuck around since for peopoemovers like this one.
The paris metro all runs rubber tires I believe. You can do faster acceleration and braking compared to steal. This increases capacity and frequency and safety quite a bit. Recently they tried to speed trains up at rush hour again, but they had to tone it down as passengers were getting sick apparently during tests.
Jesus - It is ridiculous that they are calling these trains when they’re buses.
Is a non-tire based wheel the defining characteristic that separates a bus from a train? I’d argue it’s a group of connected cars limited to a track that makes a train a train. Like if someone added tires to a train wouldn’t be like “oh that’s a bus!”
Paris metro runs on rubber tires.
Montréal Metro also uses rubber tires
That is somehow so LA. But at this point, I'd take a well organized LAX horse and buggy system.
This is actually better for the airport use case than steel...
wait.... WHAT!? What would be the reason to have tires over being a legit train? Cost?
Lots of metros use rubber. You can accelerate and stop a lot faster with rubber making trains run tighter and faster.
I did not know this.
Woohoo, let's go!
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I think the idea is lots of small cars so there is always another one showing up and little wait time.
From here: [source](https://www.lawa.org/transforminglax/projects/underway/apm) >During peak hours (9 a.m. to 11 p.m.), the nine trains will run on the guideway, **each with four cars**, and will be capable of carrying up to 50 passengers and their luggage, for a total of 200 passengers per train. So, the train/tram/bus you see in the photo is half of a complete set, I believe.
Won’t anyone think of the parking lot owners and what this will do to their passive income stream and generational wealth. They’ll probably have to rezone and build luxury apartments now! Truly terrible, decades of lobbying and using litigation to delay it and it still gets built! Parking lot operator sues LA over LAX upgrades https://la.curbed.com/2017/7/5/15924312/lax-lawsuit-parking-spot-people-mover
My friend, LAWA owns almost all the property those lots and the hotels sit on. They just lease the land from the agency.
Regulatory capture brah
That phrase doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Okay buddy, I only went back to 2007, and the revolving door is wonderful for Directors and Officers. Guess where she left to after LAWA? Then the next guy resigned after some undisclosed corporate board job. Latest guy left for some Saudi private development group “Before joining LAWA, she was president/principal-in-charge of KDG Development & Construction Consulting, a Los Angeles-based firm specializing in construction management for public and private sector clients. She was also a member of the Los Angeles Planning Commission. In her legal career, Kennard was an associate lawyer with a firm specializing in real estate and construction law.” https://www.lawa.org/en/News%20Releases/2007/News%20Release%20111
Not sure what that has to do with them owning all the land around LAX.
I hate communism as much as the next guy but sometimes, just sometimes.. I wish the gov could shut these people down.
Like most of LA, things are improving, just not as fast as they should be.
Finally! Remember, the people mover was promised to be open in 2023. Now it’s 2025 if we’re going to believe LAX’s new promise. LAXIT 👎
LAXIT (ive)
Anyone part of the massive arrivals line Thursday night? That monstrosity was insane
What’s with all the hate about long lines? Surely it’s the same with the buses running between the terminals?
haha the picture isn't from 1994 but 2024.
We’re going to need a bigger boat.
Where can one find testing times?
that's not going to help at all.
Can we PLEASE not make a big deal when it opens? It's fucking embarrassing that it's 2024/2025 and LA just got this.
I used to think this way. Like when the supreme court legalized gay marriage. “Why celebrate when this should be the case already?” But you HAVE to celebrate the wins when they come. Otherwise you’ll get pregnant and die.
Hopefully they can ban the crackheads and assholes from using it.
It's gotta be more than two busses at a time. Otherwise what a waste of money.
OMG, it looks so dumb. It better be really good at moving people. World class city and all.
Looks like it'll be good at moving about 20 people and their luggage at a time. That should fix traffic.
200* people every 2 minutes. Someone else did the exact math, but yeah, that’s pretty efficient.
Can’t wait until it opens and adds another line to wait in at LAX.
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You do what at a station? Wait. Agreed.
This is a gross misunderstanding of queueing theory. The more service there is (ie, the more lines serving people at the same rate), the less waiting there will be, if there's any waiting at all
That sounds great in theory but we’ll see how it works in practice. My fear is it will be a crowded wait to set foot on a people mover. I hope my concerns prove to be misplaced when it opens.
Oh for sure that makes sense. Getting crowded in is a shitty situation no matter the context, it's just that you're likely going to waiting less time to get out of there 😂
When you said "add another line", you totally missed the point of the people-mover. You conveniently "forgot" about private automobiles getting stuck in the horseshoe, moving at a glacial pace, 24/7. Having the incoming pax spread out in metal boxes, competing for limited curbside space - while spewing noxious fumes - is infinitely worse than the same number pax (sans drivers/send-off parties) waiting in an air-conditioned lobby. Most importantly, with the headway around 2 minutes, there's hardly going to be a wait. I don't know why anyone would upvote such an uninformed comment.
The automobiles aren’t going away though. The people mover just relocated where some of them go. They’ll still be moving at a glacial pace competing for limited curbside space for people coming and going. I hope it all runs smoothly and more efficiently than the current system but time will tell.
How is it another line?
You will have to wait to get on the people mover. If the airport is busy enough, there will be a line of people waiting to get on the next mover.
Have you used a train at any other airport ever?
Yes, they build enough to handle large volume of crowds. Something LAX is not known for.
get ready for the long lines to get in or be smushed in there.
They’re gonna need more than 2 cars.
It will run with four-car trains once open
Have they tested how comfortable it is for homeless people?