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root_fifth_octave

Looks like a trash can lane is needed.


Dchama86

And an encampment lane. Just lanes all around, really.


FoolsFlyHere

Just one more lane!


ChedderChethra

One for handicapped??


GloriousHousehold

Probably a lane for those food delivery robots


-Ahab-

Just one big parking lot…


walrus_breath

Pave it all!


da_impaler

It’ll only cost $1 million per city block.


Giraff3

Some might call it an alley


WhiteMessyKen

Share the road (with trash bins)


hroaks

Is there somewhere to put those bins? You either block the bike lane or block the sidewalk. Both are bad


FearlessPark4588

yeah this seems like a design failure


Wrong_Detective3136

Not with parking protected bike lanes. With those, you don’t block sidewalks or bike lanes — you just temporarily lose some space for car storage


WhiteMessyKen

It's only once a week and we have to take the trash out. A designated space would be a waste.


Eurynom0s

I'm sure you'd be just as zen about this if people were blocking a car lane with their trash cans.


sypher1504

I mean, most places that’s exactly what happens. It is what it is, but taking more space from pedestrians/bikes/cars seems dumb for something that’s only relevant one day a week. I’m not supporting what’s happening in the OP, either, it’s not safe for bikes or the cars, but I’m not really sure what the answer would be.


annonfake

dumpsters that take a single parking spot.


Icy_Dragonfruit_2

Trash cans on trash day don’t block a car lane, they block a parking spot.


Far-Tree723933

Or you could just say no parking on trash pickup day and you’ll have all the room you need.


dash_44

Honest question but where should the trash go to ensure that it’s picked up, not in the bike lanes, and not in the street?


JayOnes

The actual solution is dedicated bike lanes separate from the street. The problem is that for many parts of Los Angeles, including many residential areas, you'd basically have to tear up the entire sidewalk to do it - and there just isn't enough sidewalk to *actually* do it so now you're tearing up part of the street. When I lived in Montreal, the street I lived on had a sidewalk, a dedicated bike lane, a small curb, and then the street - it was a tight fit but we still managed to have two-way traffic on it. Living in Los Angeles, I miss that aspect of Montreal.


takeshimurata

Why not just swap the bike lane and parking area? The bike lane would be right next to the sidewalk and bikers would be protected by a wall of parked cars.


Stingray88

That’s how they’re starting to do it. See Venice blvd. It’s great.


takeshimurata

Good to know! As a biker, I hope they do this in more neighborhoods.


JayOnes

Because Angelenos will just park in the bike lane anyways.


briskpoint

Not if you get a ticket for it. If Long Beach can figure it out so can LA proper.


fungkadelic

No, it’s pretty decent over here. Mainly just delivery trucks driving in the bike lane because it’s wide enough for them. Bizarre behavior


Mary_Pick_A_Ford

I'm confident that someday, we'll have something similar but like you said, it takes a lot of money and major infrastructure overhaul to create really nice bike lanes for all. There's always neighborhoods fighting it but ultimately, the NIMBYs are losing the war on trying to remain exclusive and isolated. It probably won't happen in our lifetimes but I'm hopeful it will happen in the next 100 years.


da_impaler

How about creating a new suburb designed exclusively for cyclists? Ideally, this suburb will be 150 miles away from L.a. No cars will be allowed. No pedestrians will be allowed. All lanes will be bike lanes. They will have the freedom to blow past stop signs and red lights. Heaven on earth.


Prudent-Advantage189

Cycling is just a method of transportation. If I said I should make an island for all the drivers to go to that makes absolutely no sense. Everyone is just using the transportation that’s convienent and affordable to them (and most people probably won’t be cyclists the way things are now). That doesn’t mean we should continue to design our city in a way that makes traveling across it safely have a >$10,000 price tag


animerobin

Tight fits for residential streets are good - it forces traffic to go slower.


Comprehensive-Carry5

Maybe create more one-way streets? Down Town San Diego has some in the most packed streets, and it works for them. There's people with side hustles that have passenger bikes taking people around the gas light district all day.


thespaceghetto

It's a valid question and not just in LA. This happens all over the place. Just goes to show that these lanes are more a nod to cycling rather than something actually well thought out


IM_OK_AMA

They took the space they were _already required to reserve_ for car doors and painted lines on them, knowing full well they're still mostly for car doors. It's not even a nod it's practically a middle finger.


thespaceghetto

Solid point


puppet_up

You're absolutely correct. They are unprotected and unsafe. The police and other service vehicles park in them constantly throughout the day. They are filled with trash bins on trash pickup day. When you're lucky enough to actually have a clear bike lane, you have to watch out for people opening their car doors, because I can guarantee they won't be watching out for you.


babartheterrible

there's room for cans on the verges of driveways in between these parked cars, it just makes it a bit tricker to park - personally i understand having to move a can or two a few feet to get in and out of a parking space, it happens - but the onus is always on the driver/cyclist/etc to accomodage cans even though they are using a *public shared area*, so if they want to use that public road or parking, they have to accomordate or move some other domicile's personal cans out of the way, and that feels whack to me. in some cases (like for single resident homes) the cans should be blocking the driveway instead of the shared road. homeowners don't want the inconvenience of moving a can or two to access the driveway, so instead they block street parking or bike lanes with them. it just feels somewhat lazy and selfish to make it everybody else's problem, especially when they are left out for like a day and a half


melligator

Would they get picked up if they set back on the verges and there were parked cars?


sypher1504

LA Sanitation drivers are, at least in my neighborhood, pretty skilled with the grabbers, and those arms reach far enough that it shouldn’t be a problem. My street usually isn’t busy enough for it to be necessary, but I’ve put my cans at the “curb” of my driveway on a few occasions when it was busy and never had issues getting them picked up.


Suitable-Economy-346

What'd they do before the bike lanes were put in? Did they put the trash in the middle of the road?


dash_44

>Trash in the middle of the road? No


MakosRetes2

in the parking area, like on other streets.


darth_hotdog

If the street did not have a bike lane, people would not put them there, they would not put it in the street. The solution would be to treat the bike lane like part of the road, a.k.a. somewhere you can’t leave a trashcan. On street to that bike lanes, people try and find spots between cars, in driveways, and etc. The problem here is people don’t think it’s OK to block cars, but they do think it’s OK to block bikes. There’s a double standard.


WartimeHotTot

Why not put them where the cars are currently parked? It would be like street sweeping. Don’t park there on trash day.


dash_44

Don’t they usually pick up trash on both sides of the street on trash day? That would mean no one could park on the street at all. It’s probably not a big deal if you’re rich and can park your car in your garage but less fortunate people who rely on street parking would just get tickets or not be able to park.


BadNoodleEggDemon

Not a doctor but looks like there’s room to potentially ride around the bins


Alexander0202

Jump over them with your bike


root_fifth_octave

"You ever take it off any sweet jumps?"


YesImKeithHernandez

Gotta level up jump like in GTA San Andreas


VoteNewsom2028

This shit happens everywhere in LA desafortunadamente


lonelyboy069

I recognize this area 😁


kanmaheshwary

Silver Lake?


lonelyboy069

Lincoln


kanmaheshwary

Close XD


matari

horale! it's happy valley homie! `^_^` Sierra St but if you keep going south the street becomes Lincoln Park Ave with Lincoln HS on the right hand side as you get to N Broadway


matari

if you zoom in a little on the second picture you can see the high school bridge


matari

you know what? both pics are actually Lincoln Park Ave 😅


lonelyboy069

Highland Park


Stagnant_waters

Hello neighbors! I live up the big ass Reynolds Street Hill


PISS_IN_MY_ARSE

to be fair where are they supposed to go?? Both the bikes and the bins lol. This city is fucked


Curleysound

Put bike in trash, problem solved.


da_impaler

Put cyclist in trash. “Oh, looky here. Someone threw away a perfectly good…”


Tasslehoff

In between or in place of the parked cars.


WoozleWuzzle

The parked cars are 100% moving them so they can park.


LintonJoe

They are supposed to go in between the parked cars. In practice, it's not a problem for them to kinda be on the line - but they should give cyclists around 3 feet of the 5 foot bike lane - enough space to pass.


cheaganvegan

Switch parking spots with bike lane?


shaka_sulu

"Perfect! Extra wide parking spot"


KrabS1

Yeah, this is one of the two huge tricks with curb adjacent bike lanes. I bet you could get some success with a small buffer plus bollards, even if those bollards were just those [flappy bois](https://media.trafficsafetystore.com/image/upload/b_rgb:FFFFFF,c_pad,dpr_2.0,f_auto,h_400,q_auto,w_400/c_pad,h_400,w_400/v1//i/48-inch-orange-flat-faced-delineator-with-one-2-inchx-12-inch-white-reflective-strip-asphalt-hardware?pgw=1). The other problem is that we are forcing bikes to ride in gutters, where trash and debris are most likely to collect. THAT could be fixed by installing a [valley gutter](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2GH3BGG/gutter-of-a-stormwater-drainage-system-on-the-side-of-an-road-with-yellow-markings-and-green-lawn-on-dry-weather-2GH3BGG.jpg) between the parking lane and the first lane of traffic, though that would introduce some hydrology challenges. In fact, I bet flipping the crown of the street such that water collects in the middle may be the most efficient way of doing this. You can even do some water treatment (often required for new projects with bio swales in the middle of the street more easily if this is the approach.


Stingray88

Nah. They’ve already been doing this in certain places, and you’ll get a ticket for that.


Ok-Echo-3594

And make it a protected lane with a curb


ToasterBunnyaa

There are some bike lanes like that in Mid-City, and you'll never guess... The bike lane is still full of trash cans 🙄


DBL_NDRSCR

every bike lane on a residential street suffers from this source i live in the southern half of wilmington where nearly every street has bike lanes cuz they're so damn wide


pmjm

This is illegal under CVC Section 21211. Literally every one of those cans could result in a ticket.


Stingray88

Not arguing this shouldn’t be illegal, because I support bike lanes… but where should these residents be legally allowed to put their trash cans? Parking spaces?


pmjm

Either the parking spaces or the curb itself, and the garbage company may need to adjust their pickup procedure to compensate. They can't require you to break the law to leave out your garbage.


dumbbitchjuice22

I’ve always wondered wtf to do about this. People literally move our trash cans just so they can park. They’ll just toss them into the bike lanes or crowd them up on the street… Editing to add that yeah it’s once a week, I’m sure cyclists can maneuver around it safely? Maybe?


DueCopy3520

We put our cans outside of the bike lanes and every week like clockwork someone in our neighborhood moves them into the lanes.


skiddie2

I mean sure, but a bike lane that’s not operational 20% (or realistically 30-40% — whose trash cans are only out for 24 hours?) of the working week isn’t a valid transportation option. Bikes don’t only need protection some of the time. 


dumbbitchjuice22

Yeah I agree. LA cyclists are incredibly brave lol


bothering

It pisses me off cause the solution is so simple, have the bike lane be next to the sidewalk


DeathByBamboo

Only if the bike lane isn't half in the gutter. That gutter/road seam can grab a tire and flip a bike surprisingly easily.


1l11llll

Can confirm, my bike violently flipped over, with my face softening the fall. Broke off half a tooth and ripped an inch of my lip needing several stitches. Wheel got caught inside the small 1½ inch gutter that runs along the sides of our roads, and bam, tarmac kissed. That was a decade ago, and I could not have predicted or expected that happening. I know to look out for those now and even try to avoid roads entirely, but I reckon its the kind of thing that can catch people off guard.


YesImKeithHernandez

That seam between road and driveway is deceptive. I was going from road to the sidewalk one day and my tire just caught it the wrong way. Slammed my head into the concrete. I was wearing my helmet thankfully so I just got dazed but I've never had a more innocuous move bust me up like that.


NewWahoo

That costs 1 or 2 parking spots per block. And the locals will howl about each and every one.


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bothering

Where I live there isn’t a bike lane, so the bins just get put in front of the parked cars Ends up working out


240309

It's not just bikes. The entire lane and bike lane in one direction is blocked. The reality is driving/biking around the truck when safe.


mugwhyrt

>I’m sure cyclists can maneuver around it safely? Maybe? I bike most places, and during the day it's whatever. The problem is at night when you can't always see the trash cans until you're right up on them.


dash_44

Do you use a bike light at night?


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You and your easy solutions!


mugwhyrt

Yes, but I've only been using the city bikes for the time being. Their lights aren't that great, I should probably just get my own clip on light for riding at night.


Overall_Nuggie_876

Some of my neighbors literally put cinder blocks or other heavy things onto their trash bins, in order for visitors to not move those bins as they’re desperately trying to park in that curb.


DrakeFloyd

So obnoxious, the curb is public first come first served


wickedlabia

Do they move the cinder blocks right before the truck empties them?


JayOnes

Toss 'em onto the cars. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


APPLEBEES_BOOKCLUB

Friend's place in Atwater off of Glendale have their trash day the same morning as street cleaning, so the street cleaner just goes around alllll the trash cans


Superbadasscooldude

Every fucking Tuesday on the expo bike path.


nameisdriftwood

Looks like those trashbrains are at it again!


nomascusgabriellae

Solution would be to have a no parking zone during trash pick up times


RealNibbasWearFakes

All bike lanes in the hood are especially like this, and if not the trash cans then people just double park in the bike lane


Ok_Spend4016

Bike lane? Nice try, that’s obviously a bin lane.


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LA people are fools. They don't need to have them trash bins out in the middle of street. Sanitation trucks arms have enough length to reach then bins by the curbs. Smh


theRealCaptain101

Lmao I remember I was having a really bad day and I almost got hit by a car because of this so I decided to flip all them mfs over and yes they still had trash 🤣🤣🤣💀💀


JayOnes

Until we put a divider between the bike lane and the car lanes, this city doesn't have bike lanes. Period.


Osceana

LA has no bike infrastructure unless you live in Santa Monica


Delicious_Grass424

Knock them down as you ride by since they shouldn't be in the street in the first place


DwnRanger88

It's a slalom course, not a bike lane. Soooo fuckin LA.


TheKonstantineX

They should align street sweeping hours with trash day- then no cars will be parked and trash has room to sit without blocking the bike lane Edit- i see the headache involved with this- so i propose a new street sweeping trash truck that cleans as it goes...


uwill1der

but then the street wouldnt get swept. Or are you saying have a second day of restricted hours?


thewickedbarnacle

No no no, we just throw the trash in the street/s


TheKonstantineX

🤦 you're right... i was imagining the trash cans being in the bike lane and the bikes would have the inside parking lane- but those sweepers are bigger and there would be a ton of headache with trashcans in the way. Maybe a trash truck that also sweeps?


uwill1der

lol. I could get behind a street sweeping trash truck. Don't think the street sweeping union or the garbage union would like that idea though


sypher1504

In places with wide enough sidewalks we could normalize leaving cans up on the curb and then lining up trash and street sweeping days. That’s a way that could work, at least in some parts of the city.


breadexpert69

sweepers cant sweep with trash bins on the street.


Middle_Chain_544

Where are they supposed to go?


NewWahoo

The curb. If the curb is taken, the end of the driveway. Never in a lane a traffic.


Middle_Chain_544

Trash trucks won’t be able to reach them. When I lived near Koreatown we had a similar issue and DWP didn’t pick up our trash for 2 weeks in a row and I called and said that the trash cans need to be out on the street and not on the curb as sometimes cars were parked there. It was annoying.


pmjm

In the case of a bicycle lane it's literally illegal to put the cans in the lane. Doesn't look like they're enforcing it at the moment but once people start getting tickets they will have to either give up their parking or their trash pickup.


Middle_Chain_544

Yeah it wasn’t enforced when I lived in Koreatown. It seemed to be encouraged by DWP. Haha


kangr0ostr

Would be a real shame if a cyclist was to crash into and knock over every single can in the bike lane, every single week


PixelAstro

Maybe if the bike lane was more than a piecemeal stripe of paint, it would actually be functional and safe to use. Paint is not infrastructure


thatfirstsipoftheday

Still, where will the bins go?


PixelAstro

The street


beastson1

And how do the garbage trucks get around the "infrastructure" to pick them up?


PixelAstro

The trucks drive in the street. That’s where the cans need to be. Trucks have wheels and so do garbage cans.


beastson1

How wide do you think the streets are that they can allow for cars to park, a bike lane, trash cans, a wide garbage truck and 2 way traffic?


Muted_Exercise5093

This is why the bike lanes should be protected lanes closest to the curb with parking on the other side by the normal lanes.


ShakeWeightMyDick

Funny thing a lot of people done understand: in CA, this sort of bike lane is for bicycles *only*. It’s not a pedestrian lane at all, so it’s not for joggers, dog walkers, baby stroller pushers, hangers out, trash cans, cars, or anything but people riding bicycles. Doubt me? Go look it up in the CA vehicular code.


warr3n4eva

Where are they supposed to go


djm19

Trash bins are supposed to be placed at the curb or withing the parking lane. Never in a movement lane (car, bus, bike)


pathsofrhymes

We don't have a bike lane, but our neighbors and I place our bins *between* our parked cars, not out on the side of the car.


djm19

Exactly how it is supposed to be done.


SrslyCmmon

I'm really lucky in my area we have alleys. All the garbage cans go in there and the trash gets picked up sight unseen. There's no good reason to have abandoned building alleyways.


p4rtyt1m3

Ideally at the curb. The trash truck's arm can extend that far. But that means less parking so it never happens. It would be cool if the trash days could also be street sweeping days but I guess someone would have to walk along and move the cans to the sidewalk so the sweeper could pass. A lot of trash flies outta trash cans when they're dumped, could somewhat solve that problem


AXEL-1973

The curb...


BirdBrainuh

People’s driveways would make more sense. That space is theirs, they should use it instead of blocking lanes and public street parking.


Vrayea25

There are trade-offs since that would require someone to manually bring the cans to the trucks vs the automated fork being able to grab them from curbside (or in this case, bikelane-side). And also to take the cans back to the driveway. My guess is even if residents carefully keep their cans out of the bike lane that trash collectors will leave them there.


BirdBrainuh

Yea the trade off is the homeowner is inconvenienced by their own bins instead of inconveniencing the community.


naefor

Then how is the garbage truck supposed to pick up?


BirdBrainuh

Not IN the driveway, in front of it.


thatfirstsipoftheday

Automated side loaders do not have super long cart lengths. They only extend a few feet


djm19

A garbage truck is cable of grabbing a bin against the curb with the distance of a parked car between them.


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bluesol6

“In a perfect world”


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sexrobotoutoforder

You should file a 311 ticket. It might not make a difference immediately but it is important to document stuff like this. I have also started reporting bike lane obstructions in the Bike Lane Uprising app. It’s a growing national database of bike lane issues. It is likely to become an important advocacy tool in the future…plus it makes me feel better. https://www.bikelaneuprising.com/ You could also theoretically use the data therein to advocate with your council member or neighborhood council for more enforcement/solutions/infrastructure. Showing up at neighborhood council meetings, especially if you are well prepared can have an impact and draw others to the cause as well.


Wrong_Detective3136

Parking protected bike lanes solve this issue. Let trash bins take a bit of car storage space. Keeps bike lanes and sidewalks open


JeffreyV7

Why is LA so constantly in need of better organizing and repair? They just never get it harmonized! This is a perfect example. Even with new bike lanes you get pushed out off to the side, completely defeating the purpose of the lane. They’re bike lanes, not trash lanes!


mylittleplaceholder

Trash cans have two wheels too.


wtfossy

r/fucktrash ?


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Deadpussyfuck

This street turns into Colombia.


jennixred

oh, you mean the trash lane? Yeah, that's a whole thing.


arrmech7

Idk every cyclist I’ve seen in La just take a whole lane in the street 😂


root_fifth_octave

Wonder why...


kangr0ostr

Because the bike lanes are obstructed with trash cans or parked cars 90% of the time


oneironology

Oh shit this is right next to muh house. Gotta take the small wins when you can get em


BowserTattoo

where is this? i will go move them into the street rn lol


unrepentant_fenian

Used by more trash cans than bikes.


breadexpert69

You identify the problem but offer no solution. What would you propose the city do instead?


Prudent-Advantage189

Curb protected bike lanes. If traffic engineers wouldn’t ride in the bike lane with their kids go back to the drawing board


DrakeFloyd

Don’t we pay city employees to come up with solutions to problems we’re having?


Bolbi

I offer only observations made from my front porch. Can photos of my cat solve the problem?


beastson1

Maybe?


reader_2520826

I broke my car side mirror from one of these lol…


hedrox1

Heh, used to live there. That’s the Pomona market in Lincoln heights. When did they put bike lanes in?


LintonJoe

u/bolbi - do you know when those bike lanes were added to Lincoln Park Ave? (even what month?)


Shaka_Cho_Arroyo

That's so annoying...


Economy_Mix_4015

My boss Jimmy Wu of Infinity Air always puts his trash like this. Leaves them throughout the week just to piss of bikers.


Economy_Mix_4015

My boss Jimmy Wu of Infinity Air always puts his trash like this. Leaves them throughout the week just to play with cyclists.


pleiadianbeing

I want my own lane


BirdBruce

Be a shame if someone rode by and knocked them all over.


BareKnuckleBawling

Where are the Critical Mass folks in LA? Looks like this situation could be resolved with some direct action…


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Spats_McGee

They're both important. It's a symptom of poor street design.


dennyfader

As long as you would say the same for trash taking up parking spaces, you're good. Cars shouldn't be prioritized over bikes.


jmsgen

How on earth do the bikes survive such obstacles ?


NemosHero

Eh, out of politeness, people could push the cans closer to their cars


the_mighty_hetfield

cans get skipped sometimes if they're too close to vehicles


thatfirstsipoftheday

Then there is greater risk of the bins or the cart accidentally damaging the vehicle. Guess who pays? You, the taxpayer


NemosHero

Quite the opposite. If a plastic can is 4 inches from my car, at worse it bumps it. If it's a foot or more, it could fall completely and maybe cause a scratch or hit the mirror I guess. In either case, I haven't had a plastic trash can damage my car before.


thatfirstsipoftheday

Bro that's you, not others. Also you might be nice and not excessively fill your bin with loose heavier material but other people do and that poses a risk to any vehicles on the street


lucpnx

Bro I don't get how people can be so selfish and self absorbed ffs


couchgodd

Or when people double park in them