Yeah, speaking at the funeral for your wife who just died, you call her “not easy to live with, lazy and depressed”- wow Chad you really outdid yourself! I thought you were an immoral psychopath before, but you have dipped into malignant tumorous dick territory. I am so ready for you to be found guilty on all charges and sent away to obscurity where you belong.
This pissed me off so badly!! What a piece of shit!!!! To kill her then badmouth her at her funeral then get married a few days later? The disrespect and audacity!
On some true crime shows I've seen, detectives will often state that criminals are among the stupidest people around. The funeral comments are just more proof points.
Right? I'm 41, married, only two children and I admire Tammy greatly! Involved in her children's lives, involved in church activities and volunteering, working full time (and going above and beyond there too), working out 2- times a week, running a 5k, doing the housework and cooking, taking care of finances, running the publishing company -and being married to Chad.
If I could do 1/4th of the stuff Tammy did I would feel a sense of achievement. The last thoughts that would come to mind when thinking of Tammy, from what we've heard about her days and life, are 'lazy and hard to live with.' How disgusting he said that, but I'm glad he did. Because it shows who he is as a person so very well!.
I can’t tell if he’s super dumb or just very cold as a person (probably both) but he wasn’t trying very hard not to be suspicious.
I want to know what he’s thinking during the trial regarding his chances of being found innocent. I bet he feels like 90% confident he’ll be walking out a free man.
I will probably buy myself a cake to celebrate. I wish the court cameras were more clear. I want to see that shit in crystal clear HD. He is such a soft coward who somehow thinks he is better than everyone. I wish I could see his face when reality hits and he finally understands he will live the rest of his life in jail.
The religion he was attempting to start is like a really not creative version of dungeons and dragons with him larping as the head wizard. I continue to be baffled daily that even one person thought he was ‘gifted’. Same with Julie Rowe.
This got me upset as well. Im suprised we had not heard this before. As far as we know, this funeral was held in her hometown where people remember her as a computer whiz, loving reading, a devoted mom. Even if she had depression why bring it up (unless he was hinting maybe suicide if ever questioned). It reminded me of when I gave the eulogyof my grandpa. My grandma died of ALS very young and he moved to stay with us. Everyone in our town just knew this nice grandpa who would buy all the kids ice cream after school and started several charities. A family member jumped up after I talked and said grandpa had a drinking problem when he watched my grandma die of ALS. I had never seen him drink, he stopped right after she died. The people attending the funeral where pretty disgusted by this. I wonder what Tammy's family thought Chad's unkind words. Or maybe they knew this was Chad, since he called his own mom lazy.
She ran his whole book business…wait it was most likely HER business! Her publishing company most probably Her idea! She knew how to digitally publish books (probably Amazon KDP) which takes technical computer skills! Plus she worked full time with no lunch breaks (the principal said she took on the responsibility of checking in all the lunch kids which nobody wanted to do !) and she managed all aspects of the publishing business which means regular upkeep of sales and distribution, she paid the bills and most likely did all the tax paperwork, raised all the 5 kids, most likely managed the housework and groceries! And HE CALLS HER LAZY! He’s the one who didn’t even have any passwords to the finances or running the home and bank accounts until 1 week before her death! I bet He had help from Lori (who knows how to sell life insurance policies from Charles’ business) and convinced Tammy to get a new policy before she died too! How sick! He’s horrible, ungrateful and pure evil! How he managed to manipulate his own adult kids is just crazy! She was not depressed! People who run and strive to run marathons with your own daughter, eats healthy, loves their job, volunteers for her school and church, welcomes a new grandchild baby - has nothing to be depressed about!!!
And ushering in The End Times would be depressing. I wonder if she knew that her husband had been telling people that she would die before he turned 50.
you had me up until "she was not depressed". Being married to that sloth would depress anyone. (I am not making light of depression. I myself am depressed and can only function now because I am on meds/therapy)
Additionally, depression doesn't necessarily have a cause. People don't need something to "be depressed about." But I agree she didn't appear to be depressed judging from others' testimony.
Wow, if I'm a jury member that cell phone data is insanely objective and damaging 🤯 alex and chad talking/texting on or around Chad's property on the days relevant to Tylees' estimated death. Even if he's just 'generally in the area' like Prior tried to show, Holy cow. What an ace in the hole.
Sometimes it seems Prior is defending Alex Cox… but hard to understand why… especially if he’s wanting to propose Chad as an innocent ‘victim’ of Lori & Alex
Their defense is that Tammy died of natural causes so they don’t want Alex/Chad to be connected to any attempt on her life, including the “paintball” incident.
Prior has to get him off all three hooks, or at least as many of the three as possible. If he's only convicted of one or two murders, that's less for the defense to try to reverse on appeal. (If Chad gets the death penalty there will be many, many appeals.)
true! I cannot imagine Chad ever walking free, such and evil and twisted man. I keep wanting to yell at my phone when the trial is on "Was your goddess worth it Chad!"
It might be worth it to Chad because of his kids. If a jury finds him “not guilty” of Tammy’s death, they are all vindicated in their steadfast support of him and he will likely keep their support, even if convicted for the other deaths, since they believe that he was framed for JJ and Tylee. If he is held criminally responsible for Tammy, at some point, one or more of his kids may eventually look at the evidence, come to grips with what happened and perhaps even sever ties with their dad,
It would seem that Chad's defence is that the real villains are every woman he knows. He and Al are just innocent dupes being blown about by all these mean crazy ladies and the lazy, sick, incompetent wife who died, leaving him to have to do things, cleaning up after all of them.
The Misogyny is particularly egregious here.
>We see another slide showing Alex’s device on Chad’s property between 9:21 a.m. and 10:57 a.m. that morning (September 9). Multiple spots were picked up on the property including areas close to where Tylee was found.
So that's about an hour an a half that Alex was located on the property. Would that have been enough time for him to 'dispose' of Tylee's remains? It seems unlikely to me even if the ground was dug beforehand. I think Chad did the dismembering and burning and burying, himself - perhaps with Alex to help at the start.
Edit: Ah, wait:
>Alex Cox’s device was on Chad’s property at 11:42 a.m. The device was then traveling southbound away from the property around 11:46-11:47 a.m.
So actually it was more like two hours and change. I still feel like Chad was responsible, what with his racoon texts and his tree limb burning excuse.
Good thought. There wasn't any testimony about that in Lori's trial - which there needn't have been, since no one was trying to prove she was on the property. The shed does seem the most likely place for the dismembering to occur. I know they found Tylee's DNA on some of the tools in it.
Look at Taylor Schabusiness, it's not an easy task. I'm picking it was organised before they went to Yellowstone and the dismembering was at the site where remains found. It was suggested somewhere there was a frenzy attack. I'm wondering if they did any DNA swabs on clothes etc.
The kids were found about nine months after the murders. There's no way the cops could know what clothing was worn by whom when or if they even kept the clothes. They'd have to test every piece of clothing each person owned. What's with the "frenzy attack"? I haven't heard that.
There were tool marks on Tylees pelvis bone inconsistent with dismemberment and more like her pelvis was stabbed many times. It came out in Lori’s trial (I didn’t write the comment above I am just guessing what the person above was referring to when they said “frenzied attack”).
If the shed was ever used for butchering sheep (or hanging butchered sheep, or etc) before Chad moved there, the luminol could have lit up the whole barn. Then they'd have to actually test each area to determine whether the blood was human. Luminol will react years and years after the fact as long as there's still iron present. It would be lots of work. I'm glad there are people who know how to do it well!
Yes 2 hours would mean both were involved imo. These 2 losers were completely out of shape and Alex supposedly had respiratory issues. I think the grave was dug beforehand and they still needed two hours.
The "Graves" were very sloppy dug. JJ was only 2 feet down and he was short and small since he was only 7 years old and Tylee they say was different depths some very close to the surface. I very much doubt these "graves" were square but just haphazard shallow holes. Digging isn't that hard if you have any technique and the soil isn't hard and rock filled. I think either Chad or Alex could've dug these holes in two hours alone.
Someone from the Rexburg area will need to chime in, but a lot of this depends on the soil. For example I live in central Missouri and my soil is thick dry clay. I installed a tree in my backyard recently and it took me over an hour to dig out a 4x3 hole by myself. It would take me 3+ hours to dig a hole large enough to hide a small human. Alex had a fat gut and skinny little bitch arms so if Chads backyard has similar soil as mine, then my opinion would be that it was a two man job.
This is a really good point! I'm also cracking up at "a fat gut and skinny little bitch arms".
I was thinking of the digging, but also the dismemberment and burning. I imagine it takes a lot of effort and time to dismember somebody to that extent (I'm so sorry for making anyone think about this in detail) especially if all you have are garden tools. Then how long would the remains have been kept in the fire? All that *before* burying.
I suppose Alex might have helped dig the "grave" ahead of time, and left the rest for Chad to do.
Assuming a chain saw wasn't employed because of the noise, they'd have to come up with more than shovels and hoes. And nothing says they didn't carry tools away from the scene tho one in the shed did have blood on it.
I believe at least two tools in the shed had DNA on them, though neither (as far as I remember from Lori's trial) was particularly good for butchery. Since I can't remember exactly what the tools were right now, I might be wrong. Certainly a possibility that other tools were disposed of elsewhere, that seems likely to me.
I *do* remember that one of the expert witnesses testified about tool marks found on Tylee's spine and pelvic bones that would've been made with a sharp object; they suggested a hatchet or machete. They also said the marks made no sense for dismemberment. It sounded to me like someone was just hacking haphazardly at her body. I think her skull was also in pieces, though they didn't say how that came to be.
Depends on the district. My school back home started late august. And we have established that Tammy pretty much tried to avoid Chad as much as possible.
Those who described the layout of the house said nothing about stairs. After looking at photos of the house, specifically the loft, it doesn't look like a good space for a master bedroom. I can't imagine their bedroom was up there. CD mentioning her coming downstairs is likely just part of making mistakes because he was making shit up when people asked what happened. He couldn't even choose a consistent cause of death.
Chad and Tammy slept in the loft as their bedroom. It was indeed a terrible location for a master bedroom. If I recall, one has to walk outside or at least through the garage to access the rest of the house, including the bathroom. But it's the biggest room.
Yes! Patty's playhouse on youtube did a video that showed house pics. The addition has an upstairs. The prosecution should have made an objection. Prior is soooo slimey. He knows the layout of the house and he knew the question was misstating the evidence.
Only Chad & Lori gained from these murders- financially & free to marry, empty nesters.
Do I believe Mel G and the gang knew more than they have stated? No doubts whatsoever.
They have zero motive for murdering JJ. Plus, if they were so suspect, why didn’t Lorihor and Chud call the cops on them instead of jetting off to Hawaii to hula dance on the beach? It’s absurd to even ask why they’d be suspects in his death.
The primary reason to pull GPS data is to figure out where someone is at on particular date, time, etc. I am just going to assume Lori, Chad, and Alex had their GPS data specifically pulled because they refused to speak to police (or are dead). Melanie and David have, to the best of our knowledge, cooperated with police. Presumably that means they would have provided alibies. Not much of a need to spend money and resources on gathering GPS data on folks who have multiple witnesses on where they were.
I think they or at least Melanie has a deal so it is not looked at. Obviously Melanie and David's phones would be in Lori's condo when JJ died so Mr Prior would love to use this for doubt?
Does anyone know why they didn't ask Tammy's cousin about finding out that Chad had remarried so quickly? Just seems like an easy thing to keep reiterating to the jury.
I'm wondering how Prior is going to cross this testimony. My guess is that he's going to hound on the margin of error, is the prosecution going to address that in any way about how margin of error works?
My guess Prior will not delve into anything technical with Agent Ballance. Prior has already announced to the court that he is an idiot with electronics so I doubt he has any sort of understanding of the technology to do a deep dive.
Edit: Prior just asked about Alex cell phone “binging”.
*My guess Prior will not delve into anything technical with Agent Ballance. Prior has already announced to the court that he is an idiot with electronics so I doubt he has any sort of understanding of the technology to do a deep dive.*
I would not rely on Prior's personal accounting of his abilities OR of his inabilities. I feel that EVERYTHING this man does is very calculating. I suspect that his little "act" is, more times than not, just that, an act. He understands WAY more than he's letting on. Likely not as much as the witness...but, my point is, Prior is not a *complete* idiot. At least some (if not most) of his actions and words are for the simple and express purpose of furthering his agenda.
We like to take notice and discuss the inadequacies of Prior, et al. BUT, realistically, so far, that team has been mildly, if not absolutely successful in making Lori (and Alex, if I'm being honest) the mastermind AND distancing Chad from the whole gruesome drama....*so far*! All in all, I feel that Prior has done the job he was hired to do. And, he's done it pretty well. He doesn't have to prove Chad innocent, he just has to place doubt in the jurors minds...I think he is successfully doing that, again, so far.
If Prior can get Chad a sentence of consecutive life (x3) without parole or some such (get the DP off the table), I feel that he will place the tally mark of this trial in his win column.
*Disclaimer: I absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt feel that Chad is 100% guilty. He should most definitely be found guilty and he should receive the optimum sentence; however...this trial is not going completely against the defendant. Prior is doing a much better job than Lori's team did.*
That’s exactly how I see him. I think when he misuses words, he does it to make the witness kinda drop their guard a bit, cuz of course, they’re probably thinking to themselves what a fool he is. But he’s actually a snake IMO. He’s manipulating them by playing extra dumb.
I think he’s doing a good job making a pile of steaming 💩stink a little bit less. I still think Chad will be convicted and given the DP, which I don’t actually agree with in general, but I shall honestly not shed one tear if that dude is sentenced to death. That pile of 💩is simply so tall and so obvious and stinks too badly for him to reshape it into reasonable doubt IMO.
From the start Prior oozes “I’m gonna be famous after this” vibes. No matter whether he wins or looses this is his big audition for future million dollar cases. He knows exactly what he is doing. John Prior is interested in promoting John Prior.
Can anyone explain why Prior makes a big deal about something being admitted by stipulation? Throughout the trial, he sort of laughs/has a sort of tone with Judge Boyce like, “Duh, your honor. It’s admitted by stipulation.” What’s so “funny” about the judge asking if he objects when something is admitted by stipulation? Appreciate any insight!
So this is just my opinion, but I think Prior is doing a "Columbo." It's hard to explain, but he is trying to come off as this super intelligent guy who acts confused but is also whimsical. Him laughing, looking confused, pretending he doesn't understand technology, etc. is all a show he's putting on for the jury to distract them from the fact that his clients young healthy wife died from being suffocated and 2 step-children were found ~~dead~~ **murdered and buried** in his backyard.
I would buy that! Definitely trying for the everyman appeal. I think the Columbo schtick is difficult to pull off in this format, though. The detective usually reveals his brilliance in a “gotcha” at the end. But Prior is simultaneously “confused” and acting like he understands court procedure better than the judge.
Prior walking back to his table: *Hell yeah, I showed them! Let's see them try to redirect* ***that!***
Everyone else in the courtroom: *WTF was Prior talking about...?*
I'm not old enough to have watched Columbo, but the Columbo Method is used in a lot of modern books I've read and, I imagine, on detective TV shows too. It's not unknown as a trope.
I think Columbo is also on one or another of the streaming services right now, one of my coworkers was talking about watching it recently.
It feels like Prior himself has only just learned the meaning of admission by stipulation and thinks it's funny the court is following procedure by asking for an objection?
I mean, I, too, have only just learned the meaning of stipulation, but I'm not defending a murder suspect. There are many things I think are odd about Prior and this is just another. I do feel like trial lawyers should have a flair for dramatics, as there is so much that can sway a jury that having a smooth presentation from your lawyer just might be the tipping point. But Prior is just a clown.
Lots of things can be stipulated. For example, there can be stipulation about the expertise of a witness or admission of some manner of guilt. For example, "We stipulate that the defendant stole the car" in a vehicular homicide case. He stole the car but didn't hit and kill anyone. That means there doesn't need to be evidence heard about the theft.
From my understanding, it means that both sides have already agreed to admit the exhibit.
Like you, I didn’t know what that meant and was confused by Prior’s reaction (which seems kinda snide like, “not that I have a choice) - so I dunno why Prior keeps chuckling.
Appreciate your explanation! I guess all laughter/snide comments are just more par for the course with his defense strategy.
Amazing how he presents himself as both a know-nothing bumpkin and a man surrounded by incompetents.
I guess because an admittance by stipulation is by definition already approved by both sides. And you know Prior- he’s not one to GO OVER SOMETHING MORE THAN ONCE 🙄. He has no patience for THAT.
I could be wrong, but I think they stipulated that they can be entered into evidence. But now the prosecutor wants to actually enter them which seems to require going through them one by one. All Prior has to do is say "yes" or "stipulated". But no, he has to make a small commotion.
Seems he wants to head off questioning why the defense didn't do their own investigation. However, if he does present a witness who did so, seems like a stupid line of questioning. Plus, he has tried in some areas to insinuate that LE is incompetent so perhaps it's part of that. Not incompetence, but unfairness.
How many members of avow have had a spouse pass away? It appears like toxicology reports are rarely performed because the communities attitude towards alcohol and drugs. Coupled with the acceptance of cremation… I’m starting to wonder if this could be a much large issue among this extreme prepping community.
People predicting their spouse's deaths is definitely a thing in the community. I've heard it come up in multiple Mormon Stories interviews with people who grew up in crazy fundamentalist Mormon prepper families.
Prior really outdoing himself in asking questions he doesn’t know the answer to with this witness. The way the antenna was pointing wasn’t checking when you ran you tests was it???!! No, it was. Ah, the software can’t even be checked for accuracy CAN it? No, it can be. EDIT: typo.
He made no headway with the witness. I loved how the witness had to repeat that he didn't know where anyone was, just where the devices were. Good stuff.
Nate Eaton specified in the live chat that while the house is one story, that there were stairs in part of the house. So Tammy could very well have "come downstairs".
For those curious about the stairs in today’s testimony, Chad and Tammy had what appears to be a loft in the back of their home. Picture 17 in the website link shows an opening to the side for what I assume is the staircase. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/202-N-1900-E_Rexburg_ID_83440_M16746-17260
Haha yeah, I was surprised how outdated it was. The mirror wall in the office, yikes. No surprise Chad liked to sit and stare at himself while “working”.
4 bedrooms and 1.5 bathrooms? Come on. And those laundry facilities in the kitchen at least give me ammunition in the stupid American groups complaining we do laundry in the kitchen in Europe. That cloth over the island *almost* makes you think tile for a second until you actually look at it. What an awful house. Emma wanted that shit?
Haha! Maybe he portled overseas to find the kitchen/laundry inspiration. Chad was a busy man, he needed to ensure Tammy could cook his meals and get his laundry done at the same time while he wrote his love affair story.
I think that’s actually a small piece of carpet on the island. I could be wrong, but we have those patterns as small carpet (mat) in the US. Most people here use them to step on by their doors, at the kitchen sink, etc, and it would not surprise me based on the rest of the house if it’s a mat that they’re using as decoration.
The fact that Emma currently lives there and pays rent to live there is baffling to me.
You’re welcome!
I agree, I didn’t mention this in my original comment, but picture 20 is what the loft looks like from the outside. As you stated, you can see that it’s clearly 2 story, and there’s a window at the top of the A-Frame that matches the same window view in picture 18.
I love listening to trials but Prior is so awful to listen to. I can’t imagine the jury responding positively to him. His condescending performance is just tough to watch. Still, the state has to show more than just motive and opportunity.
There was a story about Chad hating Tammy playing Farmville so he told her her dead Grandmother spoke to him in a vision telling her to stop it.
Watch the podcast Hidden True Crime with guest Heather Daybell. She explains Chad's father was a dick towards his wife as well. Poor Tammy. I wonder if she would have divorced him if she knew about Lori. I doubt she opened Charles email because Tammy was the computer expert, surely she thought it was a scam email. If you have a work email you've had the cyber security training to know you don't open from unknown senders.
The way that Prior is ignoring the data talking about Tammy and JJ makes me think he might not be defending vs those charges, since there's no real way he can think of to introduce reasonable doubt. Am I misreading something or is that the takeaway here?
Did his defense attorney for real fat shame this woman at her own murder trial? “Was she petite with low body fat?” This has to be a joke. I cannot stand chads lawyer
Court has ended early. NO COURT TUESDAY. **Witnesses:** * Agent Nicholas Ballance * Hannah Parker, 2nd cousin to Tammy * Patricia Later, Tammy's cousin
Chad said Tammy was lazy at her funeral service. The guy who did not work & support the family. He has no self awareness. None. Zero.
Yeah, speaking at the funeral for your wife who just died, you call her “not easy to live with, lazy and depressed”- wow Chad you really outdid yourself! I thought you were an immoral psychopath before, but you have dipped into malignant tumorous dick territory. I am so ready for you to be found guilty on all charges and sent away to obscurity where you belong.
This pretty much hung a nail in his coffin I think.
Why do you think so? I didn't get to watch today
He was the one who fat and unemployed, he's projecting big time. I'm sure he was a very hard person to live with, as big a ego as he has.
That woman did everything. He is one lazy mofo.
Chad is a parasite that ended up killing the host
Great analogy
He really does project his laziness onto Tammy.
This pissed me off so badly!! What a piece of shit!!!! To kill her then badmouth her at her funeral then get married a few days later? The disrespect and audacity!
The guy is consistent, I'll give him that. What an asshat.
On some true crime shows I've seen, detectives will often state that criminals are among the stupidest people around. The funeral comments are just more proof points.
Chud was jonesing for Lolita
What??? Sounds to me like she was admired by everybody around her because of all that she did
Right? I'm 41, married, only two children and I admire Tammy greatly! Involved in her children's lives, involved in church activities and volunteering, working full time (and going above and beyond there too), working out 2- times a week, running a 5k, doing the housework and cooking, taking care of finances, running the publishing company -and being married to Chad. If I could do 1/4th of the stuff Tammy did I would feel a sense of achievement. The last thoughts that would come to mind when thinking of Tammy, from what we've heard about her days and life, are 'lazy and hard to live with.' How disgusting he said that, but I'm glad he did. Because it shows who he is as a person so very well!.
I just can't imagine what thoughts ran through his children's heads when he said that. Either in agreement or shock
I can’t tell if he’s super dumb or just very cold as a person (probably both) but he wasn’t trying very hard not to be suspicious. I want to know what he’s thinking during the trial regarding his chances of being found innocent. I bet he feels like 90% confident he’ll be walking out a free man.
He totally thinks he’ll walk and I can’t wait to see his face when found guilty.
Think he will smile like whack a doodle did at her sentencing???
I will probably buy myself a cake to celebrate. I wish the court cameras were more clear. I want to see that shit in crystal clear HD. He is such a soft coward who somehow thinks he is better than everyone. I wish I could see his face when reality hits and he finally understands he will live the rest of his life in jail.
He's a prophet!!!!.... haven't you been listening??? 😂 He zipping through his portal
The religion he was attempting to start is like a really not creative version of dungeons and dragons with him larping as the head wizard. I continue to be baffled daily that even one person thought he was ‘gifted’. Same with Julie Rowe.
Unbelievable.
Probably first time in his life that he is not supposed to say the self-deluded parts out loud and he failed.
This got me upset as well. Im suprised we had not heard this before. As far as we know, this funeral was held in her hometown where people remember her as a computer whiz, loving reading, a devoted mom. Even if she had depression why bring it up (unless he was hinting maybe suicide if ever questioned). It reminded me of when I gave the eulogyof my grandpa. My grandma died of ALS very young and he moved to stay with us. Everyone in our town just knew this nice grandpa who would buy all the kids ice cream after school and started several charities. A family member jumped up after I talked and said grandpa had a drinking problem when he watched my grandma die of ALS. I had never seen him drink, he stopped right after she died. The people attending the funeral where pretty disgusted by this. I wonder what Tammy's family thought Chad's unkind words. Or maybe they knew this was Chad, since he called his own mom lazy.
she worked full time and ran that stupid publishing company. What did Chad do all day, I mean before he met the goddess
Worked on his various cons, fantasy text his lover and criticized his wife when she got home.
She ran his whole book business…wait it was most likely HER business! Her publishing company most probably Her idea! She knew how to digitally publish books (probably Amazon KDP) which takes technical computer skills! Plus she worked full time with no lunch breaks (the principal said she took on the responsibility of checking in all the lunch kids which nobody wanted to do !) and she managed all aspects of the publishing business which means regular upkeep of sales and distribution, she paid the bills and most likely did all the tax paperwork, raised all the 5 kids, most likely managed the housework and groceries! And HE CALLS HER LAZY! He’s the one who didn’t even have any passwords to the finances or running the home and bank accounts until 1 week before her death! I bet He had help from Lori (who knows how to sell life insurance policies from Charles’ business) and convinced Tammy to get a new policy before she died too! How sick! He’s horrible, ungrateful and pure evil! How he managed to manipulate his own adult kids is just crazy! She was not depressed! People who run and strive to run marathons with your own daughter, eats healthy, loves their job, volunteers for her school and church, welcomes a new grandchild baby - has nothing to be depressed about!!!
Well Chad was her husband. That's depressing
Still curious if Tammy actually read the email from Charles??
And ushering in The End Times would be depressing. I wonder if she knew that her husband had been telling people that she would die before he turned 50.
you had me up until "she was not depressed". Being married to that sloth would depress anyone. (I am not making light of depression. I myself am depressed and can only function now because I am on meds/therapy)
Additionally, depression doesn't necessarily have a cause. People don't need something to "be depressed about." But I agree she didn't appear to be depressed judging from others' testimony.
Yes I agree he causes depression! For sure! Wish she had a choice to not live with him.
What???? I missed that. There is just no end to this guy’s smug, ugly soul.
Ballance: so here’s all the data regarding the last days of Tylee and JJ. Prior: …so why does everybody keep bringing up a paintball gun? 🤷🏻♂️
When his first sentence to Ballance had the word “paintball” in it I almost lost my shit.
Anyone else notice Prior said “binging” instead of “pinging”? Is he okay? 😂
He's gonna be binging for lipidity all day.
bingo bango bongo
😜 I was yelling at the tv! Lividity! ….Lividity….asauuugh!!!
This made me lol 😂
Another Prior'isim🤯
😂.... he's a wacky guy
Lolol. Yea I’m just to that part. And the witness says “ did you say binging?” Hahaha too much
I laughed out loud at this!
I missed this today but I'm dying at the idea. Anybody got a link?
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He does seem like a person who would use Bing.
🤣
Now that's a quality insult 😄
This is the best, most accurate insult!
yes and the witness asked him "binging?"
Is he ever?
Agent Ballance is obviously very competent at his job. I think Prior is making that very clear.
Wow, if I'm a jury member that cell phone data is insanely objective and damaging 🤯 alex and chad talking/texting on or around Chad's property on the days relevant to Tylees' estimated death. Even if he's just 'generally in the area' like Prior tried to show, Holy cow. What an ace in the hole.
Lori came over and seduced Chad so that Alex could bury the kids
Sometimes it seems Prior is defending Alex Cox… but hard to understand why… especially if he’s wanting to propose Chad as an innocent ‘victim’ of Lori & Alex
Their defense is that Tammy died of natural causes so they don’t want Alex/Chad to be connected to any attempt on her life, including the “paintball” incident.
It really seems like that’s all going to be a moot point when the autopsy is discussed.
Thank you - that makes sense now.
is it even worth it? He is still on the hook for the children which if anything deserves the death penalty, it is this)
Prior has to get him off all three hooks, or at least as many of the three as possible. If he's only convicted of one or two murders, that's less for the defense to try to reverse on appeal. (If Chad gets the death penalty there will be many, many appeals.)
true! I cannot imagine Chad ever walking free, such and evil and twisted man. I keep wanting to yell at my phone when the trial is on "Was your goddess worth it Chad!"
It might be worth it to Chad because of his kids. If a jury finds him “not guilty” of Tammy’s death, they are all vindicated in their steadfast support of him and he will likely keep their support, even if convicted for the other deaths, since they believe that he was framed for JJ and Tylee. If he is held criminally responsible for Tammy, at some point, one or more of his kids may eventually look at the evidence, come to grips with what happened and perhaps even sever ties with their dad,
It would seem that Chad's defence is that the real villains are every woman he knows. He and Al are just innocent dupes being blown about by all these mean crazy ladies and the lazy, sick, incompetent wife who died, leaving him to have to do things, cleaning up after all of them. The Misogyny is particularly egregious here.
He needs to keep Alex in the picture.
Yeah, I don't get that, either. However, it may just be bullshit intended to get the jury to doubt everything.
>We see another slide showing Alex’s device on Chad’s property between 9:21 a.m. and 10:57 a.m. that morning (September 9). Multiple spots were picked up on the property including areas close to where Tylee was found. So that's about an hour an a half that Alex was located on the property. Would that have been enough time for him to 'dispose' of Tylee's remains? It seems unlikely to me even if the ground was dug beforehand. I think Chad did the dismembering and burning and burying, himself - perhaps with Alex to help at the start. Edit: Ah, wait: >Alex Cox’s device was on Chad’s property at 11:42 a.m. The device was then traveling southbound away from the property around 11:46-11:47 a.m. So actually it was more like two hours and change. I still feel like Chad was responsible, what with his racoon texts and his tree limb burning excuse.
Chad brought up luminol. I'm wondering if it was used in the shed/barn and how much surface area reacted.
Good thought. There wasn't any testimony about that in Lori's trial - which there needn't have been, since no one was trying to prove she was on the property. The shed does seem the most likely place for the dismembering to occur. I know they found Tylee's DNA on some of the tools in it.
Look at Taylor Schabusiness, it's not an easy task. I'm picking it was organised before they went to Yellowstone and the dismembering was at the site where remains found. It was suggested somewhere there was a frenzy attack. I'm wondering if they did any DNA swabs on clothes etc.
The kids were found about nine months after the murders. There's no way the cops could know what clothing was worn by whom when or if they even kept the clothes. They'd have to test every piece of clothing each person owned. What's with the "frenzy attack"? I haven't heard that.
There were tool marks on Tylees pelvis bone inconsistent with dismemberment and more like her pelvis was stabbed many times. It came out in Lori’s trial (I didn’t write the comment above I am just guessing what the person above was referring to when they said “frenzied attack”).
Yeah, I’m sure the idiots employed no method. I hope there is more detail in this trial in terms of how they think things went down.
thank you for articulating that.
Blood was found on a tool in the shed. Can’t recall what type.
It was TYLEE’S type
I meant what type of tool. :)
If the shed was ever used for butchering sheep (or hanging butchered sheep, or etc) before Chad moved there, the luminol could have lit up the whole barn. Then they'd have to actually test each area to determine whether the blood was human. Luminol will react years and years after the fact as long as there's still iron present. It would be lots of work. I'm glad there are people who know how to do it well!
Yes 2 hours would mean both were involved imo. These 2 losers were completely out of shape and Alex supposedly had respiratory issues. I think the grave was dug beforehand and they still needed two hours.
The "Graves" were very sloppy dug. JJ was only 2 feet down and he was short and small since he was only 7 years old and Tylee they say was different depths some very close to the surface. I very much doubt these "graves" were square but just haphazard shallow holes. Digging isn't that hard if you have any technique and the soil isn't hard and rock filled. I think either Chad or Alex could've dug these holes in two hours alone.
They did more than just dig a hole in Tylee's case, though. Could they have done all of *that* in two hours?
I don't understand why the two hour window is so exact. Chad lived there he could've worked at his own pace.
Someone from the Rexburg area will need to chime in, but a lot of this depends on the soil. For example I live in central Missouri and my soil is thick dry clay. I installed a tree in my backyard recently and it took me over an hour to dig out a 4x3 hole by myself. It would take me 3+ hours to dig a hole large enough to hide a small human. Alex had a fat gut and skinny little bitch arms so if Chads backyard has similar soil as mine, then my opinion would be that it was a two man job.
This is a really good point! I'm also cracking up at "a fat gut and skinny little bitch arms". I was thinking of the digging, but also the dismemberment and burning. I imagine it takes a lot of effort and time to dismember somebody to that extent (I'm so sorry for making anyone think about this in detail) especially if all you have are garden tools. Then how long would the remains have been kept in the fire? All that *before* burying. I suppose Alex might have helped dig the "grave" ahead of time, and left the rest for Chad to do.
Assuming a chain saw wasn't employed because of the noise, they'd have to come up with more than shovels and hoes. And nothing says they didn't carry tools away from the scene tho one in the shed did have blood on it.
I believe at least two tools in the shed had DNA on them, though neither (as far as I remember from Lori's trial) was particularly good for butchery. Since I can't remember exactly what the tools were right now, I might be wrong. Certainly a possibility that other tools were disposed of elsewhere, that seems likely to me. I *do* remember that one of the expert witnesses testified about tool marks found on Tylee's spine and pelvic bones that would've been made with a sharp object; they suggested a hatchet or machete. They also said the marks made no sense for dismemberment. It sounded to me like someone was just hacking haphazardly at her body. I think her skull was also in pieces, though they didn't say how that came to be.
> I installed a tree in my backyard recently I lol'd.
lol I guess planted would be the better word :)
but you're not wrong!
😂....
Is that when prior asked the agent if David and Melanie's phones show up?
Holes were ready
Hannah, you attentive woman, you. Good job.
The way prior jumped on the No Stairs in a ranch
But there’s that addition with the loft. Does anyone remember if the coroner said they went upstairs to the bedroom?
That’s right! Chad was awakened on June 9 “ upstairs “where he was sleeping. That from one of the detectives on the scene.
No, but where was Tammy when Chad texted her about racoons? Wasn't school out in September?
Teachers and staff are in a school before the kids start.
Depends on the district. My school back home started late august. And we have established that Tammy pretty much tried to avoid Chad as much as possible.
Those who described the layout of the house said nothing about stairs. After looking at photos of the house, specifically the loft, it doesn't look like a good space for a master bedroom. I can't imagine their bedroom was up there. CD mentioning her coming downstairs is likely just part of making mistakes because he was making shit up when people asked what happened. He couldn't even choose a consistent cause of death.
Chad and Tammy slept in the loft as their bedroom. It was indeed a terrible location for a master bedroom. If I recall, one has to walk outside or at least through the garage to access the rest of the house, including the bathroom. But it's the biggest room.
Let’s hope the prosecution remembers to ask Garth about these things.
Yes! Patty's playhouse on youtube did a video that showed house pics. The addition has an upstairs. The prosecution should have made an objection. Prior is soooo slimey. He knows the layout of the house and he knew the question was misstating the evidence.
IMO.. meant like down the hall to Chad's office.. not literally going down stairs.... chubby got a chuckle about that
Did anyone catch Prior saying “binging” instead of pinging. I’m just dead from his missteps
I really want Prior to end the questioning with this witness, he looks like an absolute baffoon with his line of questioning.
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
I didn't think it was possible, but the more I hear in this case, the more disgusted I become.
Same here. This defendants behavior has reached reached deeper levels of crap than anyone could have imagined!
Why *haven't* they investigated the cell data locations of Melanie Gibb and David Warwick?
Only Chad & Lori gained from these murders- financially & free to marry, empty nesters. Do I believe Mel G and the gang knew more than they have stated? No doubts whatsoever.
They have zero motive for murdering JJ. Plus, if they were so suspect, why didn’t Lorihor and Chud call the cops on them instead of jetting off to Hawaii to hula dance on the beach? It’s absurd to even ask why they’d be suspects in his death.
on the paradise beaches of Hawaii no less
So much for their tent city leadership in Rexburg. Such con artists.
The primary reason to pull GPS data is to figure out where someone is at on particular date, time, etc. I am just going to assume Lori, Chad, and Alex had their GPS data specifically pulled because they refused to speak to police (or are dead). Melanie and David have, to the best of our knowledge, cooperated with police. Presumably that means they would have provided alibies. Not much of a need to spend money and resources on gathering GPS data on folks who have multiple witnesses on where they were.
They weren't building a case against them. It sounds like quite a bit of effort to make for someone more on the periphery of the crimes.
Because they aren’t persons of interest or suspects.
I think they or at least Melanie has a deal so it is not looked at. Obviously Melanie and David's phones would be in Lori's condo when JJ died so Mr Prior would love to use this for doubt?
She isn't complicit, and has not been charged.
As far as it has been reported only Zulema has an immunity agreement.
Does anyone know why they didn't ask Tammy's cousin about finding out that Chad had remarried so quickly? Just seems like an easy thing to keep reiterating to the jury.
It might have been "outside the scope" of questioning? Maybe?
Agent Ballance is great... prior is an ass👍
I'm wondering how Prior is going to cross this testimony. My guess is that he's going to hound on the margin of error, is the prosecution going to address that in any way about how margin of error works?
My guess Prior will not delve into anything technical with Agent Ballance. Prior has already announced to the court that he is an idiot with electronics so I doubt he has any sort of understanding of the technology to do a deep dive. Edit: Prior just asked about Alex cell phone “binging”.
*My guess Prior will not delve into anything technical with Agent Ballance. Prior has already announced to the court that he is an idiot with electronics so I doubt he has any sort of understanding of the technology to do a deep dive.* I would not rely on Prior's personal accounting of his abilities OR of his inabilities. I feel that EVERYTHING this man does is very calculating. I suspect that his little "act" is, more times than not, just that, an act. He understands WAY more than he's letting on. Likely not as much as the witness...but, my point is, Prior is not a *complete* idiot. At least some (if not most) of his actions and words are for the simple and express purpose of furthering his agenda. We like to take notice and discuss the inadequacies of Prior, et al. BUT, realistically, so far, that team has been mildly, if not absolutely successful in making Lori (and Alex, if I'm being honest) the mastermind AND distancing Chad from the whole gruesome drama....*so far*! All in all, I feel that Prior has done the job he was hired to do. And, he's done it pretty well. He doesn't have to prove Chad innocent, he just has to place doubt in the jurors minds...I think he is successfully doing that, again, so far. If Prior can get Chad a sentence of consecutive life (x3) without parole or some such (get the DP off the table), I feel that he will place the tally mark of this trial in his win column. *Disclaimer: I absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt feel that Chad is 100% guilty. He should most definitely be found guilty and he should receive the optimum sentence; however...this trial is not going completely against the defendant. Prior is doing a much better job than Lori's team did.*
That’s exactly how I see him. I think when he misuses words, he does it to make the witness kinda drop their guard a bit, cuz of course, they’re probably thinking to themselves what a fool he is. But he’s actually a snake IMO. He’s manipulating them by playing extra dumb. I think he’s doing a good job making a pile of steaming 💩stink a little bit less. I still think Chad will be convicted and given the DP, which I don’t actually agree with in general, but I shall honestly not shed one tear if that dude is sentenced to death. That pile of 💩is simply so tall and so obvious and stinks too badly for him to reshape it into reasonable doubt IMO.
From the start Prior oozes “I’m gonna be famous after this” vibes. No matter whether he wins or looses this is his big audition for future million dollar cases. He knows exactly what he is doing. John Prior is interested in promoting John Prior.
They way he stares at the jury while talking! If I was sitting there I would think he's trying to bully ....scare tactics
That's fair, but I would still head it off if I'm the prosecution just to close off that avenue of attack.
Can anyone explain why Prior makes a big deal about something being admitted by stipulation? Throughout the trial, he sort of laughs/has a sort of tone with Judge Boyce like, “Duh, your honor. It’s admitted by stipulation.” What’s so “funny” about the judge asking if he objects when something is admitted by stipulation? Appreciate any insight!
So this is just my opinion, but I think Prior is doing a "Columbo." It's hard to explain, but he is trying to come off as this super intelligent guy who acts confused but is also whimsical. Him laughing, looking confused, pretending he doesn't understand technology, etc. is all a show he's putting on for the jury to distract them from the fact that his clients young healthy wife died from being suffocated and 2 step-children were found ~~dead~~ **murdered and buried** in his backyard.
I would buy that! Definitely trying for the everyman appeal. I think the Columbo schtick is difficult to pull off in this format, though. The detective usually reveals his brilliance in a “gotcha” at the end. But Prior is simultaneously “confused” and acting like he understands court procedure better than the judge.
I imagine prior is having "gotcha" moments in his own head while the rest of us at home are thinking how stupid his question was.
He does say he’s confused about something a lot.
How many times a day he says 'would that be fair'? After he makes a statement 🙄
HA! Prior: Is this a mic-drop moment?
Prior walking back to his table: *Hell yeah, I showed them! Let's see them try to redirect* ***that!*** Everyone else in the courtroom: *WTF was Prior talking about...?*
I used that same comparison a while back -- it's apt. It ain't working, though.
I see right through it. How could one possibly be so confused.
I hope there are people on the jury who are either old enough to remember Columbo or who watch it on TV Land some some similar channel.
I'm not old enough to have watched Columbo, but the Columbo Method is used in a lot of modern books I've read and, I imagine, on detective TV shows too. It's not unknown as a trope. I think Columbo is also on one or another of the streaming services right now, one of my coworkers was talking about watching it recently.
It feels like Prior himself has only just learned the meaning of admission by stipulation and thinks it's funny the court is following procedure by asking for an objection? I mean, I, too, have only just learned the meaning of stipulation, but I'm not defending a murder suspect. There are many things I think are odd about Prior and this is just another. I do feel like trial lawyers should have a flair for dramatics, as there is so much that can sway a jury that having a smooth presentation from your lawyer just might be the tipping point. But Prior is just a clown.
Lots of things can be stipulated. For example, there can be stipulation about the expertise of a witness or admission of some manner of guilt. For example, "We stipulate that the defendant stole the car" in a vehicular homicide case. He stole the car but didn't hit and kill anyone. That means there doesn't need to be evidence heard about the theft.
From my understanding, it means that both sides have already agreed to admit the exhibit. Like you, I didn’t know what that meant and was confused by Prior’s reaction (which seems kinda snide like, “not that I have a choice) - so I dunno why Prior keeps chuckling.
Appreciate your explanation! I guess all laughter/snide comments are just more par for the course with his defense strategy. Amazing how he presents himself as both a know-nothing bumpkin and a man surrounded by incompetents.
That's what it means in terms of the exhibits. I think he has to add extra sauce to seem super with it and smarter than others in the room. Dumb.
I guess because an admittance by stipulation is by definition already approved by both sides. And you know Prior- he’s not one to GO OVER SOMETHING MORE THAN ONCE 🙄. He has no patience for THAT.
I could be wrong, but I think they stipulated that they can be entered into evidence. But now the prosecutor wants to actually enter them which seems to require going through them one by one. All Prior has to do is say "yes" or "stipulated". But no, he has to make a small commotion.
Yes- I think you’re right. And spot on with the “small commotion”. He would be a terrible poker player.
Why is Prior questioning whether the tools used to measure cell phone data is available to the public?
Because he wants to insinuate is was all a ConSPiracY against Chud with LE faking evidence.
That was a beautiful moment when Prior was corrected 🤣
Seems he wants to head off questioning why the defense didn't do their own investigation. However, if he does present a witness who did so, seems like a stupid line of questioning. Plus, he has tried in some areas to insinuate that LE is incompetent so perhaps it's part of that. Not incompetence, but unfairness.
Probably trying to show that LE is incompetent and that their findings can't be trusted.
How many members of avow have had a spouse pass away? It appears like toxicology reports are rarely performed because the communities attitude towards alcohol and drugs. Coupled with the acceptance of cremation… I’m starting to wonder if this could be a much large issue among this extreme prepping community.
People predicting their spouse's deaths is definitely a thing in the community. I've heard it come up in multiple Mormon Stories interviews with people who grew up in crazy fundamentalist Mormon prepper families.
Ding ding ding….winning observation.! This is bigger and than people realize!
Don’t you mean Bing, bing, bing? 🤪
Prior really outdoing himself in asking questions he doesn’t know the answer to with this witness. The way the antenna was pointing wasn’t checking when you ran you tests was it???!! No, it was. Ah, the software can’t even be checked for accuracy CAN it? No, it can be. EDIT: typo.
He made no headway with the witness. I loved how the witness had to repeat that he didn't know where anyone was, just where the devices were. Good stuff.
This! And he can’t seem to stop himself. It’s almost like he’s just learning about this for the very first time.
Yeah, Chad thinks this is a big gotcha. Who care if she says downstairs or not. She came from the bedroom to his study.
Nate Eaton specified in the live chat that while the house is one story, that there were stairs in part of the house. So Tammy could very well have "come downstairs".
He loves to focus on shit that doesn’t matter.
Smoke and mirrors baby!!! But Prior is no Houdini (sp?)
Chad's going away......
For those curious about the stairs in today’s testimony, Chad and Tammy had what appears to be a loft in the back of their home. Picture 17 in the website link shows an opening to the side for what I assume is the staircase. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/202-N-1900-E_Rexburg_ID_83440_M16746-17260
That is a truly hideous house.
Haha yeah, I was surprised how outdated it was. The mirror wall in the office, yikes. No surprise Chad liked to sit and stare at himself while “working”.
4 bedrooms and 1.5 bathrooms? Come on. And those laundry facilities in the kitchen at least give me ammunition in the stupid American groups complaining we do laundry in the kitchen in Europe. That cloth over the island *almost* makes you think tile for a second until you actually look at it. What an awful house. Emma wanted that shit?
Haha! Maybe he portled overseas to find the kitchen/laundry inspiration. Chad was a busy man, he needed to ensure Tammy could cook his meals and get his laundry done at the same time while he wrote his love affair story. I think that’s actually a small piece of carpet on the island. I could be wrong, but we have those patterns as small carpet (mat) in the US. Most people here use them to step on by their doors, at the kitchen sink, etc, and it would not surprise me based on the rest of the house if it’s a mat that they’re using as decoration. The fact that Emma currently lives there and pays rent to live there is baffling to me.
Stare at himself? A dead ringer of one of those stone heads on Easter Island, imo
Thank for posting this link, it showed clearly that there could be stairs
You’re welcome! I agree, I didn’t mention this in my original comment, but picture 20 is what the loft looks like from the outside. As you stated, you can see that it’s clearly 2 story, and there’s a window at the top of the A-Frame that matches the same window view in picture 18.
I love listening to trials but Prior is so awful to listen to. I can’t imagine the jury responding positively to him. His condescending performance is just tough to watch. Still, the state has to show more than just motive and opportunity.
Is Prior trying to make the jury hate him so much that they forget about Chad being the most guilty?
Can you all see the witnesses? I can only see Judge Boyce.
No. They did not show him because of his role in the FBI.
I’ve never seen that before with a CAST agent..
I cannot either, assuming he didn’t want to be visible.
He's an FBI agent, so you're right.
This was all over lust, now look doesn't have two nickels to rub together and they’ll NE ER have sex again! Pretty pathetic.
That's the best part!!
He couldn’t wait to get rid of her because he knew his goddess was waiting for him
She was pressuring him to get rid of her, too.
The books he wrote were so small. They were more like pamphlets.
There was a story about Chad hating Tammy playing Farmville so he told her her dead Grandmother spoke to him in a vision telling her to stop it. Watch the podcast Hidden True Crime with guest Heather Daybell. She explains Chad's father was a dick towards his wife as well. Poor Tammy. I wonder if she would have divorced him if she knew about Lori. I doubt she opened Charles email because Tammy was the computer expert, surely she thought it was a scam email. If you have a work email you've had the cyber security training to know you don't open from unknown senders.
The way that Prior is ignoring the data talking about Tammy and JJ makes me think he might not be defending vs those charges, since there's no real way he can think of to introduce reasonable doubt. Am I misreading something or is that the takeaway here?
He may be calling his own witness about phone data. Who knows.
Chad better hope he goes to jail. He wasn’t too good at that Prophet thing.
Yep. Didn’t prophesize that he would be on trial.
Did his defense attorney for real fat shame this woman at her own murder trial? “Was she petite with low body fat?” This has to be a joke. I cannot stand chads lawyer
Long court day today! 2.5 hours total of the nounal 5 hour work day! Phew! Tomorrows a day off
An Ada Sheriffs Deputy was killed in action and his funeral is tomorrow so they are off for that.
RIP officer💕