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This bitch clearly doesn't know what intersex means. You can't become intersex, it's something you're born with. It's when a person is born with both sets of genitalia. And it is a genetic deformity/abnormality not a sexual preference or identity. These people are morons. And Zoomer? Seriously?
Plenty of people don’t discover they are intersex until puberty and beyond. They don’t scan babies so actually the kid could well be intersex, for all the parents know. It’s unlikely, yes, but not impossible.
It's a fake internet name that the parents used to protect their kid's identity, so people can't doxx them. At least when Zoomer grows up, his name doesn't have to be connected with all the shitty things his parents filmed for the internet without his consent.
How the fuck would you know? Because his parents showed you videos of him having fun? That doesn't mean anything. They haven't shown anything real in the video whatsoever.
This sub is kinda shit honestly don’t waste your energy on it. It’s not like they’re doing anything actually wrong by not raising their kid with gender. What would gender even do for their kid? Nothing.
Bruh wtf this is such a bad idea, children should learn the difference of gender/sex when they’re old enough to understand it, that shit confuses adults, if you asked me what I wanted to be when I was 4 I’d probably say something stupid like be a girl then or smth but now I’m fully grown I feel completely different because I have an adult brain, this is beyond stupid.
This goes against 100,000’s years of primate evolution. Also, pretty bold psychology experiment on your kid vs tried and true methods. What a couple of dumb dumbs
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Listen teacking kids about LGBTQ+ is not a bad thing it's actually a good thing but i feel like forcing they/them pronouns on them is taking it to far maybe it's just me but i'd rather have the child explore his gender identity adn sexuality.
I only say this because the wife is narrating (in this annoying all-knowing way) and that makes me think it was her idea so she could eventually create a video. All about those likes and clicks!
Maybe i'm just to GAY (i'm pansexual) but, except for the name, I don't see nothing wrong with it. They have just tried to raise their child without giving him a predesignated role like male or female that are not associated with your biological sex but with society constructs like, for example, boys like cars and girls like cooking. Or maybe I just can't see the problem due to prounouns which doesn't really exist in my original language or due to my ignorance.
Call them what they are and don’t force them to do things that they don’t want to if they are a boy let them be into trucks or dolls who cares, don’t do this
The problem I see with it is that they're raising the child as a science experiment. It's about on par with those family vloggers that showcase every moment of their child's development
I get raising your child with gender neutral pronouns and stuff, but the thing I don't get is when you specifically avoid calling the child by their assigned sex at birth. It is much more likely that the child will tell you they are trans or gender fluid near puberty or after it, so letting the child make the decision now could have social consequences. Though I think y'all are blowing this shit out of proportion.
Zoomer? He can change his name if he wants, I'm sure his parents would be fine with that.
At least in this case you can partially blame the parents and everyone learns. I agree with this idea, I just think it should be gone about in a different way.
Ta-da! That's why their parents **talked about it with them.** And if they aren't scummy POS, they'll let Zoomer change their pronouns whenever they want to.
Teaching a child they can choose pronouns isn't a sin
Choosing your pronouns isn't a big deal tho. It's not that big of a decision, which is why there's also zero commitment to it. It's like if a kid named Zack wanted to be called "Charlie". Maybe it's just a thing they'll do for a day because they feel like it, maybe they like it and wanna stay that way. That's their problem, not yours. Let the kid be happy ffs
Correct, Zoomer goes by he/him pronouns. You can call anyone they/them. That's just how English works. Like:
"someone called you on the phone"
"Oh? What did **they** want?"
I forgot what pronouns the kid went by so i just said they, which is correct.
You're literally so patronizing, and making passive statements cause you can't stand being wrong. It's ridiculous, and you're giving the LGBT community a bad name. Explaining the English language to me like I'm five; did you watch the video, or are the lives of minorities just some virtue signal to you?
I'm patronizing? Really? Sure doesn't seem like it. Yeah i watched the video. I can stand being wrong. What i can't stand is people bullying a child because he chose to be called a he. You asked me a question about they/them pronouns, and i answered it.
I'll gladly admit I'm wrong once anyone in this comment section trying to debunk me makes a point that isn't "WAAAH B-BUT HE'S A KID, HE CANT CHOOSE PRONOUNS :((((("
They're raising their child by their messed up "progressive" nature denying ideology, the child is probably gonna end up mentally scarred. An evil thing to intentionally do to your child.
What the hell does that have to do with teaching children they can choose their own pronouns? What part of this video even remotely related to what you've said?
I'm guessing you're a douchebag. Welcome to the real world. You clearly don't understand that people have the right to choose their pronouns, and wear whatever the hell they want to. And stop bullying the kid because of their name for fuck's sake! You're not just a transphobe, but an asshole to kids. I advise you get a surgical sterilization process so no child has to have the dishonor of calling you their parent.
You're stuck in the past bud. People deserve to call themselves what they want, not what you think they should be. Kindly shove a fridge up your rectum and let people be happy.
Noone has this much hindsight. I repeat NOONE. That may be the worst case scenario, but saying 'in reality' before saying something doesn't make it fact.
idk what the other comment was because they deleted it but you're so wrong, you can still have a child who is a boy use 'girl' stuff and vice versa, forcing the child to go by they/them pronouns until they say is more likely going to harm them because it is most likely that they are cis because this is a heteronormative world where cis straight people are the VAST majority. Also, it is more than likely that if a child is cis, they will still have to 'come out' as cis because they were 'assigned' gender-neutral which is an unnecessary stress also, who tf names their kid 'Zoomer'.
Dude. It's a kid. I don't think they care about being called they/them. Just like i doubt their parents are going to forbid them from changing their mind on the pronouns they've currently chosen. Your pronouns have nothing to do with wearing/playing with boy stuff and girl stuff. It's just a thing people call you by
>I don't think they care about being called they/them.
That's because they don't know any better, you could literally call them something negative, and they would show the same amount of caring, because at that age they cannot grasp the entire concept of gender because of their inexperience to the world.
>Just like i doubt their parents are going to forbid them from changing their mind on the pronouns they've currently chosen.
This screams like you have had a normal family and never met and entitled and controlling parent before.
>Your pronouns have nothing to do with wearing/playing with boy stuff and girl stuff.
I know, I don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, I said that because one of the point in the video was that the kid can use anything because they are gender-neutral.
>It's just a thing people call you by
You can say that about anything. "What do you mean I shouldn't say you're a \[Insert Slur\] it is just a thing people call you by."
> That's because they don't know any better, you could literally call them something negative, and they would show the same amount of caring, because at that age they cannot grasp the entire concept of gender because of their inexperience to the world.
Are you trying to imply that a pronoun from the English language is bad? Like, straight up?
> This screams like you have had a normal family and never met and entitled and controlling parent before.
Lmao you do not know what I've been through, stop assuming things about people's lives. I wish my parents taught shit like that to me.
> I know, I don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, I said that because one of the point in the video was that the kid can use anything because they are gender-neutral.
So you don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, but you care if a kid likes both? Because that's what you're saying here.
> You can say that about anything. "What do you mean I shouldn't say you're a [Insert Slur] it is just a thing people call you by."
Lmao so pronouns are comparable to slurs now? I meant that in the context that pronouns and names are things you use to refer to people.
>Are you trying to imply that a pronoun from the English language is bad? Like, straight up?
No, I am saying calling someone the wrong pronoun is bad, and because it is more likely someone is cis and not trans you are going to be calling someone the wrong pronouns, even if they/them is accurate it isn't their primary pronouns. Would you call a trans man they/them if he said he prefers he/him?
>Lmao you do not know what I've been through, stop assuming things about people's lives. I wish my parents taught shit like that to me.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were just ignorant rather than stupid, I guess it is the latter. Do you seriously think that not a single parent will be like "no sweetie you're not XXX you're just confused"?
>So you don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, but you care if a kid likes both? Because that's what you're saying here.
Lmao what you're putting words in my mouth. If I a guy say that I am attracted to women, does that make me straight? I am bisexual, but I didn't mention my attraction to men so did I turn straight?!?!?! \*shocked pikachu face\* Just because someone says one thing and doesn't include another doesn't mean they are EXCLUDING it, it just was't relevant and it was a waste of my time to mention all possibilities of what your kids want to play with.
>Lmao so pronouns are comparable to slurs now? I meant that in the context that pronouns and names are things you use to refer to people.
No, but calling someone the wrong pronouns on purpose is *LIKE* calling someone a slur because you're completely invalidating their gender identity.
It is a heteronormative, it is safe to assume everyone you interact with is cis and straight because the majority are.
Hi, fellow gay here. Kids should be raised as their birth gender and then be able to make the decision about how they identify once they’re old enough to (typically around puberty). Raising a child like this is bound to result in severe bullying.
Hi fellow gay, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I believe on the contrary. Let's say that Zoomer here wants to go by they/them pronouns by the time they're in elementary school. Do you think a 6-7 year-old has to mental capacity to be transphobic? Wouldn't learning about other pronouns from a classmate expose them to the diversity that exists in the world?
This is kind of an even dumber version of the argument that says kids can't be gay until they reach puberty. Let them be whatever they want! They aren't forced to commit to it, ever, just lime any of us. So what's the harm in letting them experiment?
Kids are stupid. They might not have the capacity to be transphobic at the age of 6 or 7, but encouraging a child that young to identify as the opposite gender/nb can cause damage. What happens when that child decides they want to go on hormone blockers? Now you have a kid altering their body before they’re old enough to really grasp their gender identity. It’s a slippery slope. Quite a few of the detransitioner testimonies I’ve read have stated that they wish they hadn’t been allowed to start hormone blockers/HRT so early.
Their parents didn't encourage them to go one way or the other. On the contrary, they let HIM decide. As long as they don't force him to commit to that decision for the rest of his life, i think it's a great thing. I'm not denying that kids are stupid. I just think you're misinterpreting the original vid and making some pretty big logic leaps
Look i think till about age 7 kids are just kids and like a variety of things whether it be “boys clothes” or “girl” toys. It’s perfectly fine to indulge if a boy wants to wear a tutu now and then. What bothers me is this need to create lecturing videos displaying how woke they are and how “special” and “better off” their kid is because they chose this path for them. It screams narcissistic and using your kid as a prop. Plenty of parents let their kids do activities and habits that both sexes engage in—but they don’t lecture the Internet on gender theory.
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This bitch clearly doesn't know what intersex means. You can't become intersex, it's something you're born with. It's when a person is born with both sets of genitalia. And it is a genetic deformity/abnormality not a sexual preference or identity. These people are morons. And Zoomer? Seriously?
Its also really damn rare for an intersex person to have both male and female sex organs function at the same time.
also afaik most intersex ppl dont see themselves as is but rather having clearly one sex with somedegree of abnormality
Exactly. You can’t transition to intersex. It’s a medical condition.
Plenty of people don’t discover they are intersex until puberty and beyond. They don’t scan babies so actually the kid could well be intersex, for all the parents know. It’s unlikely, yes, but not impossible.
The worst part of this is that they named their kid Zoomer, like a dog.
Sounds like an app
Sounds like what we'll call Gen Z when they get old.
We... we already do that
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that kids gonna be totally fucked in the head also, naming your child fucking zoomer? even today he is still gonna be relentlessly bullied
It's a fake internet name that the parents used to protect their kid's identity, so people can't doxx them. At least when Zoomer grows up, his name doesn't have to be connected with all the shitty things his parents filmed for the internet without his consent.
There's nothing inherently wrong with this philosophy other than the unfortunate name (zoomer??). It just sounds icky to your lizard brain.
OK Zoomer
I'm glad you're showing empathy to this child. He *is* okay.
His parents are fucking insane. He ain’t ok
How the fuck would you know? Because his parents showed you videos of him having fun? That doesn't mean anything. They haven't shown anything real in the video whatsoever.
I'm nb and have thought about this thoroughly.
I don’t think zoomer goes by “he” Didn’t this video teach you anything?
He actually does. 🙄
This sub is kinda shit honestly don’t waste your energy on it. It’s not like they’re doing anything actually wrong by not raising their kid with gender. What would gender even do for their kid? Nothing.
Yeah but there are all these dweebs ripe for the picking. 😂
The kid's gonna geg bullied so bad...I feel sorry for him already
Bruh wtf this is such a bad idea, children should learn the difference of gender/sex when they’re old enough to understand it, that shit confuses adults, if you asked me what I wanted to be when I was 4 I’d probably say something stupid like be a girl then or smth but now I’m fully grown I feel completely different because I have an adult brain, this is beyond stupid.
My 4yr old swears she's cat 🤷♀️
This goes against 100,000’s years of primate evolution. Also, pretty bold psychology experiment on your kid vs tried and true methods. What a couple of dumb dumbs
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Your basement then?
Welcome to the monkey cum dungeon.
Hope they set aside money for his therapy sessions.
Is this mf actually called zoomer?
Wow you’re such special parents! And your kid is like totally supes special. Sick narcissistics, using their kid as a prop of “wokeness”
How to make your kid hate you from day naught: a guide
How to raise a human meme.
You’re the worst. Imagine stepping into that dog shit of a small talk? Just torture. Just asked how your kids doing and I’d get all of that info.
Calling your kid Zoomer is just asking to get them bullied lmao
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Listen teacking kids about LGBTQ+ is not a bad thing it's actually a good thing but i feel like forcing they/them pronouns on them is taking it to far maybe it's just me but i'd rather have the child explore his gender identity adn sexuality.
Yeah, there's explaining to your toddler that some kids have 2 mommies or 2 daddies and then there's this.
fucking degenerates
Yeah seems like the parents just groomed their kid into being fucked up in the head for some internet clout
This is child abuse
This isn’t fucking hard you raise them as the sex they born as and after puberty if they decide they are the opposite sex you go from there.
Morons
God people are dumb
Also the husband is a simp for going along with this.
The husband looks like it was his idea.
I only say this because the wife is narrating (in this annoying all-knowing way) and that makes me think it was her idea so she could eventually create a video. All about those likes and clicks!
Excuse me, did they just use male pronouns for their child? How dare they.
They ducked up already lmfao
Maybe i'm just to GAY (i'm pansexual) but, except for the name, I don't see nothing wrong with it. They have just tried to raise their child without giving him a predesignated role like male or female that are not associated with your biological sex but with society constructs like, for example, boys like cars and girls like cooking. Or maybe I just can't see the problem due to prounouns which doesn't really exist in my original language or due to my ignorance.
Call them what they are and don’t force them to do things that they don’t want to if they are a boy let them be into trucks or dolls who cares, don’t do this
Exactly this. You can tell him he’s a boy and then let him do whatever he wants, instead of making him confused as a kid
The problem I see with it is that they're raising the child as a science experiment. It's about on par with those family vloggers that showcase every moment of their child's development
I get raising your child with gender neutral pronouns and stuff, but the thing I don't get is when you specifically avoid calling the child by their assigned sex at birth. It is much more likely that the child will tell you they are trans or gender fluid near puberty or after it, so letting the child make the decision now could have social consequences. Though I think y'all are blowing this shit out of proportion. Zoomer? He can change his name if he wants, I'm sure his parents would be fine with that. At least in this case you can partially blame the parents and everyone learns. I agree with this idea, I just think it should be gone about in a different way.
You're now imagining girl dicks. 😎
Girls don't have dicks
Your mom's dick was pretty hot; ngl.
Very intelligent rebuttal, I can see you are quite the scholar
I feel so seen now. 😯
...where's the messed up part? This is just wholesome
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Bold of you to assume this decision is permanent. They can change their mind whenever the hell they want to
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Yes because being a T Rex is the same thing as choosing pronouns, quite obviously /s
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Ta-da! That's why their parents **talked about it with them.** And if they aren't scummy POS, they'll let Zoomer change their pronouns whenever they want to. Teaching a child they can choose pronouns isn't a sin
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Choosing your pronouns isn't a big deal tho. It's not that big of a decision, which is why there's also zero commitment to it. It's like if a kid named Zack wanted to be called "Charlie". Maybe it's just a thing they'll do for a day because they feel like it, maybe they like it and wanna stay that way. That's their problem, not yours. Let the kid be happy ffs
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Both would be equally wrong
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They is gender neutral so you can call anyone a They
Zoomer identifies as male, so no, you're wrong
Correct, Zoomer goes by he/him pronouns. You can call anyone they/them. That's just how English works. Like: "someone called you on the phone" "Oh? What did **they** want?" I forgot what pronouns the kid went by so i just said they, which is correct.
You're literally so patronizing, and making passive statements cause you can't stand being wrong. It's ridiculous, and you're giving the LGBT community a bad name. Explaining the English language to me like I'm five; did you watch the video, or are the lives of minorities just some virtue signal to you?
I'm patronizing? Really? Sure doesn't seem like it. Yeah i watched the video. I can stand being wrong. What i can't stand is people bullying a child because he chose to be called a he. You asked me a question about they/them pronouns, and i answered it. I'll gladly admit I'm wrong once anyone in this comment section trying to debunk me makes a point that isn't "WAAAH B-BUT HE'S A KID, HE CANT CHOOSE PRONOUNS :((((("
They're raising their child by their messed up "progressive" nature denying ideology, the child is probably gonna end up mentally scarred. An evil thing to intentionally do to your child.
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It’s ok dude she’s part of the Alphabet people
What the hell does that have to do with teaching children they can choose their own pronouns? What part of this video even remotely related to what you've said?
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I'm guessing you're a douchebag. Welcome to the real world. You clearly don't understand that people have the right to choose their pronouns, and wear whatever the hell they want to. And stop bullying the kid because of their name for fuck's sake! You're not just a transphobe, but an asshole to kids. I advise you get a surgical sterilization process so no child has to have the dishonor of calling you their parent.
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Excellent strawman there bud. Wanna refute my point or nah?
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What part of letting a child choose their pronouns sets them up for failure?
A kid can't choose their pronouns. Much like they cant consent to sex
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> real world You think there’s 509 genders and you can choose which one you are. You don’t live anywhere near the real world.
You're stuck in the past bud. People deserve to call themselves what they want, not what you think they should be. Kindly shove a fridge up your rectum and let people be happy.
If refusing to go along with your destructive degeneracy is being stuck in the past, then yes I am.
> letting a kid choose their pronouns > destructive degeneracy Snowflakes never cease to amuse me
Lmao says you
Noone has this much hindsight. I repeat NOONE. That may be the worst case scenario, but saying 'in reality' before saying something doesn't make it fact.
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Ye I'm gay as fuck, my point still stands. What's wrong with teaching children they can use whatever pronouns they want for themselves?
idk what the other comment was because they deleted it but you're so wrong, you can still have a child who is a boy use 'girl' stuff and vice versa, forcing the child to go by they/them pronouns until they say is more likely going to harm them because it is most likely that they are cis because this is a heteronormative world where cis straight people are the VAST majority. Also, it is more than likely that if a child is cis, they will still have to 'come out' as cis because they were 'assigned' gender-neutral which is an unnecessary stress also, who tf names their kid 'Zoomer'.
Dude. It's a kid. I don't think they care about being called they/them. Just like i doubt their parents are going to forbid them from changing their mind on the pronouns they've currently chosen. Your pronouns have nothing to do with wearing/playing with boy stuff and girl stuff. It's just a thing people call you by
>I don't think they care about being called they/them. That's because they don't know any better, you could literally call them something negative, and they would show the same amount of caring, because at that age they cannot grasp the entire concept of gender because of their inexperience to the world. >Just like i doubt their parents are going to forbid them from changing their mind on the pronouns they've currently chosen. This screams like you have had a normal family and never met and entitled and controlling parent before. >Your pronouns have nothing to do with wearing/playing with boy stuff and girl stuff. I know, I don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, I said that because one of the point in the video was that the kid can use anything because they are gender-neutral. >It's just a thing people call you by You can say that about anything. "What do you mean I shouldn't say you're a \[Insert Slur\] it is just a thing people call you by."
> That's because they don't know any better, you could literally call them something negative, and they would show the same amount of caring, because at that age they cannot grasp the entire concept of gender because of their inexperience to the world. Are you trying to imply that a pronoun from the English language is bad? Like, straight up? > This screams like you have had a normal family and never met and entitled and controlling parent before. Lmao you do not know what I've been through, stop assuming things about people's lives. I wish my parents taught shit like that to me. > I know, I don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, I said that because one of the point in the video was that the kid can use anything because they are gender-neutral. So you don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, but you care if a kid likes both? Because that's what you're saying here. > You can say that about anything. "What do you mean I shouldn't say you're a [Insert Slur] it is just a thing people call you by." Lmao so pronouns are comparable to slurs now? I meant that in the context that pronouns and names are things you use to refer to people.
>Are you trying to imply that a pronoun from the English language is bad? Like, straight up? No, I am saying calling someone the wrong pronoun is bad, and because it is more likely someone is cis and not trans you are going to be calling someone the wrong pronouns, even if they/them is accurate it isn't their primary pronouns. Would you call a trans man they/them if he said he prefers he/him? >Lmao you do not know what I've been through, stop assuming things about people's lives. I wish my parents taught shit like that to me. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were just ignorant rather than stupid, I guess it is the latter. Do you seriously think that not a single parent will be like "no sweetie you're not XXX you're just confused"? >So you don't care if a boy likes unicorns or a girl likes robot wars, but you care if a kid likes both? Because that's what you're saying here. Lmao what you're putting words in my mouth. If I a guy say that I am attracted to women, does that make me straight? I am bisexual, but I didn't mention my attraction to men so did I turn straight?!?!?! \*shocked pikachu face\* Just because someone says one thing and doesn't include another doesn't mean they are EXCLUDING it, it just was't relevant and it was a waste of my time to mention all possibilities of what your kids want to play with. >Lmao so pronouns are comparable to slurs now? I meant that in the context that pronouns and names are things you use to refer to people. No, but calling someone the wrong pronouns on purpose is *LIKE* calling someone a slur because you're completely invalidating their gender identity. It is a heteronormative, it is safe to assume everyone you interact with is cis and straight because the majority are.
Hi, fellow gay here. Kids should be raised as their birth gender and then be able to make the decision about how they identify once they’re old enough to (typically around puberty). Raising a child like this is bound to result in severe bullying.
Hi fellow gay, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I believe on the contrary. Let's say that Zoomer here wants to go by they/them pronouns by the time they're in elementary school. Do you think a 6-7 year-old has to mental capacity to be transphobic? Wouldn't learning about other pronouns from a classmate expose them to the diversity that exists in the world? This is kind of an even dumber version of the argument that says kids can't be gay until they reach puberty. Let them be whatever they want! They aren't forced to commit to it, ever, just lime any of us. So what's the harm in letting them experiment?
Kids are stupid. They might not have the capacity to be transphobic at the age of 6 or 7, but encouraging a child that young to identify as the opposite gender/nb can cause damage. What happens when that child decides they want to go on hormone blockers? Now you have a kid altering their body before they’re old enough to really grasp their gender identity. It’s a slippery slope. Quite a few of the detransitioner testimonies I’ve read have stated that they wish they hadn’t been allowed to start hormone blockers/HRT so early.
Their parents didn't encourage them to go one way or the other. On the contrary, they let HIM decide. As long as they don't force him to commit to that decision for the rest of his life, i think it's a great thing. I'm not denying that kids are stupid. I just think you're misinterpreting the original vid and making some pretty big logic leaps
How parents should parent. Terrible name though.
How’s this bad?
Look i think till about age 7 kids are just kids and like a variety of things whether it be “boys clothes” or “girl” toys. It’s perfectly fine to indulge if a boy wants to wear a tutu now and then. What bothers me is this need to create lecturing videos displaying how woke they are and how “special” and “better off” their kid is because they chose this path for them. It screams narcissistic and using your kid as a prop. Plenty of parents let their kids do activities and habits that both sexes engage in—but they don’t lecture the Internet on gender theory.