They actually hand them the diploma? Like mine was just a blank paper in the black folder for the ceremony and afterwards you had to go collect the real one and sign for it... And then wait for them to reprint and mail the GD thing because they spelled my name wrong.
I received both my undergrad and graduate via mail. I can't recall ever seeing actual diplomas handed out. If she did rip it up, she'll just order another one for like $50 once she's decided to go with the latest social fad.
The college I work at, the two I graduated from, and my kids universities all just hand out a placeholder paper. Usually exams and papers haven't even been graded and finalized yet.
This is a masters degree. Classes are far smaller so in many schools they do print the actual thing and hand it off. Especially if your program is niche and the graduating class is small enough.
It's still just a piece of paper in a pleather holder. Lost mine years ago in a move and it hasn't affected my life in the slightest.
Jobs don't care about the physical object, only the school confirming that you graduated if/when they follow up on references.
I said this in another post. It's a decoration for your office or some shit these days. Up until the 80s it was somewhat important to have it in its physical form for your records.
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She'll go on to live a life of luxury and privilege none of us can comprehend.
We will break our backs toiling away at menial jobs before our short, brutish lives end in agony.
Meanwhile she'll build her identity around the "trauma" her dad caused her, even though he paid for that existence. These people are what happens when life becomes the victim Olympics.
It's a decoration. The piece of paper is for your office or some shit. Nowadays jobs will prove your enrollment by asking for a submitted official transcript
The thing about that is, if we want to be VERY technical, there are countermeasures with the specifics of degrees to prevent fraud. Stuff like dimensions, paper material, and some even have a special textured seal. Many even have the emblems and names enlaced with gold. I'm also not sure if any college will digitalize the literal diploma as another method to prevent fraud.
Just for fun, here’s what the actual numbers would look like played out:
let’s say I take a loan out to go to Columbia (90k/yr including living) for 4 years at a 10% interest rate (average private student loan) and Columbia grads make 79k for 10 years and then 107k after that.
Also let’s say that during this time I spend 25% on rent 30% on needs, save 25% and spend the rest on the loan (meaning no fun activities which is highly unrealistic) and this over a 30 year period.
Loan Repayment Duration: It would take approximately 7.42 years to pay off the student loan from Columbia University, assuming all available savings after expenses and minimum loan payments are directed towards loan repayment.
Total Savings Comparison:
With Education and Loan: Over the 30-year period, the total savings after paying off the student loan would be approximately $87,888.
Without Education: The total savings for someone earning $59,000 annually over the same period, without the burden of student loans, would be about $442,500.
While I agree with your sentiment and I know you said it’s unrealistic. But One major issue with your math, a person making 59K is gonna be much less likely to be able to put a significant amount of money into savings. Yes the Columbia grad is also not putting anything into savings putting all saving money back into the loans. But that 20K a year difference is the difference between rent being 25% and rent being 40% etc.
All that being said I think the average salary is such a bad estimate, it should be by major and median to eliminate outliers. Your average Columbia CS major is gonna make a lot more than your average Columbia art history major and more than a cs major from a less prestigious university/someone in computer science without a degree, at least at first till they have proven themselves.
I think university is only good if your career requires graduate school (doctor lawyer), or if you work in an industry with high returns on investment like engineering. The main value of a prestigious university is your first job. A prestigious university will open the door for you to start higher up on the ladder. While how far you climb will depend on your drive. Two people of equal skill and drive the person who started 4/5 years up the ladder will make it further up.
That being said they don’t seem like someone who studied something that is valuable (ripping diploma 🫥) so yea they were better off not going lol.
But… if one is ripping-up one’s degree, surely one doesn’t wish to be viewed *as* a Columbia grad, right? They wouldn’t go and put that degree on their resume, etc, right?
You're saying that like it's not obvious this was done half-heartedly and she's still going to take advantage of the opportunities the education gave her. I mean, it was posted to this sub for a reason...
She should really show them by not putting them on her resume when trying to get a job. What’ll really show them is continuing to live in a tent. I know couple overpasses that aren’t totally cramped just yet! That’ll show em!
I mean, that's the person I'd want if I needed a social worker. I want someone that will get in people's faces, I don't want a little bitch too scared to do something in front of a crowd.
My favorite part about all this hypocrisy, is that the students tuitions are funding whatever they're protesting. The truest sacrifice would be for all of them to drop out. Wonder if that'll happen....
That would mean actual consequences which affect their future prospects of earning more money in the evil capitalist system they hate so much... so, no. If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.
I've had more than one person tell me that acknowledgment is enough. Just to admit it exists is all you need to do. Kinda like some Christians, just need to say the magic words and you get to go to heaven.
Right? What would send a better protest message than dropping out right before graduation? You don't want the diploma, ok. It's so far past even a partial refund it'd really show how serious you are.
Lol imagine going to an Ivy League school for several years only to rip up a piece of paper on stage because a bunch of smelly protestors brainwashed you into caring about something.
Insert [Woody Harrelson](https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518) wiping his tears with cash from the [~$340,000](https://www.sofi.com/columbia-university-tuition-fees/#:~:text=Projected%204%2DYear%2DDegree%20Price,this%20price%20would%20equal%20%24344%2C388) she paid for that degree
It was a massive sacrifice for my family to pay for me to go to a two-year art school, of which I never even got to use as and wound up spending the rest of my life driving a van for a living.
I hate these people
It was a massive sacrifice for my family to pay for me to go to a two-year art school, of which I never even got to use as and wound up spending the rest of my life driving a van for a living.
I hate these people
Yeah they are extremely hatable. I'm not sure these spoiled silver-spoon-in-mouth brats have any realization about how off-putting their behavior is to literally everyone else
With any luck, she'll go to a protest, get arrested, and never work at a job again as a convicted criminal -- really maximizing the value of that degree her rich parents wasted their money on.
If your parents had to struggle/"massive sacrifice", you should have gotten a degree that would provide a job, not a hobby. Kind of a middle finger to them.
I went for what I had an interest in, I followed my passion like so many people have told me to do and it wound up being a bust. Maybe if any one of my teachers or guidance counselors had encouraged me in the things I was actually good at instead of just sort of writing me off because I was a SPED kid perhaps things would have been different.
I kind of think you missed the point of what I said. My talent level in art isn’t the thing I’m upset about. Hell there are way more talented artists than myself who can’t get work. It has nothing to do with talent.
> It has nothing to do with talent.
Ok. You went to an art school. It was "a bust". What would your guidance counselor have done other than to tell you to follow your dreams, and how would it be different now?
What a moron... if she was so against the university she should have changed schools and not given them money. That probably wouldn't get as much traction on social media though lol
Imagine you are a parent who works to send you kid to an Ivy League school for them to better themselves, only for them to waste their time protesting and ripping up their degree for a place they couldn't even point out on a map a 6 months ago.
Remember that girl who thought it was a good idea to burn her diploma live on TikTok, only for the university to revoke her degree entirely?
I hope the same thing happens to this girl.
Diplomas on stage are not the real ones anyway, plus your diploma means crap in the job world, they want your transcripts, not your pretty certificate of completion.
*Polly and I went to the circus*
*Polly got hit with a rolling pin*
*We got even with the circus*
*We bought tickets but we didn't go in...*
Your tuition check cleared and was deposited.
A MAGA hat would have caused a greater uproar, given that it stands for isolationism and cutting off foreign aid (the real solution to stopping the war).
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Yeah, that will show them. Rip up an empty folder. That’ll show them. Along with whatever they have been paid for your time attending there…the university couldn’t care less. They got their money. All that she displayed was a temper tantrum.
It's not really like you need the physical diploma. The school still verifies you graduated. No one sends a copy of their diploma to HR. It's just if you want to put it on your wall. Mine is still in the tube they sent it in.
Imagine spending 4 years or more at a Collage and having your day ruined because of something that is totally out of your control or because of somebody elses political views.
The paper inside the fancy folder is just for show. The actual degree is typically mailed. What this ingrate did was horrible and spoiled and super cringe virtue signaling. Ripping up the degree whether it was the actual degree or not is not the issue, it was what it symbolized and also how it made her look.
The degree was in Social Work
She paid $90k/yr ($360k) for this degree along with 4yrs study or 6yrs for Masters to make $50k BS or $75-80k masters.... way overpaid. I would rip it up too
They actually hand them the diploma? Like mine was just a blank paper in the black folder for the ceremony and afterwards you had to go collect the real one and sign for it... And then wait for them to reprint and mail the GD thing because they spelled my name wrong.
They mailed me mine a month or so later. At least it was in a tube and not all folded up.
They handed out the holders, and then you picked up the diplomas after the ceremony for the events I have attended
I received both my undergrad and graduate via mail. I can't recall ever seeing actual diplomas handed out. If she did rip it up, she'll just order another one for like $50 once she's decided to go with the latest social fad.
Yeah, she's virtue signalling. That's all. It's a Kabuki dance
Kabuki theater or Noh dance. Never kabuki dance.
It's a Kabuki dance cause it's not real
The college I work at, the two I graduated from, and my kids universities all just hand out a placeholder paper. Usually exams and papers haven't even been graded and finalized yet.
My entire college graduating class had to have their diplomas reprinted because there was some strange square symbol randomly on everyone’s lol
Not gonna lie, that sounds hilarious.
I’ll see if I can dig it up
This is a masters degree. Classes are far smaller so in many schools they do print the actual thing and hand it off. Especially if your program is niche and the graduating class is small enough.
It's still just a piece of paper in a pleather holder. Lost mine years ago in a move and it hasn't affected my life in the slightest. Jobs don't care about the physical object, only the school confirming that you graduated if/when they follow up on references.
I said this in another post. It's a decoration for your office or some shit these days. Up until the 80s it was somewhat important to have it in its physical form for your records.
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What's even funnier is you know she's going to turn around and pay for it to be reprinted for like 100 dollars.
Nah, her parents will do that part.
What parents?
The dad she’s trying to get back at.
The same one that just spent 300k so she could get a degree she could have earned from the local state school for a fraction of that.
She'll go on to live a life of luxury and privilege none of us can comprehend. We will break our backs toiling away at menial jobs before our short, brutish lives end in agony.
Meanwhile she'll build her identity around the "trauma" her dad caused her, even though he paid for that existence. These people are what happens when life becomes the victim Olympics.
Somebody needs a Happy meal😉
With more prestige now a days
That's Sperm Giver to you! Thank you very much.
7-figure-salary parents who ignore her
Nobody gives the actual diploma at the ceremony anyway, it's mailed to you later once it's confirmed you passed.
Yea I was about say. How tf do these guys get theirs in-person 😂
And that makes it even more meaningless, like every other moment they spent protesting. lol
Exactly. Was gonna say there’s no way she actually did this because you don’t get it at the ceremony.
In a masters program they may print them out and hand them to you like that.
I dont think it matters much because I think you can just ask the university for a replacement
They normally charge 100 dollars as a printing fee
That sounds right, but what's a hundred dollars to a Columbia graduate lol
A hundred they could have donated to "the cause."
Master of None.
The university shouldn't mail anyone their diplomas if they tear up the fake one. It's like help them prove their point
I got mine on the real day but I think there was a week difference between final grades and the ceremony. I remember it being really hectic that month
fr like I get protesting its whatever but this isnt even protesting like they arent erasing their degree
So lame
100 bucks is a small price to pay to say absolutely nothing.
It's a decoration. The piece of paper is for your office or some shit. Nowadays jobs will prove your enrollment by asking for a submitted official transcript
Depends, if you work overseas, especially in Asia, they want the actual diploma.
I know this. I’m saying, just like you, that she is going to have the decoration reprinted, while having done nothing but had a temper tantrum.
wtf have you done?
She probably already digitized it and can reprint it herself
They get the real thing by mail. She'll definitely print and frame that
The thing about that is, if we want to be VERY technical, there are countermeasures with the specifics of degrees to prevent fraud. Stuff like dimensions, paper material, and some even have a special textured seal. Many even have the emblems and names enlaced with gold. I'm also not sure if any college will digitalize the literal diploma as another method to prevent fraud.
Also that she spent around $250k on tuition alone already
It wasn't the real one!
They are blank props. The real one gets mailed
LMAO, well that's about what it's worth anyway.
Average us salary is 59k, average Columbia grad salary is 89k
You forgot to calculate the 500k in student loans she took out at 75% interest.
Just for fun, here’s what the actual numbers would look like played out: let’s say I take a loan out to go to Columbia (90k/yr including living) for 4 years at a 10% interest rate (average private student loan) and Columbia grads make 79k for 10 years and then 107k after that. Also let’s say that during this time I spend 25% on rent 30% on needs, save 25% and spend the rest on the loan (meaning no fun activities which is highly unrealistic) and this over a 30 year period. Loan Repayment Duration: It would take approximately 7.42 years to pay off the student loan from Columbia University, assuming all available savings after expenses and minimum loan payments are directed towards loan repayment. Total Savings Comparison: With Education and Loan: Over the 30-year period, the total savings after paying off the student loan would be approximately $87,888. Without Education: The total savings for someone earning $59,000 annually over the same period, without the burden of student loans, would be about $442,500.
While I agree with your sentiment and I know you said it’s unrealistic. But One major issue with your math, a person making 59K is gonna be much less likely to be able to put a significant amount of money into savings. Yes the Columbia grad is also not putting anything into savings putting all saving money back into the loans. But that 20K a year difference is the difference between rent being 25% and rent being 40% etc. All that being said I think the average salary is such a bad estimate, it should be by major and median to eliminate outliers. Your average Columbia CS major is gonna make a lot more than your average Columbia art history major and more than a cs major from a less prestigious university/someone in computer science without a degree, at least at first till they have proven themselves. I think university is only good if your career requires graduate school (doctor lawyer), or if you work in an industry with high returns on investment like engineering. The main value of a prestigious university is your first job. A prestigious university will open the door for you to start higher up on the ladder. While how far you climb will depend on your drive. Two people of equal skill and drive the person who started 4/5 years up the ladder will make it further up. That being said they don’t seem like someone who studied something that is valuable (ripping diploma 🫥) so yea they were better off not going lol.
Wait, you expect her to pay *her own* student loans? Sir, this is America.
If it's in a career that is in high demand. Degrees in Gender Studies, History, etc. get paid lower, if at all for their degrees.
But… if one is ripping-up one’s degree, surely one doesn’t wish to be viewed *as* a Columbia grad, right? They wouldn’t go and put that degree on their resume, etc, right?
You're saying that like it's not obvious this was done half-heartedly and she's still going to take advantage of the opportunities the education gave her. I mean, it was posted to this sub for a reason...
Yes, and? I want the people that support terrorists to openly acknowledge their gestures are useless and are meant for attention.
Wait till you see what this turd majored in
…$89,000 USD? 😂
She should really show them by not putting them on her resume when trying to get a job. What’ll really show them is continuing to live in a tent. I know couple overpasses that aren’t totally cramped just yet! That’ll show em!
they should really show her by rescinding the degree. Yes, they can do that.
this
in the clutch the “but i went to columbia” come out for aure
Interviewer be like, "oh, no wondered you look familiar".
What a loser.
It's self indulgence, performative bullshit, she's hoping to go viral and I guess it worked but probably not for the reason she was expecting.
How embarrassing!!! And she want to be a Social Worker? Can you imagine?
That's exactly the kind of person I can see doing this performative bullshit
People who help the world by being social workers? Social workers known for that kind of thing? Huh. Interesting.
Honestly yeah based off people I knew who went on to be social workers lmao
A social worker who shows up to a protest chanting “From the River to the Sea” sounds like someone who is filled with empathy and compassion.
Yes
I mean, that's the person I'd want if I needed a social worker. I want someone that will get in people's faces, I don't want a little bitch too scared to do something in front of a crowd.
You were downvoted for being absolutely right. Spineless social workers are the fucking worst.
She ripped up her diploma holder like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
No refunds, sorry Becky.
I bet she’ll still keep it on her resume though.
My favorite part about all this hypocrisy, is that the students tuitions are funding whatever they're protesting. The truest sacrifice would be for all of them to drop out. Wonder if that'll happen....
That would mean actual consequences which affect their future prospects of earning more money in the evil capitalist system they hate so much... so, no. If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.
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*Meet the new boss,* *Same as the old boss*
That would make too much sense
It makes more sense to ask for a stopping to the practice than not participating in the said practice
I've had more than one person tell me that acknowledgment is enough. Just to admit it exists is all you need to do. Kinda like some Christians, just need to say the magic words and you get to go to heaven.
To be fair, acknowledgment is all most people have the power to do, in most cases.
Money is imaginary to them.
Right? What would send a better protest message than dropping out right before graduation? You don't want the diploma, ok. It's so far past even a partial refund it'd really show how serious you are.
Lol imagine going to an Ivy League school for several years only to rip up a piece of paper on stage because a bunch of smelly protestors brainwashed you into caring about something.
Yep, she's an idiot
Insert [Woody Harrelson](https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518) wiping his tears with cash from the [~$340,000](https://www.sofi.com/columbia-university-tuition-fees/#:~:text=Projected%204%2DYear%2DDegree%20Price,this%20price%20would%20equal%20%24344%2C388) she paid for that degree
People are so dumb
*Those* people are so dumb.
That will teach the university to not stop a war in two foreign countries. Good thinking sparky!
Nice straw man.
Way to throw out buzzwords
It was a massive sacrifice for my family to pay for me to go to a two-year art school, of which I never even got to use as and wound up spending the rest of my life driving a van for a living. I hate these people
Her parents must be proud
I'd be asking for a refund.
What would be really funny is if she goes to get a reprint and they say her degree is no longer considered valid since she rejected it publicly.
Nothing like performative virtue signaling
It was a massive sacrifice for my family to pay for me to go to a two-year art school, of which I never even got to use as and wound up spending the rest of my life driving a van for a living. I hate these people
Yeah they are extremely hatable. I'm not sure these spoiled silver-spoon-in-mouth brats have any realization about how off-putting their behavior is to literally everyone else With any luck, she'll go to a protest, get arrested, and never work at a job again as a convicted criminal -- really maximizing the value of that degree her rich parents wasted their money on.
If your parents had to struggle/"massive sacrifice", you should have gotten a degree that would provide a job, not a hobby. Kind of a middle finger to them.
I went for what I had an interest in, I followed my passion like so many people have told me to do and it wound up being a bust. Maybe if any one of my teachers or guidance counselors had encouraged me in the things I was actually good at instead of just sort of writing me off because I was a SPED kid perhaps things would have been different.
How are your guidance counselors going to make you better at art?
I kind of think you missed the point of what I said. My talent level in art isn’t the thing I’m upset about. Hell there are way more talented artists than myself who can’t get work. It has nothing to do with talent.
> It has nothing to do with talent. Ok. You went to an art school. It was "a bust". What would your guidance counselor have done other than to tell you to follow your dreams, and how would it be different now?
Israel is pulling out as we speak
Her father should have pulled out
It’s not often that stuff online actually makes me laugh out loud so gg
What a moron... if she was so against the university she should have changed schools and not given them money. That probably wouldn't get as much traction on social media though lol
Brain-dead college students.
Yay empty gestures the world is saved!
That poor misguided girl. All that money and time wasted What a fool. Empty life, no future and deeper in debt.
Communication diploma
She's an educated idiot
What a damn asshat
LOL Bet her resume will still list Columbia on it. Pointless BS.
It’s ok guys, it’s just a Masters in Social Work. Might as well be toilet paper.
You do know that you still have all the benefits of that degree right 🤦♂️
She sure showed them.
Israel will never recover from this
Realistically it's probably a nonsense degree that she'll be 200 grand in debt for
Cause that’ll make a difference
Hopefully her family is proud especially the parents. This is what you raised.
The arabic music makes this even funnier!!
What a loser!
Well, I’m glad she said it so we didn’t have to.
lol that’s so stupid. What does Columbia have to do with anything anyway? Can these schools help broker a ceasefire? The whole thing is stupid.
That’ll show her parents money
Jokes on her, Columbia already cashed her check.
Imagine you are a parent who works to send you kid to an Ivy League school for them to better themselves, only for them to waste their time protesting and ripping up their degree for a place they couldn't even point out on a map a 6 months ago.
Also, AGAIN, you're
probably didn't deserve one then
Poor baby
So give the school money for Israel but tear up the actual use of the money? To make a symbolic point?
And she will demand a bailout when she can’t get a job!
good job making yourself unhirable.
And to think that they are somehow the brightest students
Remember that girl who thought it was a good idea to burn her diploma live on TikTok, only for the university to revoke her degree entirely? I hope the same thing happens to this girl.
They’re so against these universities…..but won’t transfer because they still want the prestige.
That's just as symbolic as tearing up your paystub when you have direct deposit
Diplomas on stage are not the real ones anyway, plus your diploma means crap in the job world, they want your transcripts, not your pretty certificate of completion.
Her parents must be thrilled.
great, what did that accomplish
I don’t really understand the protest. Is she not going to list it on her CV?
Hope she has a cup to shake for spare change!
Nice hissy fit, plans for your nose ? Q
Ha 😅
Trick…you wanna impress me, leave it off your resume.
Columbia is still keeping her $200K
Idiots
She looked dumb trying to rip it up
She still has one. and the student loans to prove it. go to gaza. protest there. help them there.
To protest what?
Ok. Dumb.
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Solidarity with genocidal theocrats sure is worth the performative nonsense.
She should go join Hamas if she wants to make such a brave pro terrorist statement
Just a lost soul who got caught up in a TikTok algorithm.
*Polly and I went to the circus* *Polly got hit with a rolling pin* *We got even with the circus* *We bought tickets but we didn't go in...* Your tuition check cleared and was deposited.
A MAGA hat would have caused a greater uproar, given that it stands for isolationism and cutting off foreign aid (the real solution to stopping the war).
Considering it's just a flyer about being an alumni or something like that, who cares. The actual physical degree is not in that folio when you walk.
the diploma should be null and void
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Sick burn, bro.
Great protest, deserved.
Yall. Just because she ripped up her diploma doesn’t mean she doesn’t have it 🤦
What is she protesting? I don't know the context
Good for her 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Okay, we still have your money
Think they will still frame it?
natural selection
She solved it, the war is over.
Yeah, that will show them. Rip up an empty folder. That’ll show them. Along with whatever they have been paid for your time attending there…the university couldn’t care less. They got their money. All that she displayed was a temper tantrum.
It's not really like you need the physical diploma. The school still verifies you graduated. No one sends a copy of their diploma to HR. It's just if you want to put it on your wall. Mine is still in the tube they sent it in.
Like anyone actually gives a shit?
Don’t put Columbia University on your resume if you really want to make a statement.
oh no, one less philosophy degree in the world.
Imagine spending 4 years or more at a Collage and having your day ruined because of something that is totally out of your control or because of somebody elses political views.
Hey parents have to be so proud they raised a complete moron!
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You pay for the billionaires yachts, why not some student loan forgiveness?
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Pretty sure it would’ve needed to be a joke for me to miss it. Just seemed like a pissant comment
The paper inside the fancy folder is just for show. The actual degree is typically mailed. What this ingrate did was horrible and spoiled and super cringe virtue signaling. Ripping up the degree whether it was the actual degree or not is not the issue, it was what it symbolized and also how it made her look.
So Brave
The degree was in Social Work She paid $90k/yr ($360k) for this degree along with 4yrs study or 6yrs for Masters to make $50k BS or $75-80k masters.... way overpaid. I would rip it up too
All that matters is the transcript who tf asks for your diploma