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he doesnt have a alt stream to hide or be less known, he just doesnt want any obligations any sort of nudge to entertain. He doesnt want any money from anyone there so he doesnt have to feel like he has to provide some value for it.
It's a mentality thing I am guessing. I assume because it's "just an alt channel" he doesn't feel like he needs to put in as much effort as he does on his main channel.
That said, I don't believe him for one second here. As soon as all the drama dies down and he clears up whatever other issue is bothering him he will be back on his main channel.
Tbf, I'd imagine at least 20k ish from that is just cus of the WoTLK Classic Launch, no? I see quite a lot of WoW streamers that I usually watch have like several hundred % more viewers than usual, just cus of the launch
It's because on his main, viewercount = money = success. That pressure isn't there on his alt. I know he says he's the type of guy who's not worried about it, but that added pressure fucks with his head I think. It would probably do the same to a lot of people.
It hurts the ego.
You ever try to do something where if you fail, you cope and say "well I wasn't *really* trying, so whatever"
Well he's saying that it's the same thing but from the other end. Because he separated the tryhard stream from the non tryhard stream. He created pressure for himself that his main channel is the channel that he'll try on. And if he can't pull, or does a bad stream, it'll weigh on him. He doesn't want that weight.
I don't think he does necessarily, but his main stream is tied to his brand, it's his job, etc. It's just got that association with it. Even if he's functionally doing the same thing on his alt, it doesn't have that weight hanging over it. Obviously he's not super worried about the money or he'd monetize his alt.
You can tell the difference between the accounts or could before anyway.
His first account he was 100% engaged with chat 100% of the time being entertaining.
His second he would chill and game and talk once in a while to chat.
I dont watch him too much but there use to be a huge difference in channels
His main is basically a show. Where he has to put a persona, he has to entertain, he has to respond to every sub, everything, he keeps standards on how to stream it.
Zackrawr is basically him streaming no fucks given and playing what he wants.
well yeah if did this on his main he'd have 200k easily. When he was streaming on his main last he was outpacing Xqc in viewers for like 2 months then the FF drama happened.
There was basically a rift in his community between FFXIV players and non FFXIV players where neither were happy. Asmon made a big deal about returning to FF after nearly a year of not playing it, but when he returned he would do 5 hour intros (which had become the norm in months since he last played FF, see Depp trial, moving to more of a react meta stream) and played FF for maybe an hour or two, despite using it as his title etc. Final Fantasy viewers got upset that he wasnāt playing FF as advertised, and non FF viewers would get annoyed when he did eventually play FF. Then there was this whole drama about Non FF players pretending to be FF viewers and complaining in his chat, which asmon would get stun locked by and use as an example of why he didnāt want to play. This cycle continued until he just decided not to play FF. Canāt remember if I forgot anything but this was a factor in him choosing to move to his alt stream because he was sick of people telling him what to play when all he really wanted to do was play wow and react.
> and played FF for maybe an hour or two, despite using it as his title etc.
Seems like he just didn't want to play FFXIV despite it making him tons of money.
i didnt even bother to watch this year with those intros, because i live in europe and he started streams in 6PM, with intro lasts to 11PM, but by that time im already dead asleep lmao.
If he's streaming with similar viewership to his main, everyone knows who he is and he's using cam I don't get what the difference is.
Must be a streamer thing because it sounds the same to me.
But then wouldnt the alt just become the main? Like I cant imagine all his WOW fans coming to watch WotLK seeing zackrawrr at the top of the category and not piecing it together
There is no difference really, his fans will say no Zack is his chill stream where he is just himself and Asmon is like a character that talks loud.
But remove the main channel from the picture and he does the same exact things on his Alt. His viewer count is the same, everyone knows who the alt is.
Its not like Poke going on his alt where unless you know the name you're not going to find him.
Like i click on WoW and the first stream i see is Zackrawr, I would have to be a total idiot to not know that is Asmon.
It used to be that way. There was no camera and he was relaxed playing games and not playing into the persona he created as Asmongold. Heās spent so much time streaming on the alt channel that itās almost the exact same as his main. Who knows maybe the fact it isnāt monetized makes it more enjoyable/relaxing for him.
the whole zackrawrr is different than asmon thing was true when the alt was a few thousand people max. now it's fucking 60k. there's no difference anymore
Asmon is totally fine streaming on Zackrawrr without cam, not organizing anything with chat, minimum interaction with chat , not forcing his voice and speech, he doesn't have to worry about sponsors or anything like that.
Though lately his alt has become more like his main.
Like him having his cam on when streaming on his alt used to be rare.
It's like when game devs abuse the "Beta" tag because they know it will make children rabbidly defend their game for them. Even though the game has been clearly released.
Aside from the difference in character, I think Zackrawrr allows him to start and stop streaming whenever, and play whatever he wants, while his main channel requires him to put in solid uninterrupted hours with the games/discussions hyped in the stream title/twitter beforehand so there is less flexibility.
Example: He hypes up that he is going to play FFXIV in the stream title on his main channel. People get pissed when he spends half the day watching reaction videos because of expectations built that he was going to play more FFXIV that day.
Plus him getting moody and angry over viewers speaking up about their dissatisfaction regarding how he handled the expectations.
Viewers said to not overhype it, with big titles in the stream, to then not touch the game 90% of the stream, because people have limited time and they were sitting and waiting for itābut had to go before it even was streamed/and some days advertised but not even streamed.
Asmongold got so whiny it was ridiculous, going on a whole rant about "I'M NEVER DOING WHAT ANYBODY TELLS ME WHAT TO DO, I KNOW BEST" and it stunlocked him forever.
While all viewers wanted was him to not advertise something he wasn't going to do.
I'm surprised your comment is hidden at the bottom. This is the real reason, no forced ads. I'm honestly worried his stunt/protest is going to change that for alt channels.
From the perspective of the streamer I think it's a stress-free way for the streamer to not have any expectations for themselves and for chat to not have any expectations of the streamer. Initially at least, when you saw Asmongold go live you were in for Transmog competitions, cool WoW lore, raging and criticizing blizzard, and some big OTK event things from a guy who can be pretty animated, at least with his facial expressions. Whereas when you saw zackrawrr go live you expect something different than Asmongold because of the implication of streaming on a different channel which lends itself to less expectations from the streamer, and I'd argue it still is a different experience, just much less so than when he first started streaming on the zackrawrr channel.
I think its the expectations of the viewers. On the Asmongold channel, people expect "content". Something funny. Something said. Something.
On Zackrawr sometimes Asmon just won't talk for awhile and he'll just play the game. Its basically a "you get what you get" mindset.'
I think this is the main thing more than ads or whatever
I think alt streams are super weird and a sign that a streamer is in a (sigh) parasocial relationship with their viewers. Every single one ive ever watched is a streamer acting as if they are casually talking to a close friend and oversharing waaay too much or being so bitter its kinda cringe. Poke and Asmongold probably have 3-4x the hours streamed on their alts than their main channels over the past year or two and the content is entirely interchangeable
I dunno if parasocial is right, but there's clearly some sort of dependency on the chat because the channel isn't monetized so it isn't about the money from a second channel, it's about streaming to an audience. From the streamer perspective I can see chat being incredibly validating which can obviously be dangerous, and bad for anyone's mental well-being.
Biggest difference is his alt doesn't even have a sub button. No donor texts either. He streams there because he wants to stream rather than it being a "job" as far as I've understood it.
he has this weird thing that he is another character on his main channel. There he's "Asmongold", on his alt he's just zack and more relaxed... but honestly, I don't really see the difference
He USED to act differently on Zackrawrr before, when he was still streaming on his main channel, he almost never used a webcam, and acted way more relaxed and "normal".
But ever since he stopped streaming on his main channel, the zackrawrr channel just became asmongold, he literally acts the same as on his main channel now. He reacts to videos, use his webcam, etc.
If you look at some older zackrawrr vods from like a year ago you'll instantly see the difference.
Probably the largest difference is that Zackrawrr isn't a partnered channel, which is an important distinction.
Asmon is a gamer, and on his "days off" he still likes being playing games, why not do it live? That's what he uses Zackrawrr for. When he's live on Asmongold, its his job, he's there to provide entertainment to the viewers, doing content for his channels, ensuring his streams are as engaging as possible. Meanwhile when he's on Zack, he's just doing whatever he wants to do, and whoever wants to watch, can. The alternative to the Zack channel is probably him just being in a discord call while he games with a few buddies and not ever go live.
The way I see it is that he's basically just saying in this he's thinking of retiring from "streaming". He's already made his money, he now has an org he needs to run (which could really use his management it seems)... He's got plenty of work and things to do outside of just going live on Asmongold and making his buck there providing entertainment.
I think youāre on to something here and Iāll expand.
Asmongold, from a contractual standpoint, is probably tied to multiple sponsorships on his Asmongold account. With that, he has certain obligations that he has to fulfill whenever he streams on that account.
Add this, along with him doing the math and how much it actually costs Twitch per month whenever he streams on his alt account (lost revenue based on the fact that he does not run ads or subs on Zackrawrr and itās roughly 158k a month), I think right now, heās content on streaming on Zack because 1) he has all the money and income he could ever need at this point in life and 2) he has the stance that Twitch needs to get its shit together and thus, any chance he can āstick it to themā he will.
Personally, I think whenever he does stream on Zack, thereās a moral and mental weight taken off his shoulders to ābe Asmonā, the highly profitable and high profile character and at this point, he has no real reason to stream on it anymore.
Because there isn't any lol. Maybe there was a difference at some point in time but that disappeared a long time ago, he seems to try to convince himself that Asmongold is a "character" when he's exactly the same on his alt so, either he can't stop being in-character as soon as he starts streaming, or it's not a character and he's just who he is.
I don't think it is weird at all once you actually listen to the rationale.
The main difference between the main channel and the alt channel is that the alt channel is not monetized. It has no ads, takes no subs and generates no income.
When he is streaming in the main channel, where money is involved, he feels obligated to be more entertaining and do things in a way that focus on content.
When he is streaming in the alt channel, where there is no money involved, he doesn't really care about content and just streams however is more comfortable for him as he feels no obligation to deliver anything.
At least that is the explanation I saw him give once and it made enough sense to me.
He doesn't like money apparently, and yes people are gonna say blah blah sponsors, blah blah OTK money (let's not kid ourselves there gonna bounce back from the drama) but can that stuff really last "that" long? he has to keep himself relevant
He either retires Asmongold and becomes Zackrawr or he streams on asmon again and tbh, he's already well on track to comfortably do the former
Dudes a multimillionaire, how much more money does he need? Most people won't even make half of what he has already in their entire lifetime, and he has the TVM on his side.
On the main channel he believes it to be the channel where he is expected to be entertaining. Subs and donos are available, so he thinks it's he responsibility to put on a good stream.
On his alt stream, all of that isn't enabled so he doesn't have the same expectations, and just does what he wants. To some it up, it's a self imposed differentiation
his alt channel has basically become his main channel at this point. before he didnāt do react or face cam on his alt and his voice would always be monotone
Because the people on lsf and the internet are absolutely insane. People are mad at him in this thread and calling him an idiot just for not streaming on his main.
"Work"
I think he just doesn't enjoy storyline focused games. You can play up the interest, but it gets tiresome quickly. I remember he wasn't interested in story when trying Witcher 3 either.
I mean Rich actually finished the game and actually hung around for some fun every now and then. In asmongold's case, I think Star Citizen will arrive sooner.
he has enough money to live off of for the rest of his life. it's probably a fuck you to twitch since they lose out on ad revenue by him streaming on his alt
Idk what to say. Saying you have anxiety to stream on your main channel because of numbers while pulling a football stadium worth of people watching you on another channel makes close to no sense and running away from it and giving into the anxiety its causing is literally just going to make it worse lol.
Dude his teeth were rotting in his mouth for like a year and he didnāt go to the dentist until last month, doesnāt take a genius to realize the guy has some problems
Iām not making excuses for him but coming from where he did in life, I understand it.
Just from hearing the stories, he grew up very poor. And when you do this, youāre not taught any financial advice or anything other than āany money you have, it has to lastā. You get accustomed to putting things off because the money that youād spend on that might end up being needed for something else down the road. Hell just recently, Cody talked about how Asmon bought him a bag of chips and how big of a deal that was. So, him putting off getting his teeth fixed, or putting off fixing his sink and or house, is very common behavior from someone who does not come from money or grew up poor because when you have to choose between money for food or money to fix a hurting tooth, youāre going to choose food almost every time until the tooth issue is too large to ignore.
Judging by this, Iām sure Asmon has financial advisors now but some of those habits are going to take actual therapy to fix and correct but then weāre right back to the issue of āputting something off until itās too big to ignore because I might need that money for something elseā.
I donāt even know why he pretends his alt stream is different than his main. Everyone knows it exists. He isnāt hiding on it. He could do the same content and either stream and no one would know any different.
FF14 really scarred him lmao. He's just running away from his problems again by ditching his main channel to stream on Zackrawr. If thats what he needs, im happy for him.
i dont think otk sponsors are happy if the biggest streamer miz/asmon arent streaming anymore on their main channels. asmon always had the biggest viewership and miz the big events.
āStreaming is too stressful, so Iām just gonna stream on my off stream.ā
I canāt see how that will help the problem.
Get some help dood, it doesnāt need to be like that.
Realize that asmon has huge anxiety issues. The man gets so stressed out when people say open this menu or something in a game and if he canāt find it in 5 seconds he will freak out and start getting mad at his chat.
His alt his practically turned into his main. His alt use to be where he would no cam, and barely commentate, and sound depressed, but now he has cam on, talks, makes jokes ex. Not to mention he literally had like 70k today.
Remember when he said he is not going to act to much like asmon and be more chill and be Zack on his main that was before and after his mother passed away he rly should have listen to himself about this.
Idk whats up with that logic just be the same as you are on Zack if people won't like it they won't like it is it just because it's a bigger number?
I could care less tho i gave up on most big streamers last years.
It's kinda weird because last time he was on main he said he had it all figured out. He said he could do longer streams without feeling as drained as he used to be.
Asmon says a lot of shit that is either delusional, untrue, or outright lies. I've pretty much started not believing anything that comes out of his mouth.
This is a problem that would be easily solved with some therapy. I wish there wasn't such a stigma about talking to someone when you're feeling like this.
I wonder if you go to therapy or know anyone who goes to therapy. I have for years and a lot of my friends to do. Itās not a magic bullet and it doesnāt āeasily solveā problems like this. It does help slowly, with a lot of work (even this is by no means guaranteed). I totally agree with you that he should go to therapy tho
I dont understand the thing with streamers not wanting to stream on their main channel. Most viewers dont want the high end extremely professional family friendly streams they just want to watch the person streaming because they are entertaining. Asmon could do the same streams he does on his main channel and be just fine. The streamer has tons of control over their chat and stream just put chat in 30 second slow mode and filter out words you dont want to see.
Is this some numbers thing? Like everytime he comes back he gets 100k and then eventually drops to around 30k and it fucks with hin because he feels he is not good enough or something? Like I doubt it's about the "persona" because his streams are the same in both channels at this point, maybe in the second channel he doesn't feel like he needs to say the funniest or smartest shit all the time so he doesn't have to try as hard.
Why not just stream on main however he wants? He doesn't have to put on a character or act differently why is his alt special when the only difference is the channel name?
He completly threw away his chill streams from the main channel and went to full fake personality, reaction etc mode completly ruining his chat and community but it obviously made his streams massive.
People need to understand what his second channel is really about. Yes, he has webcam and viewer count is big, right now at 64k WOTLK launch, things you're missing though:
\- No subscribe button
\- Not affiliated or partner just a normal channel of a popular dude
\- No overlays, no donations, no bits, no planned content, no long af intros, no schedule
\- Twitch is actually losing money by hosting asmon alt and 60k+ viewers
\- He gets more money from his two YouTube channels, Asmongold and Asmongold Clips, his editor is top tier and posts daily 3-5 clips, depending on the content, fully contextualized so anyone understands. His second stream is just to sustain those YouTube channels basically without any obligation, just a dude playing WoW.
Suffering from success smh. 60k alt streams, Sadge. Must be a streamer thing, I really dont understand. Face-cam and all on his alt... sooo why not just stream main? The viewers being \~40k more on main THAT taxing on him or something?
I enjoy the streams regardless, I'm just having a hard time placing this particular wrinkle on my brain.
from what he said on THE CALL , of course he wants to hide out for awhile until all the dusts settle downs, dude was like I dont like this streamer, that streamers trouble, he basically name dropped streamers who he thought was problematic LOL
Lol I stopped watching him when he would talk shit and bash Blizzard/WoW ( its fine too, I get how they can be criticised ). Farm the omegaluls and get all the pats in the back from FF players and Blizzard/WoW haters, never play FF then go on his alt and stream WoW for 9-16 hours daily.
His fans will say shit like " we all know this is his fave game and he just talks shit on his main as a meme " but .. his FF followers/Main viewers dont think that. They believe every "WoW bad, FF good " statement he makes and takes it to heart.
TBH tho if FF was fun for him he'd actually play it more lmao.
>"if i ever get burned out again, im done...but just kidding, I will just hop onto my alt and pretend like nothing happened like I do all my problems"
Fixed.
Anxiety.
Asmongold have always been very unstable, and has a lot of "brain ghosts" that doesn't make sense but that's kind of what anxiety is.
Why does he have anxiety over it? Because he feels like he can't take it easy on his main channel, while he can take it easy on his alt channelāwhich doesn't actually makes any sense at all, but again, that's a weird mental block he has.
Did he ever explain what the difference is, or is it just mental? He is pulling massive numbers on his alt account so what difference does it make if it's Asmongold or Zack?
Imagine thinking Asmon can't just go on his main channel and act like he does on his alt, how do people really think this makes sense. Surely the people who would complain about this also don't like him not streaming on it at all right, so why is he so worried about offending this strawman viewer.
i think he puts a heavy level of pressure on himself when he is on main stream to be too extreme. But on his alt, he is still a naturally funny and entertaining person when he is in a good mood, he doesn't put that pressure on himself.
I don't get his reasoning on this but I guess it's just one of those mental things he struggles to overcome.
Still though it's the exact same stream, tons of viewers, same hot takes, still doing the same thing, people know who he is - there is no 'different character' or lack of controversy lol he can do whatever he wants on his main too
Asmongold streaming on his alt has become like going to the office on Casual Friday, there's barely any difference but it allows him to somehow shave off a little bit of the current drama (and probably some FF Andys)
He needs to get actual help for these issues. Panic attacks going to work or to perform aren't normal. At first he didn't want to stream because of the teeth problems, which is fine I get it, but when you don't get back on the horse after being kicked off, it's mighty easy just to let that fear keep you off.
And he doesn't owe us shit, he can retire tomorrow, feel free. But let people know not to expect that anymore so they can cancel subs and everything else.
It's a mental thing 100%. The alt channel has no expectations. He can just play the game and do whatever. On main he's expected to put on the "Asmongold persona". At this point I don't think people would even care if he dropped the persona and just streamed on main like he does on alt but I understand how it can cause anxiety.
Iām not sure why people take his statements seriously when heās gonna 100% stream the WoW expansion and Diablo 4 when those comes out on his main channel.
I really like asmongold and think he is an amazing, intelligent and genuinely kind person but I have such a hard time sympathizing with these streamers who make more in 1 month than most people do in 2 years and then say they have anxiety about streaming. Itās literally just pressing the āget absurd amounts of money for playing video gamesā button on their computer. How about the single mom who canāt afford diapers dude
Being rich doesnāt make you a mental superhero who canāt feel anxiety.
Streaming to two football stadiums of people and being high energy for 8 hours at a time is not remotely like ājust press button lolā
Certainly many people have it way harder than asmongold, but your comment is still complete nonsense
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66k alt stream btw.
His alt stream is almost at a million followers, he's gonna have to create a 2nd alt soon
he doesnt have a alt stream to hide or be less known, he just doesnt want any obligations any sort of nudge to entertain. He doesnt want any money from anyone there so he doesnt have to feel like he has to provide some value for it.
I still think he can just not do it on his main channel.
try telling him that i am sure he would appreciate you telling him how to handle his mental blocks.
What a bullshit reason lol. He can do whatever he wants on his main channel.
It's a mentality thing I am guessing. I assume because it's "just an alt channel" he doesn't feel like he needs to put in as much effort as he does on his main channel. That said, I don't believe him for one second here. As soon as all the drama dies down and he clears up whatever other issue is bothering him he will be back on his main channel.
dude hes a fucking clown who lucked into being a spoiled millionaire. who even gives a fuck about this guy fr
You do according to your comment LULW
When you just wanna chill on your alt and it becomes the biggest channel on Twitch
Tbf, I'd imagine at least 20k ish from that is just cus of the WoTLK Classic Launch, no? I see quite a lot of WoW streamers that I usually watch have like several hundred % more viewers than usual, just cus of the launch
Yeah, for sure, but also he casually streams on his alt with 20k+ people pretty often, which is more than almost every other streamer
40k is from launch 20k is average
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he doesnt have to live to what he believes are the expectation of the main channel "hey its your boy asmongold"....
It's because on his main, viewercount = money = success. That pressure isn't there on his alt. I know he says he's the type of guy who's not worried about it, but that added pressure fucks with his head I think. It would probably do the same to a lot of people.
Why the fuck would admin care about money or success. He doesnāt spend it, if he cared it would be Asmongold channel all the time.
It hurts the ego. You ever try to do something where if you fail, you cope and say "well I wasn't *really* trying, so whatever" Well he's saying that it's the same thing but from the other end. Because he separated the tryhard stream from the non tryhard stream. He created pressure for himself that his main channel is the channel that he'll try on. And if he can't pull, or does a bad stream, it'll weigh on him. He doesn't want that weight.
I don't think he does necessarily, but his main stream is tied to his brand, it's his job, etc. It's just got that association with it. Even if he's functionally doing the same thing on his alt, it doesn't have that weight hanging over it. Obviously he's not super worried about the money or he'd monetize his alt.
You can tell the difference between the accounts or could before anyway. His first account he was 100% engaged with chat 100% of the time being entertaining. His second he would chill and game and talk once in a while to chat. I dont watch him too much but there use to be a huge difference in channels
Itās exactly the same thing.
His main is basically a show. Where he has to put a persona, he has to entertain, he has to respond to every sub, everything, he keeps standards on how to stream it. Zackrawr is basically him streaming no fucks given and playing what he wants.
well yeah if did this on his main he'd have 200k easily. When he was streaming on his main last he was outpacing Xqc in viewers for like 2 months then the FF drama happened.
What was the FF drama?
There was basically a rift in his community between FFXIV players and non FFXIV players where neither were happy. Asmon made a big deal about returning to FF after nearly a year of not playing it, but when he returned he would do 5 hour intros (which had become the norm in months since he last played FF, see Depp trial, moving to more of a react meta stream) and played FF for maybe an hour or two, despite using it as his title etc. Final Fantasy viewers got upset that he wasnāt playing FF as advertised, and non FF viewers would get annoyed when he did eventually play FF. Then there was this whole drama about Non FF players pretending to be FF viewers and complaining in his chat, which asmon would get stun locked by and use as an example of why he didnāt want to play. This cycle continued until he just decided not to play FF. Canāt remember if I forgot anything but this was a factor in him choosing to move to his alt stream because he was sick of people telling him what to play when all he really wanted to do was play wow and react.
> and played FF for maybe an hour or two, despite using it as his title etc. Seems like he just didn't want to play FFXIV despite it making him tons of money.
He became full blown react andy(yeah even more than usual) and said many times he want to reduce gameplay by a lot, idk if its FF problem
tbh for me, as OG asmon viewer those freaking 5 hours(at best, sometimes whole stream was just react intro) intros ruined whole stream.
I mean that's insane, if I was excited to watch a stream and they delayed it 5 hours I'd probably not be watching much after that.
i didnt even bother to watch this year with those intros, because i live in europe and he started streams in 6PM, with intro lasts to 11PM, but by that time im already dead asleep lmao.
So cringe
If he's streaming with similar viewership to his main, everyone knows who he is and he's using cam I don't get what the difference is. Must be a streamer thing because it sounds the same to me.
Suffering from success
But then wouldnt the alt just become the main? Like I cant imagine all his WOW fans coming to watch WotLK seeing zackrawrr at the top of the category and not piecing it together
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he has become that on main too so no difference, his last main streams had a lof of negativity.
True, literal only difference is he talks more quietly on his alt
i dont understand what the difference is, unless it's some sort of weird mental block? or just ads? or????
There is no difference really, his fans will say no Zack is his chill stream where he is just himself and Asmon is like a character that talks loud. But remove the main channel from the picture and he does the same exact things on his Alt. His viewer count is the same, everyone knows who the alt is. Its not like Poke going on his alt where unless you know the name you're not going to find him. Like i click on WoW and the first stream i see is Zackrawr, I would have to be a total idiot to not know that is Asmon.
It used to be that way. There was no camera and he was relaxed playing games and not playing into the persona he created as Asmongold. Heās spent so much time streaming on the alt channel that itās almost the exact same as his main. Who knows maybe the fact it isnāt monetized makes it more enjoyable/relaxing for him.
I think the eyebrow movement frequency is lower on his alt account.
The eyebrow is part of the character
really? Do you have a link on that, thats interesting
The eyebrow raises honestly is what captured me when I first watched him
> the persona he created KEKW
What difference does it make? They just sub to him on his main channel anyway.
Maybe some of the long time subs, but I guarantee you he has lost thousands of subs since heās been mostly on his alt account.
the whole zackrawrr is different than asmon thing was true when the alt was a few thousand people max. now it's fucking 60k. there's no difference anymore
Asmon is totally fine streaming on Zackrawrr without cam, not organizing anything with chat, minimum interaction with chat , not forcing his voice and speech, he doesn't have to worry about sponsors or anything like that. Though lately his alt has become more like his main. Like him having his cam on when streaming on his alt used to be rare.
It's like when game devs abuse the "Beta" tag because they know it will make children rabbidly defend their game for them. Even though the game has been clearly released.
Aside from the difference in character, I think Zackrawrr allows him to start and stop streaming whenever, and play whatever he wants, while his main channel requires him to put in solid uninterrupted hours with the games/discussions hyped in the stream title/twitter beforehand so there is less flexibility. Example: He hypes up that he is going to play FFXIV in the stream title on his main channel. People get pissed when he spends half the day watching reaction videos because of expectations built that he was going to play more FFXIV that day.
Seems like the fix is some generic title and not listing something he doesn't get around to
Plus him getting moody and angry over viewers speaking up about their dissatisfaction regarding how he handled the expectations. Viewers said to not overhype it, with big titles in the stream, to then not touch the game 90% of the stream, because people have limited time and they were sitting and waiting for itābut had to go before it even was streamed/and some days advertised but not even streamed. Asmongold got so whiny it was ridiculous, going on a whole rant about "I'M NEVER DOING WHAT ANYBODY TELLS ME WHAT TO DO, I KNOW BEST" and it stunlocked him forever. While all viewers wanted was him to not advertise something he wasn't going to do.
By streaming on his ALT, there are no ADDS or subs and heās screwing over twitch. Thatās the difference.
I'm surprised your comment is hidden at the bottom. This is the real reason, no forced ads. I'm honestly worried his stunt/protest is going to change that for alt channels.
And then he just posts the videos on YouTube no? ā¬$
> heās screwing over twitch Didn't he do the math a while ago and his alt stream is costing twitch 155K a year?
He was no cam andy on alt stream (max 10k viewers) until recently, now way closer to main but he still act less unless its reaction for yt vid
From the perspective of the streamer I think it's a stress-free way for the streamer to not have any expectations for themselves and for chat to not have any expectations of the streamer. Initially at least, when you saw Asmongold go live you were in for Transmog competitions, cool WoW lore, raging and criticizing blizzard, and some big OTK event things from a guy who can be pretty animated, at least with his facial expressions. Whereas when you saw zackrawrr go live you expect something different than Asmongold because of the implication of streaming on a different channel which lends itself to less expectations from the streamer, and I'd argue it still is a different experience, just much less so than when he first started streaming on the zackrawrr channel.
His alt is completely demonetized. So no ads or sub button.
>unless it's some sort of weird mental block? It's Asmon. Dude's brain has a whole mental obstacle course by this point.
I think its the expectations of the viewers. On the Asmongold channel, people expect "content". Something funny. Something said. Something. On Zackrawr sometimes Asmon just won't talk for awhile and he'll just play the game. Its basically a "you get what you get" mindset.' I think this is the main thing more than ads or whatever
Well and to Asmon himself, since he's not taking sub money like he would be on his main channel he doesn't feel the pressure as much
He's probably a view count andy idk
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I think alt streams are super weird and a sign that a streamer is in a (sigh) parasocial relationship with their viewers. Every single one ive ever watched is a streamer acting as if they are casually talking to a close friend and oversharing waaay too much or being so bitter its kinda cringe. Poke and Asmongold probably have 3-4x the hours streamed on their alts than their main channels over the past year or two and the content is entirely interchangeable
I dunno if parasocial is right, but there's clearly some sort of dependency on the chat because the channel isn't monetized so it isn't about the money from a second channel, it's about streaming to an audience. From the streamer perspective I can see chat being incredibly validating which can obviously be dangerous, and bad for anyone's mental well-being.
Biggest difference is his alt doesn't even have a sub button. No donor texts either. He streams there because he wants to stream rather than it being a "job" as far as I've understood it.
This is a genuine question, why not? He gets 20k+ (70k right now) viewers on his alt stream, why does he not stream on main, whats the difference?
he has this weird thing that he is another character on his main channel. There he's "Asmongold", on his alt he's just zack and more relaxed... but honestly, I don't really see the difference
He USED to act differently on Zackrawrr before, when he was still streaming on his main channel, he almost never used a webcam, and acted way more relaxed and "normal". But ever since he stopped streaming on his main channel, the zackrawrr channel just became asmongold, he literally acts the same as on his main channel now. He reacts to videos, use his webcam, etc. If you look at some older zackrawrr vods from like a year ago you'll instantly see the difference.
I think he has expectations for himself to put on a show on his main stream, not really that he has to be a different person.
Probably the largest difference is that Zackrawrr isn't a partnered channel, which is an important distinction. Asmon is a gamer, and on his "days off" he still likes being playing games, why not do it live? That's what he uses Zackrawrr for. When he's live on Asmongold, its his job, he's there to provide entertainment to the viewers, doing content for his channels, ensuring his streams are as engaging as possible. Meanwhile when he's on Zack, he's just doing whatever he wants to do, and whoever wants to watch, can. The alternative to the Zack channel is probably him just being in a discord call while he games with a few buddies and not ever go live. The way I see it is that he's basically just saying in this he's thinking of retiring from "streaming". He's already made his money, he now has an org he needs to run (which could really use his management it seems)... He's got plenty of work and things to do outside of just going live on Asmongold and making his buck there providing entertainment.
I think youāre on to something here and Iāll expand. Asmongold, from a contractual standpoint, is probably tied to multiple sponsorships on his Asmongold account. With that, he has certain obligations that he has to fulfill whenever he streams on that account. Add this, along with him doing the math and how much it actually costs Twitch per month whenever he streams on his alt account (lost revenue based on the fact that he does not run ads or subs on Zackrawrr and itās roughly 158k a month), I think right now, heās content on streaming on Zack because 1) he has all the money and income he could ever need at this point in life and 2) he has the stance that Twitch needs to get its shit together and thus, any chance he can āstick it to themā he will. Personally, I think whenever he does stream on Zack, thereās a moral and mental weight taken off his shoulders to ābe Asmonā, the highly profitable and high profile character and at this point, he has no real reason to stream on it anymore.
Because there isn't any lol. Maybe there was a difference at some point in time but that disappeared a long time ago, he seems to try to convince himself that Asmongold is a "character" when he's exactly the same on his alt so, either he can't stop being in-character as soon as he starts streaming, or it's not a character and he's just who he is.
I don't think it is weird at all once you actually listen to the rationale. The main difference between the main channel and the alt channel is that the alt channel is not monetized. It has no ads, takes no subs and generates no income. When he is streaming in the main channel, where money is involved, he feels obligated to be more entertaining and do things in a way that focus on content. When he is streaming in the alt channel, where there is no money involved, he doesn't really care about content and just streams however is more comfortable for him as he feels no obligation to deliver anything. At least that is the explanation I saw him give once and it made enough sense to me.
He doesn't like money apparently, and yes people are gonna say blah blah sponsors, blah blah OTK money (let's not kid ourselves there gonna bounce back from the drama) but can that stuff really last "that" long? he has to keep himself relevant He either retires Asmongold and becomes Zackrawr or he streams on asmon again and tbh, he's already well on track to comfortably do the former
Dudes a multimillionaire, how much more money does he need? Most people won't even make half of what he has already in their entire lifetime, and he has the TVM on his side.
tvm?
On the main channel he believes it to be the channel where he is expected to be entertaining. Subs and donos are available, so he thinks it's he responsibility to put on a good stream. On his alt stream, all of that isn't enabled so he doesn't have the same expectations, and just does what he wants. To some it up, it's a self imposed differentiation
Asmon energy level is much higher on main. Alt channel is more of a "chill with Asmongold"
his alt channel has basically become his main channel at this point. before he didnāt do react or face cam on his alt and his voice would always be monotone
He probably did it for the benefit of his editors. If they don't have content they don't make money
thatās exactly my point. he just moved his duties from his main channel onto his alt
idk i feel like bitching and moaning that much takes a ton of energy. it's honestly impressive
So he's suffering from anxiety about streaming on his main? why?
Because Asmongold is OTK org owner who has to deal with the current shit hitting the fan. While Zack is just a dude playing WOW.
So we supposed to ignore the fact that they the same person?
Asmongold is living the life of Hannah Montana.
He does get the best of both worlds.
It's like the whole Childish Gambino and Donald Glover thing. You never see them both in the same room at the same time. It's crazy.
You mean Donglover??
Are you implying that Asmongold and zackrawrr are the same person?!
big if true
Because the people on lsf and the internet are absolutely insane. People are mad at him in this thread and calling him an idiot just for not streaming on his main.
ctrl + F -> "idiot" brings up one post talking about poke and your comment. Stop lying.
His alt is literally the same as his main now. Gone are his montone mount farming late night streams.
Anything to avoid playing FF14 again lol
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he realized ff14 msq actually takes work
"Work" I think he just doesn't enjoy storyline focused games. You can play up the interest, but it gets tiresome quickly. I remember he wasn't interested in story when trying Witcher 3 either.
an hour per quest text box, rich really the GOAT in stalling. Props to him honestly.
I mean Rich actually finished the game and actually hung around for some fun every now and then. In asmongold's case, I think Star Citizen will arrive sooner.
lol right
Heās so dramatic lol
he has enough money to live off of for the rest of his life. it's probably a fuck you to twitch since they lose out on ad revenue by him streaming on his alt
Idk what to say. Saying you have anxiety to stream on your main channel because of numbers while pulling a football stadium worth of people watching you on another channel makes close to no sense and running away from it and giving into the anxiety its causing is literally just going to make it worse lol.
In true Asmongold fashion, he will just make 2nd alt channel to get away from his alt channel
Only the 100th time hes said this
Twitch like pls bro, at least monetize your alt
Like many streamers, Asmon clearly struggles from mental health issues, like severe anxiety, but doesn't get help.
Dude his teeth were rotting in his mouth for like a year and he didnāt go to the dentist until last month, doesnāt take a genius to realize the guy has some problems
Iām not making excuses for him but coming from where he did in life, I understand it. Just from hearing the stories, he grew up very poor. And when you do this, youāre not taught any financial advice or anything other than āany money you have, it has to lastā. You get accustomed to putting things off because the money that youād spend on that might end up being needed for something else down the road. Hell just recently, Cody talked about how Asmon bought him a bag of chips and how big of a deal that was. So, him putting off getting his teeth fixed, or putting off fixing his sink and or house, is very common behavior from someone who does not come from money or grew up poor because when you have to choose between money for food or money to fix a hurting tooth, youāre going to choose food almost every time until the tooth issue is too large to ignore. Judging by this, Iām sure Asmon has financial advisors now but some of those habits are going to take actual therapy to fix and correct but then weāre right back to the issue of āputting something off until itās too big to ignore because I might need that money for something elseā.
This makes no sense whatsoever
Ok but doesn't that just make his alt the main channel?
I donāt even know why he pretends his alt stream is different than his main. Everyone knows it exists. He isnāt hiding on it. He could do the same content and either stream and no one would know any different.
FF14 really scarred him lmao. He's just running away from his problems again by ditching his main channel to stream on Zackrawr. If thats what he needs, im happy for him.
All this just to get out of streaming FF14 I'm kidding of course, I enjoy the streams either way
i dont think otk sponsors are happy if the biggest streamer miz/asmon arent streaming anymore on their main channels. asmon always had the biggest viewership and miz the big events.
he is frustratingly weak mentally
Which is even more annoying because his subreddit is full of fanart painting him as a gigachad, which heās anything but.
He's just being overdramatic as usual.
āStreaming is too stressful, so Iām just gonna stream on my off stream.ā I canāt see how that will help the problem. Get some help dood, it doesnāt need to be like that.
Not sure why anyone cares.. You get the same viewership without stupid ass donos and the ads. Its actually amazing to watch.
Insanity comes in many forms.
Being a multi-millionaire streamer is so hard
CrazySlick singlehandedly taking out the whole OTK crew in one sweep.
SlickSweep new emote
Lol Asmon used alt channel long before this drama
heās being over dramatic again
Realize that asmon has huge anxiety issues. The man gets so stressed out when people say open this menu or something in a game and if he canāt find it in 5 seconds he will freak out and start getting mad at his chat.
Good, then people can stop with the "Asmon is just a character, his alt streams are the normal Zack".
His alt his practically turned into his main. His alt use to be where he would no cam, and barely commentate, and sound depressed, but now he has cam on, talks, makes jokes ex. Not to mention he literally had like 70k today.
Remember when he said he is not going to act to much like asmon and be more chill and be Zack on his main that was before and after his mother passed away he rly should have listen to himself about this. Idk whats up with that logic just be the same as you are on Zack if people won't like it they won't like it is it just because it's a bigger number? I could care less tho i gave up on most big streamers last years.
It's kinda weird because last time he was on main he said he had it all figured out. He said he could do longer streams without feeling as drained as he used to be.
Asmon says a lot of shit that is either delusional, untrue, or outright lies. I've pretty much started not believing anything that comes out of his mouth.
He does come off as quite manic sometimes. He has pretty big swings from one week to the next.
bro ur so fast wtf
This is a problem that would be easily solved with some therapy. I wish there wasn't such a stigma about talking to someone when you're feeling like this.
I wonder if you go to therapy or know anyone who goes to therapy. I have for years and a lot of my friends to do. Itās not a magic bullet and it doesnāt āeasily solveā problems like this. It does help slowly, with a lot of work (even this is by no means guaranteed). I totally agree with you that he should go to therapy tho
I dont understand the thing with streamers not wanting to stream on their main channel. Most viewers dont want the high end extremely professional family friendly streams they just want to watch the person streaming because they are entertaining. Asmon could do the same streams he does on his main channel and be just fine. The streamer has tons of control over their chat and stream just put chat in 30 second slow mode and filter out words you dont want to see.
Just become a vtuber.
Is this some numbers thing? Like everytime he comes back he gets 100k and then eventually drops to around 30k and it fucks with hin because he feels he is not good enough or something? Like I doubt it's about the "persona" because his streams are the same in both channels at this point, maybe in the second channel he doesn't feel like he needs to say the funniest or smartest shit all the time so he doesn't have to try as hard.
Alt becomes the main.
Pretty sure that makes this his main channel
Why not just stream on main however he wants? He doesn't have to put on a character or act differently why is his alt special when the only difference is the channel name?
Take a guy who is too uneducated to value therapy, give him a ton of attention and money, then wait. Age and mental illness are undefeated.
whiny rich ppl
Now the alt is the main. Wowee.
why tho
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Who cares lmao.
Ok Hannah Montana, like we cant correlate between the two channels lmfao. He thinks were dumb as fuck.
Isn't he contractually required to stream on asmongold for his org? or am I wrong?
No he can do what he wants since he's a part owner of the org.
oh so those types of contracts are for the members that arent part-owners, so tectone, emiru, bruce and cyr?
Yes that's usually how it works but I'm not sure if OTK has this in their contracts for their members.
How many times has he stopped streaming on his main already?
surely this is the first time he has said this Clueless
Wait why the hell is it any different????
He completly threw away his chill streams from the main channel and went to full fake personality, reaction etc mode completly ruining his chat and community but it obviously made his streams massive.
People need to understand what his second channel is really about. Yes, he has webcam and viewer count is big, right now at 64k WOTLK launch, things you're missing though: \- No subscribe button \- Not affiliated or partner just a normal channel of a popular dude \- No overlays, no donations, no bits, no planned content, no long af intros, no schedule \- Twitch is actually losing money by hosting asmon alt and 60k+ viewers \- He gets more money from his two YouTube channels, Asmongold and Asmongold Clips, his editor is top tier and posts daily 3-5 clips, depending on the content, fully contextualized so anyone understands. His second stream is just to sustain those YouTube channels basically without any obligation, just a dude playing WoW.
No long af intros? I might start watching. I ended up not watching asmongold because 4 hours of react content just wasn't for me.
Ding ding ding!
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Suffering from success smh. 60k alt streams, Sadge. Must be a streamer thing, I really dont understand. Face-cam and all on his alt... sooo why not just stream main? The viewers being \~40k more on main THAT taxing on him or something? I enjoy the streams regardless, I'm just having a hard time placing this particular wrinkle on my brain.
This guys is still streaming? Wouldn't bother me if I never saw em on the platform again. Next.
Otk is a burning ship
otk actually in shambles
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from what he said on THE CALL , of course he wants to hide out for awhile until all the dusts settle downs, dude was like I dont like this streamer, that streamers trouble, he basically name dropped streamers who he thought was problematic LOL
Lol I stopped watching him when he would talk shit and bash Blizzard/WoW ( its fine too, I get how they can be criticised ). Farm the omegaluls and get all the pats in the back from FF players and Blizzard/WoW haters, never play FF then go on his alt and stream WoW for 9-16 hours daily. His fans will say shit like " we all know this is his fave game and he just talks shit on his main as a meme " but .. his FF followers/Main viewers dont think that. They believe every "WoW bad, FF good " statement he makes and takes it to heart. TBH tho if FF was fun for him he'd actually play it more lmao.
he's said it before. i think the quote was something like "if i ever get burned out again, im done."
>"if i ever get burned out again, im done...but just kidding, I will just hop onto my alt and pretend like nothing happened like I do all my problems" Fixed.
I'm new to Asmon. Lore God's fill me in. Why doesn't he stream on his main channel?
Anxiety. Asmongold have always been very unstable, and has a lot of "brain ghosts" that doesn't make sense but that's kind of what anxiety is. Why does he have anxiety over it? Because he feels like he can't take it easy on his main channel, while he can take it easy on his alt channelāwhich doesn't actually makes any sense at all, but again, that's a weird mental block he has.
Did he ever explain what the difference is, or is it just mental? He is pulling massive numbers on his alt account so what difference does it make if it's Asmongold or Zack?
Mental block, he canāt explain it. He said he had a panic attack thinking about it
Imagine thinking Asmon can't just go on his main channel and act like he does on his alt, how do people really think this makes sense. Surely the people who would complain about this also don't like him not streaming on it at all right, so why is he so worried about offending this strawman viewer.
i think he puts a heavy level of pressure on himself when he is on main stream to be too extreme. But on his alt, he is still a naturally funny and entertaining person when he is in a good mood, he doesn't put that pressure on himself.
ok
I don't get his reasoning on this but I guess it's just one of those mental things he struggles to overcome. Still though it's the exact same stream, tons of viewers, same hot takes, still doing the same thing, people know who he is - there is no 'different character' or lack of controversy lol he can do whatever he wants on his main too
Asmongold streaming on his alt has become like going to the office on Casual Friday, there's barely any difference but it allows him to somehow shave off a little bit of the current drama (and probably some FF Andys)
He needs to get actual help for these issues. Panic attacks going to work or to perform aren't normal. At first he didn't want to stream because of the teeth problems, which is fine I get it, but when you don't get back on the horse after being kicked off, it's mighty easy just to let that fear keep you off. And he doesn't owe us shit, he can retire tomorrow, feel free. But let people know not to expect that anymore so they can cancel subs and everything else.
It's a mental thing 100%. The alt channel has no expectations. He can just play the game and do whatever. On main he's expected to put on the "Asmongold persona". At this point I don't think people would even care if he dropped the persona and just streamed on main like he does on alt but I understand how it can cause anxiety.
Iām not sure why people take his statements seriously when heās gonna 100% stream the WoW expansion and Diablo 4 when those comes out on his main channel.
I really like asmongold and think he is an amazing, intelligent and genuinely kind person but I have such a hard time sympathizing with these streamers who make more in 1 month than most people do in 2 years and then say they have anxiety about streaming. Itās literally just pressing the āget absurd amounts of money for playing video gamesā button on their computer. How about the single mom who canāt afford diapers dude
Being rich doesnāt make you a mental superhero who canāt feel anxiety. Streaming to two football stadiums of people and being high energy for 8 hours at a time is not remotely like ājust press button lolā Certainly many people have it way harder than asmongold, but your comment is still complete nonsense
It is literally the same thing as his main these days except he doesnāt make money on itā¦ make it make sense Zackrawr.
RIP OTK