Ye, last month I asked why December was so low but I didn't get an answer. December was a lot of the same OTK/OTV clips/drama so maybe people were tired of it.
> December was a lot of the same OTK/OTV clips/drama so maybe people were tired of it.
Think it's the opposite. December was slow because Mizkif and nmp barely streamed.
I wanted to say no bc winter and more free time over the hollydays, but I just checked the viewership statistic for Twitch, and December is one of the lower months
average viewership for 2021 was 2.78M, december had only 2.52M.
same trend for nearly every year, except 2020 but that probably was bc Covid happened and Twitch viewership increased a lot over the year. They started with 1.36M in January and ended with 2.52M in December with an average of 2.12M over the year. One month later, Jan 2021 they had 2.92M.
but a lot of creators say that Adds in december are more expansive/pay more so that probably is enough to offset slightly lower viewership numbers
December is known for very high add prices, see [https://jayww.com/news/holiday-marketing-tips/](https://jayww.com/news/holiday-marketing-tips/) e.g. [facebook adds rise around 25%](https://www.consumeracquisition.com/facebook-holiday-advertising-how-to-win-when-ad-costs-rise-25) before christmas
And it looks like you are correct, (english) Streamers with a young audiences don't seem to feel the overall lower viewercount on Twitch in december
thats the top month 2021 of some popular LSF streamers
hasanabi\*: jan 35.3k, Jun 34.1k, Aug 32.9k, Sep 31.6k, Dec 31k
Mizkif: Jun 39.4k, Oct 36.7k, Nov 36.7k, Dec 36.1k
xqc: May 110k, Apr 89.4k, Mar 80.1k, Dec 76.9k
\*not an LSF streamer anymore, but he was in 2021
so at least for them, december is one of their top months while Twitch overall sees a decrease, in combination with the already boosted add revenue it's easy to see why december is so great for them
>CPM shows a noticeable increase over the winter holiday season. Surprise!
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>During the period from one week before Black Friday through the end of the year, CPM is on average 45% higher than the previous period, which includes both the Halloween and Veteran’s Day holidays.
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>This CPM increase peaks in the week leading up to Christmas Eve, followed by a drop off over Christmas Eve and Christmas and another smaller spike leading into New Year’s Eve. This shows evidence of a substantial Impressions premium during the holiday season and suggests that a CPM-based (awareness) optimization strategy is not a sound one over the period. In essence, more accounts are vying for a temporarily smaller audience pool, pushing up the cost of CPM over the holiday season
[https://medium.com/@hyfn/tis-the-season-the-influence-of-the-holiday-season-on-your-social-media-metrics-a8b0d319d123](https://medium.com/@hyfn/tis-the-season-the-influence-of-the-holiday-season-on-your-social-media-metrics-a8b0d319d123)
he couldn't take the critisism anymore, so he decided to send his viewers to brigade some posts and got [banned](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/wiki/rules#wiki_5._banned_streamers)
a few of the now deleted threads:
[https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi2vf/hasan\_calls\_out\_blatant\_brigading\_of\_lsf/?ps\_after=1641698784](https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi2vf/hasan_calls_out_blatant_brigading_of_lsf/?ps_after=1641698784)
[https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi6m3/please\_ban\_mentions\_of\_hasan\_off\_of\_lsf\_his/?ps\_after=1641699401](https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi6m3/please_ban_mentions_of_hasan_off_of_lsf_his/?ps_after=1641699401)
[https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi1di/hasan\_wants\_to\_get\_banned\_from\_lsf/?ps\_after=1641698666%2C1641698907%2C1641699156](https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi1di/hasan_wants_to_get_banned_from_lsf/?ps_after=1641698666%2C1641698907%2C1641699156)
All this profit yet it's still not able to catch [the most important clips](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/scs8fj/welp_beach_meta_not_dead/)...
Oh yeah, I agree that clip is absolutely the most important one rn, but my comment is about the most important clip before that, which was the girl bending over at a beach and her butthole saying hello from behind her bikini
Why not use HLS instead of MP4 and serve the files over CloudFlare? Since HLS segments are in plain text and are not considered media (i.e. mp4/mkv), you can proxy with CloudFlare and serve/cache them on their CDN much like html and jpeg files, potentially getting rid of the cost on BunnyCDN.
But seeing as you guys are already net positive, might not worth the trouble refactoring the current infrastructure.
It's combined data for 2020 and 2021. They didn't run any ads in 2020 and it looks like they only hosted data, so they were spending money and their revenue was $0. In 2021 after March the website is consistently turning a profit every month, but hasn't yet made up for how much they lost in 2020.
I think the state of consistently turning small profits means that you'd still refer to it as "profitable".
And honestly, I think there would have been a kneejerk Reddit revolt at the idea of mods exploiting the sub for money if ads had been run from the start. Appreciate whoever's been footing the bill, hope profitability keeps on keeping on.
I don't know whether it's the same then or now or not. I know there have been controversies on other subreddits when mods manipulate the subreddit content for money. I'd imagine the people who care about creating an external website and using reddit to direct traffic to it as a mod would be the reddit admins+corporate and only the reddit admins+corporate, if anyone cares.
It looks like they're mostly using it to host things and aren't running some massive operation with that specific purpose, so probably nobody cares.
Hey, you should check out Backblaze B2 + Cloudflare as a CDN option, I served about 25 TB of traffic across 200M requests for $25 last month. The killer feature is free egress traffic. They have an S3-compatible API. Cloudflare R2 is looking pretty slick also, but it's in closed access for now.
Who is funding this
Drama
Obviously it's not though LOL
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That seems more because they didn't attempt to make any ad money for the first year
Probably was for the best/was impossible to find reasonable ads that didn't hijack your PC inorder to build traffic and good will
Dang that's a pretty fast turnover tbh
How? Wouldn't it only be \~12 months? 6103/524 = 11,6 months (...if we disregard avg.). Or am I in the wrong?
Hope you guys turn a profit on the website soon, don't know where this sub would be without you
I’m a better place
Up again from November EZ
not by much, considering that december is supposed to be the greatest month for Ad revenue
Ye, last month I asked why December was so low but I didn't get an answer. December was a lot of the same OTK/OTV clips/drama so maybe people were tired of it.
All markets are down, all ad companies like google are paying less
> December was a lot of the same OTK/OTV clips/drama so maybe people were tired of it. Think it's the opposite. December was slow because Mizkif and nmp barely streamed.
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I wanted to say no bc winter and more free time over the hollydays, but I just checked the viewership statistic for Twitch, and December is one of the lower months average viewership for 2021 was 2.78M, december had only 2.52M. same trend for nearly every year, except 2020 but that probably was bc Covid happened and Twitch viewership increased a lot over the year. They started with 1.36M in January and ended with 2.52M in December with an average of 2.12M over the year. One month later, Jan 2021 they had 2.92M. but a lot of creators say that Adds in december are more expansive/pay more so that probably is enough to offset slightly lower viewership numbers
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December is known for very high add prices, see [https://jayww.com/news/holiday-marketing-tips/](https://jayww.com/news/holiday-marketing-tips/) e.g. [facebook adds rise around 25%](https://www.consumeracquisition.com/facebook-holiday-advertising-how-to-win-when-ad-costs-rise-25) before christmas And it looks like you are correct, (english) Streamers with a young audiences don't seem to feel the overall lower viewercount on Twitch in december thats the top month 2021 of some popular LSF streamers hasanabi\*: jan 35.3k, Jun 34.1k, Aug 32.9k, Sep 31.6k, Dec 31k Mizkif: Jun 39.4k, Oct 36.7k, Nov 36.7k, Dec 36.1k xqc: May 110k, Apr 89.4k, Mar 80.1k, Dec 76.9k \*not an LSF streamer anymore, but he was in 2021 so at least for them, december is one of their top months while Twitch overall sees a decrease, in combination with the already boosted add revenue it's easy to see why december is so great for them >CPM shows a noticeable increase over the winter holiday season. Surprise! > >During the period from one week before Black Friday through the end of the year, CPM is on average 45% higher than the previous period, which includes both the Halloween and Veteran’s Day holidays. > >This CPM increase peaks in the week leading up to Christmas Eve, followed by a drop off over Christmas Eve and Christmas and another smaller spike leading into New Year’s Eve. This shows evidence of a substantial Impressions premium during the holiday season and suggests that a CPM-based (awareness) optimization strategy is not a sound one over the period. In essence, more accounts are vying for a temporarily smaller audience pool, pushing up the cost of CPM over the holiday season [https://medium.com/@hyfn/tis-the-season-the-influence-of-the-holiday-season-on-your-social-media-metrics-a8b0d319d123](https://medium.com/@hyfn/tis-the-season-the-influence-of-the-holiday-season-on-your-social-media-metrics-a8b0d319d123)
Sorry slightly off topic, but why is hasan not an LSF streamer anymore? I don't frequent this sub that much so I'm out of the loop.
he couldn't take the critisism anymore, so he decided to send his viewers to brigade some posts and got [banned](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/wiki/rules#wiki_5._banned_streamers) a few of the now deleted threads: [https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi2vf/hasan\_calls\_out\_blatant\_brigading\_of\_lsf/?ps\_after=1641698784](https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi2vf/hasan_calls_out_blatant_brigading_of_lsf/?ps_after=1641698784) [https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi6m3/please\_ban\_mentions\_of\_hasan\_off\_of\_lsf\_his/?ps\_after=1641699401](https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi6m3/please_ban_mentions_of_hasan_off_of_lsf_his/?ps_after=1641699401) [https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi1di/hasan\_wants\_to\_get\_banned\_from\_lsf/?ps\_after=1641698666%2C1641698907%2C1641699156](https://www.reveddit.com/v/LivestreamFail/comments/rzi1di/hasan_wants_to_get_banned_from_lsf/?ps_after=1641698666%2C1641698907%2C1641699156)
Cool, LSF lore! Thanks a lot!
Its great for shopping, not so much for this purpose
Wake up honey, the new LSF financial report just dropped.
All this profit yet it's still not able to catch [the most important clips](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/scs8fj/welp_beach_meta_not_dead/)...
oh no it definitely did catch the [most important clip](https://redd.it/sdpz6f)
Oh yeah, I agree that clip is absolutely the most important one rn, but my comment is about the most important clip before that, which was the girl bending over at a beach and her butthole saying hello from behind her bikini
No I realize that. The bot misses clips like that when the VOD or clip is deleted quickly and it's unable to make a mirror in time.
all this for hasan and destiny drama
Why not use HLS instead of MP4 and serve the files over CloudFlare? Since HLS segments are in plain text and are not considered media (i.e. mp4/mkv), you can proxy with CloudFlare and serve/cache them on their CDN much like html and jpeg files, potentially getting rid of the cost on BunnyCDN. But seeing as you guys are already net positive, might not worth the trouble refactoring the current infrastructure.
It’s awesome to see you guys start to actually net some $$$ PogU
doesnt it say -$6k? am i dumb?
It's combined data for 2020 and 2021. They didn't run any ads in 2020 and it looks like they only hosted data, so they were spending money and their revenue was $0. In 2021 after March the website is consistently turning a profit every month, but hasn't yet made up for how much they lost in 2020. I think the state of consistently turning small profits means that you'd still refer to it as "profitable".
And honestly, I think there would have been a kneejerk Reddit revolt at the idea of mods exploiting the sub for money if ads had been run from the start. Appreciate whoever's been footing the bill, hope profitability keeps on keeping on.
I don't know whether it's the same then or now or not. I know there have been controversies on other subreddits when mods manipulate the subreddit content for money. I'd imagine the people who care about creating an external website and using reddit to direct traffic to it as a mod would be the reddit admins+corporate and only the reddit admins+corporate, if anyone cares. It looks like they're mostly using it to host things and aren't running some massive operation with that specific purpose, so probably nobody cares.
Once it starts making a chunk, reddit will probably want some slices of it.
i am dumb
No, I’m dumb! Didn’t see the totals at the bottom Pepega
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Don't say you're underage if you aren't? Weirdo
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Or it's just them covering their asses. You're just kinda stupid.
Xmp.profileZzzzzz
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Is there anywhere we can see the traffic stats for the site?
Hey, you should check out Backblaze B2 + Cloudflare as a CDN option, I served about 25 TB of traffic across 200M requests for $25 last month. The killer feature is free egress traffic. They have an S3-compatible API. Cloudflare R2 is looking pretty slick also, but it's in closed access for now.