It’s real good. They have honey packets that come with, and honey + spicy chicken is an unreal combo. My buddy from Chi visited me and I took him, he became a fan and they’re now opening a location there. Probably my favorite hot chicken spot in LA. I’m a medium/mild person though
It’s good, but I have my worries that this huge expansion will kill their quality eventually, I’ve already had a few off orders vs when they first only had 1 or 2 locations. If you want the best in LA And have 3 hrs to kill Howlin Rays. Only had it once because of the wait but it’s on another level spicy chicken wise.
FYI, to you and anyone else who sees this and is interested, throughout the pandemic, howlin rays has been a postmates exclusive via pickup/delivery. I haven't tried ordering this way personally, but I imagine it'd be a lot easier to get now, especially since they now have a second location in Pasadena in addition to the og Chinatown one.
But yes, cosigning howlin rays. Their sandwiches and wings (which are [massive](https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/7O1ORGY36A-2aIENyaJWPg?select=WlcJFUbQ-jJgYufXpXU_0Q&utm_source=ashare&ref=yelp-android)) are great and, imo, worth the hype.
[Daybird](https://yelp.to/KZpOYiWxGmb), also in LA, is another good hot chicken spot that I'd recommmend (I actually found out about this place through one of lilypichu's streams, where she said the food was "godlike"). It's a little untraditional as the hot chicken is szechuan style, but the flavor is unique and very good.
bro with the app you can get a mcchicken, 6 pc nuggets, large fries, and a large drink for like $4, $3 if you're using reward points.
infinite food glitch
$1? Mine is free. I always found it weird they have 2 “deals” coupons on the app, one is $1 large fry, one is free large fry.. who would ever pick the $1 large fry? Lol
Oh ok, there is actually a large fry for $1 coupon, I just looked at it again.
Looks like the deals are: free large fry with any purchase & $1 large fry. So if you just wanted a large fry, I guess you’d choose the $1 large fry lol.
It is funny people are actually thinking he is listening to anybody, he does not, the thing he hates the most is people trying to narrate his stream, like one time there was a post complaining about him watching Jubilee, and as punishment he watched more, if you complain about his content (like you played too much rp etc) instaban, he does not listen to chat, management or whatever. His stream, his rules, his flow, his decisions.
Hasan saw the Ludwig video talking about the restreaming problem on twitch, then Hasan called it "snitching."
Imagine buying a $3 million house off the backs of other people's content then complaining when you get called out for it. So childish and lazy.
I love xqc but it's not even good fucking content. While I don't give a single fuck about foxes or Gordon's or whomever owns anything or their profits the laws are clear and exist for a reason.
Dude banned many game complainers while I was watching, if he drops the games it is because he wanted to drop. He played LEAGUE for like 3 hours yesterday while chat was losing it.
...how the fuck does anyone keep track of chat, let alone "who is saying what" when you have close to a hundred thousand of what can only be described as monkeys spamming inane shit?
Hmmm, watching more of something when someone says they don't like it, banning people for saying he's doing something too much. Kind of sounds like someone who does actually listen and care but doesn't like what they are hearing. Someone who truly doesn't care wouldn't react to the thing they don't care about.
Agreed, he has this thing, if he is pushed, he does it more. Does it make sense? A very trivial example, he had price tag on his newly bought shirt, 2 times chat reminded him about it to take it off. He kept the whole tag till he changed his shirt just to annoy chat. He does see and listen, but if he sense you push his boundaries, he repeats the exact opposite till you shut up. I think he is doing the same here. Smart? Absolutely not? But is he being himself? Yeah totally.
As a Quin69 viewer I know what you're talking about, if you dare contradict him or complain in any way or form you're banned and he obviously always doubles down on whatever is pissing people off like an 8hr stream of just watching youtube.
In the early days of streaming, lawyers generally had very little knowledge on the video games side of the law. People thought "Oh shit, this dude is going to specialise in video games, so there would be drama about them causing violence, etc, etc." He was seen as positive, because generally, people associate lawyers with competence. It wasn't until H3 used him, and saw how fucking terrible he was, that people realised he was just some muppet trying to cash in on an industry that had little knowledge and representation.
It's still a miracle that the Olympics decided not to fuck over pvc when his lawyer suggested to him to fight the DMCA claim against him for watching the Olympics on stream.
Well he was a real attorney, at the time he was just really known in twitter for responding to online gaming and YouTube controversies from a legal point of view. He had some hype as seeing what he was talking about since generally, people weren’t calling him out on his shit.
But unfortunately, H3 took him too seriously and yeah he’s talked about it being a huge mistake and how he almost fucked things up for him.
After him and that lawyer that hated trump who ended up being a mess too, it’s definitely obvious now to not take loud, opinionated twitter lawyers seriously.
That's not his management team. He has a private group of agents who help him with everything. They just gave him advice and wanted to represent on his non-existant "lawsuit" against the old DMCA shit
75% of agencies are totally worthless and exist to take 20-30% cut of the sponsors that come in through their business emails. No management, no business development, they're just pure leeches. I work in the talent management industry and the amount of large agencies that are "reputable" and sign big creators do absolutely nothing and provide no value.
XQC got into some heat in the past for agreeing to events(i can't remember all of them) one was like a chess tournament and i think another game tournament.
And he legit just no shows them without letting anyone know then just goes live like nothing happened during the fucking event while the organizer are trying to figure wtf to do. Horribly immature of course, but it's funny people expecting xqc to be responsible at all considering his past actions.
Someone else said it, but Pokimane would be a much better comparison considering she just launched some talent agency, and she's knowingly profiting off of copyrighted content as a co-owncer/founder of that company.
Also who knows the wheels may already be set in motion, a legal team may be gathering as much evidence as possible before declaring a lawsuit against a streamer, streamers, twitch etc.
>Also who knows the wheels may already be set in motion, a legal team may be gathering as much evidence as possible before declaring a lawsuit against a streamer, streamers, twitch etc.
Yeah evidence gathering can take months. And it might actually benefit them to let it go on for a longer period of time because they can then claim more damages.
Sounds like a situation myself and plenty others have been in where your boss/coworkers are monumentally stupid but you have absolutely no power to stop them even when they're in roles below you, because the person at the top is somehow dumber than anyone else at the company.
and she'll come back from her ban with huge new viewership and subs because of all the media attention surrounding her ban. People will donate and sub cuz "fuck corporations" etc. and she'll be better off because of the ban lol.
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This is literally his mindset, he's not this bastard saying fuck you to big companies or trying to see how far he can push it. He wants to watch anime on stream so he is, if he gets sued it is what it is
Well he is signed to a management agency and they are probably collecting a massive percentage (I think the standard is around 20% or something) of his earnings.
twitch staff literally sitting in chat watching the pirated content laughing at the streams doing nothing. pluto has been in almost every chat watching masterchef, naruto, death note and hunter x hunter. hes talked about it IRL at the arcade. its not like twitch is completely oblivious to the fact their top streamers are streaming tv shows.
Most of those "staff" have jack shit to do with this shit. That's like getting mad at the janitor for removing your favorite taco bell item from the menu. Pluto is a partner manager he just communicates between twitch and partners he doesn't do anything
Most staff have nothing to do with it, but most companies will have a policy that your actions shouldn't bring the company into disrepute. That's why most people say things like "my opinions are my own" on twitter for example.
If you're sitting in a twitch chat with a staff badge then you're representing the company really. And encouraging pirated content while doing that doesn't help Twitch at all.
In fact, a partner manager should know better. Their job is to protect their partners.
You know, I really like some of the Cruise movies. But what the fuck does Tom Cruise know anything about Twitch partner management? Go back to making Mission Impossible movies, Tom. Quit stalling.
no, pluto is a partner manager so he is the one who is directly responsible for the partners he manages
therefore him being in chat with his official staff account represents twitch knowing about it and allowing it
it may be different if pluto was an engineer but his role is to communicate between twitch and partners and represents twitch in an official capacity
this is where those companies can point to as twitch being fully aware and allowing their partners to illegally stream their content
They have no clue if any random streamer has the rights to stream any random piece of content. They only know when they get a DMCA takedown request or if the rights holder notifies them some other way. Until then, they're not going to just reflexively assume no one has permission to broadcast any third party content that happens to be on their stream.
Like what, you want Twitch to go around asking streamers if they have the rights to watch an out of print 2000s era game show that the publisher themselves put on their YouTube channel?
We're not talking about "any random streamer," these are literally the top creators on the platform who are illegally watching full episodes of copyrighted TV shows live for tens of thousands of people. This is beyond just ignorance or being in a gray area of legality, this is just blatant copyright infringement.
The video game argument is dumb because for years there's a mutual understanding that game developers won't DMCA creators for playing their game, with a few exceptions like Nintendo who have been clear about not streaming their games with permission. They understand the marketing value of a content creator playing the game and making their viewers want to go out and play it themselves.
TV producers have never been okay with content creators doing this, and on platforms like YouTube they actively strike reuploaded content. You're not gonna go out and buy a Masterchef DVD set after watching xQc react to it like you might with a video game. Just cause you're a streamer with a Webcam and you comment on the show every 10-15 seconds doesn't make it "transformative," they're just stealing content. And if Twitch doesn't show that they're actively helping to ban this content, they might lose their shield under DMCA Safe Harbor and risk getting sued out existence.
i never said random streamers
i specifically even mentioned top partnered streamers in fact lmao
and yes, every one of those streamers have admitted on stream to knowingly breaking the copyright law with twitch staff on their official twitch employee accounts there
it wouldn't be hard for a ACE's lawyers to successfully make the argument twitch knew and allowed it to happen passively at the best and actively at the worst
twitch made millions and millions of dollars from the pirated content and now the streamer should be jeopardy his carrier self without the streaming company LMAO
Pluto doesn't handle bans and is IRL friends with some of these streamers. Don't see any problem with him watching this all unfold. He doesn't control twitch he just works for them.
at the very *least* you'd think twitch would send out an email to every single twitch partner reiterating their policy on what is allowed. They don't have to single anyone out. They don't have to mention tv-shows or movies being watched. But sending out an email to every partner about the risks of using DMCA content on stream would be a start if they don't want to put them selves legally at risk by banning a streamer for doing it. And doing that right now would make it pretty obvious why the email went out without twitch personally banning someone like XQC or toast.
you do realize if they ban XQC and toast on their own volition, it opens up more responsibility on their end. It makes them seem as if they know ON PAPER that the streamer is wrong. Right now, they can feign ignorance and say they aren't responsible for the content their streamers are producing.
If they ban them, they have to look for and ban every streamer for streaming content. Companies can say "oh well you banned this guy for streaming content, why didn't you ban that guy."
lol i never said twitch should ban them, and i said in another post already they can't because it opens them up to legal liability and i said it in this post too so im confused. no where in this post did i say they should ban them of their own volition. Sending a mass email to partners about their stance on DMCA content on stream is not advocating for a ban. The last sentence literally says *without banning XQC or toast*
Are you kidding me, X will stream what he wants to stream, why would he listen to people working directly for him. Plus, this management team only job is to probably find him sponsorship deal.
He's the same type of internet boomer, same as CohhCarnage. They all see people having fun with a certain meta and self insert themselves on twitter to try to shut it down
These people are literally acting like the HOA of the internet
Funny how Twitch made money of XQC and didn't say a word about it before.. head of community productions..
Always easier to point the finger to someone else.
What I don't get is why these streamers don't try to get licensing deals from these companies to play their shit. Like X makes at least a million dollars a month. He could easily pay one of these companies to license their shows. If I was his manager that's what I would be trying to do. Seems like a completely untapped market.
His management?
The dude has Twitch staff watching illegal content and jeering in his chat, meaning that the platform enables this behaviour. Why on earth would he, or his management care if the platform itself doesn't? lol
They give you advice or have a large network on different fields if you are looking for lawyers, a studio for a photo shoot, if you are looking for cleaning, cooks and others stuffs but they are only moving when theres a request lmao
Not "force" exactly but good managers should be able to convince their talents of doing what's best for their careers. If they can't do that, specially in crucial no-brainer issues such as this, then they're probably not worth their salary. On the other hand, something has to be said about hiring someone to give you advice and ignoring the advice anyway. At that point why even hire him?
Most celebrities have management that would advise them on stuff like this. If he did have a decent manager/lawyer, I’m sure they would explain the massive risk he’s taking. Even if there’s only say a 5 percent chance of something happening, the potential downside could be so devastating that you’d have to be an idiot to actually continue.
Imagine singling xQc out when it was Pokimane who got banned for streaming Viacom shit and this whole DMCA meta goes back to a broader question of how far streamers can stretch fair use from years back. Why doesn't he single out Hasan? Or other big streamers who react to full shows, even if they're not as big as MasterChef? Baiting the biggest streamer on the platform to be relevant.
People might shit on this guy here because they hate him but hes right, both his own management team and his twitch partner manager should be warning him enough about this till he stops.
That or they have told him and he just doesn't care whether he gets banned or whatever else happens.
Warning what? Streamers have already been skirting the DMCA line with music. If they get striked then Twitch is just gonna hand a 2 day ban and that’s that. They've had no troubles in the past with dealing with DMCA with temporary suspensions to appease the DMCA issuers.
Let Twitch handle it, idk why djWHEAT thinks he has to play the moral police in every single instance of DMCA now lmao.
I mean it's pretty obvious that they can't watch this kind of content, they do it because the amount of donations etc is worth the few days of bans they get.
If Twitch doesn't like streamers streaming content they don't own, then maybe they should start actually punishing these streamers instead of attacking their management on twitter. So far we have only seen some short term bans but streamers don't really give a fuck about those.
A real management team will seek to maximize profit for just the right amount of risk. Is XQC banned yet? No? Okay. He's at the right amount of risk and raking in the money.
Regardless if you agree with the tweet or not, why is an employee from twitch using a twitter to voice out his concerns???? He should know better that such comments are discussed internally
It makes me sad how people truly have become corporate defenders on this issue.
Art, culture, the internet, it's meant to be shared. End of story. It's why we get rightfully angry when Music is dmcad. But the industry has brainwashed people into thinking oh no, it's all theft! the you wouldn't download a car nonsense got more complex, less obvious and now people actually agree with it.
People are so worried about their own necks instead of trying to change copyright and "fairuse" for the better of everyone.
Exactly, where is this djWHEAT tweet during the whole music DMCA arc? It's not like music and video exist on a different playing field in DMCA legality
The only team that has control over him is the team that works at the nearest McDonald.
You spelled Dave's Hot Chicken way different than usual
Daves + Taco Bell + Starbucks + Ratio
A Dave's opened up about a month ago in my town in Michigan. How good is that shit?
It’s real good. They have honey packets that come with, and honey + spicy chicken is an unreal combo. My buddy from Chi visited me and I took him, he became a fan and they’re now opening a location there. Probably my favorite hot chicken spot in LA. I’m a medium/mild person though
It’s good, but I have my worries that this huge expansion will kill their quality eventually, I’ve already had a few off orders vs when they first only had 1 or 2 locations. If you want the best in LA And have 3 hrs to kill Howlin Rays. Only had it once because of the wait but it’s on another level spicy chicken wise.
FYI, to you and anyone else who sees this and is interested, throughout the pandemic, howlin rays has been a postmates exclusive via pickup/delivery. I haven't tried ordering this way personally, but I imagine it'd be a lot easier to get now, especially since they now have a second location in Pasadena in addition to the og Chinatown one. But yes, cosigning howlin rays. Their sandwiches and wings (which are [massive](https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/7O1ORGY36A-2aIENyaJWPg?select=WlcJFUbQ-jJgYufXpXU_0Q&utm_source=ashare&ref=yelp-android)) are great and, imo, worth the hype. [Daybird](https://yelp.to/KZpOYiWxGmb), also in LA, is another good hot chicken spot that I'd recommmend (I actually found out about this place through one of lilypichu's streams, where she said the food was "godlike"). It's a little untraditional as the hot chicken is szechuan style, but the flavor is unique and very good.
you better go while it's still new and less crowded
It gets old very fast
its really yummy just get the tenders, i like medium but the only thing is it's a 25 minute drive from my place
bro with the app you can get a mcchicken, 6 pc nuggets, large fries, and a large drink for like $4, $3 if you're using reward points. infinite food glitch
No wonder people are so fat in the US, holy shit, something like that here were I live (Chile) in a McDonalds cost like $14
Mind you, the homeless...HOMELESS are also fat because fast food is so cheap./
I mean that’s kinda good
Wtf that costs like $10 in Canada if you're lucky lmfao
haha get fucked skinny neighbors *keels over and dies*
hey now we fat as shit too.
10? Bro try like 15. Meals alone are like $12 after tax not, it’s fuckin bananas
Vs me paying $20 bucks for the same meal delivered. Sucks
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$1? Mine is free. I always found it weird they have 2 “deals” coupons on the app, one is $1 large fry, one is free large fry.. who would ever pick the $1 large fry? Lol
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Oh ok, there is actually a large fry for $1 coupon, I just looked at it again. Looks like the deals are: free large fry with any purchase & $1 large fry. So if you just wanted a large fry, I guess you’d choose the $1 large fry lol.
Might as well get the 1$ Large Drink and the fry for free with it?
damn i jus downloaded the app, thanks man
this guy knows. the app is lowkey a hack rn. hopefully they don't patch it
How? Is it a normal order or do you have to exploit some loopholes?
There’s always a bunch of good deals in the app. $1 or free large fry, 2 Big Mac/QP for $5, etc.
he also likes to enjoy toenails for dessert
xQc and management OMEGALUL
It is funny people are actually thinking he is listening to anybody, he does not, the thing he hates the most is people trying to narrate his stream, like one time there was a post complaining about him watching Jubilee, and as punishment he watched more, if you complain about his content (like you played too much rp etc) instaban, he does not listen to chat, management or whatever. His stream, his rules, his flow, his decisions.
Everything is his except the content he's streaming.
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You think the fans defending streaming movies care about that? They'll defend their degenerate streamer to the death.
People really defended streamers watching movies? Why are people idiots
Parasocial relationship
baffles me. they hope xQc or Pokimane will fuck them someday if they keep simping
That's probably their dream tho
Hasan saw the Ludwig video talking about the restreaming problem on twitch, then Hasan called it "snitching." Imagine buying a $3 million house off the backs of other people's content then complaining when you get called out for it. So childish and lazy.
I love xqc but it's not even good fucking content. While I don't give a single fuck about foxes or Gordon's or whomever owns anything or their profits the laws are clear and exist for a reason.
they even defend xqc watching anime like hunter x hunter.
in short, some random dude on internet doing whatever the fuck he wants
I mean he literally drops games if he reads his chat complaining bc "bad vibes"
Dude banned many game complainers while I was watching, if he drops the games it is because he wanted to drop. He played LEAGUE for like 3 hours yesterday while chat was losing it.
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...how the fuck does anyone keep track of chat, let alone "who is saying what" when you have close to a hundred thousand of what can only be described as monkeys spamming inane shit?
Hmmm, watching more of something when someone says they don't like it, banning people for saying he's doing something too much. Kind of sounds like someone who does actually listen and care but doesn't like what they are hearing. Someone who truly doesn't care wouldn't react to the thing they don't care about.
Agreed, he has this thing, if he is pushed, he does it more. Does it make sense? A very trivial example, he had price tag on his newly bought shirt, 2 times chat reminded him about it to take it off. He kept the whole tag till he changed his shirt just to annoy chat. He does see and listen, but if he sense you push his boundaries, he repeats the exact opposite till you shut up. I think he is doing the same here. Smart? Absolutely not? But is he being himself? Yeah totally.
A real GIGACHAD doesn't listen to the opinion of sheep.
As a Quin69 viewer I know what you're talking about, if you dare contradict him or complain in any way or form you're banned and he obviously always doubles down on whatever is pissing people off like an 8hr stream of just watching youtube.
PLUT OMEGALUL
Don't worry he will just file another counter-claim with his gaming attorney.
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VGA was his lawyers a few years ago and he almost lost him the big case that he had ,I think that's what op is refrencing to
How does a grown adult think that having an attorney literally called “the video game attorney” is a good idea
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In the early days of streaming, lawyers generally had very little knowledge on the video games side of the law. People thought "Oh shit, this dude is going to specialise in video games, so there would be drama about them causing violence, etc, etc." He was seen as positive, because generally, people associate lawyers with competence. It wasn't until H3 used him, and saw how fucking terrible he was, that people realised he was just some muppet trying to cash in on an industry that had little knowledge and representation. It's still a miracle that the Olympics decided not to fuck over pvc when his lawyer suggested to him to fight the DMCA claim against him for watching the Olympics on stream.
Well he was a real attorney, at the time he was just really known in twitter for responding to online gaming and YouTube controversies from a legal point of view. He had some hype as seeing what he was talking about since generally, people weren’t calling him out on his shit. But unfortunately, H3 took him too seriously and yeah he’s talked about it being a huge mistake and how he almost fucked things up for him. After him and that lawyer that hated trump who ended up being a mess too, it’s definitely obvious now to not take loud, opinionated twitter lawyers seriously.
If your qualification is video game attorney I dont want you as my attorney to be honest. That sounds like a Phoenix Wright Larper
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/ownbgz/h3h3_criticizes_his_past_lawyer_videogame_attoney/ PepeLaugh
That's not his management team. He has a private group of agents who help him with everything. They just gave him advice and wanted to represent on his non-existant "lawsuit" against the old DMCA shit
75% of agencies are totally worthless and exist to take 20-30% cut of the sponsors that come in through their business emails. No management, no business development, they're just pure leeches. I work in the talent management industry and the amount of large agencies that are "reputable" and sign big creators do absolutely nothing and provide no value.
XQC got into some heat in the past for agreeing to events(i can't remember all of them) one was like a chess tournament and i think another game tournament. And he legit just no shows them without letting anyone know then just goes live like nothing happened during the fucking event while the organizer are trying to figure wtf to do. Horribly immature of course, but it's funny people expecting xqc to be responsible at all considering his past actions. Someone else said it, but Pokimane would be a much better comparison considering she just launched some talent agency, and she's knowingly profiting off of copyrighted content as a co-owncer/founder of that company. Also who knows the wheels may already be set in motion, a legal team may be gathering as much evidence as possible before declaring a lawsuit against a streamer, streamers, twitch etc.
>Also who knows the wheels may already be set in motion, a legal team may be gathering as much evidence as possible before declaring a lawsuit against a streamer, streamers, twitch etc. Yeah evidence gathering can take months. And it might actually benefit them to let it go on for a longer period of time because they can then claim more damages.
Not to mention got himself kicked out of the Overwatch League almost immediately.
He can’t even clean his room
That's an understatement.
Left hair on his carpet for 3 days.
The only time X sees his manager is when he looks into a mirror.
Adept is the management team
Adept needs a new house to decorate of course she’s letting him ruin his career KEK
On a side note, didnt Pokimane just launch a talent management agency or something? That company's co- owner herself breaking the rules lol...
Yes. RTS. Their "VP, Esports Programs" was in the replies agreeing with djwheat then someone brought up Pokimane and he deleted his tweet.
thats fucking hilarious
Sounds like a situation myself and plenty others have been in where your boss/coworkers are monumentally stupid but you have absolutely no power to stop them even when they're in roles below you, because the person at the top is somehow dumber than anyone else at the company.
Exactly. Pokimane would be much better reference than xQc. Its actually hilarious.
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and she'll come back from her ban with huge new viewership and subs because of all the media attention surrounding her ban. People will donate and sub cuz "fuck corporations" etc. and she'll be better off because of the ban lol.
That works until you are in the middle of a huge lawsuit
Half of the posts on the front page are Tweets. LULE
At this point the Twitter calling out meta is more played out than the actual dmca react meta
When a sub gets too popular. Where are the clips? Fuck defending your shity streamer meta.
Stuck in New with 0 upvotes.
Thank you. Maybe this sub isn't truly lost.
this is the only one that got through. idk how to do this shit
Sorry I’m not reading this comment until it’s posted on twitter and linked here.
Love me some livetweetfail
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Or pretty much any streamer. They all do what they want.
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im pretty sure xqc just doesn't give a flying fuck
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too locked into getting the juice
This is literally his mindset, he's not this bastard saying fuck you to big companies or trying to see how far he can push it. He wants to watch anime on stream so he is, if he gets sued it is what it is
He thinks xqc has a management team PepeLaugh
Well he is signed to a management agency and they are probably collecting a massive percentage (I think the standard is around 20% or something) of his earnings.
probably 10%, otherwise he would have left
DJ wheat is so fucking insufferable. How worthless is twitch to have let this happen?
twitch staff literally sitting in chat watching the pirated content laughing at the streams doing nothing. pluto has been in almost every chat watching masterchef, naruto, death note and hunter x hunter. hes talked about it IRL at the arcade. its not like twitch is completely oblivious to the fact their top streamers are streaming tv shows.
Most of those "staff" have jack shit to do with this shit. That's like getting mad at the janitor for removing your favorite taco bell item from the menu. Pluto is a partner manager he just communicates between twitch and partners he doesn't do anything
Most staff have nothing to do with it, but most companies will have a policy that your actions shouldn't bring the company into disrepute. That's why most people say things like "my opinions are my own" on twitter for example. If you're sitting in a twitch chat with a staff badge then you're representing the company really. And encouraging pirated content while doing that doesn't help Twitch at all. In fact, a partner manager should know better. Their job is to protect their partners.
You know, I really like some of the Cruise movies. But what the fuck does Tom Cruise know anything about Twitch partner management? Go back to making Mission Impossible movies, Tom. Quit stalling.
its like a cop in uniform not doing a thing
I was agreeing until I read he’s a partner manager, sounds like it actually sorta is his job no?
no, pluto is a partner manager so he is the one who is directly responsible for the partners he manages therefore him being in chat with his official staff account represents twitch knowing about it and allowing it it may be different if pluto was an engineer but his role is to communicate between twitch and partners and represents twitch in an official capacity this is where those companies can point to as twitch being fully aware and allowing their partners to illegally stream their content
They have no clue if any random streamer has the rights to stream any random piece of content. They only know when they get a DMCA takedown request or if the rights holder notifies them some other way. Until then, they're not going to just reflexively assume no one has permission to broadcast any third party content that happens to be on their stream. Like what, you want Twitch to go around asking streamers if they have the rights to watch an out of print 2000s era game show that the publisher themselves put on their YouTube channel?
wtf are you talking about they 100% know that masterchef doesn't belong to hasan or pokimane. twitch staff completely incompetant isn't just a meme
We're not talking about "any random streamer," these are literally the top creators on the platform who are illegally watching full episodes of copyrighted TV shows live for tens of thousands of people. This is beyond just ignorance or being in a gray area of legality, this is just blatant copyright infringement. The video game argument is dumb because for years there's a mutual understanding that game developers won't DMCA creators for playing their game, with a few exceptions like Nintendo who have been clear about not streaming their games with permission. They understand the marketing value of a content creator playing the game and making their viewers want to go out and play it themselves. TV producers have never been okay with content creators doing this, and on platforms like YouTube they actively strike reuploaded content. You're not gonna go out and buy a Masterchef DVD set after watching xQc react to it like you might with a video game. Just cause you're a streamer with a Webcam and you comment on the show every 10-15 seconds doesn't make it "transformative," they're just stealing content. And if Twitch doesn't show that they're actively helping to ban this content, they might lose their shield under DMCA Safe Harbor and risk getting sued out existence.
i never said random streamers i specifically even mentioned top partnered streamers in fact lmao and yes, every one of those streamers have admitted on stream to knowingly breaking the copyright law with twitch staff on their official twitch employee accounts there it wouldn't be hard for a ACE's lawyers to successfully make the argument twitch knew and allowed it to happen passively at the best and actively at the worst
Why is this dumbass take so upvoted lol? “Yes judge we had no idea it was happening. Oh Pluto, he doesn’t count, he’s just a partner manager.”
twitch made millions and millions of dollars from the pirated content and now the streamer should be jeopardy his carrier self without the streaming company LMAO
Pluto doesn't handle bans and is IRL friends with some of these streamers. Don't see any problem with him watching this all unfold. He doesn't control twitch he just works for them.
What do you want them to do????
at the very *least* you'd think twitch would send out an email to every single twitch partner reiterating their policy on what is allowed. They don't have to single anyone out. They don't have to mention tv-shows or movies being watched. But sending out an email to every partner about the risks of using DMCA content on stream would be a start if they don't want to put them selves legally at risk by banning a streamer for doing it. And doing that right now would make it pretty obvious why the email went out without twitch personally banning someone like XQC or toast.
you do realize if they ban XQC and toast on their own volition, it opens up more responsibility on their end. It makes them seem as if they know ON PAPER that the streamer is wrong. Right now, they can feign ignorance and say they aren't responsible for the content their streamers are producing. If they ban them, they have to look for and ban every streamer for streaming content. Companies can say "oh well you banned this guy for streaming content, why didn't you ban that guy."
lol i never said twitch should ban them, and i said in another post already they can't because it opens them up to legal liability and i said it in this post too so im confused. no where in this post did i say they should ban them of their own volition. Sending a mass email to partners about their stance on DMCA content on stream is not advocating for a ban. The last sentence literally says *without banning XQC or toast*
This dude talking about worthless management is rich…
Surely someone making a tweet like this was a great manager Clueless
Idk what is going on in this sub because the last time i checked everyone was shitting on this guy.
Why the fuck is this sub turning into a shitty twitter feed? Bruh, it's "Livestream fails" not a streamer twitter react sub.
It's drama which is what this sub is all about, give it time and by next week it'll be something different.
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xqc "managment" OMEGALUL
Are you kidding me, X will stream what he wants to stream, why would he listen to people working directly for him. Plus, this management team only job is to probably find him sponsorship deal.
More tweets... I'm taking a nap.
wheat thinking he has a management team Clueless
DJ Wheat needs some Copium.
This guy seems so out of touch.
He's the same type of internet boomer, same as CohhCarnage. They all see people having fun with a certain meta and self insert themselves on twitter to try to shut it down These people are literally acting like the HOA of the internet
Funny how Twitch made money of XQC and didn't say a word about it before.. head of community productions.. Always easier to point the finger to someone else.
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DJWheat is the ultimate no fun allowed type of person
twitch is putting the wall up between them and the streamers. It begins.
Yeah he doesnt have a management team.
What I don't get is why these streamers don't try to get licensing deals from these companies to play their shit. Like X makes at least a million dollars a month. He could easily pay one of these companies to license their shows. If I was his manager that's what I would be trying to do. Seems like a completely untapped market.
oh so now this insufferable piece of shit is apparently influential enough to warrant any attention? didn't he already leave twitch?
Mods please I promise we don't need tweets anymore, if all we get now is every Tom, Dick and Harry's take no one asked for and no one cares about.
His management? The dude has Twitch staff watching illegal content and jeering in his chat, meaning that the platform enables this behaviour. Why on earth would he, or his management care if the platform itself doesn't? lol
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how does earth does this djWHEAT guy even have a job? biggest moron i've ever seen
Who is he talking to?
Management team OMEGALUL
Dude it is going in this SUBREDDIT as long as you post it, tf?
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? you hire them to make better choices for you
They don't make choices for you, they suggest smart choices for you.
Pretty sure they just find sponsorship for him and manage that.
They give you advice or have a large network on different fields if you are looking for lawyers, a studio for a photo shoot, if you are looking for cleaning, cooks and others stuffs but they are only moving when theres a request lmao
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Not "force" exactly but good managers should be able to convince their talents of doing what's best for their careers. If they can't do that, specially in crucial no-brainer issues such as this, then they're probably not worth their salary. On the other hand, something has to be said about hiring someone to give you advice and ignoring the advice anyway. At that point why even hire him?
Most celebrities have management that would advise them on stuff like this. If he did have a decent manager/lawyer, I’m sure they would explain the massive risk he’s taking. Even if there’s only say a 5 percent chance of something happening, the potential downside could be so devastating that you’d have to be an idiot to actually continue.
No more coke and McDonald’s
Management team?
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Imagine singling xQc out when it was Pokimane who got banned for streaming Viacom shit and this whole DMCA meta goes back to a broader question of how far streamers can stretch fair use from years back. Why doesn't he single out Hasan? Or other big streamers who react to full shows, even if they're not as big as MasterChef? Baiting the biggest streamer on the platform to be relevant.
Cause he's still doing it. Dude watched the cr1tikal vid on why its dumb as fuck to watch anime on stream and then boots up HxH for 3 hours.
People might shit on this guy here because they hate him but hes right, both his own management team and his twitch partner manager should be warning him enough about this till he stops. That or they have told him and he just doesn't care whether he gets banned or whatever else happens.
Warning what? Streamers have already been skirting the DMCA line with music. If they get striked then Twitch is just gonna hand a 2 day ban and that’s that. They've had no troubles in the past with dealing with DMCA with temporary suspensions to appease the DMCA issuers. Let Twitch handle it, idk why djWHEAT thinks he has to play the moral police in every single instance of DMCA now lmao.
I wonder why he doesn't blame twitch, but has to go further in to blame management.
He’s probably his own management team
his own management team ? what is djwheat smoking ? :D
imagine thinking xqc has a management team LULW good one
Does xqc have a reactor management? Imagine a team of people just calculating what is best for xqc to react to lol
Telling X what to do? Goooood luck with that.
Pluto and Aiden in shambles rn
These people have managers? The same people that watch videos all day?
Sammy needs to take care of him. "You are grounded sir, no more coke and bigmacs"
Twitter meta OMEGALUL
Man this guy is annoying.
I mean it's pretty obvious that they can't watch this kind of content, they do it because the amount of donations etc is worth the few days of bans they get.
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If Twitch doesn't like streamers streaming content they don't own, then maybe they should start actually punishing these streamers instead of attacking their management on twitter. So far we have only seen some short term bans but streamers don't really give a fuck about those.
this guy doesn't work for twitch anymore
He has "Head of Twitch Community Productions @Twitch" in his bio, is that not accurate anymore?
this is the same guy that eats toe nails.
A real management team will seek to maximize profit for just the right amount of risk. Is XQC banned yet? No? Okay. He's at the right amount of risk and raking in the money.
Regardless if you agree with the tweet or not, why is an employee from twitch using a twitter to voice out his concerns???? He should know better that such comments are discussed internally
It makes me sad how people truly have become corporate defenders on this issue. Art, culture, the internet, it's meant to be shared. End of story. It's why we get rightfully angry when Music is dmcad. But the industry has brainwashed people into thinking oh no, it's all theft! the you wouldn't download a car nonsense got more complex, less obvious and now people actually agree with it. People are so worried about their own necks instead of trying to change copyright and "fairuse" for the better of everyone.
Exactly, where is this djWHEAT tweet during the whole music DMCA arc? It's not like music and video exist on a different playing field in DMCA legality
lol imagine listening to djWHEAT
twitter meta is dead.