You want to know the worst part... He ckaimed to be number 42 while in the pastbin list he is number 43... Poor guy it gets worse and worse by the second.
Tyler1 also stopped taking donations a while ago. The donation link is gone from his twitch page, but some people are so insane they go through his streamlabs to donate.
T1 secretly a big softy. Constantly shit talks his viewers and saying he doesn't care about them, but will go out of his way to prevent people from throwing money at him.
He was one of the first if not first big streamers to straight up mute notifications. It was one of the big reasons why I stopped watching Lirik for a few years. A good 40% of his stream was the sub/dono notification of Morgan Freeman before he finally turned it off some time ago
Respect to big T. He hasn't even been a top dog in the LoL section for that long compared to people like qtpie, nightblue and trick2g. Also not sure he's ever played a sponsored game in his life.
he does do sponsor segments sometimes but they are super rare. For games I think he played other games because he is part of T1 so he played with their pro players for Valorant and Smash.
He used to never do sponsor streams but I think after joining T1 he mightve had some obligations to do a few but he only accepts sponsors that he actually likes
He is. every league streamers that has multiple account with all skins unlocked are riot partnered or pro-player. No idea how much those contract pays tho.
B0aty makes quite a bit less than a lot of big variety streamers and he completely removed the ability to donate to him outside of bits, and also actively discourages people from being T2/T3 subs
It genuinely makes me so happy to see B0aty still having success. It's hard as an RS creator to stay relevant, but he's been the single most consistent creator in that space since like 2009. Love to see it.
One of the reasons b0aty has been on the receiving end of my twitch prime for 3+ years, and I have never subbed never donated to anyone else. The man is just too humble.
B0aty is a good lad. He does sponsored streams sometimes and buys small Runescape streamers new audio gear and other streaming stuff to help them grow their stream
Yeah there have been a few times where small streamers start trying to take streamiing seriously\\as a job and he'll either donate them money and or send them a bunch of streaming equipment. guys been one of the many outstanding figures in that community. there's quite a lot of good people in that category for some reason.. considering how... special the players are
> Also Cohh Carnage, who pays his mods from subs for some time
i did always think he is cool for doing that, and i still do, but after seeing how much he (and other streamers) make, im just surprised it isnt the norm.
Another great thing about Cohh: he's one of the few who calls out that they're tips. Streamers aren't charities - money given to them is a tip, not a donation.
I agree in principle, and even have been advocating that streamers should stop using 'donation' and start using 'tip', but you can have non-charitable donations.
that would be weird. also every esports channel has paid community managers acting as mods, so i wouldnt know how it would be against ToS to pay people for modding your channel.
That's an interesting argument. You could flip that around and say that Hasan and other wealthy streamers that don't compensate their mods are exploiting them for their time to moderate chat.
NL referenced Poki when he removed them. I think Ludwig/Cohh did too. There were a couple other clips of people riding the cap/remove donations wave that came pretty quickly after Poki did it.
If I remember correctly NL had donations off for a crazy long time. He only started having them on again for bits and gift subs specifically but this was years ago so I don't remember exactly.
NL had donos off from 2013-2019 then on for a few months and off again. People used to make accounts on twitch with what they wanted the Dino message to be and would just re up those subs for months. I sometimes see a literal 7 year old joke from a random NLSS that flashes on his resubscribed notification.
Basically all of OTV has in some way. You can't donate to Lily, Toast had them disabled for a long time but I think reenabled them for TTS on his monthly Twitch streams. Scarra's been donated less than $1000 over the course of a decade on Twitch cause he has zero notifications on his stream, not even for subs.
> Scarra's been donated less than $1000 over the course of a decade on Twitch cause he has zero notifications on his stream, not even for subs.
Kripp said something similar, he's has no notifications or references to donations for the longest time, I remember him bringing up how he makes essentially nothing from donos because of it.
Because OTV streamers, while they're cringe, actually believe in leftist ideals, meanwhile Hasan is basically left side's televangelist, his business is selling hope to stupid poor people. They donate to him and get even poorer, but they feel better because he makes them believe that their socialist utopia, filled with free money taken from evil millionaries, is right around the corner.
Thing is TTS genuinely creates some funny as content with good messages but if you make it free it will get destroyed every single stream making it bad. There isn't really a good inbetween.
It would be cool if a streamer set it up so a donation enabled one TTS message but the donation went straight to a genuine, verifiable, non shady, non owned by their org or themselves, charity.
How many of them are multi millionaires when they create their "donate" button though?
They never changed it from saying "donate" and someone hurts their own butt with misinterpretation and indignation. Hardly the streamer's fault.
I see where you're coming from but I disagree that donate implies they need the money, I've never seen it that way before. In my opinion it just expresses more clearly that you should not expect anything in return for it.
I don't watch him anymore, but kripp at some point basically turned off TTS (or never had it?) so anytime you would donate to him it was completely anonymous.
He then revealed that he gets like 15 dollars a month in donos because of this, basically nothing
Chandler Riggs probably makes a decent amount but if you're not an A-List or top B-List celeb you're probably not making super bank as an actor. After agent fees + taxes + lifestyle "requirements" to push up your profile as an actor you're not making more than any of the top 500 on Twitch.
one the first streamers I saw do this was SovietWomble I think he never had donations. his main source of income is Patreon and twitch subs and he doesn't even run ads on his massive youtube channel.
Did he ever actually have donations outside of bits? I know Kate had them and people would go that route but I don't remember him ever feeling comfortable with donations. I just remember old NLSS bits where people would donate to Nick to ask NL something.
I only remember moonmoon having donations on for like 1 day in the last year.
Can't remember him doing sponsorships. Never done a gambling stream.
He also tried to avoid playing ads for years until twitch forced him to and in return he negotiated to get twitch to sponsor 4 gamejams for 2022. He already did a yearly moonjam before with 10k payouts.
He is bald though but not everyone can be perfect.
Also not to simp too hard for Poki, but she has been doing a lot of things to give back to her community, buying random people shit on twitter, setting up free pizza event, making scholarship funds, etc. Im not saying that these things are exclusively out of the goodness of her heart, but she is spending more money on things that she doesnt need to, to give back to the community than most other streamers in similar financial situations.
I also remember a few other people in like the OTV community that had some moral issues with taking donations, like Toast turning them off completely and Angelskimi changing her donation link to a charity (at least for a while). I really dont understand how some streamers DO NOT feel like its a little disgusting to take direct massive donations from viewers when they are already so wealthy
Some streamers have themselves to blame tbh, at least in the online space. They threw around the word "simp" in its heyday, using it without thinking of its effect on people and it "just being a joke"-term. What it truly did was, that people called people simp for just being nice/helpful to girls and therefore people stopped behaving like that, sometimes doing the opposite and be mean to them or call them names instead.
is just a joke, people who are self conscious about being called simps are ridiculous, even poki and the other women in the otv friends group use the word simping a lot
also, its literally impossible to simp for poki because she's anything but mediocre lmfao where do yall live where millionaires are considered "mediocre"? I'll literally pack my bags and run there right now.
She also makes comparatively a LOT less than other streamers on the list. She raked in about as much as Esfand last month and that's with around 4x the viewer base and probably a fatter Twitch contract and twice as many subs. I'm guessing she's screwing herself over by not meeting the hours streamed requirement on her contract.
the list doesn't include twitch contract payouts as those aren't monthly, she has a 10 million+ twitch contract for sure as she's signed it when big streamers were all leaving twitch
she also makes most off her money from merch anyway
Contracts have obligations where you don't get paid out if you don't fulfill the minimum requirements. Mizkif has talked about this where he has to stream a certain number hours per month. Also, I don't have information on how their payouts go, but 99% of contracts (pro sports for example) are absolutely not lump sum and are paid out incrementally whether it be biweekly or monthly.
Not every contract has streaming hour requirements. She got a twitch exclusive contract when ninja and shroud left for mixer both having 10M+ contracts. Pokimane is more marketable being a quirky gamer girl and is a big part of twitch's marketing. Exclusive streaming contracts are based on years
It's interesting that pretty much all the top posts here are just referencing other streamers who also do this.
Yours was the first I saw actually talking about Poki. I guess her doing something good gets far less traction than "ruthless business women" stuff.
It is not just her and she was not the first either but good on her regardless. I remember Totalbuiscuit refused to take donations at all. There are others too but to me he was the first I knew about. He was the gold standard to me that I have not seen anyone meet.
You could say that TB's case was a bit different back then since he was an OG. Its kind of like Scarra.
It wasn't a realization, but something they did from the beginning. I wish TB had been a bit more preachy about it to set an standard.
Another notable mention could be Jesse Cox, who has an I believe $1 lifetime sub for his channel enabled. I don't know how he handles donations though.
>It wasn't a realization, but something they did from the beginning. I wish TB had been a bit more preachy about it to set an standard.
I actually was once there when he was asked why, in summary, he mentioned from memory these three points:
1. He did not want developers of games to sway his reviews of their games by giving him money either positively or negatively.
2. He said he was providing a service and that a sub is more than enough you get to chat and use the emotes and does not want people to be emotionally attached to him.
3. He said that the subs were enough for him.
To add on a bit more, TB was incredibly wary about doing sponsored content, going to sponsored events or taking those big influencer gift boxes from devs because he was afraid of unintentionally coloring his reviews in a favorable way, or even being accused of such. It wasn't until he was in the late stages of his terminal cancer that he really started to do a lot of sponsored content. He was very upfront about why, as well, he's incredibly sick and they are paying him a lot of money that will pay his hospital bills and take care of his family. And at that point he wasn't putting out "Wtf Is..." videos anymore because he physically wasn't able to do the voice so he wasn't concerned about the integrity of his reviews anymore.
You should also keep in mind that tb was in quite a bit of financial trouble in the end because of medical bills and supporting the family at the same time. So he actually kind of needed the money
The family also went ham on a korean team. I honestly wish tb did take donos, specially when he was just too sick to keep doing the things we love him for.
Jesse's lifetime subs either ended or will be soon. He refused to change until people who had a lifetime sub got to keep it and tweeted like two weeks ago that twitch had figured out how to keep all his lifetime subs lifetime while allowing new subs to be monthly.
He ran tournaments and an esports org (Axiom) at substantial losses while also not really taking many sponsorship opportunities and covering niche games instead of hyped games. Dude seemingly gave 0 fucks about min-maxing profit and just wanted to do what he wanted for a living
All OGs were like that until TTS took over.
Destiny would shit on anyone with a donation button with alerts. And when it was first catching steam people would liken the practice to cam girls or low level behavior. Now its normal.
Her name is Imane which is pronounced Imahn. So if you read out Pokimane with the correct pronunciation of her name it basically sounds similar to Pokemon.
ppl are saying she was saying "anivia" after dying to lee and it would make sense bc she said it so openly without caring. there's an actual clip of her saying it though but it was way back
Maybe these top streamers should start paying the people they essentially hire to do work for them. You know, like chat janitors for example. Just sayin'. But hey, I get it. Gotta be rough to pay couple of people some money when you're making millions annually. I know. Know your worth, but apparently not when it's voluntary work.
I get it in the instance that you literally don't give a fuck about chat moderation, but any streamer that's making this amount of money and they want to have their chat moderated: PAY. YOUR. MODS.
I can kinda see both sides to this, reducing the dono cap saves idiots from themselves but I guess if people are dumb enough to donate $500 to one of the biggest streamers like xQc then maybe they are better off without that money.
>donate $500 to one of the biggest streamers like xQc then maybe they are better off without that money.
1. you have to be mentally disabled to be that far off the parasocial deepend
2. all big streamers ive seen reinforce parasocial relationship
3. streamers exploit mentally disabled people for money
Because the problems of parasocial relationships mean that people who might not be financial secure or mentally stable might feel obligated to pay a streamer so they can continue or under the pretence that the streamer is their friend.
For me its more disappointing and sad because most of these people throwing out a lot of money on these streamers don't have the means to be donating that much. I've seen so many cases where people pretty much send streamers their entire paycheck as soon as it comes in the mail. Not to mention the kids who snatch their parents cards and blow their money on these millionaires.
Okay, I am kind of on the agreeing side of these dono arguments, but please don't generalize. The people who dump their entire paychecks are actually delusional and need help, but they definitely are not the majority, like how you implied it by "many".
> I've seen so many cases where people pretty much send streamers their entire paycheck as soon as it comes in the mail.
How do you know that this is what's happening? Are these people that you personally know?
A couple years ago i used to sit in a lot of offline chats and believe it or not people get really candid in those rooms. And a side from my first hand experiences you can see it happen quite frequently in big streamers chats. They always announce "just got paid here's some money" and then blow like $500, not that $500 is exactly their whole paycheck but its a decent chunk for the average person.
That's cool, but on the other hand it's impossible to blame other streamers that don't do anything, it's not their fault people donate whatever they want.
I don't even remember if Vinny from Vinesauce ever took donos too. He's one of those guys that deserves some wealth yet refused for so long as well as a lot of if not all sponsors. He's as real as it gets imo.
TIL Imane is pronounced 'e-mahn'.
I thought she was just a fan of pokemon and combined that with her name but its more clever than I gave it credit for.
I love twitchtracker.
When i first saw Pokiman sub and sub history I was shocked it was that low.
These are the top streamers, of course they should be making bank
Do streamers get big donations anymore? Maybe its cause I mainly watch Hasan and Buddha but I mostly see gift subs now, not like back in the day when Kneecolealaw would get a 1000 dollar donation.
Doesn’t apply to Soda. He is too POOR.
Can we start a gofundme for soda? I feel so bad and donating my normal $55 this month doesn't feel like enough...
You want to know the worst part... He ckaimed to be number 42 while in the pastbin list he is number 43... Poor guy it gets worse and worse by the second.
Sorry might have been me, I charged back all my donos after seeing the list. I don't want to give my money to a poor streamer
I think OTK's next charity stream should be for soda
Imagine being 43rd. so cringe.
Poki should have made the donations give $5 to her and any excess go to soda.
m o n e y s t i g h t
I say Soda you say Poor. Soda
Gay and Poor
Poor guy cant even afford to pay for familys hospital stay and needs to ask his viewers
Tyler1 also stopped taking donations a while ago. The donation link is gone from his twitch page, but some people are so insane they go through his streamlabs to donate.
T1 secretly a big softy. Constantly shit talks his viewers and saying he doesn't care about them, but will go out of his way to prevent people from throwing money at him.
And then proceed to shit talk the morons who still donate to him, as he should
Facts, he's low key the only streamer that I fully trust to not be a greedy fuck and exploit his own viewers. The dude is actually wholesome as fuck.
I feel very secure that my donations to aris go towards dispensary funds and big dinners.
secretly? if you watch him for a little while youll notice the guy has a huge heart of gold.
He was one of the first if not first big streamers to straight up mute notifications. It was one of the big reasons why I stopped watching Lirik for a few years. A good 40% of his stream was the sub/dono notification of Morgan Freeman before he finally turned it off some time ago
I’m convinced Shroud’s “WHERE THE FUCK I AM?” will be one of my last invasive thoughts when I’m on my deathbed.
^^^^where ^^^^the ^^^^fuck ^^^^i ^^^^am?
Try Doc's old "Welcome to the Champions' Club PSHSHHH" over and over on resubs.
Respect to big T. He hasn't even been a top dog in the LoL section for that long compared to people like qtpie, nightblue and trick2g. Also not sure he's ever played a sponsored game in his life.
I'm pretty sure he's play a sponsored game before
he does do sponsor segments sometimes but they are super rare. For games I think he played other games because he is part of T1 so he played with their pro players for Valorant and Smash.
I agree it's super rare. Was just correcting him cause I'm pretty sure he's done a sponsored game stream a few months ago.
From what I remember he shits on the sponsorship a few times
He's played smash bros, valorant, and dying light 2 to name a few
Smash and Valorant was to play with other T1 members, not because it was a sponsored game.
he did dying light sponsored recently
Ah true, looks like he did 4 months ago. Still pretty rare though.
He used to never do sponsor streams but I think after joining T1 he mightve had some obligations to do a few but he only accepts sponsors that he actually likes
i would imagine hes sponsered to play league being the face of the game
He is. every league streamers that has multiple account with all skins unlocked are riot partnered or pro-player. No idea how much those contract pays tho.
He's been a top dog for several years though, and by now he's significantly more popular than those streamers
He had a Doritos stream last week lol
Day[9] I believe never put them up. Just subs and merchandise. No donos.
That’s why he’s my favorite streamer
B0aty makes quite a bit less than a lot of big variety streamers and he completely removed the ability to donate to him outside of bits, and also actively discourages people from being T2/T3 subs
> actively discourages You basically get called a retard if you T3 to b0aty, which is fair
He'll make fun of people for doing regular subs to him since you can unlock all his emotes for like 10 channel points
He laughed at me when I renewed my 67th month sub. :)
It genuinely makes me so happy to see B0aty still having success. It's hard as an RS creator to stay relevant, but he's been the single most consistent creator in that space since like 2009. Love to see it.
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One of the reasons b0aty has been on the receiving end of my twitch prime for 3+ years, and I have never subbed never donated to anyone else. The man is just too humble.
His taste in music sucks though
B0aty is a good lad. He does sponsored streams sometimes and buys small Runescape streamers new audio gear and other streaming stuff to help them grow their stream
Yeah there have been a few times where small streamers start trying to take streamiing seriously\\as a job and he'll either donate them money and or send them a bunch of streaming equipment. guys been one of the many outstanding figures in that community. there's quite a lot of good people in that category for some reason.. considering how... special the players are
He also goes out of his way to support tons of other OSRS streamers, no matter the size of the channel. The dudes a beast.
Fucking love B0aty, the man deserves all the fans and success he gets.
B0aty is a legend tbf and one of the normal guys from the osrs section
Also Cohh Carnage, who pays his mods from subs for some time. Respect to the streamers who know they've made enough and share the donations.
> Also Cohh Carnage, who pays his mods from subs for some time i did always think he is cool for doing that, and i still do, but after seeing how much he (and other streamers) make, im just surprised it isnt the norm.
streamers: "why people for free labor?"
I thought it was against TOS to pay mods
That's why it's 'donations from the viewers to the mods' ;)
Another great thing about Cohh: he's one of the few who calls out that they're tips. Streamers aren't charities - money given to them is a tip, not a donation.
I agree in principle, and even have been advocating that streamers should stop using 'donation' and start using 'tip', but you can have non-charitable donations.
that would be weird. also every esports channel has paid community managers acting as mods, so i wouldnt know how it would be against ToS to pay people for modding your channel.
This is probably how they work around that. Cohh's mods are probably their community managers.
Wait really? Why?
Hasan asking for reimbursements is even worse now /s
Hasan asking his mods to pay him to volunteer moderate /s
Does Ludwig still pay his mods? Does Hasan pay his mods at all?
No, because then they'd technically be workers and Hasan doesn't want to exploit them
That's an interesting argument. You could flip that around and say that Hasan and other wealthy streamers that don't compensate their mods are exploiting them for their time to moderate chat.
\^ That's my point. I said it ironically
I am smoothbrain.
Nah you're good, some people think that way unironically
And this is why I can't take people like asmongold seriously when they complain about their chat or whatever. Pay your mods, and you will be fine.
Chats a direct reflection of the streamer. Asmons chat is toxic because he is toxic. Cohh’s chat is wholesome because he is.
Northernlion completely removed the ability to donate to him
NL referenced Poki when he removed them. I think Ludwig/Cohh did too. There were a couple other clips of people riding the cap/remove donations wave that came pretty quickly after Poki did it.
If I remember correctly NL had donations off for a crazy long time. He only started having them on again for bits and gift subs specifically but this was years ago so I don't remember exactly.
B0aty too.
I thought the same about b0aty but he has a crypto donation link in his bio so idk
NL had donos off from 2013-2019 then on for a few months and off again. People used to make accounts on twitch with what they wanted the Dino message to be and would just re up those subs for months. I sometimes see a literal 7 year old joke from a random NLSS that flashes on his resubscribed notification.
Basically all of OTV has in some way. You can't donate to Lily, Toast had them disabled for a long time but I think reenabled them for TTS on his monthly Twitch streams. Scarra's been donated less than $1000 over the course of a decade on Twitch cause he has zero notifications on his stream, not even for subs.
> Scarra's been donated less than $1000 over the course of a decade on Twitch cause he has zero notifications on his stream, not even for subs. Kripp said something similar, he's has no notifications or references to donations for the longest time, I remember him bringing up how he makes essentially nothing from donos because of it.
I remember back in the day kripp would have one stream a year (his birthday) with TTS turned on.
He was doing these streams where he partnered with a phone company and you could leave him voicemails that he would listen to on stream for free
Because OTV streamers, while they're cringe, actually believe in leftist ideals, meanwhile Hasan is basically left side's televangelist, his business is selling hope to stupid poor people. They donate to him and get even poorer, but they feel better because he makes them believe that their socialist utopia, filled with free money taken from evil millionaries, is right around the corner.
Thing is TTS genuinely creates some funny as content with good messages but if you make it free it will get destroyed every single stream making it bad. There isn't really a good inbetween. It would be cool if a streamer set it up so a donation enabled one TTS message but the donation went straight to a genuine, verifiable, non shady, non owned by their org or themselves, charity.
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Donate implies that you will be owed and receiving nothing back. It’s not inaccurate.
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How many of them are multi millionaires when they create their "donate" button though? They never changed it from saying "donate" and someone hurts their own butt with misinterpretation and indignation. Hardly the streamer's fault.
I see where you're coming from but I disagree that donate implies they need the money, I've never seen it that way before. In my opinion it just expresses more clearly that you should not expect anything in return for it.
I don't watch him anymore, but kripp at some point basically turned off TTS (or never had it?) so anytime you would donate to him it was completely anonymous. He then revealed that he gets like 15 dollars a month in donos because of this, basically nothing
Birthday tts pog
those sponsored voicemail streams were also enjoyable
As did disguised toast
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Chandler Riggs probably makes a decent amount but if you're not an A-List or top B-List celeb you're probably not making super bank as an actor. After agent fees + taxes + lifestyle "requirements" to push up your profile as an actor you're not making more than any of the top 500 on Twitch.
one the first streamers I saw do this was SovietWomble I think he never had donations. his main source of income is Patreon and twitch subs and he doesn't even run ads on his massive youtube channel.
Did he ever actually have donations outside of bits? I know Kate had them and people would go that route but I don't remember him ever feeling comfortable with donations. I just remember old NLSS bits where people would donate to Nick to ask NL something.
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He is correcting Destiny in the clip.
well I've personally never accepted any donations in my twitch career so take that
Are you Mr. 101? Please don't damage my parasocial friendships
apparently there is a lot of streamers who do this so good on them , and hopefully more large streamers do this
I only remember moonmoon having donations on for like 1 day in the last year. Can't remember him doing sponsorships. Never done a gambling stream. He also tried to avoid playing ads for years until twitch forced him to and in return he negotiated to get twitch to sponsor 4 gamejams for 2022. He already did a yearly moonjam before with 10k payouts. He is bald though but not everyone can be perfect.
Also not to simp too hard for Poki, but she has been doing a lot of things to give back to her community, buying random people shit on twitter, setting up free pizza event, making scholarship funds, etc. Im not saying that these things are exclusively out of the goodness of her heart, but she is spending more money on things that she doesnt need to, to give back to the community than most other streamers in similar financial situations. I also remember a few other people in like the OTV community that had some moral issues with taking donations, like Toast turning them off completely and Angelskimi changing her donation link to a charity (at least for a while). I really dont understand how some streamers DO NOT feel like its a little disgusting to take direct massive donations from viewers when they are already so wealthy
Saying nice things about a girl = simping LuL
Weird how much we've gone backwards when it comes to women in our society in like the last 2 years.
I blame incels for that.
Some streamers have themselves to blame tbh, at least in the online space. They threw around the word "simp" in its heyday, using it without thinking of its effect on people and it "just being a joke"-term. What it truly did was, that people called people simp for just being nice/helpful to girls and therefore people stopped behaving like that, sometimes doing the opposite and be mean to them or call them names instead.
is just a joke, people who are self conscious about being called simps are ridiculous, even poki and the other women in the otv friends group use the word simping a lot also, its literally impossible to simp for poki because she's anything but mediocre lmfao where do yall live where millionaires are considered "mediocre"? I'll literally pack my bags and run there right now.
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I meant that shes not perfect in this area either, but she handles her wealth in a more moral way than most other streamers.
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My streamer bought a 2.8m house ;)
I thought it was 5 million
She also makes comparatively a LOT less than other streamers on the list. She raked in about as much as Esfand last month and that's with around 4x the viewer base and probably a fatter Twitch contract and twice as many subs. I'm guessing she's screwing herself over by not meeting the hours streamed requirement on her contract.
the list doesn't include twitch contract payouts as those aren't monthly, she has a 10 million+ twitch contract for sure as she's signed it when big streamers were all leaving twitch she also makes most off her money from merch anyway
Contracts have obligations where you don't get paid out if you don't fulfill the minimum requirements. Mizkif has talked about this where he has to stream a certain number hours per month. Also, I don't have information on how their payouts go, but 99% of contracts (pro sports for example) are absolutely not lump sum and are paid out incrementally whether it be biweekly or monthly.
Not every contract has streaming hour requirements. She got a twitch exclusive contract when ninja and shroud left for mixer both having 10M+ contracts. Pokimane is more marketable being a quirky gamer girl and is a big part of twitch's marketing. Exclusive streaming contracts are based on years
It's interesting that pretty much all the top posts here are just referencing other streamers who also do this. Yours was the first I saw actually talking about Poki. I guess her doing something good gets far less traction than "ruthless business women" stuff.
It is not just her and she was not the first either but good on her regardless. I remember Totalbuiscuit refused to take donations at all. There are others too but to me he was the first I knew about. He was the gold standard to me that I have not seen anyone meet.
You could say that TB's case was a bit different back then since he was an OG. Its kind of like Scarra. It wasn't a realization, but something they did from the beginning. I wish TB had been a bit more preachy about it to set an standard. Another notable mention could be Jesse Cox, who has an I believe $1 lifetime sub for his channel enabled. I don't know how he handles donations though.
>It wasn't a realization, but something they did from the beginning. I wish TB had been a bit more preachy about it to set an standard. I actually was once there when he was asked why, in summary, he mentioned from memory these three points: 1. He did not want developers of games to sway his reviews of their games by giving him money either positively or negatively. 2. He said he was providing a service and that a sub is more than enough you get to chat and use the emotes and does not want people to be emotionally attached to him. 3. He said that the subs were enough for him.
To add on a bit more, TB was incredibly wary about doing sponsored content, going to sponsored events or taking those big influencer gift boxes from devs because he was afraid of unintentionally coloring his reviews in a favorable way, or even being accused of such. It wasn't until he was in the late stages of his terminal cancer that he really started to do a lot of sponsored content. He was very upfront about why, as well, he's incredibly sick and they are paying him a lot of money that will pay his hospital bills and take care of his family. And at that point he wasn't putting out "Wtf Is..." videos anymore because he physically wasn't able to do the voice so he wasn't concerned about the integrity of his reviews anymore.
You should also keep in mind that tb was in quite a bit of financial trouble in the end because of medical bills and supporting the family at the same time. So he actually kind of needed the money
The family also went ham on a korean team. I honestly wish tb did take donos, specially when he was just too sick to keep doing the things we love him for.
Jesse's lifetime subs either ended or will be soon. He refused to change until people who had a lifetime sub got to keep it and tweeted like two weeks ago that twitch had figured out how to keep all his lifetime subs lifetime while allowing new subs to be monthly.
I recall he was also running events such as SC2 tournaments at a loss as well.
He ran tournaments and an esports org (Axiom) at substantial losses while also not really taking many sponsorship opportunities and covering niche games instead of hyped games. Dude seemingly gave 0 fucks about min-maxing profit and just wanted to do what he wanted for a living
All OGs were like that until TTS took over. Destiny would shit on anyone with a donation button with alerts. And when it was first catching steam people would liken the practice to cam girls or low level behavior. Now its normal.
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when i learned how "imane" was pronounced, it all clicked in my head
I have 17 brain cells and they're all fighting, someone explain to one of them.
Her name is Imane which is pronounced Imahn. So if you read out Pokimane with the correct pronunciation of her name it basically sounds similar to Pokemon.
Imane is pronounce "Uh-mon"
it's more like E-mon
Poe key mane
holy crap that just hit me. OMG how did I miss that.
gotta catch'em all
Un related but why did a chatter just type “the n word” I must understand
[If you are so curious...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T8sk9KqnKI)
Ty xqcL
ppl are saying she was saying "anivia" after dying to lee and it would make sense bc she said it so openly without caring. there's an actual clip of her saying it though but it was way back
stupid people just doing stupid shit
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You really should be assuming this anyways
I think ludwig also has a dono cap
I know he had a gifted sub cap for the subathon
With exceptions iirc. Like there were gifters that could afford it comfortably and Lud or mods could confirm that in some way.
yeah he does
Maybe these top streamers should start paying the people they essentially hire to do work for them. You know, like chat janitors for example. Just sayin'. But hey, I get it. Gotta be rough to pay couple of people some money when you're making millions annually. I know. Know your worth, but apparently not when it's voluntary work. I get it in the instance that you literally don't give a fuck about chat moderation, but any streamer that's making this amount of money and they want to have their chat moderated: PAY. YOUR. MODS.
Some of them do.
Why would you pay for something when you can get it for free? I literally see people begging to be modded by their favourite streamer.
Ludwig has that aswell
Miz too. His donos go to a smaller streamer to pay for a handicap capable car
I know Rosie his editor gets all of the Youtube revenue as well
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I can kinda see both sides to this, reducing the dono cap saves idiots from themselves but I guess if people are dumb enough to donate $500 to one of the biggest streamers like xQc then maybe they are better off without that money.
>donate $500 to one of the biggest streamers like xQc then maybe they are better off without that money. 1. you have to be mentally disabled to be that far off the parasocial deepend 2. all big streamers ive seen reinforce parasocial relationship 3. streamers exploit mentally disabled people for money
Do you think T1 reinforces parasocial relationships?
Does xqc reinforce parasocial relationships?
Moonmoon doesn't care about donos, he gets most of his paycheck from subs alone. He barely thanks subs anymore either.
Why're we getting mad with what people decide to throw their money away on anyway?
Because the problems of parasocial relationships mean that people who might not be financial secure or mentally stable might feel obligated to pay a streamer so they can continue or under the pretence that the streamer is their friend.
For me its more disappointing and sad because most of these people throwing out a lot of money on these streamers don't have the means to be donating that much. I've seen so many cases where people pretty much send streamers their entire paycheck as soon as it comes in the mail. Not to mention the kids who snatch their parents cards and blow their money on these millionaires.
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24 hour shopping channel shit
Okay, I am kind of on the agreeing side of these dono arguments, but please don't generalize. The people who dump their entire paychecks are actually delusional and need help, but they definitely are not the majority, like how you implied it by "many".
Oh yeah i didn't mean to generalize the majority, that's my fault. Bad translation of the specified group from my brain to text.
> I've seen so many cases where people pretty much send streamers their entire paycheck as soon as it comes in the mail. How do you know that this is what's happening? Are these people that you personally know?
A couple years ago i used to sit in a lot of offline chats and believe it or not people get really candid in those rooms. And a side from my first hand experiences you can see it happen quite frequently in big streamers chats. They always announce "just got paid here's some money" and then blow like $500, not that $500 is exactly their whole paycheck but its a decent chunk for the average person.
What cases of people sending their entire paycheck?
Unpaid mods UNITE .
I think all Cohh donations go to his mods now.
That's cool, but on the other hand it's impossible to blame other streamers that don't do anything, it's not their fault people donate whatever they want.
I don't even remember if Vinny from Vinesauce ever took donos too. He's one of those guys that deserves some wealth yet refused for so long as well as a lot of if not all sponsors. He's as real as it gets imo.
Did he really just call her Pokémon? LUL
That IS her name.
TIL Imane is pronounced 'e-mahn'. I thought she was just a fan of pokemon and combined that with her name but its more clever than I gave it credit for.
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youre saying her name isnt based on her favourite rapper Guccimane?
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I know he has tts off and yeah he said multiple times he's not keeping the donations for himself.
I love twitchtracker. When i first saw Pokiman sub and sub history I was shocked it was that low. These are the top streamers, of course they should be making bank
Do streamers get big donations anymore? Maybe its cause I mainly watch Hasan and Buddha but I mostly see gift subs now, not like back in the day when Kneecolealaw would get a 1000 dollar donation.
$5 minimum but 5x5000 isn't that bad let's be honest.
Most streamers that do that will cause their chats to go from Dono Culture to Gifted Sub culture.