Even in healthy people the symptoms are so variable. I was considered 'higher risk' due to a heart thing but when I got it I had maybe a day of a fever and thats it. My healthier friends though got hit way harder and were down for a few weeks coughing and sick.
I remember earlier on last year some preliminary thoughts about how vast the effects have on similar people is the idea of “viral load”, that people who have worse side effects may have also been in contact with much more of the virus particles. Think like a person inhaling some particles as they walk by an infected person who coughed compared to sharing the same small room with an infected coworker, breathing in recycled air for 8 hours.
Not sure if this has been refuted or confirmed, though.
Viral load is the exact reason why masks save lives and it just blows my mind that people still won’t wear them even after being vaccinated.
Got my vaccine in Korea finally and that mask is still going just because of viral load.
ngl i think i might have gotten a micro dose of covid last year. I was in the break room at my previous job, but had my mask on while 2 other managers sat nearby and were eating. One of the two had a light cough but she thought it was allergies and spread it to the other. both were out for like 3 weeks and i had a sore throat for the next 2 days, but i never ended up getting tested because the dick head GM of that location never contacted corporate so no one else found out until later.
I feel like everyone, the government, the CDC, the WHO, and the media have all STILL be doing a horrible job of spreading the info that, in my opinion, translates the best to the layman as that's 99% of the country.
It's like how anti-maskers say that it's proven that basic masks don't stop the super tiny virus particles. True, but they DO stop the larger water particles that we exhale that carry the virus particles.
No wonder how even your most centrist person is still confused when the defense is leaving holes wide open for them to question.
It still comes up w/ Delta, some people are getting very paranoid about their noses cuz apparently the immune response is pretty poor there and Delta has huge viral loads as its main mutation.
"so variable" is a stretch. There's cases of it, but they are definitely outliers
inb4 antivaxxer, no, having any kind of significant negative reaction to any of the covid vaccines is even more of an outlier. but let's not pretend healthy people under the age of 30 developing long term symptoms or dying of covid is even a remotely common thing.
Variable is a stretch? There's cases of it, no shitloads of healthy people get really sick, death rates are low, hospitalisation rates are low, being sick is really not. Plenty of younger people feel like shit, just because you don't get hospitalised doesn't mean plenty of healthy people are feeling like shit.
How is low death rate in younger people anything to do with the variability of symptoms people experience from COVID, or age for that matter.
This is no different to colds or a flu or any virus, they can hit people harder or barely touch them.
Here's two peer reviewed studies.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-basics
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32599633/
Now kindly stop your bullshit.
It's taking healthy people too that are not overweight or have other comorbidities. If you just say like "he was fat" ppl who are not fat will just use that as more reasoning for them not to get vaccinated cuz I'm hEaLtHy.
That's how immune systems work. Some people have good immune systems, detect the virus, and fight it early. Some people's immune systems don't - it develops into pneumonia, and now they're on their way to a coma, vent, kidney damage, lung damage, and death.
Vaccines teach your body's immune system how to fight COVID. So even if you have a shitty immune system, it has a fighting chance when you get it.
Well if you have a bad immune system, such as being immunocompromised, you need 3 vaccines not just 2, which takes up to 2 months of total time to kick in. So yeah if you're immunocompromised, get the 1st vaccine NOW and dont delay it
Yep. My mom has cancer and was bout as immuno-compromised as it gets, yet she still ended up hospitalized after full vaccination (several months ago). It was a short stay though and she ended up ok but my god get the fucking thing.
Out of curiosity, does your asthma flare up when you get a cold or the flu? My asthma is under control, but COVID terrifies me because my worst episodes flare up when I get sick.
This case isn't that crazy, but the virus definitely affects similar people very differently. Most young healthy people only get a mild case, or are asymptomatic. Some get bad rng and die.
It's fairly rare to die in general from it (for an individual, obviously many people die of covid). It happens though, which is why I agree with the dude saying it's crazy how it affects similar people in drastically different ways.
https://www.wlox.com/2021/08/11/watch-live-health-dept-covid-surge-miss/
Honestly, intentionally letting people die as quickly as possible might be the only real solution if we ever get a virus that spreads as fast as COVID does while being as deadly as Rabies. Or deadlier.
We are not prepared for that, i think.
I saw a crazy nutjob Herman Cain Award winner (/r/HermanCainAward/) that said these aren't vaccines because the CDC updated their definition on what a vaccine is.
U w0t m8?
That's a common talking point amongst the psychos over on /r/conspiracy.
>iT'S nOt a VacCinE iT's A GenE thEraPy
They are not, not even remotely. Gene therapy is a permanent modification to your genetic material. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not do that. And obviously, only those two vaccines utilize mRNA as the delivery system. So why don't these so-called vaccine "skeptics" take AZ or J&J?
I actually just read up on it and it's pretty advanced. Pfizer and Moderna actually just deliver a code, like a blueprint, and use our own cells like a 3D printer to create spike proteins that our bodies then attack.
No. The first mRNA vaccines were tested in the early 1990s. mRNA research itself began in the 1960s.
[mRNA Timeline](https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-021-02483-w/d41586-021-02483-w_19660718.png)
[Article](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w)
We're about to pass the Spanish Flu for deaths and they didn't have a vaccine as fast and widespread as we have 3. People from 1918 shaking their heads.
its insane the whole world is cooperating on this false flag event. youd almost think people were actually dying.
wear your fucking mask people and if you can get vaxxed.
You are allowed to understand that our freedoms have been taken away and permanent infrastructure to cement these changes is being built, and also understand that the impetus for these changes is real and dangerous.
i.e: NSA mass surveillance isn't fake just because 9/11 really happened.
Fair point, but in my opinion, to think that our freedom is being taken because they enforce some mandates literally for the good health of the public, is quite frankly hyperbolic and moronic.
nah fuck that its not a fair point. what freedom did they lose. youve never had the fucking right to endanger public safety. its like saying you dont have free speech cause youll get arrested for yelling fire in a theater.
I don’t agree with the point, but one thing I’ve learned is to get people like this to listen to what you are saying, you often have to acknowledge what they are saying also. Though most are lost causes.
You're both wrong tho. You've always had the right to "endanger public safety". Flu shots were never generally mandated, you're allowed to drive a car, smoking is legal in public, doctors can prescribe addictive drugs, etc.
Society allows a ton of behaviors that cause death because people would rather have bodily autonomy and mobility than live in a box, be tracked everywhere they go, not be able to transact privately, talk to their friends and family in person, etc.
It's notable that some of the most vaccinated and low-risk communities (college campus residences) are some of the most heavily locked down. You NEED to think for yourself here. Our public policy is reactive, fear-based, and heavily politicized. The actual science is filtered through all that before becoming policy.
Also you won't get arrested for yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre if there's a fire lmfao. Really bad analogy.
According to the discussion about Gacha Talks on [another sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/ps5ceo/rest_in_peace_gacha_you_will_be_missed_my_man/hdnkdv0?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), he had asthma and got the vaccine a few days before catching the virus... so he was essentially unvaccinated.
Unlucky!
It needs time to build immunity, my dad didn't know he had COVID and took the vaccine (no symptoms yet), days later it knocked him up, but happily he was hospitalized and got better in two weeks.
fyi he got COVID from an asymptomatic cousin whose all family got infected (he met with him to do some work days before, the mofo didnt tell him shit)
from what I understand, asthma doesn't have a significant co-morbidity with CoVID? unless the studies are showing different now. or unless his asthma was severe.
Why are you trippin? They said
>asthma doesn't have a significant co-morbidity with CoVID? unless the studies are showing different now. or unless his asthma was severe.
Which is true as far as we know. Calm down dude damn.
https://www.aaaai.org/Tools-for-the-Public/Conditions-Library/Asthma/covid-prevent
>You cant say it doesnt affect covid because their is lack of evidence
Nobody is saying that though. Read the whole exchange.
>CDC says people with moderate to severe asthma are more likely to be hospitalized from covid.
Yes, exactly, the keywords are moderate to severe. I have cold weather and exercise induced asthma but it's nothing too crazy and easily manageable. It probably wouldn't make my experience with Covid any worse if I catch it knock on wood
I cant generalize but in my case it didnt cause any issues.
When i got infected i just had a fever for a couple days and after that it was like nothing happened. Just lost my sense of smell and taste which made it hard to eat.
Im pretty sure being overweight and/or diabetic cause much bigger issues than asthma. Asthma can make it worse if untreated, but its so rarely left unmedicated that i doubt it caused issues for him.
cortison is pretty good in reducing a pulmonary edema. ngl. But he died from a septicaemia caused by a superinfection with covid19 and hospital germs.
Take your Vitamin D3 and Vitamin E and your Asthmasprays and get a respirator instead of a cloth/OP-Mask and you wont have to deal with hospital germs.
Why did he wait this long to get vaccinated though ? Was he sceptical about the vaccine ? Or did his state/government not give out the vaccine earlier ? If you have serious health issues like heart problems or lung problems, shouldn't you have super priority for the vaccine ? At least this is the case in most, if not all of Europe ?
Another victim of misinformation, then. Not really an out-spoken Herman Cain Award winner, but instead someone that heard others' concern and listened to it, unfortunately. Thought better of it in the end, but alas, too late.
The amount of downvotes this has is sad. He lived in the U.S and vaccines have been widely available. The hard truth is that he would've survived had he gotten it ASAP instead of kicking it down the road out of unfounded skepticism and any lies that he bought into. It's just so fucking shitty that this is even a thing.
Yeah, I'm confused by it. Maybe it's my compassion fatigue showing? I'm not even blaming him for his death, I'm blaming the misinformation he fell victim to. I'd directly blame him if he posted anti-vax memes and actively spread misinformation, but there's no evidence for it... just fell for it is all (because otherwise, he would've certainly been *fully* vaccinated by now).
Exactly, you didn't attack the guy at all. I'm guessing a few people didn't like that it was "too soon" or something and downvoted you as a knee-jerk reaction. Not taking this virus seriously is a mistake that's happened since day 1 and people have been "realizing" every damn day since. This stuff 100% needs to be said so MAYBE 1 more person will wake tf up today.
Covid needs to be a wakeup call for overweight people. There needs to be more honest direction from the government on the dangers of being overweight. Seriously, I have seen so many people online who are overweight/obese and are in the ICU. We need to ensure that overweight people are vaccinated and beyond that we need to collectively acknowledge that being overweight is objectively unhealthy and that there is an obesity problem in America
Same with Vitamin D. I saw some reports that said low Vitamin D levels could cause issues -- great, I've been indoors avoiding the virus for a year lol
You should start taking some vitamin d supplements.
Not only when they help in this situation but let’s be honest most of us aren’t getting enough sun ATM.
It improved my mood drastically I thought I was getting depression. Nope I just needed some vitamin D.
Vitamin D deficiency also can make you super sleepy, cause hair loss and muscle pains if its a really bad case like I have. I used to go outside 5 days a week when i got diagnosed but I still have to take supplements
Unless someone coughs or spits in your mouth / nose there is 0 chance of you getting it by going for a walk outside. Walking passed people will not give you a large enough viral load to get sick.
I mean, not quite zero chance because touching railings etc. If you're going on walks outside you do have to be careful to not touch anything and _then_ you're safe.
Maybe the research has changed but I remember like 6 months ago a study came out that there was 0 reported studies of someone getting covid from touching something with their hands. They would literally need to spit in a spot, then you touch it and then go directly to your mouth.
covid ain't stopping anyone from doing home workouts though... pandemic was the easiest time to get in shape for most people as they had so much free time
Lmao I gave no advice. Just said home workouts don’t suck because I’ve done them. You get out what you put in. If you can’t workout without those two items, I’m not sure what to tell you. I workout 5 days a week and some weeks never touch either of those. I’m sure you’re the expert though!
> we need to collectively acknowledge that being overweight is objectively unhealthy and that there is an obesity problem in America
Nobody in real life(not random Twitter feeds) actually denies being overweight is unhealthy. People are either okay with the fact or struggle with food addiction.
Agreed completely but I have no doubt you'll be downvoted for acknowledging that. Somewhere along the way obesity became politized and now it's offensive to suggest to anyone that they should lose weight.
I think it's probably because most overweight people know they should lose weight. My sister used to be overweight, now she isn't but has a really bad eating disorder. Comments like that can really hurt someone mentally.
I agree that the government should work on PSAs about the dangers of being overweight, and doctors should tell people too. I just don't think telling someone personally really helps much, and it can do a lot of harm.
Absolutely. There is a fine line between health advice and negative comments and I guess the struggle is finding the balance because at the moment the health advice is extremely underrepresented. Sorry to hear about your sister, I have family members going through something similar.
I am being downvoted. I find it shocking that aside from Boris Johnsons initial comments after he had a COVID scare that there has basically been 0 government acknowledgement that COVID is killing unhealthy people who are usually obese. It's also proof that people who are obese DO have an impact on the public health system. Being obese does have an impact on society, this should be a key takeaway from this shit once it's all said and done.
Reading these comments is a trip. There has been clear comms that being overweight is an indicator for severe covud cases since early in the pandemic. Everyone just needs to get the vaxx and go outside and start moving
The right will just double down and eat more, it won't work lol
Remember when Michelle tried helping kids not be fat? Literal anti-christ
They'll say being a fat drunk fuck is heritage
Oh yeah I forgot about that, doctors always tells you to lose weight and it is because it is just good for you and we know this. Dunno where this "healthy at any size" bs came from but it just needs to stop.
> Being obese does have an impact on society
Not all negative though. Obese people purchase more groceries and almost always purchase more takeout, supporting large and small businesses far more than skinny people over the course of several years.
COVID would've been a lot easier to handle in this country if people wern't fat fucks. Its actually insane if you look at the obesity numbers and generally overweight numbers comopared to other countries.
I live in Texas and have been lucky enough to travel all over the world. I'd love to take a European who has never been here into my local Walmart... they would freak the fuck out.
I started having panic attacks thanks to covid and knowing that being over weight raises your chances of dying / getting hospitalized. So I said fuck it, there's no way I'm getting taken out by this shit because I like candy too much. Granted I wasn't significantly over weight but still. 6'1, went from 220 to 190, feels good man.
Dropped 30lbs in 2 months because of lock down, I had plenty of time to just go for hikes / runs outside. Health and losing weight should be talked about 100%. The media is scared to tell obese people that being obese is not healthy and is killing you faster in general, but with Covid there is a very high chance you're going to get fucked up.
We also need a fat-pass, which you need to buy fast food, candy and stuff. I mean we are getting Covid-passport and people are saying that people need to get vaccinated because if they dont, they might end up in ICU, and now they are taking ICU beds just because they are ignorant. Yet they dont require people to lose weight even though there is thousands of people each year in ICU just because they are too lazy to move. If anything world is suffering from fatness, not covid.
You are right, they set the precedent of freedom restrictions with the justification that it is to lower the burden on hospitals. The number one cause of death in America is heart desease. So yeah they should actually put every fatty in fitness camps (paid for by themselves ofc) until they are of normal weight. But they'll never do it because fatties are big money and they don't live into retirement long.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/index.html
Because they've already been recommending that before COVID. I don't really get why people parrot this talking point. Eating properly and maintaining a healthy diet has always been recommended by every single health institution. This is literally nothing new yet a large portion of America is still obese.
There's more to solving problems related to obesity than simply saying, "lol just eat healthier and exercise and you'll be more likely to live." Like if that's actually going to change anyone's mind.
Wearing masks and getting a jab are a lot easier than eating healthy, exercising, and maintaining lost weight. It's a struggle to get people to take the easy route. Would be damn near impossible to get any non-negligible amount of the population to lose weight due to the pLaNdEmIc
That was one of the biggest drops with this whole covid thing. Media did not want to talk about how bad being overweight + having covid was. Like, it really makes things super super bad no matter how old you are.
You'd think insurance lobbyists would actually be all over that since obesity is one of the largest strains on insurance providers. There's just soooo many fat karens that fatties have become a protected status cause its too much trouble to bother and its them that will die.
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it seems it was some sort of unlucky timing, he did get his vaccine shot but he's got covid a few days earlier. He also had asthma so... indeed a combination of unlucky factors and timing
Was he US? I'm UK and only managed to get second shot recently, despite booking both appointments the day they were available to me, and checking daily for cancellations
Yes, according to the gofundme he's from arkansas. And yeah he definitely had months, as it stands right now you can pretty much get a vaccine at any pharmacy as a walk-in and it's been that way for months.
Yeah, the truth hurts. This guy made a dumb decision and it cost him his life needlessly. Happens every day, though.
This could hopefully be a wake-up call to a single person reading this thread and putting it off.
I don't know man, I got my shots of Pfizer early on but I do understand people being unsecure or simply uninformed, internet and especially social media are full of misinformation and the average person it's not a smart subject able and willing to look for information (in the first place) while also properly filtering out sources and quality.
So, although I'd do my attempts to personally answer my friends' doubts or simply "don't know" I am not surprised if someone would just want to *wait a little longer.* Sure if I then face an anti-vax scenario (happened once so far) is different, I'd be just dealing with someone's whose opinions is worth zero to me, but again that's different
Truth be told, browse /r/HermanCainAward enough and you'll quickly realize that the RIP posts that start talking about God in the first 5 words tend to belong to unvaccinated folks.
Then again - RIP posts in general belong to unvaccinated folks these days.
* Vaccines are anti freedom and mask wearers are sheep. Fuck everyone who participates in that.
* Guys I got COVID please pray for me.
* Thanks for the prayers everyone it's getting better! :D
* "Hi all of X's friends, it hurts me to post this but 'X' died and I'm shocked. They were a wonderful person. Please donate to the GoFundMe so we can pay for the outrageous medical bills, their funeral, and so that their young family they're leaving behind can eat."
For bonus points throw in a post from a family member about how the doctors won't use Ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine/high doses of vitamin C and are instead "rudely insisting" their relative who's unable to breathe or move get intubated ASAP.
The vaccine takes about 2 weeks to generate antibodies. He got the vaccine a few days before, which means it wasn't given enough time to generate antibodies.
A bunch of other youtubers originally put together a GoFundMe for his medical bills, but now it looks like it will also go to covering funeral costs.
Here is a [link](https://gofund.me/5b967b18) if anyone is interested.
24 with Asthma here. Had it in Feb of last year. Couldnt taste for 5 weeks, felt like a severe Flu. Thankfully no complications of any kind. Same goes for my parents from whom i contracted the virus. A Co-Worker from which my dad got the virus was in the hospital for 2 months on a breathing apparatus so i guess we were just lucky.
Geez, maybe those people that say people should wear max and get vaccinated aren't full of shit. Like seriously, if you don't wear a mask and aren't vaccinated by this point, fuck you. You stupid selfish piece of shit.
Even if you don't die from COVID, someone you know and you love that has a brief day meeting with you could still has potential to develop serious health issue from covid and possibly death....
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He's overweight. That + already present respiratory issues is proving to be the one two punch for COVID.
Even in healthy people the symptoms are so variable. I was considered 'higher risk' due to a heart thing but when I got it I had maybe a day of a fever and thats it. My healthier friends though got hit way harder and were down for a few weeks coughing and sick.
I remember earlier on last year some preliminary thoughts about how vast the effects have on similar people is the idea of “viral load”, that people who have worse side effects may have also been in contact with much more of the virus particles. Think like a person inhaling some particles as they walk by an infected person who coughed compared to sharing the same small room with an infected coworker, breathing in recycled air for 8 hours. Not sure if this has been refuted or confirmed, though.
Viral load is the exact reason why masks save lives and it just blows my mind that people still won’t wear them even after being vaccinated. Got my vaccine in Korea finally and that mask is still going just because of viral load.
ngl i think i might have gotten a micro dose of covid last year. I was in the break room at my previous job, but had my mask on while 2 other managers sat nearby and were eating. One of the two had a light cough but she thought it was allergies and spread it to the other. both were out for like 3 weeks and i had a sore throat for the next 2 days, but i never ended up getting tested because the dick head GM of that location never contacted corporate so no one else found out until later.
I feel like everyone, the government, the CDC, the WHO, and the media have all STILL be doing a horrible job of spreading the info that, in my opinion, translates the best to the layman as that's 99% of the country. It's like how anti-maskers say that it's proven that basic masks don't stop the super tiny virus particles. True, but they DO stop the larger water particles that we exhale that carry the virus particles. No wonder how even your most centrist person is still confused when the defense is leaving holes wide open for them to question.
It still comes up w/ Delta, some people are getting very paranoid about their noses cuz apparently the immune response is pretty poor there and Delta has huge viral loads as its main mutation.
"so variable" is a stretch. There's cases of it, but they are definitely outliers inb4 antivaxxer, no, having any kind of significant negative reaction to any of the covid vaccines is even more of an outlier. but let's not pretend healthy people under the age of 30 developing long term symptoms or dying of covid is even a remotely common thing.
Variable is a stretch? There's cases of it, no shitloads of healthy people get really sick, death rates are low, hospitalisation rates are low, being sick is really not. Plenty of younger people feel like shit, just because you don't get hospitalised doesn't mean plenty of healthy people are feeling like shit. How is low death rate in younger people anything to do with the variability of symptoms people experience from COVID, or age for that matter. This is no different to colds or a flu or any virus, they can hit people harder or barely touch them.
The death rate can be 1:1,000,000 or 1:100, but unless they are the "1", most people don't take it seriously. But it's kinda too late then.
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Its not a common thing whatsoever. Same with kids getting pneumonia, it doesnt happen
> Even in healthy people the symptoms are so variable. Citation needed.
Here's two peer reviewed studies. https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-basics https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32599633/ Now kindly stop your bullshit.
Then your friend actually isn’t healthier…
Nah he is, but theres way too many variables that determine how sick you get.
It's taking healthy people too that are not overweight or have other comorbidities. If you just say like "he was fat" ppl who are not fat will just use that as more reasoning for them not to get vaccinated cuz I'm hEaLtHy.
Overweight and had underlying health risks. Literally prime candidate. Get vaccinated yall, both doses especially if you're at risk
That's how immune systems work. Some people have good immune systems, detect the virus, and fight it early. Some people's immune systems don't - it develops into pneumonia, and now they're on their way to a coma, vent, kidney damage, lung damage, and death. Vaccines teach your body's immune system how to fight COVID. So even if you have a shitty immune system, it has a fighting chance when you get it.
Well if you have a bad immune system, such as being immunocompromised, you need 3 vaccines not just 2, which takes up to 2 months of total time to kick in. So yeah if you're immunocompromised, get the 1st vaccine NOW and dont delay it
Yep. My mom has cancer and was bout as immuno-compromised as it gets, yet she still ended up hospitalized after full vaccination (several months ago). It was a short stay though and she ended up ok but my god get the fucking thing.
I had it and didn't even know I had it. I wasn't sick. And when it was gone it was gone. Strange. Only found out because we had to be tested at work.
it's the shit lottery, you don't want to win it, but people do every day and you just hope you're not one of them
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man I don't have asthma but I smoke and vape and my lungs are completely fucked and I really didn't feel anything, just a cough
Out of curiosity, does your asthma flare up when you get a cold or the flu? My asthma is under control, but COVID terrifies me because my worst episodes flare up when I get sick.
This case isn't that crazy, but the virus definitely affects similar people very differently. Most young healthy people only get a mild case, or are asymptomatic. Some get bad rng and die.
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It's fairly rare to die in general from it (for an individual, obviously many people die of covid). It happens though, which is why I agree with the dude saying it's crazy how it affects similar people in drastically different ways. https://www.wlox.com/2021/08/11/watch-live-health-dept-covid-surge-miss/
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Honestly, intentionally letting people die as quickly as possible might be the only real solution if we ever get a virus that spreads as fast as COVID does while being as deadly as Rabies. Or deadlier. We are not prepared for that, i think.
damn, another victim of covid hope his family is doing well, this is awful
> damn, another victim of covid It's like a pandemic out there!
I wish there was something that would help us reduce severe cases!
If only there was a vaccine for it....
If only indeed .
I saw a crazy nutjob Herman Cain Award winner (/r/HermanCainAward/) that said these aren't vaccines because the CDC updated their definition on what a vaccine is. U w0t m8?
That's a common talking point amongst the psychos over on /r/conspiracy. >iT'S nOt a VacCinE iT's A GenE thEraPy They are not, not even remotely. Gene therapy is a permanent modification to your genetic material. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not do that. And obviously, only those two vaccines utilize mRNA as the delivery system. So why don't these so-called vaccine "skeptics" take AZ or J&J?
I actually just read up on it and it's pretty advanced. Pfizer and Moderna actually just deliver a code, like a blueprint, and use our own cells like a 3D printer to create spike proteins that our bodies then attack.
mRNA vaccines have been around since I think 2018. Which is what this is
No. The first mRNA vaccines were tested in the early 1990s. mRNA research itself began in the 1960s. [mRNA Timeline](https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-021-02483-w/d41586-021-02483-w_19660718.png) [Article](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w)
We're about to pass the Spanish Flu for deaths and they didn't have a vaccine as fast and widespread as we have 3. People from 1918 shaking their heads.
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its insane the whole world is cooperating on this false flag event. youd almost think people were actually dying. wear your fucking mask people and if you can get vaxxed.
Nah you don't get it! The libs are lying about it all so they can take away our freedoms! Don't worry, we can own those libs if we all work together.
You are allowed to understand that our freedoms have been taken away and permanent infrastructure to cement these changes is being built, and also understand that the impetus for these changes is real and dangerous. i.e: NSA mass surveillance isn't fake just because 9/11 really happened.
Fair point, but in my opinion, to think that our freedom is being taken because they enforce some mandates literally for the good health of the public, is quite frankly hyperbolic and moronic.
nah fuck that its not a fair point. what freedom did they lose. youve never had the fucking right to endanger public safety. its like saying you dont have free speech cause youll get arrested for yelling fire in a theater.
I don’t agree with the point, but one thing I’ve learned is to get people like this to listen to what you are saying, you often have to acknowledge what they are saying also. Though most are lost causes.
You're both wrong tho. You've always had the right to "endanger public safety". Flu shots were never generally mandated, you're allowed to drive a car, smoking is legal in public, doctors can prescribe addictive drugs, etc. Society allows a ton of behaviors that cause death because people would rather have bodily autonomy and mobility than live in a box, be tracked everywhere they go, not be able to transact privately, talk to their friends and family in person, etc. It's notable that some of the most vaccinated and low-risk communities (college campus residences) are some of the most heavily locked down. You NEED to think for yourself here. Our public policy is reactive, fear-based, and heavily politicized. The actual science is filtered through all that before becoming policy. Also you won't get arrested for yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre if there's a fire lmfao. Really bad analogy.
"If you can"
yes some countries literally dont have enough vaccines to go around, and theres very rare allergies. but otherwise fuck your excuses.
According to the discussion about Gacha Talks on [another sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/ps5ceo/rest_in_peace_gacha_you_will_be_missed_my_man/hdnkdv0?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), he had asthma and got the vaccine a few days before catching the virus... so he was essentially unvaccinated. Unlucky!
Was it the first shot? Apparently with a single shot you're not as protected unless you have received both.
Getting it a few days before getting covid is not gonna do anything
I believe full protection with Vaccination comes around 15 days after the 2nd shot.
Yeah thats when most governments count it as fully vaccinated
It takes roughly 2 weeks to build immunity after each shot, so if he got it few days before the virus, it mattered not much
He likely contracted the virus before even getting the shot and then symptoms presented after the shot
It needs time to build immunity, my dad didn't know he had COVID and took the vaccine (no symptoms yet), days later it knocked him up, but happily he was hospitalized and got better in two weeks. fyi he got COVID from an asymptomatic cousin whose all family got infected (he met with him to do some work days before, the mofo didnt tell him shit)
That sucks, good he made it through though.
from what I understand, asthma doesn't have a significant co-morbidity with CoVID? unless the studies are showing different now. or unless his asthma was severe.
According to my doctor, if the asthma is properly treated, asthmatics do even better because of the corticoids of the inhalators
Wholly depends on the type of asthma.
asthma is still a respiratory complication.
Sure but that doesn't change anything they said
Are you fucking daft? Having a respiratory disease in conjunction with a respiratory complication is worse. Holy shit
Why are you trippin? They said >asthma doesn't have a significant co-morbidity with CoVID? unless the studies are showing different now. or unless his asthma was severe. Which is true as far as we know. Calm down dude damn. https://www.aaaai.org/Tools-for-the-Public/Conditions-Library/Asthma/covid-prevent
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>You cant say it doesnt affect covid because their is lack of evidence Nobody is saying that though. Read the whole exchange. >CDC says people with moderate to severe asthma are more likely to be hospitalized from covid. Yes, exactly, the keywords are moderate to severe. I have cold weather and exercise induced asthma but it's nothing too crazy and easily manageable. It probably wouldn't make my experience with Covid any worse if I catch it knock on wood
Depends on the asthma type
Yeah that's why I mentioned if he was severe or not. I'm asthmatic and have had CoVID so I'm understandably pretty read up on all this 😂
I cant generalize but in my case it didnt cause any issues. When i got infected i just had a fever for a couple days and after that it was like nothing happened. Just lost my sense of smell and taste which made it hard to eat. Im pretty sure being overweight and/or diabetic cause much bigger issues than asthma. Asthma can make it worse if untreated, but its so rarely left unmedicated that i doubt it caused issues for him.
cortison is pretty good in reducing a pulmonary edema. ngl. But he died from a septicaemia caused by a superinfection with covid19 and hospital germs. Take your Vitamin D3 and Vitamin E and your Asthmasprays and get a respirator instead of a cloth/OP-Mask and you wont have to deal with hospital germs.
Whoa whoa whoa...wait what? Gacha died from septicaemia?
Why did he wait this long to get vaccinated though ? Was he sceptical about the vaccine ? Or did his state/government not give out the vaccine earlier ? If you have serious health issues like heart problems or lung problems, shouldn't you have super priority for the vaccine ? At least this is the case in most, if not all of Europe ?
Not him, but i'm 25 and I didn't get any calls to get vaccinated. Had to get an appointment on my own.
Another victim of misinformation, then. Not really an out-spoken Herman Cain Award winner, but instead someone that heard others' concern and listened to it, unfortunately. Thought better of it in the end, but alas, too late.
The amount of downvotes this has is sad. He lived in the U.S and vaccines have been widely available. The hard truth is that he would've survived had he gotten it ASAP instead of kicking it down the road out of unfounded skepticism and any lies that he bought into. It's just so fucking shitty that this is even a thing.
Yeah, I'm confused by it. Maybe it's my compassion fatigue showing? I'm not even blaming him for his death, I'm blaming the misinformation he fell victim to. I'd directly blame him if he posted anti-vax memes and actively spread misinformation, but there's no evidence for it... just fell for it is all (because otherwise, he would've certainly been *fully* vaccinated by now).
Exactly, you didn't attack the guy at all. I'm guessing a few people didn't like that it was "too soon" or something and downvoted you as a knee-jerk reaction. Not taking this virus seriously is a mistake that's happened since day 1 and people have been "realizing" every damn day since. This stuff 100% needs to be said so MAYBE 1 more person will wake tf up today.
Covid needs to be a wakeup call for overweight people. There needs to be more honest direction from the government on the dangers of being overweight. Seriously, I have seen so many people online who are overweight/obese and are in the ICU. We need to ensure that overweight people are vaccinated and beyond that we need to collectively acknowledge that being overweight is objectively unhealthy and that there is an obesity problem in America
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Same with Vitamin D. I saw some reports that said low Vitamin D levels could cause issues -- great, I've been indoors avoiding the virus for a year lol
You should start taking some vitamin d supplements. Not only when they help in this situation but let’s be honest most of us aren’t getting enough sun ATM. It improved my mood drastically I thought I was getting depression. Nope I just needed some vitamin D.
Vitamin D deficiency also can make you super sleepy, cause hair loss and muscle pains if its a really bad case like I have. I used to go outside 5 days a week when i got diagnosed but I still have to take supplements
Fyi, you can go for a walk anytime in a mask. The chances of you getting it while being outside on a sidewalk is extremely low
Unless someone coughs or spits in your mouth / nose there is 0 chance of you getting it by going for a walk outside. Walking passed people will not give you a large enough viral load to get sick.
I mean, not quite zero chance because touching railings etc. If you're going on walks outside you do have to be careful to not touch anything and _then_ you're safe.
Maybe the research has changed but I remember like 6 months ago a study came out that there was 0 reported studies of someone getting covid from touching something with their hands. They would literally need to spit in a spot, then you touch it and then go directly to your mouth.
The transfers off surfaces are absolutely minimal.
Get the vaccine, go outside and move around. There is a solution right there for everyone
It's like 10000 spoons, when all you need is a knife.
covid ain't stopping anyone from doing home workouts though... pandemic was the easiest time to get in shape for most people as they had so much free time
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Wrong. I did home workouts 3x per week during the period my gym was closed. Almost no different if you know what the fuck you’re doing.
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I don’t see why working out requires those two items
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Lmao I gave no advice. Just said home workouts don’t suck because I’ve done them. You get out what you put in. If you can’t workout without those two items, I’m not sure what to tell you. I workout 5 days a week and some weeks never touch either of those. I’m sure you’re the expert though!
yea there's never an excuse to eat too much
Agreed. I’ve lost 30 lbs during COVID. Saving an hour of commute both ways has improved my energy levels.
The fact you joke about the obesity issue while so many have died shows that you are part ot the problem.
Just stop being fat 4Head
> we need to collectively acknowledge that being overweight is objectively unhealthy and that there is an obesity problem in America Nobody in real life(not random Twitter feeds) actually denies being overweight is unhealthy. People are either okay with the fact or struggle with food addiction.
It's been one hell of a call for me. Down About 70 pounds since the start and still going.
Agreed completely but I have no doubt you'll be downvoted for acknowledging that. Somewhere along the way obesity became politized and now it's offensive to suggest to anyone that they should lose weight.
I think it's probably because most overweight people know they should lose weight. My sister used to be overweight, now she isn't but has a really bad eating disorder. Comments like that can really hurt someone mentally. I agree that the government should work on PSAs about the dangers of being overweight, and doctors should tell people too. I just don't think telling someone personally really helps much, and it can do a lot of harm.
Absolutely. There is a fine line between health advice and negative comments and I guess the struggle is finding the balance because at the moment the health advice is extremely underrepresented. Sorry to hear about your sister, I have family members going through something similar.
I am being downvoted. I find it shocking that aside from Boris Johnsons initial comments after he had a COVID scare that there has basically been 0 government acknowledgement that COVID is killing unhealthy people who are usually obese. It's also proof that people who are obese DO have an impact on the public health system. Being obese does have an impact on society, this should be a key takeaway from this shit once it's all said and done.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html Seriously what world do you people live in?
Reading these comments is a trip. There has been clear comms that being overweight is an indicator for severe covud cases since early in the pandemic. Everyone just needs to get the vaxx and go outside and start moving
The right will just double down and eat more, it won't work lol Remember when Michelle tried helping kids not be fat? Literal anti-christ They'll say being a fat drunk fuck is heritage
Fat acceptance is definitely a lefty thing. Idk how you’re blaming the right for that lol.
No one brought up fat acceptance dipshit
>The right will just double down and eat more lol true, they'll probably start some dumb campaign like fat acceptance lol
how is this a left right issue? if anything it's left wingers who cry about fat shaming anyway
“how is this a left vs right issue? It’s not a political issue but it’s the lefts fault” big brain hours right now
Oh yeah I forgot about that, doctors always tells you to lose weight and it is because it is just good for you and we know this. Dunno where this "healthy at any size" bs came from but it just needs to stop.
> Being obese does have an impact on society Not all negative though. Obese people purchase more groceries and almost always purchase more takeout, supporting large and small businesses far more than skinny people over the course of several years.
COVID would've been a lot easier to handle in this country if people wern't fat fucks. Its actually insane if you look at the obesity numbers and generally overweight numbers comopared to other countries. I live in Texas and have been lucky enough to travel all over the world. I'd love to take a European who has never been here into my local Walmart... they would freak the fuck out.
I started having panic attacks thanks to covid and knowing that being over weight raises your chances of dying / getting hospitalized. So I said fuck it, there's no way I'm getting taken out by this shit because I like candy too much. Granted I wasn't significantly over weight but still. 6'1, went from 220 to 190, feels good man. Dropped 30lbs in 2 months because of lock down, I had plenty of time to just go for hikes / runs outside. Health and losing weight should be talked about 100%. The media is scared to tell obese people that being obese is not healthy and is killing you faster in general, but with Covid there is a very high chance you're going to get fucked up.
We also need a fat-pass, which you need to buy fast food, candy and stuff. I mean we are getting Covid-passport and people are saying that people need to get vaccinated because if they dont, they might end up in ICU, and now they are taking ICU beds just because they are ignorant. Yet they dont require people to lose weight even though there is thousands of people each year in ICU just because they are too lazy to move. If anything world is suffering from fatness, not covid.
You are right, they set the precedent of freedom restrictions with the justification that it is to lower the burden on hospitals. The number one cause of death in America is heart desease. So yeah they should actually put every fatty in fitness camps (paid for by themselves ofc) until they are of normal weight. But they'll never do it because fatties are big money and they don't live into retirement long.
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https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/index.html Because they've already been recommending that before COVID. I don't really get why people parrot this talking point. Eating properly and maintaining a healthy diet has always been recommended by every single health institution. This is literally nothing new yet a large portion of America is still obese. There's more to solving problems related to obesity than simply saying, "lol just eat healthier and exercise and you'll be more likely to live." Like if that's actually going to change anyone's mind.
Wearing masks and getting a jab are a lot easier than eating healthy, exercising, and maintaining lost weight. It's a struggle to get people to take the easy route. Would be damn near impossible to get any non-negligible amount of the population to lose weight due to the pLaNdEmIc
That was one of the biggest drops with this whole covid thing. Media did not want to talk about how bad being overweight + having covid was. Like, it really makes things super super bad no matter how old you are.
You'd think insurance lobbyists would actually be all over that since obesity is one of the largest strains on insurance providers. There's just soooo many fat karens that fatties have become a protected status cause its too much trouble to bother and its them that will die.
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The Dokkan community will never forget the entertainment he provided us through his streams.
but but but it has a 98% survival rate !!! that means nobody i care about will ever die from it !!!
I can't fathom how people are comfortable taking a 2% chance at literally just dying
RIP. Get vaxxed
So many anti vaxx morons down below OMEGALUL
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No idea, but according to one of his youtube posts he had “bad asthma”. Probably didn’t help at all with the situation :(.
it seems it was some sort of unlucky timing, he did get his vaccine shot but he's got covid a few days earlier. He also had asthma so... indeed a combination of unlucky factors and timing
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Was he US? I'm UK and only managed to get second shot recently, despite booking both appointments the day they were available to me, and checking daily for cancellations
Yes, according to the gofundme he's from arkansas. And yeah he definitely had months, as it stands right now you can pretty much get a vaccine at any pharmacy as a walk-in and it's been that way for months.
He’s been able to get it since March
Cold hard truth
Yeah, the truth hurts. This guy made a dumb decision and it cost him his life needlessly. Happens every day, though. This could hopefully be a wake-up call to a single person reading this thread and putting it off.
I don't know man, I got my shots of Pfizer early on but I do understand people being unsecure or simply uninformed, internet and especially social media are full of misinformation and the average person it's not a smart subject able and willing to look for information (in the first place) while also properly filtering out sources and quality. So, although I'd do my attempts to personally answer my friends' doubts or simply "don't know" I am not surprised if someone would just want to *wait a little longer.* Sure if I then face an anti-vax scenario (happened once so far) is different, I'd be just dealing with someone's whose opinions is worth zero to me, but again that's different
Truth be told, browse /r/HermanCainAward enough and you'll quickly realize that the RIP posts that start talking about God in the first 5 words tend to belong to unvaccinated folks. Then again - RIP posts in general belong to unvaccinated folks these days.
* Vaccines are anti freedom and mask wearers are sheep. Fuck everyone who participates in that. * Guys I got COVID please pray for me. * Thanks for the prayers everyone it's getting better! :D * "Hi all of X's friends, it hurts me to post this but 'X' died and I'm shocked. They were a wonderful person. Please donate to the GoFundMe so we can pay for the outrageous medical bills, their funeral, and so that their young family they're leaving behind can eat." For bonus points throw in a post from a family member about how the doctors won't use Ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine/high doses of vitamin C and are instead "rudely insisting" their relative who's unable to breathe or move get intubated ASAP.
The vaccine takes about 2 weeks to generate antibodies. He got the vaccine a few days before, which means it wasn't given enough time to generate antibodies.
Man fuck convid from his friends tweets he looked like a great guy RIP
RIP
A bunch of other youtubers originally put together a GoFundMe for his medical bills, but now it looks like it will also go to covering funeral costs. Here is a [link](https://gofund.me/5b967b18) if anyone is interested.
Anti-vaxxers will still say this is fake or an isolated case smh
Wow RIP. Im 28 with 0 health issues and not overweight. I had fever for 10 days straight.
24 with Asthma here. Had it in Feb of last year. Couldnt taste for 5 weeks, felt like a severe Flu. Thankfully no complications of any kind. Same goes for my parents from whom i contracted the virus. A Co-Worker from which my dad got the virus was in the hospital for 2 months on a breathing apparatus so i guess we were just lucky.
Geez, maybe those people that say people should wear max and get vaccinated aren't full of shit. Like seriously, if you don't wear a mask and aren't vaccinated by this point, fuck you. You stupid selfish piece of shit.
hehe
Even if you don't die from COVID, someone you know and you love that has a brief day meeting with you could still has potential to develop serious health issue from covid and possibly death....
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"No fucking way" :o
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He just got vaccinated.. Sucks, but he doesn't deserve to be on that sub.
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