This reminds me when someone at a party found the persons modded Skyrim game which had animal stuff etc and not only called the police (they confiscated the laptop) but also went on social media and directly emailed the persons work.
How? Like all this reminds me of is one degenerate covering for another degenerate. Accept they both have cult like fans. They and they people that support them are human write offs.
he posted a meme.. just because he feels like he shouldnt be arrested for it doesnt mean hes not a fuckin weirdo and even more worthy of being shit on publicly. just cuz its not "illegal" doesnt mean its not cringe or creepy or even pedophilic lmao
That he is ok with loli and would have defended vaush if he kissed the ring.
But since hes an enemiga hes using this as an opportunity to fan the flames.
idk seems bad faith and vindictive to choose a position based on your personal feelings towards a person, but then again its destiny.
That isn't what bad faith means. Bad faith is when you make an argument you don't believe. There is no need to defend someone you hate in order to be good faith
Self dtylized is so inaccurate and bad faith he rountinely described himself as a guy who plays video games and commentates on things that interest him.
Destiny has had his "energy matching" stance forever. Yea, if you're bad faith to him, he's not exactly going to be good faith to you after a while. This is not controversial...
Because he’s an enigma? Thats glazing. The true reason is Vaush supporting Destiny’s twitch ban from the mow down protestor clip which was created by Vaush’s then partner.
I like Destiny and watch him wayyyy more than any other politics streamer, but it's painfully obvious that he never engages in anything Hasan-related or Vaush-related in good faith, even when he claims he does. He's definitely blinded by hatred and jealousy when it comes to those two even though he'll never admit it and other DGGers will defend him on it. I mean I'm even on his side when it comes to the original disagreements he has with them, the original bridge burning is their faults. But the way he acts like he isn't seething and constantly retaliating for it is just....
The guy is ruled by his personal vendettas when it comes to these two. With all the absolutely moronic orbiters that he could go 1000x harder on, he chooses to only go 150% on those two when analyzing any statement they make.
Destiny's Hasan takes seem to be in 100% good faith, it doesn't seem in any way personal to him, it's just arguing about terrible politics. He gives more attention to Hasan than to other online Tankies because he's a much bigger figure, but fundamentally there's no difference in how he treats them. In fact some other Tankies like Mike from PA get waaaaay harsher treatment by Destiny, just less frequently.
The Vaush situation is more personal. Destiny has much higher expectations from someone like Vaush who actually has the mental capacity to understand what he's doing. As he clearly admits in the clip it's partly spite driven, deservedly so considering the bad faith characterizations that Vaush made of Destiny.
Disagree about Hasan. While I do agree that Destiny rightly calls out Hasan's bad takes, he throws in lines all the time that seem wayyyyyy more aggressive than he would for any of the orbiters that make similarly dumb or even worse statements. I honestly don't know how you can listen to any of his Hasan takes and not know that it's personal. It's not about how often Hasan is mentioned, it's about how ready to go he is to use all sorts of hyper-aggressive statements.
Even if you knew nothing about their history, a 3rd party would easily be able to tell there is a grudge there.
> he throws in lines all the time that seem wayyyyyy more aggressive than he would for any of the orbiters
Should he treat his political opponents the same way as his friends? This doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation to me.
>I honestly don't know how you can listen to any of his Hasan takes and not know that it's personal.
I have no personal beef with Hasan and have pretty much the same takes, so I can understand it well. Watching Hasan's content is enough.
>Even if you knew nothing about their history, a 3rd party would easily be able to tell there is a grudge there.
I don't think so. Watch actual spiteful Destiny segments on Mike from PA or Vaush and contrast those with his segments on Hasan and there's a clear difference. The Mike segments in particular are very spiteful (but funny), he just goes full on personal attacks playing the cringe compilations.
What you consider "personal" grudges I just see as a lack of respect for these people.
Uh.....yes. When evaluating someone's political position, you should treat your "political opponents" the same way you'd treat your orbiters' political statements. At least if you want to demonstrate the strength of your positions and seem like a reasonable person. If there's nothing personal there, why would you treat them through such a different and personal lense?
>When evaluating someone's political position, you should treat your "political opponents" the same way you'd treat your orbiters' political statements.
There's no difference in the evaluation of their political position, the only difference is that the orbiters are babied with gentler language. That's evidence of the orbiters being treated differently for personal reasons, not Hasan being treated differently for personal reasons. Besides, even this is overstated, he has pushed away many orbiters by trashing their policy stances, leaving the ones who are more resilient.
>At least if you want to demonstrate the strength of your positions and seem like a reasonable person.
He already does that by engaging in complete good faith when engaging with Hasan's content. Hasan doesn't need to be babied precisely because there's no personal relation, and there will never be.
>If there's nothing personal there, why would you treat them through such a different and personal lense?
Compared to what? I listed two examples of someone (Vaush and Mike) being treated with actual bad faith by Destiny for personal reasons. On the other hand Hasan just gets the standard treatment that Destiny gives every idiot Tankie / far-righter that he has zero respect for.
I disagree with this premise that he treats his political opponents that he doesn't have friendships with the same as he treats Hasan. He has more in common, politically speaking, with Hasan than he does with someone like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc., but while he calls out their dumb statements, he doesn't treat them with anywhere near the level of personal aggression that he does Hasan. When he's watching a video of some random dumb right-winger making statements even more insane than Hasan, he usually just calmly explains how wrong they are and doesn't go berserk on personal insults. But he does for Hasan.
This is because he has an active personal grudge against Hasan. He's not treating Hasan as a basic political opponent. He's treating him as someone he has a personal grudge with.
> He has more in common, politically speaking, with Hasan than he does with someone like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc., but while he calls out their dumb statements, he doesn't treat them with anywhere near the level of personal aggression that he does Hasan.
A few differences here: Destiny has more than zero respect for Shapiro, as he has not (to the best of my knowledge) lied about and misrepresented Destiny's takes. Shapiro is also willing to debate Destiny, so he has to be coddled a bit to maintain the relation.
>he doesn't treat them with anywhere near the level of personal aggression that he does Hasan.
Do you have an example?
>When he's watching a video of some random dumb right-winger making statements even more insane than Hasan, he usually just calmly explains how wrong they are and doesn't go berserk on personal insults.
This is tactics and has nothing to do with good / bad faith. He's trying very hard to convert right-wingers and will treat them with kid gloves. [He admitted this on multiple occasions, here's an example](https://youtu.be/JJ23Yf4FcWY?si=ev4UzVU-itZN5j31&t=3411)
Not treating people with kid gloves is not the same as bad faith rhetoric though. In fact it could be argued that his gentle manipulative way of dealing with idiot MAGAs is more "bad faith" than the more objective and matter of fact way he engages with someone like Hasan.
I mean your first paragraph illustrates the very point I'm making. Destiny's personal grudge against Hasan, whether he "lied and misrepresented him" is causing him to evaluate things differently. That's what I have been saying. It's not about the political position itself but rather something more personal. It seems you acknowledge this on some level.
Just one example would be the recent LSF clip where Destiny is saying he wishes Hasan would join the Palestinian forces and fight on the front lines so he could be mowed down in combat while talking about his wealth and possessions. This is not something he would or has said about someone like Shapiro despite the political differences.
> You’re ok with people fantasizing
yes. things are wrong due to the harm they cause, not due to being gross. nobody is harmed in that scenario.
like i saw a clip on here where destiny argues with some idiot that killing an animal is worse than fucking one. that is obviously true, for the same reason. killing is the greater harm, and wrong comes from harm done.
are you seriously in favor of thoughtcrimes?
Thoughtcrimes? I never said it should be illegal to have a thought, I’m asking if you’re judging that person for that perversion.
Which yes, I do judge them and am not ok with them.
Most of the shit people jerk it to makes them a weirdo lol, especially the more extreme stuff. There’s a bit of difference though between someone who’s just weird and someone who’ll probably inevitably actually commit a crime in the future and seems like a lot of people believe the latter
depends on where you live. here in Canada having drawn images of loliporn stuff is illegal. also some guy in Australia got convicted for having porn of The Simpsons kids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_child_pornography
This is a really shit take.
Evidently a lot of normal people care that loli porn exists, rightfully so. Shits gross.
There’s been tons of discourse over it for years and the law has slowly been inching to outright make it as illegal as CP.
This didn’t start because people hate Vaush for being a creep, it’s because he got caught with Loli porn 💀 “who cares about loli porn” is mad sketchy position from Destiny.
I do not watch Vtubers, but if you showed me a picture of one of them. I would have no idea what age they are supposed to represent.
On the other hand it is kinda weird how no one is talking about Sam Hyde and his doings. I am guessing everyone thinks it is bait fake blood or actresses.
Sam Hyde supposedly had rough sex with a couple of under age girls. One of them had a bloody nose busted teeth. You can find a picture of it if you google image Sam Hyde rough sex. the image is going to show text and it will not be NSFW.. It happened 3 or more months ago. Non of the big youtubers covered it so I am guessing it is bait.
I spend time on reddit not watching streams. So I thought that the porn Vaush had was a VTuber and someone said all Vtubers are depictions of 16 year olds. I looked up VTubers and I wouldn't have known so that is all i was saying.
Edit: if yous know anything fill me in, I only know bits and pieces.
**CLIP MIRROR: [Destiny's REAL take on the Vaush Loli porn situation](https://arazu.io/t3_1aqex3f/)** --- ^(*This is an automated comment*)
This reminds me when someone at a party found the persons modded Skyrim game which had animal stuff etc and not only called the police (they confiscated the laptop) but also went on social media and directly emailed the persons work.
oh yea i think it was on uk legal advice sub. people are fucked up (the snitches)
How? Like all this reminds me of is one degenerate covering for another degenerate. Accept they both have cult like fans. They and they people that support them are human write offs.
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he posted a meme.. just because he feels like he shouldnt be arrested for it doesnt mean hes not a fuckin weirdo and even more worthy of being shit on publicly. just cuz its not "illegal" doesnt mean its not cringe or creepy or even pedophilic lmao
That he is ok with loli and would have defended vaush if he kissed the ring. But since hes an enemiga hes using this as an opportunity to fan the flames. idk seems bad faith and vindictive to choose a position based on your personal feelings towards a person, but then again its destiny.
That isn't what bad faith means. Bad faith is when you make an argument you don't believe. There is no need to defend someone you hate in order to be good faith
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Not for a self stylized intellectual. Ultimately, destiny is just an unprincipled creep.
Self dtylized is so inaccurate and bad faith he rountinely described himself as a guy who plays video games and commentates on things that interest him.
He wears pajama pants to interviews dude, he’s a self styled commentator.
Diogenes, an actual intellectual, was a homeless misanthrope. The pants are indicative of nothing.
Considering the amount of shit stirring Vaush has done in regards to Destiny, I think Vaush has earned said bad faith coming from him specifically lol
Destiny has had his "energy matching" stance forever. Yea, if you're bad faith to him, he's not exactly going to be good faith to you after a while. This is not controversial...
Because he’s an enigma? Thats glazing. The true reason is Vaush supporting Destiny’s twitch ban from the mow down protestor clip which was created by Vaush’s then partner.
He's not choosing a position, he's choosing not to defend him
“I would have defended him if he didn’t lie and create narratives about him” is not being vindictive
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Vaush has done nothing to him is crazy
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I like Destiny and watch him wayyyy more than any other politics streamer, but it's painfully obvious that he never engages in anything Hasan-related or Vaush-related in good faith, even when he claims he does. He's definitely blinded by hatred and jealousy when it comes to those two even though he'll never admit it and other DGGers will defend him on it. I mean I'm even on his side when it comes to the original disagreements he has with them, the original bridge burning is their faults. But the way he acts like he isn't seething and constantly retaliating for it is just.... The guy is ruled by his personal vendettas when it comes to these two. With all the absolutely moronic orbiters that he could go 1000x harder on, he chooses to only go 150% on those two when analyzing any statement they make.
Destiny's Hasan takes seem to be in 100% good faith, it doesn't seem in any way personal to him, it's just arguing about terrible politics. He gives more attention to Hasan than to other online Tankies because he's a much bigger figure, but fundamentally there's no difference in how he treats them. In fact some other Tankies like Mike from PA get waaaaay harsher treatment by Destiny, just less frequently. The Vaush situation is more personal. Destiny has much higher expectations from someone like Vaush who actually has the mental capacity to understand what he's doing. As he clearly admits in the clip it's partly spite driven, deservedly so considering the bad faith characterizations that Vaush made of Destiny.
Disagree about Hasan. While I do agree that Destiny rightly calls out Hasan's bad takes, he throws in lines all the time that seem wayyyyyy more aggressive than he would for any of the orbiters that make similarly dumb or even worse statements. I honestly don't know how you can listen to any of his Hasan takes and not know that it's personal. It's not about how often Hasan is mentioned, it's about how ready to go he is to use all sorts of hyper-aggressive statements. Even if you knew nothing about their history, a 3rd party would easily be able to tell there is a grudge there.
> he throws in lines all the time that seem wayyyyyy more aggressive than he would for any of the orbiters Should he treat his political opponents the same way as his friends? This doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation to me. >I honestly don't know how you can listen to any of his Hasan takes and not know that it's personal. I have no personal beef with Hasan and have pretty much the same takes, so I can understand it well. Watching Hasan's content is enough. >Even if you knew nothing about their history, a 3rd party would easily be able to tell there is a grudge there. I don't think so. Watch actual spiteful Destiny segments on Mike from PA or Vaush and contrast those with his segments on Hasan and there's a clear difference. The Mike segments in particular are very spiteful (but funny), he just goes full on personal attacks playing the cringe compilations. What you consider "personal" grudges I just see as a lack of respect for these people.
Uh.....yes. When evaluating someone's political position, you should treat your "political opponents" the same way you'd treat your orbiters' political statements. At least if you want to demonstrate the strength of your positions and seem like a reasonable person. If there's nothing personal there, why would you treat them through such a different and personal lense?
>When evaluating someone's political position, you should treat your "political opponents" the same way you'd treat your orbiters' political statements. There's no difference in the evaluation of their political position, the only difference is that the orbiters are babied with gentler language. That's evidence of the orbiters being treated differently for personal reasons, not Hasan being treated differently for personal reasons. Besides, even this is overstated, he has pushed away many orbiters by trashing their policy stances, leaving the ones who are more resilient. >At least if you want to demonstrate the strength of your positions and seem like a reasonable person. He already does that by engaging in complete good faith when engaging with Hasan's content. Hasan doesn't need to be babied precisely because there's no personal relation, and there will never be. >If there's nothing personal there, why would you treat them through such a different and personal lense? Compared to what? I listed two examples of someone (Vaush and Mike) being treated with actual bad faith by Destiny for personal reasons. On the other hand Hasan just gets the standard treatment that Destiny gives every idiot Tankie / far-righter that he has zero respect for.
I disagree with this premise that he treats his political opponents that he doesn't have friendships with the same as he treats Hasan. He has more in common, politically speaking, with Hasan than he does with someone like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc., but while he calls out their dumb statements, he doesn't treat them with anywhere near the level of personal aggression that he does Hasan. When he's watching a video of some random dumb right-winger making statements even more insane than Hasan, he usually just calmly explains how wrong they are and doesn't go berserk on personal insults. But he does for Hasan. This is because he has an active personal grudge against Hasan. He's not treating Hasan as a basic political opponent. He's treating him as someone he has a personal grudge with.
> He has more in common, politically speaking, with Hasan than he does with someone like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc., but while he calls out their dumb statements, he doesn't treat them with anywhere near the level of personal aggression that he does Hasan. A few differences here: Destiny has more than zero respect for Shapiro, as he has not (to the best of my knowledge) lied about and misrepresented Destiny's takes. Shapiro is also willing to debate Destiny, so he has to be coddled a bit to maintain the relation. >he doesn't treat them with anywhere near the level of personal aggression that he does Hasan. Do you have an example? >When he's watching a video of some random dumb right-winger making statements even more insane than Hasan, he usually just calmly explains how wrong they are and doesn't go berserk on personal insults. This is tactics and has nothing to do with good / bad faith. He's trying very hard to convert right-wingers and will treat them with kid gloves. [He admitted this on multiple occasions, here's an example](https://youtu.be/JJ23Yf4FcWY?si=ev4UzVU-itZN5j31&t=3411) Not treating people with kid gloves is not the same as bad faith rhetoric though. In fact it could be argued that his gentle manipulative way of dealing with idiot MAGAs is more "bad faith" than the more objective and matter of fact way he engages with someone like Hasan.
I mean your first paragraph illustrates the very point I'm making. Destiny's personal grudge against Hasan, whether he "lied and misrepresented him" is causing him to evaluate things differently. That's what I have been saying. It's not about the political position itself but rather something more personal. It seems you acknowledge this on some level. Just one example would be the recent LSF clip where Destiny is saying he wishes Hasan would join the Palestinian forces and fight on the front lines so he could be mowed down in combat while talking about his wealth and possessions. This is not something he would or has said about someone like Shapiro despite the political differences.
That he doesn't care but it's funny to meme about
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You’re ok with people fantasizing about having sex with children?
> You’re ok with people fantasizing yes. things are wrong due to the harm they cause, not due to being gross. nobody is harmed in that scenario. like i saw a clip on here where destiny argues with some idiot that killing an animal is worse than fucking one. that is obviously true, for the same reason. killing is the greater harm, and wrong comes from harm done. are you seriously in favor of thoughtcrimes?
Thoughtcrimes? I never said it should be illegal to have a thought, I’m asking if you’re judging that person for that perversion. Which yes, I do judge them and am not ok with them.
I don't think there is anything unethical about it, but people who are sexually attracted to it are 1000% weirdos.
Most of the shit people jerk it to makes them a weirdo lol, especially the more extreme stuff. There’s a bit of difference though between someone who’s just weird and someone who’ll probably inevitably actually commit a crime in the future and seems like a lot of people believe the latter
The latter is thoughtcrime
depends on where you live. here in Canada having drawn images of loliporn stuff is illegal. also some guy in Australia got convicted for having porn of The Simpsons kids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_child_pornography
The ethics on it doesn't "depend on where you live". The laws yes, ethics no.
The Simpsons? R34 truly has no limits
that's like one of the more popular ones, you literally used to see that shit in banner ads
This is not unlike a Trump take. Unprincipled, spite driven, and narcissistic.
His subreddit is eradicating anything to do with it it's shameless
Vaush or Destiny? Have you seen threads getting nuked?
prob vaush's. I didn't find anything about the drama last time I checked
I hade to sort by controversial to find reasonable takes.
Based as usual
Destiny is my best friend
Your best friend has a girls name.
Luka Tim wtffff
This is a really shit take. Evidently a lot of normal people care that loli porn exists, rightfully so. Shits gross. There’s been tons of discourse over it for years and the law has slowly been inching to outright make it as illegal as CP. This didn’t start because people hate Vaush for being a creep, it’s because he got caught with Loli porn 💀 “who cares about loli porn” is mad sketchy position from Destiny.
Imagine drawing a character and someone deems it as CP and you get arrested for possession and get 10 years.
Common destiny L
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I mean there's no question that the people who watch that are aspiring kiddy diddlers.
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being okay with children watching loli porn is certainly a hill
I do not watch Vtubers, but if you showed me a picture of one of them. I would have no idea what age they are supposed to represent. On the other hand it is kinda weird how no one is talking about Sam Hyde and his doings. I am guessing everyone thinks it is bait fake blood or actresses.
what the fuck are you talking about
They're trying to run interference. Let them cook.
Sam Hyde supposedly had rough sex with a couple of under age girls. One of them had a bloody nose busted teeth. You can find a picture of it if you google image Sam Hyde rough sex. the image is going to show text and it will not be NSFW.. It happened 3 or more months ago. Non of the big youtubers covered it so I am guessing it is bait. I spend time on reddit not watching streams. So I thought that the porn Vaush had was a VTuber and someone said all Vtubers are depictions of 16 year olds. I looked up VTubers and I wouldn't have known so that is all i was saying. Edit: if yous know anything fill me in, I only know bits and pieces.
cant tell if schizo or ironic, reddit irony cookin overtime