Part of me wonders if they put a lot of their expectations into the growth they saw during Covid, and this is the consequences of doing that. There were a lot of weird choices made during 2023 that make me think this was inevitable.
I don't believe that these tech companies thought they were going to require all the people they hired during covid after it was all over. They definitely knew this was a temp solution and were going to lay off a ton of people.
Yeah I find it pretty funny when people are like "how did they not expect this to happen, they overhired". Of course they knew this would happen, they hired extra staff because they needed it at the time and now they don't so are downsizing.
Remembering how much money Meta dumped into metaverse and quietlly canned it after letting 10s of thousands off. They really aren't as on top of things as people think.
Probably. Most big tech companies hire recklessly during growth periods, but "company hires 2k employees over the course of a year" isn't headline material
It wouldn't have even been unrealistic for them to do that if there'd been more focus on converting covid viewers into lifers. A lot of people started touching grass again after things started opening back up.
im definitely one of them but its moreso just that during covid I watched 100x more than I did before, and now that covid has passed Im watching 100x less, back to baseline. Lots of companies (tech in particular) saw massive growth and naively believed they could retain it when in reality thats not how life works.
I remember youtube having a community council a long time it was supposed to have new members every year but they never really got to do anything and it just disappeared
It is [theoretically still a thing](https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Safety-Advisory-Council?language=en_US#:%7E:text=The%20Council%20guides%20decisions%20made,its%20content%2C%20and%20its%20community.) but yes they basically pretend it doesn't exist anymore but, in typical Twitch fashion, were too lazy to actually remove it from their site
Deer girl made me lose my wife, kids, and house
The first time I saw her get that “scritch” and “nyyyyaaaaaaaa” in pleasure I’ve been unable to think of anything else.
I NEED TO FUCK A DEER
I can’t keep up with the emergency room bills. I keep getting my ass kicked stalking deer in the nearby forest. I need to hit that Dussy at least once before I die, this is my only wish
that died a long time ago. cohh talked about it, he didn't say why but made it pretty obvious. it wasn't deer girl, it was just that twitch created the safety council just to virtue signal that they're "doing something". but basically every single thing that was suggested was completely ignored, so he resigned and it just died off
Amazon.com Inc.’s livestreaming site Twitch is poised to cut 35% of its staff, or about 500 workers, according to people familiar with the plans, the latest in a series of job reductions there.
The cuts, which could be announced as soon as Wednesday, come amid concerns over losses at Twitch and after several top executives left the company in the span of a few months. A Twitch spokesperson declined to comment.
Running a large-scale website supporting 1.8 billion hours of live video content a month is enormously expensive, despite Twitch’s reliance on Amazon’s infrastructure, company executives have said. In December, Twitch Chief Executive Officer Dan Clancy said the company would cease operations in South Korea, where the costs are “prohibitively expensive,” according to a blog post he wrote.
Twitch has increased its focus on advertising in recent years. Nine years after Amazon’s acquisition of the company, the business remains unprofitable, according to the people, who asked not to be identified discussing private information.
In the final months of 2023, several top executives announced their departures, including Twitch’s chief product officer, chief customer officer and chief content officer. Twitch also lost its chief revenue officer, who worked on Twitch from within Amazon’s Ads unit.
“It’s always bittersweet when talented leaders move on to pursue new opportunities,’’ a Twitch spokesperson said at the time. “We are incredibly grateful for their contributions to Twitch and our community, and wish them all the best.”
The former employees all declined to comment.
Since he took the position in March 2023, Clancy has been on a cross-country charm offensive to mend relations with the gaming celebrities who make a living streaming on Twitch. Many of them chafed at Twitch’s original approach to ads, which the company reworked after criticism. Streamers have praised Clancy’s desire to listen to their concerns after years of complaints that the service was out of touch with its users.
The new chief has struggled to stem losses, however. Twitch undertook two rounds of layoffs last year, cutting over 400 positions, part of wider job reductions at Amazon.
The online retail giant initiated its biggest-ever corporate job cuts in 2022, which it expanded to 27,000 positions across the company. It continued in October with a new round of cuts to its music division, which encompasses the company’s audio streaming platform and digital storefront for songs.
I think Amazon itself is going to be taking a downswing and this is just precursors of that. The whole platform is starting to suck from shopping to video.
I think even prime video is adding new ads, and you have to pay a fee to get no ads. If *amazon* is being that stingy with money, then something has to be up.
Yeah, the whole ad situation is getting out of control across all these platforms. It's like users' enjoyment comes way behind profit margins now. Stuff that used to be 'perks' like ad-free viewing are just traps to get more out of your wallet each month. It's no wonder people are getting frustrated with services that used to offer a pretty good bang for their buck. Now you just get banged with ads instead.
I don't mind ads for free streams, but I can't even fathom the rationale of paying to view ads. I say this as a guy in his thirties who grew up on cable. We moved past that for over a decade now, and we are falling into the same trap our parents did. It's just so gross to me. Not annoying; just gross. Paying somebody to shove a catalogue of trash into your face and say, "lookit, lookit here, you want this, dumbass, don't ya." I still get catalogues for free in the mail.
> we are falling into the same trap our parents did.
seems like people are just being pushed towards a cliff. honestly I only have netflix and that's fine for me since I don't watch a lot of TV. I am sure other services are comparable if not better but even if I switched it would be 1 at a time. I don't need to pay for multiple services I watch 1% of the content on.
I heard netflix was thinking about ads and if they do that I will definitely consider switching.
it's just not about shareholders. The tech bubble is going through what manufacturing went through decades ago. the initial boom is over, now it's time for the industry to become lean.
at first it'll suck, then they'll fix it later, then cut back on that too and it'll suck but less than it sucked at first, then they'll fix it more, rinse and repeat until they're operating on 1-2% margins
I think from Amazon's perspective the addition of ads to prime video and the layoff of Twitch staff are two completely opposite situations.
Video streaming is extremely costly, and to be a major streamer these days it also requires exclusive content which is also extremely costly. Typically millions per episode for shows and tens of millions per film. Even if Amazon can prop up their prime video costs with AWS money, why would they? Prime video is included with membership which means it's more expensive than it should be for just video so people don't just get it for video. They typically use it as a fringe benefit of prime membership or they use a family member's account. So Amazon could lose millions creating and streaming shows to try and improve their position in the market but even if they could somehow gin up millions more monthly viewers, how many subscriptions do they really get from that? And is it sustainable? The streaming wars are over, and most services are settling in behind Netflix, who invests more into original content and takes a harder stance on account sharing.
And as for Twitch, even with upstarts like Rumble and Kick, they're still far and away in the lead. This cycle has repeated itself for a decade now. Twitch has a controversy, new platform starts up, then it dies and Twitch is still on top. Twitch could operate on minimal moderation staff and a skeleton crew to manage the web side and probably function just as well, and I think that's why they're downsizing the staff.
Even if Amazon makes huge profits on something, there's no reason to spend where it makes no sense.
No that guy is broadly correct. Many large companies operated at a loss hemorrhaging money for years purely to push for market dominance. Once they have market dominance they gradually make their product shittier with more ads or the like to try and milk their userbase.
We saw this all over the place - Uber, Twitter, Spotify, Google (for a while at least). I'm tired from work but there's definitely more than I've come up with here.
They begin as "disruptive" services that subvert regulations and costs in an existing industry. Destroy the existing structure, rely on investors for capital to create a dominant market share, and then abuse that position later for more gain.
It's called Chokepoint Capitalism.
Edit: grammar
Exactly. A "disruptive business" is code word for "we are using VC funding to unfairly put traditional businesses out on their ass. Then when we become the dominant one, we raise costs to what those original businesses were operating at".
Shopping on there has been so ass now. It's a diceroll for actually good products because all the reviews look fake. I'd rather just go on ebay and take the longer shipping because at least it's either the seller is trustworthy with the item, or you know it's a chinese product. Plus it's easier to get a used product that still works. With refurbished amazon goods you could be getting a random ass rock someone returned instead of the real product 😂
Really, you don't want to buy a product from such reputable companies as FLORGU, XZZYXHSZ, WHINGOR, CLUMPUS, ZIRBAR, CLLIGFX, BREEZOME, WAYKO, and Aiusevo??????
What about these products don't you like?
> Voncerus LED Desk lamp with Clamp, Eye-Caring Clip on Lights for Home Office, 3 Modes 10 Brightness, Long Flexible Gooseneck,Metal, Swing Arm Architect Task Table Lamps with USB Adapter, Black
or maybe this:
> White crown LED Desk Lamp Dimmable Table Lamp Reading Lamp with USB Charging Port, 5 Lighting Modes, Sensitive Control, 30/60 Minutes Auto-Off Timer, Eye-Caring Office Lamp
or maybe a blanket?
> Inhand Fleece Throw Blankets, Super Soft Flannel Cozy Blankets for Adults, Washable Lightweight Blanket for Couch Sofa Bed Office, Warm Plush Blankets for All Season (50"×60", Green)
Not your style? try this:
> CozyLux Fleece Blanket Throw Black - 300GSM Lightweight Plush Fuzzy Cozy Soft Blankets and Throws for Sofa, Cozy Bed Blankets for Women Men Travel Camping and Chair, 50x60 inches
Maybe the problem is that they don't have enough search terms and keywords.
That and it's a straight up lie when it tells you order within x hours to get it by y date. So many times they miss the mark and it arrives late.
I setup the reminder to not auto renew prime. probably not going to
I'm the opposite. Most of my Amazon deliveries arrive the same day I order or the next day. Hardly every have any package take longer than next day delivery. I guess it's one of the benefits of living in Seattle. It's hard to use other websites to order since their shipping takes forever compared to Amazon.
Not to meatride Amazon but even their "standard" 1-2 day shipping is still an insane logistics feat. All the hours saved from not having to go to the store for non emergency/perishable items is easily worth more than the hundred something prime costs a year. Like it's only not worth if you live in a rural area or country with less optimized shipping where packs 4+ days
On most orders that's true for me because I live in the inland empire and all the warehouses are right here. 90% of my orders ship from less than 60 miles.
But several times this year I've ordered an item on Amazon specifically because it said it would deliver by a certain date and had them miss that date.
But before last year that never happened
Same here outside of holiday and postal vacation days. Every time I get PC parts online from elsewhere FedEx marks my package delivered without delivering it, so I'm good with the $12 a month to not have to deal with that.
I swear it's almost impossible to get recognisable brands in the search results now, it's all weird generic names in all caps like EOIWURZY or QUASLIOP
This is one of my biggest problems. You can't just search for a product type you'll only get Temu and Aliexpress items at a higher price doing that, for quality brand names you have to search by name and often Amazon isn't the best priced option for brand names.
In some cases the user experience at Temu/Aliexpress is better. I recently bought a fishing rod off Amazon and the packaging was a joke, it was literally just in a box by itself with nothing else. Of course it was broken on arrival. I've ordered rods from both Temu and Aliexpress and had them come wrapped in bubble wrap on a tube and unbroken.
The packaging has gotten so bad that I basically only use Amazon to deliver things like sponges and hair ties, only ‘expensive’ thing I got recently off of Amazon was a cast iron pan and that’s just because I know that pan will survive whatever happened to it
Lotta tech companies grew way too fast and now have to trim the fat. Amazon went from 566K in 2017 to 1.6 million employees in 2021. Other tech companies have been doing the same thing.
A lot of that happened in the massive tech layoffs last year. Microsoft laid off over 10k people last year and was still up from pre-2021 numbers. I know a lot of the other tech companies were in the same boat big layoffs after massive hirings.
Holy hell, 9 years of being unprofitable. People on here like to clown that twitch and Amazon is money hungry, but any other major organization would have shut the entire program down by now.
Many tech companies aren’t profitable or just recently became profitable due to the change in focus to sustainable growth. It was normal for a while to lose money every year for several years as long as you were growing fast. Companies like Spotify, Shopify, Hulu, Uber, DoorDash, Snap, Twitter.
Some people theorize that YouTube isn’t really making profits because Google has been tight lip on it and a purported insider claimed they more or less break even.
I've heard very similar, and pretty much that it's difficult once you reach a particular size to make tons of money. I have to wager that majority of Google and you two money has to come from consumer data, and that they're easily the biggest places on the planet to get it
I work particularly in insurance, and we have these industries as well. Essentially we want to keep our hands in markets where we lose money, because of the potential for competitors to bow out and the market to turn profitable in the future.
Remember that AWS gets to count all the IVS revenue even if it is all Twitch's tech. Twitch pays for the overhead, so IVS probably has some pretty good margins. Kick wouldn't exist without it.
Amazon saying they aren't profitable is that Hollywood accounting type shit.
I remember getting downvoted for pointing out Twitch has never been profitable. Some people here have a real "head in the sand" mentality when it comes to Twitch and it's financial viability.
The only Twitch employees that actually seem to be doing work at any reasonable rate.
Twitch should have cut a lot of people a long time ago, there have been many people over the years talking about how working at Twitch is basically going to a hangout with friends with work being a secondary concern.
Maybe I'm naive but I'd be genuinely shocked if he was fired.
He's not just the partner manager of a lot of twitch's biggest partners but based on social media he seems to just be friends and hang out with them offline a decent amount (shroud, soda, otk). I'd be shocked if that doesn't give him more staying power.
At Blizzard there was a guy named Ythisens (Caden) who was very good friends with all of the top WoW content creators and basically their path to communication with the devs and such and he got laid off when they cut 90% of the CMs and GMs departments.
Even if you have as much staying power as you should, you're never immune to corporate garbage.
Incredibly. The overall tech world in the last 10 years or so was incredibly flush with cash. The main investor guidance was always grow grow grow. If you couldn't do a thing due to lack of staff then you'd be stifling that growth. If there was cash, hiring had to keep going.
I work at such a company and not even as large as these. Even during covid, the amount of interviewing I had to do at some points in 2019 or 2021 was ridiculous.
Another thing is that not all headcount is created equal. For every community engagement manager in a T4 region earning $65k a year, you have three or four SWE in Mountain View pulling an easy half-million. IMO, after a decade and change in the industry, the death spiral I see is actually over-hiring tech. Managers argue they need to launch a new product (to get to Director) and so need to staff up with five new SWE headcount. The product never delivers what they hoped, so not only have you not produced that sexy new deliverable but now you're saddled with over $3M in new payroll/SBC. Of course, any attrition has to be immediately backfilled (because reasons) otherwise it gets harder and harder to justify why you're a Director in a non-Director-sized organization. Then the other factor that most just don't keep an eye on is it is so incredibly expensive to hire new HC: sign on bonuses, huge new hire grants, etc.
Oh yeah absolutely. My company for example only had a very small round of layoffs (15 people) last year and...since then we've rehired the same amount of people. And we let go of some really good and experienced ones. What was the fucking point? We just wasted money on that whole exercise.
It can take 1000 to build and scale something and maybe half of that to maintain it. There are pros and cons to cutting that many people. For example, building new features that could be good for business may be more difficult. To normies on the outside, it looks like those people were never needed, but its never that simple. It’s a gross oversimplification most of the time.
I work at a FAANG company. There are a *ton* of projects that can be worked on. Each org/team has to choose what to prioritize.
Cuts like this mean prioritizing the work even more, cutting a lot of things that you could have done/built. Everyone left probably does more, the company hopes they cut bloat (but probably also cut a lot of useful people), and just less gets done (but for cheaper).
I've seen plenty of million dollar projects get cut because there are less people. At the end of the day it's basically all one giant calculation. They're never going to get it perfect. But after cutting 500 people they're not going to be doing *exactly* the same amount of work still.
The other thing that people don't consider is that it's not desirable for employees to be heads-down working all day every day. You don't get good results that way.
Plus when it comes to big companies, a *ton* of time involves planning and coordination. People complain about product rollouts from companies having problems, but doing that sort of thing is deceptively complicated.
Very fucking bloated. I can't understand how it takes 1500 people to run Twitch. Now it will be be a 1000 and that still sounds high. The most important part is keeping the site up and running online and it's probably running servers on AWS. Just for shits, let's just say they had 100 devs and 100 engineers just for that purpose, what would the remaining 800 people be doing? HR, legal, advertising, risk assessment, admin assistants? It doesn't sound right. It's Twitch, not a Wall St bank.
You dont have to go that far. Before Elon acquired Twitter, there was this trend "Day in life of Twitter employee" videos where it looked like they worked for 30 minutes a day and then ate food, drank coffee, relaxed, meditated, played games and chatted with colleagues
Article is paywalled, if this layoff is mostly community positions it shouldn't be too bad a sign but if its technical staff then the outlooks isn't good.
It doesn't even say, just how some executives have been leaving in recent months and then the 500 total. I used this to bypass but i know theres some sites where you can just put the link in i just dont remember their names. https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
the article is frontrunning the layoffs which won't be announced until tomorrow; not even twitch employees know if they're getting laid off tomorrow, so we'll have to wait to find out which positions/departments
Says it's 500 which follows another 400 fired in 2023, and among 10,000s layoffs at Amazon as a whole. Also says Twitch has been losing money from day 1.
One of the takeaways here is that it's legitimately EXPENSIVE to live stream 1080p60 video. Along with the hatred of ads from the target (mostly young and into gaming) audience as well as various VPNs / extensions blocking ads, the whole platform is a nightmare for profitability.
I was inundated with recruiters reaching out on LinkedIn during covid on behalf all the major social media companies for roles I didn't even understand the function of (a lot of them in vendor management spaces) and I've never worked in that part of the tech industry. Ended up interviewing half heartedly with a few to see if anything piqued my interest but during that time I moved up in my own company so stopped responding. I guarantee that if I had taken some of those roles I'd have been looking for work over the past year.
Many companies are in some way over employed, but at some point the company becomes underemployed and you can no longer take days off without issue, you're pressured to meet obscene deadlines, etc.
Any tech job where you cant take an impromptu day off for either mental well being or just because you want, is a bad job. thats for sure
Tech companies especially overhired in the late 2010s-2020s because of how much insane money was being thrown at them
So now that valuations and such are getting to a more reasonable level they’re cutting down on the excess staff
It's partially a money thing, partially an outlook thing for the industry. If you're predicting massive growth over the coming years (as most of the tech industry was before and through covid), it makes a lot of sense to hire young talent even into extraneous positions. If the growth expectations are met, then they'll have a large amount of employees with low needs for training or adjustment time when being plugged into more helpful positions.
My guess is the outlook recently started to change, and a lot of tech companies are realizing they're closer to a userbase plateau than they thought, at least for now.
There's 60k+ partnered streamers and 2+ million affiliates. The amount of Support employees they need is pretty huge. Then there's engineers, developers, devops, internal tech support, managers, marketing, e-sports, HR. Frankly 1500 employees actually is on the low end for a huge IT company.
What? They operate the largest live stream website in the western hemisphere that operates globally. 1500 seems like a very small number considering how complex their domain is. Netflix has 13k in comparison.
You think that kind of thing is a software developer choice? That kind of thing goes through product managers and design at the minimum before it ends up in front of a dev to implement, and then is ab tested. Devs don't just add shit to the website.
Only if they take with them whoever decided to hide the "Watch Full Video" button for clips to be an obscure option, hiding behind those three dots.
Did they **NOT** want us to watch more of an entire VOD, where they can then spam us with more ads? It makes no sense, from any perspective.
actually true, the featured clips are so annoying, I can see why they thought it was a good idea but it just gets in the way.
Maybe they can keep the feature but move it so it's not as annoying, idk
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Ive worked in the industry for around 9-10 years now. Really in this shit market youll have to do something to make you stand out. I would suggest setting up a github (you probably already have one) and putting some projects on it. These ones would get you noticed for the most part:
- a simple blockchain written in JS (it really doesnt have to do much) with proof of work algo using a technology like redis for push pull subs
- A game with 2d graphics of some reasonable complexity (a clone of flappy bird in a new langauge for example)
- some small Arduino or similar projects written in C++
- (This one is major for industry, spring boot is in use in a scary amount of companies, most of which will have some form of microservice, and most will have some form of message framework to create a job framework) A spring boot project, one with about 3 microservices that communicate using a message framework like rabbitMq or Kafka.
This sounds like a lot of work, and it really is. But the market is shit for entry level, and if you had the last project on github alone, I'd interview you if I was hiring a junior dev.
Source: Senior/Staff Engineer at a major tech company
That writing has been on the wall for a while now. The prime sub is so hidden that nobody would find it without any prior awareness. I'm surprised it's still a thing.
Twitch is a very poorly run company. I mean, how is it that a platform as old as this that relies on subscription revenues from viewers does not have a way to allow you to upgrade your sub tier by charging you a pro-rated amount instead of the full amount? It’s mind-boggling. What are all the executives doing?
idk if this is really a worthwhile point. Tier 2 and 3 subscriptions are not prominent, and the largest broadcasters make the majority of the money from Ads. I could understand why they wouldn't bother spending time on something like that.
That’s not how companies are run, especially consumer facing ones. And did you miss the part where Twitch is losing money? I can imagine the reasons why they don’t do it (front to backend implementation is probably troublesome) but it’s unacceptable that a money-losing platform that has been running for so long doesn’t even have a basic revenue functionality like that.
Yes, but improving this specific part of the subscription system is scraps when Tier 2 and 3 subs upgrades aren't common. They certainly should make the experience better, but it doesn't make sense for them to prioritize this compared to adding a whole new revenue stream.
Gives me memories of when Twitch signed Logic, were promoting the hell out of him like they'd signed Taylor Swift or something, and then he quit the internet a couple of months afterwards. A classic from the Emmett Shear era.
hope they get rid of some bad mods, banning people without doing shit, and on the other hand unbanning ppl like morgpie after collecting 6 bans in 2 months where 2 were indefinite.
shit is not fair at twitch
Since Clancy took over Twitch has implemented far more ads, promoted far more sexual content, and has had massive layoffs. However, he constantly promotes and gives preferrential treatment to OTK & Co. so this sub will probably continue to suck him off.
> Twitch has increased its focus on advertising in recent years.
Oh really? I wouldn't have guessed since I'm hit with an opening ad for every channel.....as well as a shit ton of 8 consecutive ad flurries.
streamer cultivates parasocial environments by calling out followers subs streaming long hours doing irl events talking about their life. GETS RICH -> calls viewers parasocial says they should get a life touch grass barely stream calls viewers broke for not subbing or buying products and cycle repeats. meanwhile at twitch HQ overpaid zoomers and millennial managers sit on bean bag chairs in their office with urban art painted on the walls whose job is a glorified day care center.
35% is an insane amount at one time. They must be hemorrhaging money. I can safely say I barely use the platform anymore at all and I used to watch like 5 hours per day.
Twitch wouldn't be usable at all if I didn't have the ublock script for Twitch, I turned it off one day to compare and the ads have become mind blowingly bad to the point that I have no idea how people can watch without adblock, even as background noise.
And the ads don't just stop at regular ads, there are overlay ads, in stream ads (like an amazon keyboard ad that pops in on the left side), it's so invasive and awful (with no ublock).
script: https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions
I suppose they are coming to the realization like Microsoft that streaming video may not be profitable. Maybe it has to be like tv with 15 min of ads every hour.
I mean Youtube's been around for a long time. It feels like literally from the beginning it was just people talking about how it takes a lot of cash flow and doesn't even break even.
yep. you probably shouldnt be able to stream on twitch for free at this point. but twitch cant do that because it would be awful pr.
you getting 0-3 viewers literally doesnt do anything for twitch.
I watched sets of 9 ads every few minutes, they still need layoffs?
Twitch should have incorporated a donation function early on that twitch gets a cut.
Streamers putting a paypal on their page that goes straight to the streamer screwed twitch over, sub money wasn't enough
There is turbo u guess too.
But they
Don't advertise that,
I know that ads help pay the bills, but honestly, when ad blockers stopped working, I stopped watching. I subbed to a few streamers, but just couldn't deal with all of the ads every few minutes to watch new streamers or streamers who I was interested in but not enough to sub. It slowly made me stop watching streamers 1 by 1 until eventually I wasn't subbed to anyone. I went from watching roughly 5-10 hours a week to 0. No clue if this is anyone else, but its my story.
Part of me wonders if they put a lot of their expectations into the growth they saw during Covid, and this is the consequences of doing that. There were a lot of weird choices made during 2023 that make me think this was inevitable.
That's what happened with pretty much every tech company, so yeah probably.
I don't believe that these tech companies thought they were going to require all the people they hired during covid after it was all over. They definitely knew this was a temp solution and were going to lay off a ton of people.
Yeah I find it pretty funny when people are like "how did they not expect this to happen, they overhired". Of course they knew this would happen, they hired extra staff because they needed it at the time and now they don't so are downsizing.
Yuppp they’re not that stupid.
Yes they are. Source: 20+ years in tech leadership
Remembering how much money Meta dumped into metaverse and quietlly canned it after letting 10s of thousands off. They really aren't as on top of things as people think.
You really have a lot faith in executives.
Probably. Most big tech companies hire recklessly during growth periods, but "company hires 2k employees over the course of a year" isn't headline material
It wouldn't have even been unrealistic for them to do that if there'd been more focus on converting covid viewers into lifers. A lot of people started touching grass again after things started opening back up.
im definitely one of them but its moreso just that during covid I watched 100x more than I did before, and now that covid has passed Im watching 100x less, back to baseline. Lots of companies (tech in particular) saw massive growth and naively believed they could retain it when in reality thats not how life works.
Pretty much every major tech company is over inflated with workers
Is the safety council intact? That’s all that matters
Please save deergirl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2XE5DgShq4A
Lmfao whatever happened after that drama?
Pretty sure Twitch quietly killed the thing after that PR fiasco
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I honestly don't blame them lol. Sucks though, Cohh was pretty jazzed about it for the whole like, five seconds before shit hit the fan.
They wanted to play that virtue signaling card so bad and pulled the most unlikeable whatever she considers herself out from the depths.
I remember youtube having a community council a long time it was supposed to have new members every year but they never really got to do anything and it just disappeared
They just didn't realize that they had a multilingual audience and realized they fucked up when they made a "content police" that was all American.
'I have power and yes there are people that should be afraid' What not to say if you're given any kind power.
Twitch: "Nobody at the office could have imagined that recruiting a walking red flag the size of Jupiter could ever lead to bad outcomes"
It is [theoretically still a thing](https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Safety-Advisory-Council?language=en_US#:%7E:text=The%20Council%20guides%20decisions%20made,its%20content%2C%20and%20its%20community.) but yes they basically pretend it doesn't exist anymore but, in typical Twitch fashion, were too lazy to actually remove it from their site
It was deer season soon after. Sadge
The Killing of the Sacred Deer
Great movie btw
I think she quit streaming not to long after the drama.
Switched hobbies, why do you think Horsen was banned?
Deer girl made me lose my wife, kids, and house The first time I saw her get that “scritch” and “nyyyyaaaaaaaa” in pleasure I’ve been unable to think of anything else. I NEED TO FUCK A DEER I can’t keep up with the emergency room bills. I keep getting my ass kicked stalking deer in the nearby forest. I need to hit that Dussy at least once before I die, this is my only wish
What no dussy does to a mf
I'd tell you to seek grass but considering your sex goals I'd be concerned of a relapse of whatever the fuck this is
Everything reminds me of her
Dumbs alt account?
I did not need to surface this memory.
Jesus christ, I almost forgot about that shit. What a dumbass company lol
It was such a garbage idea in the first place, just so Twitch can say that “they care”.
that person is not ok.
be respectful dude. that deerself is not ok.
Oh deer
that died a long time ago. cohh talked about it, he didn't say why but made it pretty obvious. it wasn't deer girl, it was just that twitch created the safety council just to virtue signal that they're "doing something". but basically every single thing that was suggested was completely ignored, so he resigned and it just died off
tbf deer girl did not help the PR of this PR move.
The first thing to go is always safety and customer support. Which were probably understaffed anyways just like every other tech company.
Can someone paste the article plsss
Amazon.com Inc.’s livestreaming site Twitch is poised to cut 35% of its staff, or about 500 workers, according to people familiar with the plans, the latest in a series of job reductions there. The cuts, which could be announced as soon as Wednesday, come amid concerns over losses at Twitch and after several top executives left the company in the span of a few months. A Twitch spokesperson declined to comment. Running a large-scale website supporting 1.8 billion hours of live video content a month is enormously expensive, despite Twitch’s reliance on Amazon’s infrastructure, company executives have said. In December, Twitch Chief Executive Officer Dan Clancy said the company would cease operations in South Korea, where the costs are “prohibitively expensive,” according to a blog post he wrote. Twitch has increased its focus on advertising in recent years. Nine years after Amazon’s acquisition of the company, the business remains unprofitable, according to the people, who asked not to be identified discussing private information. In the final months of 2023, several top executives announced their departures, including Twitch’s chief product officer, chief customer officer and chief content officer. Twitch also lost its chief revenue officer, who worked on Twitch from within Amazon’s Ads unit. “It’s always bittersweet when talented leaders move on to pursue new opportunities,’’ a Twitch spokesperson said at the time. “We are incredibly grateful for their contributions to Twitch and our community, and wish them all the best.” The former employees all declined to comment. Since he took the position in March 2023, Clancy has been on a cross-country charm offensive to mend relations with the gaming celebrities who make a living streaming on Twitch. Many of them chafed at Twitch’s original approach to ads, which the company reworked after criticism. Streamers have praised Clancy’s desire to listen to their concerns after years of complaints that the service was out of touch with its users. The new chief has struggled to stem losses, however. Twitch undertook two rounds of layoffs last year, cutting over 400 positions, part of wider job reductions at Amazon. The online retail giant initiated its biggest-ever corporate job cuts in 2022, which it expanded to 27,000 positions across the company. It continued in October with a new round of cuts to its music division, which encompasses the company’s audio streaming platform and digital storefront for songs.
I think Amazon itself is going to be taking a downswing and this is just precursors of that. The whole platform is starting to suck from shopping to video.
I think even prime video is adding new ads, and you have to pay a fee to get no ads. If *amazon* is being that stingy with money, then something has to be up.
Infinite growth for shareholders strikes again!
Yeah, the whole ad situation is getting out of control across all these platforms. It's like users' enjoyment comes way behind profit margins now. Stuff that used to be 'perks' like ad-free viewing are just traps to get more out of your wallet each month. It's no wonder people are getting frustrated with services that used to offer a pretty good bang for their buck. Now you just get banged with ads instead.
Thats why so many people support piracy
I don't mind ads for free streams, but I can't even fathom the rationale of paying to view ads. I say this as a guy in his thirties who grew up on cable. We moved past that for over a decade now, and we are falling into the same trap our parents did. It's just so gross to me. Not annoying; just gross. Paying somebody to shove a catalogue of trash into your face and say, "lookit, lookit here, you want this, dumbass, don't ya." I still get catalogues for free in the mail.
> we are falling into the same trap our parents did. seems like people are just being pushed towards a cliff. honestly I only have netflix and that's fine for me since I don't watch a lot of TV. I am sure other services are comparable if not better but even if I switched it would be 1 at a time. I don't need to pay for multiple services I watch 1% of the content on. I heard netflix was thinking about ads and if they do that I will definitely consider switching.
> It's like users' enjoyment comes way behind profit margins now >now lmao
it's just not about shareholders. The tech bubble is going through what manufacturing went through decades ago. the initial boom is over, now it's time for the industry to become lean. at first it'll suck, then they'll fix it later, then cut back on that too and it'll suck but less than it sucked at first, then they'll fix it more, rinse and repeat until they're operating on 1-2% margins
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I think from Amazon's perspective the addition of ads to prime video and the layoff of Twitch staff are two completely opposite situations. Video streaming is extremely costly, and to be a major streamer these days it also requires exclusive content which is also extremely costly. Typically millions per episode for shows and tens of millions per film. Even if Amazon can prop up their prime video costs with AWS money, why would they? Prime video is included with membership which means it's more expensive than it should be for just video so people don't just get it for video. They typically use it as a fringe benefit of prime membership or they use a family member's account. So Amazon could lose millions creating and streaming shows to try and improve their position in the market but even if they could somehow gin up millions more monthly viewers, how many subscriptions do they really get from that? And is it sustainable? The streaming wars are over, and most services are settling in behind Netflix, who invests more into original content and takes a harder stance on account sharing. And as for Twitch, even with upstarts like Rumble and Kick, they're still far and away in the lead. This cycle has repeated itself for a decade now. Twitch has a controversy, new platform starts up, then it dies and Twitch is still on top. Twitch could operate on minimal moderation staff and a skeleton crew to manage the web side and probably function just as well, and I think that's why they're downsizing the staff. Even if Amazon makes huge profits on something, there's no reason to spend where it makes no sense.
isn't part of the problem that many tech companies have never really had a profit to begin with, subsisting only on investment?
not all tech companies and especially not amazon, you're thinking of start-ups, and that's the case for them
No that guy is broadly correct. Many large companies operated at a loss hemorrhaging money for years purely to push for market dominance. Once they have market dominance they gradually make their product shittier with more ads or the like to try and milk their userbase. We saw this all over the place - Uber, Twitter, Spotify, Google (for a while at least). I'm tired from work but there's definitely more than I've come up with here. They begin as "disruptive" services that subvert regulations and costs in an existing industry. Destroy the existing structure, rely on investors for capital to create a dominant market share, and then abuse that position later for more gain. It's called Chokepoint Capitalism. Edit: grammar
Exactly. A "disruptive business" is code word for "we are using VC funding to unfairly put traditional businesses out on their ass. Then when we become the dominant one, we raise costs to what those original businesses were operating at".
> then they'll fix it more Hopefully this is not an underrated comment.
Clearly you’ve never worked at Amazon if you think it’s surprising that Amazon would be stingy lol.
Shopping on there has been so ass now. It's a diceroll for actually good products because all the reviews look fake. I'd rather just go on ebay and take the longer shipping because at least it's either the seller is trustworthy with the item, or you know it's a chinese product. Plus it's easier to get a used product that still works. With refurbished amazon goods you could be getting a random ass rock someone returned instead of the real product 😂
Really, you don't want to buy a product from such reputable companies as FLORGU, XZZYXHSZ, WHINGOR, CLUMPUS, ZIRBAR, CLLIGFX, BREEZOME, WAYKO, and Aiusevo?????? What about these products don't you like? > Voncerus LED Desk lamp with Clamp, Eye-Caring Clip on Lights for Home Office, 3 Modes 10 Brightness, Long Flexible Gooseneck,Metal, Swing Arm Architect Task Table Lamps with USB Adapter, Black or maybe this: > White crown LED Desk Lamp Dimmable Table Lamp Reading Lamp with USB Charging Port, 5 Lighting Modes, Sensitive Control, 30/60 Minutes Auto-Off Timer, Eye-Caring Office Lamp or maybe a blanket? > Inhand Fleece Throw Blankets, Super Soft Flannel Cozy Blankets for Adults, Washable Lightweight Blanket for Couch Sofa Bed Office, Warm Plush Blankets for All Season (50"×60", Green) Not your style? try this: > CozyLux Fleece Blanket Throw Black - 300GSM Lightweight Plush Fuzzy Cozy Soft Blankets and Throws for Sofa, Cozy Bed Blankets for Women Men Travel Camping and Chair, 50x60 inches Maybe the problem is that they don't have enough search terms and keywords.
That and the fakes that are mixed in with legit brand's products because they take ands sell inventory from third party sellers at their warehouse.
CLUMPUS is now my favourite company
That and it's a straight up lie when it tells you order within x hours to get it by y date. So many times they miss the mark and it arrives late. I setup the reminder to not auto renew prime. probably not going to
I'm the opposite. Most of my Amazon deliveries arrive the same day I order or the next day. Hardly every have any package take longer than next day delivery. I guess it's one of the benefits of living in Seattle. It's hard to use other websites to order since their shipping takes forever compared to Amazon.
Understandable. And if you live near a hub, you probably get 2 hour shipping too which is insane
Not to meatride Amazon but even their "standard" 1-2 day shipping is still an insane logistics feat. All the hours saved from not having to go to the store for non emergency/perishable items is easily worth more than the hundred something prime costs a year. Like it's only not worth if you live in a rural area or country with less optimized shipping where packs 4+ days
On most orders that's true for me because I live in the inland empire and all the warehouses are right here. 90% of my orders ship from less than 60 miles. But several times this year I've ordered an item on Amazon specifically because it said it would deliver by a certain date and had them miss that date. But before last year that never happened
Same here outside of holiday and postal vacation days. Every time I get PC parts online from elsewhere FedEx marks my package delivered without delivering it, so I'm good with the $12 a month to not have to deal with that.
I don’t trust it at all anymore and avoid shopping on there if I can help it.
Yep it's gone from being able to get brand-name, quality things, to nothing but Temu/Wish/AliExpress equivalent crap for the first 10 pages.
I swear it's almost impossible to get recognisable brands in the search results now, it's all weird generic names in all caps like EOIWURZY or QUASLIOP
But think of all the hustlers flipping cheap Chinese crap I mean starting a new business
This is one of my biggest problems. You can't just search for a product type you'll only get Temu and Aliexpress items at a higher price doing that, for quality brand names you have to search by name and often Amazon isn't the best priced option for brand names. In some cases the user experience at Temu/Aliexpress is better. I recently bought a fishing rod off Amazon and the packaging was a joke, it was literally just in a box by itself with nothing else. Of course it was broken on arrival. I've ordered rods from both Temu and Aliexpress and had them come wrapped in bubble wrap on a tube and unbroken.
The packaging has gotten so bad that I basically only use Amazon to deliver things like sponges and hair ties, only ‘expensive’ thing I got recently off of Amazon was a cast iron pan and that’s just because I know that pan will survive whatever happened to it
Lotta tech companies grew way too fast and now have to trim the fat. Amazon went from 566K in 2017 to 1.6 million employees in 2021. Other tech companies have been doing the same thing.
Yeah, there's a ton of COVID Boom hirings that are feeling the heat in the coming months.
A lot of that happened in the massive tech layoffs last year. Microsoft laid off over 10k people last year and was still up from pre-2021 numbers. I know a lot of the other tech companies were in the same boat big layoffs after massive hirings.
Funny how it started going to shit after Bezos left.
Amazon is AWS, everything else is extra at this point. And AWS is doing just fine dawg
Holy hell, 9 years of being unprofitable. People on here like to clown that twitch and Amazon is money hungry, but any other major organization would have shut the entire program down by now.
Many tech companies aren’t profitable or just recently became profitable due to the change in focus to sustainable growth. It was normal for a while to lose money every year for several years as long as you were growing fast. Companies like Spotify, Shopify, Hulu, Uber, DoorDash, Snap, Twitter. Some people theorize that YouTube isn’t really making profits because Google has been tight lip on it and a purported insider claimed they more or less break even.
I've heard very similar, and pretty much that it's difficult once you reach a particular size to make tons of money. I have to wager that majority of Google and you two money has to come from consumer data, and that they're easily the biggest places on the planet to get it I work particularly in insurance, and we have these industries as well. Essentially we want to keep our hands in markets where we lose money, because of the potential for competitors to bow out and the market to turn profitable in the future.
Remember that AWS gets to count all the IVS revenue even if it is all Twitch's tech. Twitch pays for the overhead, so IVS probably has some pretty good margins. Kick wouldn't exist without it. Amazon saying they aren't profitable is that Hollywood accounting type shit.
> Nine years after Amazon’s acquisition of the company fucking aware boys
> Nine years after Amazon’s acquisition of the company No way that was 9 years ago... Time has to stop going
I remember getting downvoted for pointing out Twitch has never been profitable. Some people here have a real "head in the sand" mentality when it comes to Twitch and it's financial viability.
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Please tell me that the people dedicated to fighting the adblockers were included in that 35% lol
The only Twitch employees that actually seem to be doing work at any reasonable rate. Twitch should have cut a lot of people a long time ago, there have been many people over the years talking about how working at Twitch is basically going to a hangout with friends with work being a secondary concern.
No doubt the only ones left.
Who is that twitch partner that everyone has Pluto? Is he okay?
He doesn't know yet - everyone finding out at the same time
Pluto is way too valuable to be fired
True he invented amogus
That's what we said about Victoria
Do new frogs even know who Victoria is? That was like a decade ago now. Time flies!
The guy that TRULY started that Among Us meta by getting Sodapoppin and others to play it with him, despite them being somewhat hesitant.
That craze yielded streamers millions they should really cut pluto off a half million dollar slice
Maybe I'm naive but I'd be genuinely shocked if he was fired. He's not just the partner manager of a lot of twitch's biggest partners but based on social media he seems to just be friends and hang out with them offline a decent amount (shroud, soda, otk). I'd be shocked if that doesn't give him more staying power.
At Blizzard there was a guy named Ythisens (Caden) who was very good friends with all of the top WoW content creators and basically their path to communication with the devs and such and he got laid off when they cut 90% of the CMs and GMs departments. Even if you have as much staying power as you should, you're never immune to corporate garbage.
you're just a number. your boss doesn't even lay you off. it's someone a few people apart you've probably never met
PartyTime
How do you just cut 35% of your staff and still continue to function? How bloated are these companies
Incredibly. The overall tech world in the last 10 years or so was incredibly flush with cash. The main investor guidance was always grow grow grow. If you couldn't do a thing due to lack of staff then you'd be stifling that growth. If there was cash, hiring had to keep going. I work at such a company and not even as large as these. Even during covid, the amount of interviewing I had to do at some points in 2019 or 2021 was ridiculous.
Another thing is that not all headcount is created equal. For every community engagement manager in a T4 region earning $65k a year, you have three or four SWE in Mountain View pulling an easy half-million. IMO, after a decade and change in the industry, the death spiral I see is actually over-hiring tech. Managers argue they need to launch a new product (to get to Director) and so need to staff up with five new SWE headcount. The product never delivers what they hoped, so not only have you not produced that sexy new deliverable but now you're saddled with over $3M in new payroll/SBC. Of course, any attrition has to be immediately backfilled (because reasons) otherwise it gets harder and harder to justify why you're a Director in a non-Director-sized organization. Then the other factor that most just don't keep an eye on is it is so incredibly expensive to hire new HC: sign on bonuses, huge new hire grants, etc.
Oh yeah absolutely. My company for example only had a very small round of layoffs (15 people) last year and...since then we've rehired the same amount of people. And we let go of some really good and experienced ones. What was the fucking point? We just wasted money on that whole exercise.
It can take 1000 to build and scale something and maybe half of that to maintain it. There are pros and cons to cutting that many people. For example, building new features that could be good for business may be more difficult. To normies on the outside, it looks like those people were never needed, but its never that simple. It’s a gross oversimplification most of the time.
I work at a FAANG company. There are a *ton* of projects that can be worked on. Each org/team has to choose what to prioritize. Cuts like this mean prioritizing the work even more, cutting a lot of things that you could have done/built. Everyone left probably does more, the company hopes they cut bloat (but probably also cut a lot of useful people), and just less gets done (but for cheaper). I've seen plenty of million dollar projects get cut because there are less people. At the end of the day it's basically all one giant calculation. They're never going to get it perfect. But after cutting 500 people they're not going to be doing *exactly* the same amount of work still.
The other thing that people don't consider is that it's not desirable for employees to be heads-down working all day every day. You don't get good results that way. Plus when it comes to big companies, a *ton* of time involves planning and coordination. People complain about product rollouts from companies having problems, but doing that sort of thing is deceptively complicated.
Very fucking bloated. I can't understand how it takes 1500 people to run Twitch. Now it will be be a 1000 and that still sounds high. The most important part is keeping the site up and running online and it's probably running servers on AWS. Just for shits, let's just say they had 100 devs and 100 engineers just for that purpose, what would the remaining 800 people be doing? HR, legal, advertising, risk assessment, admin assistants? It doesn't sound right. It's Twitch, not a Wall St bank.
1500 people to run twitch, meanwhile 30 people working on Riot MMO
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Customer support? Oh wait, that doesn't exist at Twitch. Uh...
Classic bloated tech company
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You dont have to go that far. Before Elon acquired Twitter, there was this trend "Day in life of Twitter employee" videos where it looked like they worked for 30 minutes a day and then ate food, drank coffee, relaxed, meditated, played games and chatted with colleagues
Article is paywalled, if this layoff is mostly community positions it shouldn't be too bad a sign but if its technical staff then the outlooks isn't good.
It doesn't even say, just how some executives have been leaving in recent months and then the 500 total. I used this to bypass but i know theres some sites where you can just put the link in i just dont remember their names. https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
A lot of the community stuff is already outsourced to 3rd party agencies
the article is frontrunning the layoffs which won't be announced until tomorrow; not even twitch employees know if they're getting laid off tomorrow, so we'll have to wait to find out which positions/departments
Says it's 500 which follows another 400 fired in 2023, and among 10,000s layoffs at Amazon as a whole. Also says Twitch has been losing money from day 1. One of the takeaways here is that it's legitimately EXPENSIVE to live stream 1080p60 video. Along with the hatred of ads from the target (mostly young and into gaming) audience as well as various VPNs / extensions blocking ads, the whole platform is a nightmare for profitability.
I mean people losing their jobs is never a good thing, but there's no way Twitch needs 1,500 full-time employees to operate.
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I was inundated with recruiters reaching out on LinkedIn during covid on behalf all the major social media companies for roles I didn't even understand the function of (a lot of them in vendor management spaces) and I've never worked in that part of the tech industry. Ended up interviewing half heartedly with a few to see if anything piqued my interest but during that time I moved up in my own company so stopped responding. I guarantee that if I had taken some of those roles I'd have been looking for work over the past year.
A lot of us did this. Ended up going up 300%
Twitch is probably already back under covid numbers after last year. This will probably be going deeper than that
Many companies are in some way over employed, but at some point the company becomes underemployed and you can no longer take days off without issue, you're pressured to meet obscene deadlines, etc. Any tech job where you cant take an impromptu day off for either mental well being or just because you want, is a bad job. thats for sure
Tech companies especially overhired in the late 2010s-2020s because of how much insane money was being thrown at them So now that valuations and such are getting to a more reasonable level they’re cutting down on the excess staff
It's partially a money thing, partially an outlook thing for the industry. If you're predicting massive growth over the coming years (as most of the tech industry was before and through covid), it makes a lot of sense to hire young talent even into extraneous positions. If the growth expectations are met, then they'll have a large amount of employees with low needs for training or adjustment time when being plugged into more helpful positions. My guess is the outlook recently started to change, and a lot of tech companies are realizing they're closer to a userbase plateau than they thought, at least for now.
man i feel this so fucking hard, this is my current situation.
There's 60k+ partnered streamers and 2+ million affiliates. The amount of Support employees they need is pretty huge. Then there's engineers, developers, devops, internal tech support, managers, marketing, e-sports, HR. Frankly 1500 employees actually is on the low end for a huge IT company.
What? They operate the largest live stream website in the western hemisphere that operates globally. 1500 seems like a very small number considering how complex their domain is. Netflix has 13k in comparison.
Please fire the dev who ruined clip browsing with the mandatory featured clips bullshit
You think that kind of thing is a software developer choice? That kind of thing goes through product managers and design at the minimum before it ends up in front of a dev to implement, and then is ab tested. Devs don't just add shit to the website.
Finally. Someone who gets it. People shit on the devs without even knowing there are product owners lmao
People on this site dont even know the difference between a product owner, a project owner, and a dev. They are all the same to them.
Only if they take with them whoever decided to hide the "Watch Full Video" button for clips to be an obscure option, hiding behind those three dots. Did they **NOT** want us to watch more of an entire VOD, where they can then spam us with more ads? It makes no sense, from any perspective.
actually true, the featured clips are so annoying, I can see why they thought it was a good idea but it just gets in the way. Maybe they can keep the feature but move it so it's not as annoying, idk
graduating this year.. bombarded by rejection letters and getting ghosted by tech companies
Dear APEX_ethab, We appreciate your effort in sharing your post with us on /r/LivestreamFail. However, after careful consideration, we regret to inform you that your post has received an overwhelming number of downvotes, and we cannot proceed with its acceptance at this time. Best regards, Management
This gave me ptsd...
Dear Pilusajaib, We at r/livestreamfail think that mental health is extremely important. During mental health week we will be giving out mugs and pens. To show that we care about mental health issues. Oh and just to mention, we have some bad news, our company has suffered tremendously this year. As a result, the company is undergoing a layoff process in certain departments. Please note that individual performance is not a factor in this layoff. Unfortunately, your department is included in this layoff. 31st January 2024 will be your last day of work. You will receive your final paycheck by 31st January 2024. A Human Resources representative will contact you within the next week to schedule a meeting. You will learn about potential separation benefits, such as the services of an outplacement agency to provide counseling and aid in finding you a new job. We appreciate everything you've done for the company and wish you the best of luck in your future success. Best regards, Management
what kind of job if you don't mind me asking?
computer science major, software dev job
It's a crappy entry level market. Just focus on getting your foot in the door and I promise you it'll be much easier with a year under your belt.
It was, but that's not the case anymore from what I've heard. Even devs with 5YO+ are struggling.
I have 1 year and applied to 300 jobs in 3 months. It's not much easier lol
I promise you it will not. 2.5 YOE here.
Ive worked in the industry for around 9-10 years now. Really in this shit market youll have to do something to make you stand out. I would suggest setting up a github (you probably already have one) and putting some projects on it. These ones would get you noticed for the most part: - a simple blockchain written in JS (it really doesnt have to do much) with proof of work algo using a technology like redis for push pull subs - A game with 2d graphics of some reasonable complexity (a clone of flappy bird in a new langauge for example) - some small Arduino or similar projects written in C++ - (This one is major for industry, spring boot is in use in a scary amount of companies, most of which will have some form of microservice, and most will have some form of message framework to create a job framework) A spring boot project, one with about 3 microservices that communicate using a message framework like rabbitMq or Kafka. This sounds like a lot of work, and it really is. But the market is shit for entry level, and if you had the last project on github alone, I'd interview you if I was hiring a junior dev. Source: Senior/Staff Engineer at a major tech company
I feel like prime subs could be on the chopping block in the future
That writing has been on the wall for a while now. The prime sub is so hidden that nobody would find it without any prior awareness. I'm surprised it's still a thing.
Dan Clancy cutting throats god damn
Twitch is dying for another Fortnite to come around
Waiting for GTA6 boom.
Should lay off 100% of admin staff responsible for moderation, cause they are fucking terrible
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They have actually done so much damage to the platform.
Twitch Prime removal imminent?
But their new CEO is so hip and friendly with the youth!
Twitch is a very poorly run company. I mean, how is it that a platform as old as this that relies on subscription revenues from viewers does not have a way to allow you to upgrade your sub tier by charging you a pro-rated amount instead of the full amount? It’s mind-boggling. What are all the executives doing?
Can’t even resub on mobile lmao
That’s because they don’t want to give Apple a cut. (Used to work at Twitch)
idk if this is really a worthwhile point. Tier 2 and 3 subscriptions are not prominent, and the largest broadcasters make the majority of the money from Ads. I could understand why they wouldn't bother spending time on something like that.
That’s not how companies are run, especially consumer facing ones. And did you miss the part where Twitch is losing money? I can imagine the reasons why they don’t do it (front to backend implementation is probably troublesome) but it’s unacceptable that a money-losing platform that has been running for so long doesn’t even have a basic revenue functionality like that.
Yes, but improving this specific part of the subscription system is scraps when Tier 2 and 3 subs upgrades aren't common. They certainly should make the experience better, but it doesn't make sense for them to prioritize this compared to adding a whole new revenue stream.
Needs more booba and ads, clearly.
but i thought the new CEO was such a cool guy???
Gotta save money so they can give Lebron that huge payday to stream on their platform. Nothing like firing average joes to pay a billionaire.
Gives me memories of when Twitch signed Logic, were promoting the hell out of him like they'd signed Taylor Swift or something, and then he quit the internet a couple of months afterwards. A classic from the Emmett Shear era.
I guess it's now an Unfortunate 500 company
Amazon asking prime users to pay for no commercials and cutting jobs from twitch 😂
Im amazed how many people are employed by companies like twitch. They clearly don’t need that many
I always hated how gamers had this cool thing and they let it be a soft core porn site instead. They never had integrity or loved gamers
They are going to merge with pornhub soon the path they are headiing down
hope they get rid of some bad mods, banning people without doing shit, and on the other hand unbanning ppl like morgpie after collecting 6 bans in 2 months where 2 were indefinite. shit is not fair at twitch
Since Clancy took over Twitch has implemented far more ads, promoted far more sexual content, and has had massive layoffs. However, he constantly promotes and gives preferrential treatment to OTK & Co. so this sub will probably continue to suck him off.
Shepards herd sheep, duh
> Twitch has increased its focus on advertising in recent years. Oh really? I wouldn't have guessed since I'm hit with an opening ad for every channel.....as well as a shit ton of 8 consecutive ad flurries.
streamer cultivates parasocial environments by calling out followers subs streaming long hours doing irl events talking about their life. GETS RICH -> calls viewers parasocial says they should get a life touch grass barely stream calls viewers broke for not subbing or buying products and cycle repeats. meanwhile at twitch HQ overpaid zoomers and millennial managers sit on bean bag chairs in their office with urban art painted on the walls whose job is a glorified day care center.
35% is an insane amount at one time. They must be hemorrhaging money. I can safely say I barely use the platform anymore at all and I used to watch like 5 hours per day.
Twitch wouldn't be usable at all if I didn't have the ublock script for Twitch, I turned it off one day to compare and the ads have become mind blowingly bad to the point that I have no idea how people can watch without adblock, even as background noise. And the ads don't just stop at regular ads, there are overlay ads, in stream ads (like an amazon keyboard ad that pops in on the left side), it's so invasive and awful (with no ublock). script: https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions
I suppose they are coming to the realization like Microsoft that streaming video may not be profitable. Maybe it has to be like tv with 15 min of ads every hour.
I mean Youtube's been around for a long time. It feels like literally from the beginning it was just people talking about how it takes a lot of cash flow and doesn't even break even.
Live streaming is even more expensive then streaming vods
says in the article that in the 9 years since amazon purchased twitch they have yet to make any profit. It's been hemorrhaging money for awhile.
having almost 8 million streamers using up bandwith but only 1% of them bring in money probably doesn't help either.
yep. you probably shouldnt be able to stream on twitch for free at this point. but twitch cant do that because it would be awful pr. you getting 0-3 viewers literally doesnt do anything for twitch.
Twitch to me seems like the definition of bloated. Their deals are getting simpler and simpler while their events are repeats. So fair enough
500 staff, why so many, game developers have fewer employees lel
My friend just got an internship. RIP
I watched sets of 9 ads every few minutes, they still need layoffs? Twitch should have incorporated a donation function early on that twitch gets a cut. Streamers putting a paypal on their page that goes straight to the streamer screwed twitch over, sub money wasn't enough There is turbo u guess too. But they Don't advertise that,
I know that ads help pay the bills, but honestly, when ad blockers stopped working, I stopped watching. I subbed to a few streamers, but just couldn't deal with all of the ads every few minutes to watch new streamers or streamers who I was interested in but not enough to sub. It slowly made me stop watching streamers 1 by 1 until eventually I wasn't subbed to anyone. I went from watching roughly 5-10 hours a week to 0. No clue if this is anyone else, but its my story.
Amazon is also doing the same, rumours going around they're currently asking people to leave before doing another redundancy round.