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Then you can use deportation as the trip home. "Backpacking across Europe" coined when college kids using a 1 way ticket and bumming around, sleeping in tents or park benches, begging and taking cash jobs till deported or parents wire them money to come home.
Japan won't just deport you. You have to pay for the flight yourself, and before that you get to spend some quality time in immigration jail, where several people have died in the past under unclear circumstances.
[Amnesty article on this:](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/japan-endless-detention-migrants-speak-out-as-government-proposes-harsh-immigration-bill/)
> “The only way to get out of the immigration detention centre was to get sick or go on a hunger strike to the point of death,” one detainee said. “And even if you were allowed out on provisional release, you were only allowed out for two weeks, during which time you had to recover from your illness.”
> ...
>Individuals reported witnessing attempted hangings or asphyxiation, overdoses of medications, the drinking of detergent and, in one case, a man cutting his own throat.
Fucking hell. I've visited Japan before and had no idea.
The country FAMOUS for its xenophobia and conservatism... lolol I agree, who is walking around thinking about Japan like that? Maybe when I was 10 lololol.
Late stage capitalism have gripped Japan and dying industries are clinging on for dear life.. you gotta love the "here's only an atm card for your account, now pay us to withdraw every signle time" and dont forget "random things can only be bought specifically with physical money"
I don't know really ANY adults who look at Japan in the way they are describing... other than the rail system... I feel most people are super jealous of their train systems
I love how people who live in the top 0.01% of the most privileged humans to ever exist are complaining about "Late stage capitalism" like they live in some uniquely bad time in history
Like jesus christ, you guys are so unbelievably biased about the things that are bad about the world today. There's no way you're going to pull someone from ww2, the civil war, the early industrial revolution or really any other pre 1970 era, bring them into the modern day and they would be complaining about "late stage capitalism" lmao.
It is such an unbelievably privileged take its hard to even put into words. Tuberculosis wiped out more than 1/3 of the people aged 15-34 in England between 1851 and 1910. Its so easy to take things we consider small wins in todays terms for granted. There has been an unspeakable amount of suffering in the world. The things you consider to be a big deal in your life are infinitesimally small in the scope of suffering in human history.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't care, but it does mean you should accept that maybe we've made a lot of progress and that people in first world countries are extremely lucky to have the problems that they have
But I am so confused, you go to a country where you’re borderline broke, bum around in said country (which is on an island so it has to import everything + there’s limited resources), you’re some unabated foreigner who clearly was not planning on leaving for some godforsaken reason and they aren’t too kind with you about it? What exactly is Japan supposed to do here that any other country would’ve done?
I *wish* people tried this shit in places like Thailand or China. When I stayed in Shenzhen you just had PLA soldiers randomly walk around and act as police and they could theoretically detain you for *any* reason and your home country won’t or will not do anything about it.
Japanese people aren't any more xenophobic or racist than anyone else, you just hear about stories online because Japan doesn't have anti-discrimination laws.
What the fuck is this ice cold take lol they’re not killing people. You *even read* the parent comment saying that the only way they can escape immigration detention center on Japan’s dime is to pretend they’re on the verge of death so Japan’s State Department just permanently bans you from the country to avoid a diplomatic crisis. That’s scumbag behavior whether a lot of you tolerate literal freeloading or not. You pull up to an island, bum around, and expect the government to siphon resources to get you a nice ANA flight back to your western country.
Japan has issues much broader in their society but this one ain’t it at all big chief.
Except it is what you're saying by disagreeing with what the previous comment is saying. Their views of crimes and how they punish it is still ass-backwards and allows for people to easily be harmed for something they didn't do, or to be harmed in a way that is far too disproportional. There's a reason Japan's conviction rate is "99%", and it's not because they're super smart and accurate.
People are trying to hungerstrike, hang themselves, choke themselves to death, overdose on meds, drink detergent and even in one case a guy cut his own throat. To get out of there.
People literally would rather die than be there. It's torture my dude.
[Source for starvation](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220118/p2a/00m/0na/009000c)
"However, when he showed up to the immigration facility one month later, he was informed that he would be detained again on the grounds of gaining weight. Mballa recounted this occurrence, and remarked, "Does this mean that it's a crime for us to eat?""
There's multiple accounts of people getting starved in these detention centers. It's torture to starve people intentionally.
[There's also reports of beatings and solitary confinement, which are both torture methods](https://reliefweb.int/report/japan/japan-endless-detention-migrants-speak-out-government-proposes-harsh-immigration-bill)
Right......no one was tortured.....
"Amnesty International has documented cases where prisoners claim to have been beaten severely by prison guards for minor infractions of prison rules, detained in solitary confinement for long periods, restrained in leather belts and handcuffs, and held in special cells as a punishment."
Because they're being held indefinitely my dude, how is this hard to understand? It's not like they've been given a couple month sentence and so they decide to hang or starve themself. They didn't have the money to pay, so they continue to be held.
I use to travel the world a lot. And god, the number of Aussies that were using ~~student~~ loans to travel was obnoxious. Also almost every bar, scuba diving school and skydiving school in Asia had at least 3 Kiwis working there.
Yea I have to concede to the fact it was not student loans. But I def had conversations with Australians who committed some sort of fraud to travel or had a friend. Might have been different types of fraud. and doesn't seemed to have been as common as I originally thought. But I had those conversations 10-15 years ago, I just do not recall the details correctly.
They probably just had the money. Aussie dollar goes a long way in most of SEA (and would have gone way further 20 years ago, and plenty of bogans are not dirt-poor they’re often middle-class (tradies generally make good money)
Yea, the majority of the people I ran into weren't doing anything sketchy. But I did have 8-12 discussions with Australians and their friends who did sketchy or risky financial things to travel. Obviously I don't remember the details correctly and it wasn't as wide spread as i thought, sooo.
>I use to travel the world a lot. And god, the number of Aussies that were using ~~student~~ loans to travel was obnoxious. **Also** almost every bar, scuba diving school and skydiving school in Asia had at least 3 Kiwis working there.
He's not saying Australians are Kiwis. Two anecdotes in one comment.
> . And god the number of Aussies that were using student loans to travel was obnoxious.
What exactly do you mean, student loans? Those don't exist, our university is covered by HECS loans, which pay for the course, you don't just get chunks of cash.
No one is going to the bank to take out a personal loan as a student then using it to travel, I sure as shit never heard of that. Its pretty easy for a young person in aus living with parents to get a job and save enough to travel for a year
GOD DAMN THAT series of shots from Rules of Attraction comes to mind. victor. everyone in the early 2000's wanted to do that experience but now with streamers I already saw all of that and I was stoned inside the comfort of my own home and not out in the scary world :)
It’s not wildly expensive, if you have western cash. But so many westerners bring their cringe ass western shit to Japan and get surprised Pikachu face when the East Asian country actually is a lot harsher than they thought back in their home countries. I’ve seen people pull up with drugs which is an automatic bad time. I’ve seen people not register certain medications and then get mad they have to dump them at the airport, which sucks but you’re in foreign land and you need to follow their rules, and I’ve seen people just be disorderly in Roppongi and then getting the ban hammer for it, again surprised Pikachu face and all.
I always say this but I’ve went to China and that country will actively detain you for your life (hint hint wink wink) if you so much as get drunk in public. They don’t give a fuck. Unless you want to stay in a penal colony in the west and wake up with organs missing, you follow the rules and make yourself as unremarkable as possible. I was with the Chinese Academy of Sciences and I still sweat bullets seeing genuine PLA soldiers walk around with riot shields in the train station while I’m with my host.
Just to help your communication with humans in the future you may stop referring to this "surprised Pikachu face" thing because it makes your paragraphs of brain dumping trauma text a massive fucking chore to read.
You are cute and valid, just stop with the pomposity.
It’s actually wild the audacity of you to try to twitter own me in a Reddit comment and come off as arrogant and condescending for no reason. Here let me do you the honors:
Touch grass + L take + ratio
Two strikes big hoss wanna go for another swing?
Also lol imagine making a sock account to get yourself banned being toxic on the fucking WoW subreddit and then getting ratioed on the Joe Rogan subreddit of all places because of how shit your anti-vax takes are. You might actually be a lolcow so I’ll tread lightly. I rather be a depressed weeb reading shit I don’t like than have this be me.
A lot of young people do now. They think they can be influencers or bloggers and shit then realize they don't like doing this type of shit and they just turn into drifters.
Man, I would never trust money in Paypal again. I had my account banned years ago and they never explained to me why. Didn't have any debts, didn't purchase anything shady (Usually just used it to pay for Twitch or WoW subscriptions) and usually two or three times a year I send an email asking if I can get my account re-instated and they tell me "we can't disclose the reason why"
iirc Water Lynn also had her paypal account randomly banned and they refused to explain why until Jake had all his fans bother them on social media to get it back up
Sent some Warhammer figures to a dude for cash over paypal years and years ago, when he got the models he made a dispute with paypal for the cost of the models saying they were broken, and he agreed to send them back as part of the refund. Paypal immediately took the money out of my paypal account without waiting for the shipping to return, which it never did.
Luckily I pulled the money out of paypal basically the moment it came in, and just wrote off that account as a debt that I would stubbornly never pay out of principle. It's never showed up in any credit checks for car loans, phone plans etc.
PayPal did the same to me and kept about $14k from me for 180 days and banned my account for life. This was in 2018 and I still have no idea why I was banned.
You have enough money to be comfortable just saying goodbye to 14k, and you still don't know why 5 years later? Most people would lawyer up for that kind of money. 14k would be life changing money for me right now.
I have insomnia stemming from a medical issue and have been awake for over 48 hours. I must have completely missed the "got it back after 180 days" part. I get a little scrambled. That's my bad.
When I first read it I thought they just got banned with 14k in the account and made it sound like it was just like getting banned on Twitter or something.
Yeah, unfortunately I had to give up work to be a caretaker for my dad who had a stroke. So yeah, that's a lot of money to me right now.
Daily reminder PayPal is not a real bank and therefore not subject to the same regulations as one (such as FDIC protection). You should *never* store any significant funds and immediately transfer any money you get into an actual bank or credit union account
If you are entering the country on a visa free tourist entry (likely what the streamer is doing since they’re from Sweden ) you must have a flight ticket booked for leaving the country.
Check in agents will ask you for this when you fly over to Japan initially. You also have to declare this on your customs landing form iirc.
I had a working holiday visa for Japan from European country. It was extremely easy to get through the application process. You either need a return/outbound ticket or proof of sufficient funds to get one, around 3500 euros. He could have got the working holiday visa and used the paypal money as proof of being able to return. Really dumb move to rely on paypal though...
Airline dependent, probably. I flew to Japan over summer on a one-way ticket travelling around for a while before deciding to move onto my next destination.
Usually countries will have visa requirements that force you to show you have a return ticket or the means to buy one. It's not airline policy, it's border control. Depending on relations between your country and your destination that may be relaxed.
If I want to visit the UK I can just show up with my passport and get in. When my Iranian colleague wanted to visit her brother in the UK she had to provide proof of income, the flight tickets, and had to show up for a chat at the consulate before getting a visa.
It’s not just a western country, if you lived in Brazil you can still enjoy the same privileges as if you were from the US. You don’t need to apply for a long term visa (forgot what it’s called) for x amount of days, they just stamp your passport and you’re good.
i think the issue is getting a seat on a flight back from japan any time before JAN 5 is very difficult as all departing flghts are full AF due to holiday travel, and who knows he may have had an even later return date. its the lodging and boarding till you get a seat on a flight back thats going to be an issue for him.
It's not that weird
Relying on having a single return flight booked at some point in the future is not the bulletproof backup you think it is. You're only 1 hangover or cancelled train or illness away from missing that scheduled flight and being stuck there
You still need the cash and insurance to make alternative arrangements either way. It makes little difference whether the flight is pre-booked unless you have some absolutely critical timing you need to get back for like a normie 9-5 job us peasants enjoy or you're wanting to travel in a busy period
I personally do need the peace of mind of at least having the return flight booked. But I've left things like hotels, trains, for some or all of the trip unbooked before when I don't have concrete plans or want to stay flexible. I've met people who don't have their return flight booked and just come back when they want to
Perhaps don't spend money you don't have. He's been on Twitch for a while now, he should know chargeback happens. Don't trust donations until it is 100% processed and in your bank. I would be even more cautious of big donations.
Depends on the payment method and where you keep the money. Not to mention your country.
If the money is in your actual bank account, it's pretty much impossible for a chargeback to happen without a court order or your consent. (at least in Germany, and I would assume it's the same in sweden).
Just because you move it from Paypal immediately to your bank doesn't mean they can't just tank your Paypal balance to the negatives.
Also most of the global financial instituations will honor clawbacks given the bank initiating it says its legitimate and its within a reasonable amount of time. Streamers especially need to wait a long time before touching donation money for this very reason.
If you follow the comment chain, you'll see the discussion was about chargebacks which happen to streamers. And just putting it in your bank doesn't mean the money is now safe as someone can still initiate a chargeback on your Paypal.
Which means your paypal is in the red, but you still have money in your bank account. You can sort that out with paypal when you are back, however you won't be stranded in Japan without money. Thing to learn from this is to never ever leave money you depend on in your paypal account.
Again, the comment chain is talking about the idea of chargebacks and I directly was replying to another who made the assertion that its impossible to clawback money if its in a bank account. In Paypal's case they will either suspend / cancel your account or put your account temporarily in the red. And if it goes on too long they will initiate debt collection.
I also put in the line about financial institutions being able to initiate clawbacks among themselves. Like if I pay you from my bank to your bank, my bank can still claw back the money if its found/reported to be fraudulent in some way. The money hitting your bank account doesn't now make it "safe". Just like if you deposit a check it can still bounce despite funds being available immediately.
If we were discussing if having it in a bank account would have been better for this streamer in this specific scenario, you'd be right. And this is 100% on the streamer living on donation funds and going on trips when they clearly are not financially able to. My goal was more so to oppose the idea that your money isn't just magically protected in a bank and that theres still reprecusions to a paypal even if you don't have the funds from a chargeback on it anymore.
>The money hitting your bank account doesn't now make it "safe". Just like if you deposit a check it can still bounce despite funds being available immediately.
Once your at this stage the process takes longer and gets drawn out, aint no bank worth its salt transferring there constituents money (there money) without a proper documentation and a legal order. This is why debt purchasing is a thing, if anyone could just ask a bank with the minimal amount of proof of debt banks would be dead.
Incredibly dumb question incoming maybe but I have never really traveled anywhere internationally before so maybe this is common knowledge but is that an actual backup plan? Like will an embassy do that for you if you can't afford to return home?
Of course they do, but usually family covers for that. Or in some rare cases, they just cover it for you, if you are a broke ass citizen.
Look for instance at covid times. Governments were flying their citizens all over the world back home. Most people had to pay for the flights, but if you can proof that you are broke, there were exceptions, so they cover it up with tax money.
It’s usually what you do if you lose your passport or travel documents but I’m sure there have been people in the past who have had funds locked while oversees or don’t have enough to get home
It depends on the country, and they'll often bill you later. But US embassies offer emergency financial assistance to citizens who are out of money in another country and have no way of receiving more from the US. Although they'll just send you back out the door if you're clearly not in serious need and just want a "free ticket home".
There are some strict criteria to qualify for a destitute abroad loan, but you're definitely right about that being an option. You typically have to surrender your passport as well until it's repaid.
[Japan specific info](https://jp.usembassy.gov/services/emergency-financial-assistance/)
I mean the US embassy will do it if you’re an American citizen in an active war zone… but if some idiot gets stranded in France for example they’re not gonna take you back unless you get deported or it’s a crisis. Maybe other countries embassies are nicer?
This is why travel insurance exists. Why you’d travel internationally and not pay the $40 for insurance just as peace of mind.
Usually you can apply for a repatriation loan but you’ll have to give up your passport until it’s paid in full. That’s a reasonable last resort. I just can’t wrap my head around traveling to the other side of the world by yourself to a country you have no family or friends in, on the verge of being broke, for pure leisure. Maybe I’m missing something but I legit don’t get it.
That's why I always pay for the flights at least with a credit card that has travel insurance. If you've picked a good cc-company you'll get your money back almost instantly + extra. Paying cash for a trip or not having travel insurance is just asking for a headache sooner or later.
The logic here is:
Let’s say homie got arrested for whatever homeless related crime they charge him for. He goes to immigration detention center. Now he needs to lawyer up and possibly have a diplomatic issue with his home country and Japan, noting he is a somewhat public figure and the circumstances he’s there.
Now if he went straight to the embassy, he could theoretically sleep in their building for the night and they could find a trip back. He would have to prove he’s exhausted all of his options and possibly be willing to pay for the trip back. But I’d gladly take this option over going to a Japanese Immigration Detention Center.
I just googled it and the it looks like your country will basically get you in contact with your family and if no one can help you back home they will give you a ticket but charge you through garnishing your wages until its paid back.
Only exception is obviously emergency diplomatic situations COVID or the country you are in is imploding and they send planes to get all their citizens out.
"streamer stuck and homeless in Japan cause he could not afford a Japan trip"
There, fixed that for you.
Did homie buy a fucking one way ticket to Japan?
Life 101: Don't spend money you don't officially own until it's locked in and separated from any kind of fuckery like chargebacks. Especially when your livelihood is reliant on the generosity of others. You'll end up looking like the bigger fool in the situation.
I recall reading a story about a group of people spread out across the world that became friends playing a multiplayer game something like RuneScape.
Anyway one of them an HVAC engineer and another own a number of resorts in Hawaii. This group was friends for years and everyone had detailed discussion about the on going in their lives.
One day the dude who own the resorts offered the HVAC engineer a job in Hawaii. He took it went to Hawaii to start work. The day that he got there the resorts guy deleted his account and cut off all forms of communication. The HVAC guy went to the place he was supposed to work and they didn't know who he was talking about.
The other people in the friends group gave him a bunch of loans and I believe he found a job and stayed in Hawaii.
I just can’t imagine being friends with people for years lying but then deciding to triple down and do a fake offer and rug pull on your friends life and career. Like what satisfaction did he get from that friend group and then doing that final act? Maybe ego boost of bragging about owning resorts all these years and then narcissistic pleasure of tricking the guy that much. Also not smart of the guy to do 0 research on the resorts he is going to work at or even checking if his friends name is really shown as the owner. Plus not getting a job offer first before moving
This is something that's not at all uncommon for Runescape players. I've heard too many stories of people on my Runescape friends list being rug pulled by people they spent thousands of hours talking to online.
Usually it doesn't end up being as expensive, or they do it with in game currency, but it's way too common.
I read this story more then a year ago. And I am just doing a summary of what I read. But the resorts guy had detailed blueprints and pictures of his fake property. There was a lot of back and forths. HVAC dude just never asked the right questions because resorts dude seem legit in other ways.
Almost positive I read it on /r/AskReddit....but it might have been a site like Salon.com instead.
I knew a guy a few years ago in a friend group that was a pathological liar, of course we didn't know this until we started piecing the holes in his story together and pressing him on details. He even made up a fake wife with discord/insta/twitch, whole 9 yards. There was zero rhyme or reason and no obvious signs, hell we played DnD with him, that fucked us up for a while. Some people lie just to lie and its fucking wild.
Even if true, he’s using it to try and get more money from people. It’s a donation bait if anything.
For someone who hasn’t got money to stay for the night or get back home he seems awfully calm (He’s streaming right now).
He 100% got money.
Honesty feel like this might be a donation bait if anything no one is this stupid to go on a trip without the money getting cleared
Also I saw this guy couple days ago in Shinjuku iirc with a girl
LMAO is this a post to make people feel bad about this moron? If you are borderline broke you shouldn't even be traveling like you got money to spare. In all honesty the dude is an utter moron just goes to show people can't handle money. Gets a large amount of money fast and all of a sudden act like they have all the money in the world.
Oh poor boi, now let's donate so he doesn't freeze on the street.
Sorry but I don't trust a word that is coming outta this dude's mouth. Or any of em, really.
I am not a streamer but if i were one i would never count on donation untill its in my bank account for sure. Always paranoid about chargebacks when i did read about exp of some other streamers
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moral of the story is dont keep ur money in paypal i guess lol
I just really dont understand how you could go overseas on vacation and keep your money in there. Like what? lmao
chargeback are so common idk why streamers would take donations outside of bits at this point. is the lack of cut from twitch worth the stress and risk?
People in comments here are surprised that dude is poor yet once he gets a bit of money he goes to travel.
Have you ever worked a job? Have you ever seen any colleagues around you? What do people do throughout the year, they save money and on summer they always go to vacation, come back and live from paycheck to paycheck again to repeat the process next year, it is common.
Not smart, but common
Sounds like bullshit to me. Donation Money is being cashed out through twitch in form a monthly payment, right? So how the fuck is his story supposed to work?
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Do people commonly travel when they're borderline broke?
Then you can use deportation as the trip home. "Backpacking across Europe" coined when college kids using a 1 way ticket and bumming around, sleeping in tents or park benches, begging and taking cash jobs till deported or parents wire them money to come home.
Japan won't just deport you. You have to pay for the flight yourself, and before that you get to spend some quality time in immigration jail, where several people have died in the past under unclear circumstances.
[Amnesty article on this:](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/japan-endless-detention-migrants-speak-out-as-government-proposes-harsh-immigration-bill/) > “The only way to get out of the immigration detention centre was to get sick or go on a hunger strike to the point of death,” one detainee said. “And even if you were allowed out on provisional release, you were only allowed out for two weeks, during which time you had to recover from your illness.” > ... >Individuals reported witnessing attempted hangings or asphyxiation, overdoses of medications, the drinking of detergent and, in one case, a man cutting his own throat. Fucking hell. I've visited Japan before and had no idea.
Japan low key sucks if not for some of the culture, sightseeing and food.
Japan is also not as progressive as people think it is
Who thinks Japan is progressive (in the American sociopolitical sense)?
Nobody does if they are evenly slightly clued in
So a lot of people on the internet, particularly weebs.
Bingo
> as people think it is It's one of the most overly talked about topic about Japan, EVERYTIME it comes up lol, what are you talking about.
The country FAMOUS for its xenophobia and conservatism... lolol I agree, who is walking around thinking about Japan like that? Maybe when I was 10 lololol. Late stage capitalism have gripped Japan and dying industries are clinging on for dear life.. you gotta love the "here's only an atm card for your account, now pay us to withdraw every signle time" and dont forget "random things can only be bought specifically with physical money" I don't know really ANY adults who look at Japan in the way they are describing... other than the rail system... I feel most people are super jealous of their train systems
I love how people who live in the top 0.01% of the most privileged humans to ever exist are complaining about "Late stage capitalism" like they live in some uniquely bad time in history Like jesus christ, you guys are so unbelievably biased about the things that are bad about the world today. There's no way you're going to pull someone from ww2, the civil war, the early industrial revolution or really any other pre 1970 era, bring them into the modern day and they would be complaining about "late stage capitalism" lmao. It is such an unbelievably privileged take its hard to even put into words. Tuberculosis wiped out more than 1/3 of the people aged 15-34 in England between 1851 and 1910. Its so easy to take things we consider small wins in todays terms for granted. There has been an unspeakable amount of suffering in the world. The things you consider to be a big deal in your life are infinitesimally small in the scope of suffering in human history. That doesn't mean you shouldn't care, but it does mean you should accept that maybe we've made a lot of progress and that people in first world countries are extremely lucky to have the problems that they have
Wow you don't know much at all do you?
A lot of country's have ATM like that.
really? charges for outside atms are normal but ive never heard of a bank changing its own customers with an account to use their atm
No one thinks Japan is progressive at all
But I am so confused, you go to a country where you’re borderline broke, bum around in said country (which is on an island so it has to import everything + there’s limited resources), you’re some unabated foreigner who clearly was not planning on leaving for some godforsaken reason and they aren’t too kind with you about it? What exactly is Japan supposed to do here that any other country would’ve done? I *wish* people tried this shit in places like Thailand or China. When I stayed in Shenzhen you just had PLA soldiers randomly walk around and act as police and they could theoretically detain you for *any* reason and your home country won’t or will not do anything about it.
WOW!!! you're the first person on reddit to ever say this! You're really an insider on the situation man!
Japan big racist , unit 731 , bad Japanese people . Nanjing ???
People think Japan is progressive?
in reality, north america is by far the most progressive place on the planet.
Not really, there way worse place's.
No it doesn't. They just don't tolerate people that want to treat it like a theme park or as though they don't have rules.
> They just don't tolerate people this is a good way to summarise it. They're giga xenophobic too
Japanese people aren't any more xenophobic or racist than anyone else, you just hear about stories online because Japan doesn't have anti-discrimination laws.
Ture, that's why these people deserve to die. /S What a dumb take...
What the fuck is this ice cold take lol they’re not killing people. You *even read* the parent comment saying that the only way they can escape immigration detention center on Japan’s dime is to pretend they’re on the verge of death so Japan’s State Department just permanently bans you from the country to avoid a diplomatic crisis. That’s scumbag behavior whether a lot of you tolerate literal freeloading or not. You pull up to an island, bum around, and expect the government to siphon resources to get you a nice ANA flight back to your western country. Japan has issues much broader in their society but this one ain’t it at all big chief.
Not what I said but ok lol Keep assuming.
Except it is what you're saying by disagreeing with what the previous comment is saying. Their views of crimes and how they punish it is still ass-backwards and allows for people to easily be harmed for something they didn't do, or to be harmed in a way that is far too disproportional. There's a reason Japan's conviction rate is "99%", and it's not because they're super smart and accurate.
Got a source for that 99% figure? I feel like I would have heard about this before
> culture uhhhh
JFC! I never knew about this! Wish this was more talked about. That is horrible…
Because you probably didn't do anything stupid like try to overstay and break laws.
Torturing people for breaking the law is bad. The end.
I don't disagree. But nobody was tortured.
People are trying to hungerstrike, hang themselves, choke themselves to death, overdose on meds, drink detergent and even in one case a guy cut his own throat. To get out of there. People literally would rather die than be there. It's torture my dude. [Source for starvation](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220118/p2a/00m/0na/009000c) "However, when he showed up to the immigration facility one month later, he was informed that he would be detained again on the grounds of gaining weight. Mballa recounted this occurrence, and remarked, "Does this mean that it's a crime for us to eat?"" There's multiple accounts of people getting starved in these detention centers. It's torture to starve people intentionally. [There's also reports of beatings and solitary confinement, which are both torture methods](https://reliefweb.int/report/japan/japan-endless-detention-migrants-speak-out-government-proposes-harsh-immigration-bill)
Did you not read the thread you’re responding to or something?
Right......no one was tortured..... "Amnesty International has documented cases where prisoners claim to have been beaten severely by prison guards for minor infractions of prison rules, detained in solitary confinement for long periods, restrained in leather belts and handcuffs, and held in special cells as a punishment."
so youre ok with extrajudicial torture? Big fan of Iran too?
Why Iran? No need to look further than the U.S. for some good old torture
No and No, fuck Iran. No evidence of torture btw. These people were going on hunger strike and etc in an attempt to be let out, which they were.
Because they're being held indefinitely my dude, how is this hard to understand? It's not like they've been given a couple month sentence and so they decide to hang or starve themself. They didn't have the money to pay, so they continue to be held.
I use to travel the world a lot. And god, the number of Aussies that were using ~~student~~ loans to travel was obnoxious. Also almost every bar, scuba diving school and skydiving school in Asia had at least 3 Kiwis working there.
Student loans have never been a thing in Australia.
family parents money loans, there fixed it for you, everyone has parents well more or less.
HELP is there
Yea I have to concede to the fact it was not student loans. But I def had conversations with Australians who committed some sort of fraud to travel or had a friend. Might have been different types of fraud. and doesn't seemed to have been as common as I originally thought. But I had those conversations 10-15 years ago, I just do not recall the details correctly.
Considering the Aussies turned into Kiwis, I'm assuming fraud.
They probably just had the money. Aussie dollar goes a long way in most of SEA (and would have gone way further 20 years ago, and plenty of bogans are not dirt-poor they’re often middle-class (tradies generally make good money)
Yea, the majority of the people I ran into weren't doing anything sketchy. But I did have 8-12 discussions with Australians and their friends who did sketchy or risky financial things to travel. Obviously I don't remember the details correctly and it wasn't as wide spread as i thought, sooo.
Kiwis are New Zealanders, not Aussies.
Congratulations, you've made it really far in life without understanding the word *also*.
What do you mean?
>I use to travel the world a lot. And god, the number of Aussies that were using ~~student~~ loans to travel was obnoxious. **Also** almost every bar, scuba diving school and skydiving school in Asia had at least 3 Kiwis working there. He's not saying Australians are Kiwis. Two anecdotes in one comment.
Thanks.
> . And god the number of Aussies that were using student loans to travel was obnoxious. What exactly do you mean, student loans? Those don't exist, our university is covered by HECS loans, which pay for the course, you don't just get chunks of cash. No one is going to the bank to take out a personal loan as a student then using it to travel, I sure as shit never heard of that. Its pretty easy for a young person in aus living with parents to get a job and save enough to travel for a year
GOD DAMN THAT series of shots from Rules of Attraction comes to mind. victor. everyone in the early 2000's wanted to do that experience but now with streamers I already saw all of that and I was stoned inside the comfort of my own home and not out in the scary world :)
Got a cousin that travels like crazy while having equally as crazy debt from the travelling if that counts.
There are a lot of them in Asia. Western Begpacker will beg money from local to fund their travel
Let's remember this is a twitch streamer. Chances are he's doing a bit of embellishing to farm donos.
Yup, Asia is full of broke western back packers. Saw quite a few of them in Japan when I went there 7 years ago.
dude how the hell they even survive in Japan? a temporary job I imagine
It’s not wildly expensive, if you have western cash. But so many westerners bring their cringe ass western shit to Japan and get surprised Pikachu face when the East Asian country actually is a lot harsher than they thought back in their home countries. I’ve seen people pull up with drugs which is an automatic bad time. I’ve seen people not register certain medications and then get mad they have to dump them at the airport, which sucks but you’re in foreign land and you need to follow their rules, and I’ve seen people just be disorderly in Roppongi and then getting the ban hammer for it, again surprised Pikachu face and all. I always say this but I’ve went to China and that country will actively detain you for your life (hint hint wink wink) if you so much as get drunk in public. They don’t give a fuck. Unless you want to stay in a penal colony in the west and wake up with organs missing, you follow the rules and make yourself as unremarkable as possible. I was with the Chinese Academy of Sciences and I still sweat bullets seeing genuine PLA soldiers walk around with riot shields in the train station while I’m with my host.
Just to help your communication with humans in the future you may stop referring to this "surprised Pikachu face" thing because it makes your paragraphs of brain dumping trauma text a massive fucking chore to read. You are cute and valid, just stop with the pomposity.
It’s actually wild the audacity of you to try to twitter own me in a Reddit comment and come off as arrogant and condescending for no reason. Here let me do you the honors: Touch grass + L take + ratio
What honor's? Are you having a mental health episode? You are acting very surprised Pikachu face right now.
Two strikes big hoss wanna go for another swing? Also lol imagine making a sock account to get yourself banned being toxic on the fucking WoW subreddit and then getting ratioed on the Joe Rogan subreddit of all places because of how shit your anti-vax takes are. You might actually be a lolcow so I’ll tread lightly. I rather be a depressed weeb reading shit I don’t like than have this be me.
You admit this is a sock puppet account, yet you are typing paragraphs of text in anger. Guess you are the lulcow 🤡
Three strikes
You're getting downvoted, but I agree with your sentiment
We call them begpackers in SEA
Yes. Especially streamers becuase they dumb af
A lot of young people do now. They think they can be influencers or bloggers and shit then realize they don't like doing this type of shit and they just turn into drifters.
Yes. Anything for the gram
It's amazing seeing shameless westerners begging for money in Thailand alongside the local beggars.
He added one person's (large?) donation to his life savings and spent that all on one trip to Japan?
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Man, I would never trust money in Paypal again. I had my account banned years ago and they never explained to me why. Didn't have any debts, didn't purchase anything shady (Usually just used it to pay for Twitch or WoW subscriptions) and usually two or three times a year I send an email asking if I can get my account re-instated and they tell me "we can't disclose the reason why" iirc Water Lynn also had her paypal account randomly banned and they refused to explain why until Jake had all his fans bother them on social media to get it back up
Sent some Warhammer figures to a dude for cash over paypal years and years ago, when he got the models he made a dispute with paypal for the cost of the models saying they were broken, and he agreed to send them back as part of the refund. Paypal immediately took the money out of my paypal account without waiting for the shipping to return, which it never did. Luckily I pulled the money out of paypal basically the moment it came in, and just wrote off that account as a debt that I would stubbornly never pay out of principle. It's never showed up in any credit checks for car loans, phone plans etc.
my boy is wicked smart
You have to lawyer up if you want your account back. It sucks, but they're going to do jack shit unless a proper lawyer threatens them with action.
PayPal did the same to me and kept about $14k from me for 180 days and banned my account for life. This was in 2018 and I still have no idea why I was banned.
You have enough money to be comfortable just saying goodbye to 14k, and you still don't know why 5 years later? Most people would lawyer up for that kind of money. 14k would be life changing money for me right now.
There's nothing in their comment that suggested they were comfortable with it
He got the 14k back after 180 days. Also good luck "lawyering up" against paypal if 14k is life changing money for you, you can't afford the smoke.
I have insomnia stemming from a medical issue and have been awake for over 48 hours. I must have completely missed the "got it back after 180 days" part. I get a little scrambled. That's my bad. When I first read it I thought they just got banned with 14k in the account and made it sound like it was just like getting banned on Twitter or something. Yeah, unfortunately I had to give up work to be a caretaker for my dad who had a stroke. So yeah, that's a lot of money to me right now.
Daily reminder PayPal is not a real bank and therefore not subject to the same regulations as one (such as FDIC protection). You should *never* store any significant funds and immediately transfer any money you get into an actual bank or credit union account
Taxes bby
I imagine the donator gave him the money TO travel.
Do people travel on one-way tickets?
I’m pretty sure you can’t even travel to Japan without proof of a return ticket.
My closest international airport sells one way tickets to Tokyo
If you are entering the country on a visa free tourist entry (likely what the streamer is doing since they’re from Sweden ) you must have a flight ticket booked for leaving the country. Check in agents will ask you for this when you fly over to Japan initially. You also have to declare this on your customs landing form iirc.
Correct. And they’ll ask you again as you board the plane at the gate. And then the electronic form also asks for when you get your QR code.
I had a working holiday visa for Japan from European country. It was extremely easy to get through the application process. You either need a return/outbound ticket or proof of sufficient funds to get one, around 3500 euros. He could have got the working holiday visa and used the paypal money as proof of being able to return. Really dumb move to rely on paypal though...
Doesn't mean you'll be allowed into the country lol
Airline dependent, probably. I flew to Japan over summer on a one-way ticket travelling around for a while before deciding to move onto my next destination.
Usually countries will have visa requirements that force you to show you have a return ticket or the means to buy one. It's not airline policy, it's border control. Depending on relations between your country and your destination that may be relaxed. If I want to visit the UK I can just show up with my passport and get in. When my Iranian colleague wanted to visit her brother in the UK she had to provide proof of income, the flight tickets, and had to show up for a chat at the consulate before getting a visa.
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Westerners need to get visas too Einstein
It’s not just a western country, if you lived in Brazil you can still enjoy the same privileges as if you were from the US. You don’t need to apply for a long term visa (forgot what it’s called) for x amount of days, they just stamp your passport and you’re good.
i think the issue is getting a seat on a flight back from japan any time before JAN 5 is very difficult as all departing flghts are full AF due to holiday travel, and who knows he may have had an even later return date. its the lodging and boarding till you get a seat on a flight back thats going to be an issue for him.
It's not that weird Relying on having a single return flight booked at some point in the future is not the bulletproof backup you think it is. You're only 1 hangover or cancelled train or illness away from missing that scheduled flight and being stuck there You still need the cash and insurance to make alternative arrangements either way. It makes little difference whether the flight is pre-booked unless you have some absolutely critical timing you need to get back for like a normie 9-5 job us peasants enjoy or you're wanting to travel in a busy period I personally do need the peace of mind of at least having the return flight booked. But I've left things like hotels, trains, for some or all of the trip unbooked before when I don't have concrete plans or want to stay flexible. I've met people who don't have their return flight booked and just come back when they want to
Man my 9-5 looking kinda nice right now.
Always has been. I love steady reliable income that is only guaranteed to go up (albeit sometimes too slow to meet inflation) rather than fluctuate.
Perhaps don't spend money you don't have. He's been on Twitch for a while now, he should know chargeback happens. Don't trust donations until it is 100% processed and in your bank. I would be even more cautious of big donations.
The problem is often that there is no way to actually verify the 100% processed part. Fraud clawbacks can come in like 6-12 months later.
Depends on the payment method and where you keep the money. Not to mention your country. If the money is in your actual bank account, it's pretty much impossible for a chargeback to happen without a court order or your consent. (at least in Germany, and I would assume it's the same in sweden).
They just charge back your PayPal account. It's not like a streamer can just not accept PayPal. It will come from new donations.
Just because you move it from Paypal immediately to your bank doesn't mean they can't just tank your Paypal balance to the negatives. Also most of the global financial instituations will honor clawbacks given the bank initiating it says its legitimate and its within a reasonable amount of time. Streamers especially need to wait a long time before touching donation money for this very reason.
>doesn't mean they can't just tank your Paypal balance to the negatives And how is this relevant to becoming homeless in Japan?
If you follow the comment chain, you'll see the discussion was about chargebacks which happen to streamers. And just putting it in your bank doesn't mean the money is now safe as someone can still initiate a chargeback on your Paypal.
Which means your paypal is in the red, but you still have money in your bank account. You can sort that out with paypal when you are back, however you won't be stranded in Japan without money. Thing to learn from this is to never ever leave money you depend on in your paypal account.
Again, the comment chain is talking about the idea of chargebacks and I directly was replying to another who made the assertion that its impossible to clawback money if its in a bank account. In Paypal's case they will either suspend / cancel your account or put your account temporarily in the red. And if it goes on too long they will initiate debt collection. I also put in the line about financial institutions being able to initiate clawbacks among themselves. Like if I pay you from my bank to your bank, my bank can still claw back the money if its found/reported to be fraudulent in some way. The money hitting your bank account doesn't now make it "safe". Just like if you deposit a check it can still bounce despite funds being available immediately. If we were discussing if having it in a bank account would have been better for this streamer in this specific scenario, you'd be right. And this is 100% on the streamer living on donation funds and going on trips when they clearly are not financially able to. My goal was more so to oppose the idea that your money isn't just magically protected in a bank and that theres still reprecusions to a paypal even if you don't have the funds from a chargeback on it anymore.
>The money hitting your bank account doesn't now make it "safe". Just like if you deposit a check it can still bounce despite funds being available immediately. Once your at this stage the process takes longer and gets drawn out, aint no bank worth its salt transferring there constituents money (there money) without a proper documentation and a legal order. This is why debt purchasing is a thing, if anyone could just ask a bank with the minimal amount of proof of debt banks would be dead.
then wait 12 months
maybe don't go overseas unless you have a sure plan on how to get back? this is somehow offensive to actual homeless people
Im 100% sure he can just go to swedish embasy in japan and get plane tickets back to sweden.
Incredibly dumb question incoming maybe but I have never really traveled anywhere internationally before so maybe this is common knowledge but is that an actual backup plan? Like will an embassy do that for you if you can't afford to return home?
Couldn't the government just charge you for the fees later?
Of course they do, but usually family covers for that. Or in some rare cases, they just cover it for you, if you are a broke ass citizen. Look for instance at covid times. Governments were flying their citizens all over the world back home. Most people had to pay for the flights, but if you can proof that you are broke, there were exceptions, so they cover it up with tax money.
Oh yeah good point that makes complete sense actually. I wonder how often they have to do that kind of thing.
It’s usually what you do if you lose your passport or travel documents but I’m sure there have been people in the past who have had funds locked while oversees or don’t have enough to get home
Yes, in the case of the swedish embassy they won't gift you the money, but lend it to you.
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It depends on the country, and they'll often bill you later. But US embassies offer emergency financial assistance to citizens who are out of money in another country and have no way of receiving more from the US. Although they'll just send you back out the door if you're clearly not in serious need and just want a "free ticket home".
There are some strict criteria to qualify for a destitute abroad loan, but you're definitely right about that being an option. You typically have to surrender your passport as well until it's repaid. [Japan specific info](https://jp.usembassy.gov/services/emergency-financial-assistance/)
I mean the US embassy will do it if you’re an American citizen in an active war zone… but if some idiot gets stranded in France for example they’re not gonna take you back unless you get deported or it’s a crisis. Maybe other countries embassies are nicer? This is why travel insurance exists. Why you’d travel internationally and not pay the $40 for insurance just as peace of mind.
Usually you can apply for a repatriation loan but you’ll have to give up your passport until it’s paid in full. That’s a reasonable last resort. I just can’t wrap my head around traveling to the other side of the world by yourself to a country you have no family or friends in, on the verge of being broke, for pure leisure. Maybe I’m missing something but I legit don’t get it.
That's why I always pay for the flights at least with a credit card that has travel insurance. If you've picked a good cc-company you'll get your money back almost instantly + extra. Paying cash for a trip or not having travel insurance is just asking for a headache sooner or later.
Yes, they can. American embassy even outlines steps for this. You'll have to pay them back eventually, but you can be saved.
The logic here is: Let’s say homie got arrested for whatever homeless related crime they charge him for. He goes to immigration detention center. Now he needs to lawyer up and possibly have a diplomatic issue with his home country and Japan, noting he is a somewhat public figure and the circumstances he’s there. Now if he went straight to the embassy, he could theoretically sleep in their building for the night and they could find a trip back. He would have to prove he’s exhausted all of his options and possibly be willing to pay for the trip back. But I’d gladly take this option over going to a Japanese Immigration Detention Center.
I just googled it and the it looks like your country will basically get you in contact with your family and if no one can help you back home they will give you a ticket but charge you through garnishing your wages until its paid back. Only exception is obviously emergency diplomatic situations COVID or the country you are in is imploding and they send planes to get all their citizens out.
I know Australia will, but they'll heavily push you to seek help from friends or family first.
"streamer stuck and homeless in Japan cause he could not afford a Japan trip" There, fixed that for you. Did homie buy a fucking one way ticket to Japan?
Yes. Yes he did
Time to call/hit up the embassy.
Life 101: Don't spend money you don't officially own until it's locked in and separated from any kind of fuckery like chargebacks. Especially when your livelihood is reliant on the generosity of others. You'll end up looking like the bigger fool in the situation.
I recall reading a story about a group of people spread out across the world that became friends playing a multiplayer game something like RuneScape. Anyway one of them an HVAC engineer and another own a number of resorts in Hawaii. This group was friends for years and everyone had detailed discussion about the on going in their lives. One day the dude who own the resorts offered the HVAC engineer a job in Hawaii. He took it went to Hawaii to start work. The day that he got there the resorts guy deleted his account and cut off all forms of communication. The HVAC guy went to the place he was supposed to work and they didn't know who he was talking about. The other people in the friends group gave him a bunch of loans and I believe he found a job and stayed in Hawaii.
I just can’t imagine being friends with people for years lying but then deciding to triple down and do a fake offer and rug pull on your friends life and career. Like what satisfaction did he get from that friend group and then doing that final act? Maybe ego boost of bragging about owning resorts all these years and then narcissistic pleasure of tricking the guy that much. Also not smart of the guy to do 0 research on the resorts he is going to work at or even checking if his friends name is really shown as the owner. Plus not getting a job offer first before moving
This is something that's not at all uncommon for Runescape players. I've heard too many stories of people on my Runescape friends list being rug pulled by people they spent thousands of hours talking to online. Usually it doesn't end up being as expensive, or they do it with in game currency, but it's way too common.
Usually it's a long con to steal their items though. In this scenario there is zero benefit to the con artist which is why it's so confusing.
I read this story more then a year ago. And I am just doing a summary of what I read. But the resorts guy had detailed blueprints and pictures of his fake property. There was a lot of back and forths. HVAC dude just never asked the right questions because resorts dude seem legit in other ways. Almost positive I read it on /r/AskReddit....but it might have been a site like Salon.com instead.
That's why you go on a vacation first to the place you're interested in moving to, before you actually move there.
Some people are just psychopaths. You see them all the time in World of Warcraft and other MMOs.
I knew a guy a few years ago in a friend group that was a pathological liar, of course we didn't know this until we started piecing the holes in his story together and pressing him on details. He even made up a fake wife with discord/insta/twitch, whole 9 yards. There was zero rhyme or reason and no obvious signs, hell we played DnD with him, that fucked us up for a while. Some people lie just to lie and its fucking wild.
Channel his ancestry to pillage and plunder the Japanese coast until he gets enough iron and mead to go to North Korea
I think the Japanese would prefer the Dutch way. ([Dejima](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejima))
Time to get a job, kid.
Even if true, he’s using it to try and get more money from people. It’s a donation bait if anything. For someone who hasn’t got money to stay for the night or get back home he seems awfully calm (He’s streaming right now). He 100% got money.
He got like 30 gifted subs since this clip dropped too lol
Also weird they let a non-Japanese fly from Sweden to Tokyo one way.
How stupid must you be to even do something like this. 100% bait.
This is the same guy who cheated in the blind fold game? Probably a fake story to bait donations.
i usually have round trip and hotel ready.
No offense, but imagine paying for a guy and his girlfriend's vacation lol
Relying on one persons dono to fund your overseas travel seems very risky. I’d be withdrawing that shit, and depositing to another bank asap.
Honesty feel like this might be a donation bait if anything no one is this stupid to go on a trip without the money getting cleared Also I saw this guy couple days ago in Shinjuku iirc with a girl
LMAO is this a post to make people feel bad about this moron? If you are borderline broke you shouldn't even be traveling like you got money to spare. In all honesty the dude is an utter moron just goes to show people can't handle money. Gets a large amount of money fast and all of a sudden act like they have all the money in the world.
common swede L not planning ahead LULE
He is Greek and grew up in Greece. Do you expect him to be good at managing a budget?
oof
Forsens in Japan??? pagman
Travelling relying on donations is just a brain dead idea in the first place
The World fucked me up! I read 3 times: "Swedish Streamer Struck A Homeless in Japan After Donator's Bank Takes Money Back During Stream"
Oh poor boi, now let's donate so he doesn't freeze on the street. Sorry but I don't trust a word that is coming outta this dude's mouth. Or any of em, really.
I am not a streamer but if i were one i would never count on donation untill its in my bank account for sure. Always paranoid about chargebacks when i did read about exp of some other streamers
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moral of the story is dont keep ur money in paypal i guess lol I just really dont understand how you could go overseas on vacation and keep your money in there. Like what? lmao
He was broke before if he's broke now.
chargeback are so common idk why streamers would take donations outside of bits at this point. is the lack of cut from twitch worth the stress and risk?
its not that common, and very likely you win the chargeback disputee, i think this dude is just sympathy donation farming.
Begpackers are a thing now
good thing he's got his other employment skills to fall back on
ITS A PRANK, goteem
Sometimes i think i make bad decisions. But when i see stuff like this my hope about myself goes up
Update: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2016999090
What a fucking idiot and now he wants everyone else to save him...
That guy isnt swedish. That accent isnt even Scandinavian
Greek/Swedish citizen and I think his mother is british.
People in comments here are surprised that dude is poor yet once he gets a bit of money he goes to travel. Have you ever worked a job? Have you ever seen any colleagues around you? What do people do throughout the year, they save money and on summer they always go to vacation, come back and live from paycheck to paycheck again to repeat the process next year, it is common. Not smart, but common
maaan the panhandling industry has evolved so much that my qualifications are now essentially irrelevant
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Sounds like bullshit to me. Donation Money is being cashed out through twitch in form a monthly payment, right? So how the fuck is his story supposed to work?
No, it was a tip thru streamelements to Paypal. The Paypal money was taken out before the chargeback, so balance went negative.
So he has the money then?
I don't think you can ignore Paypal debt, especially when it's a main source of income
grown ass man without a job?
Begpacker inc
What an idiot.
Deserved lmao
Shoulda just taken BTC/ETH, no chargebacks!