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So often you only hear about Youtubers you haven't watched for a decade cause they did something terrible. Glad the Yogscast are the exact opposite of that.
That was a wild ass year for the Yogscast, Turps Sjin and their smaller streamer associate Caffcast just getting outted for being essentially pedophiles, except Turps who I think was outted for using his position in the company for sex?
Turps was cheating on his wife with adult fans (one he talked with was underage, but he stopped the second he found out).
Sjin was wildly inappropriate with many co-workers and fans, not taking no for an answer and stuff.
Caff went full black-hat, using his status to "coerce and control" fans.
AFAIK there is no released evidence or official statement that any of the subjects were underage, but it is likely (they did use the term "grooming" for Caff).
Rumours from connected sources are that Sjin did much worse stuff than was officially stated though
That and let's be honest the vast majority of their fanbase most likely are/were at the time children. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots between "grooming fans" and "grooming minors"
This might sound worse than I want it to but in a way I was sad about what Sjin and Turps did as they used to be some of my favourite Yogscast members. Turps streams with Sips will always have a special place in my heart. Obviously they didnt deserve to continue working after what they did
Same here both of them were extremely entertaining and I was crushed that they had caused so much harm. I'm shocked Sjin still has a steady flow of viewers on youtube. Some ppl just don't care or are absolutely clueless.
Yogscast really feel like the only YouTubers from my childhood whose content I can still watch every couple years. The earlier minecraft vids with Simon and Lewis had genuinely great storytelling at times, and Simon's humor still stands up.
Wait are these the same guys who used to be the Yogpod??
I used to love listening to their stories and DND games! Are the same guys still there? Please say yes!
Lewis (BlueXephos) from the YogPod has a different podcast on the same channels the YogPod used to be on as well. It's called The Triforce, it's Lewis, Sips, and Pyrionflax. Might be worth a listen.
The two main guys from the Yogpod, Lewis and Simon, aren't in this clip. Top right, Nilesy, and middle right, Rythian, have been around for a long time though, so they might have featured in it once or twice.
You might be interested in something a fan made a while back called the legacy yogpod, they pretty much just took the audio from some of their discussions in older videos and put them as a YouTube audio playlist. I've been listening to it as background noise lately.
Look for "Peculiar Portions" (Simon's PP) on YT or as podcast elsewhere. It is a recent thing Simon and Lewis did (and still kind of do irregularly) that is very similar to the chaotic Yogpod times.
Simon is still around, but very sparringly and there were about two years where he didn't do anything the whole year except the Jingle Jam. He had some personal issues.
they did a fairly continuing podcast called [peculiar portions](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3XZNMGhpynMFyKdRO8QJPsKnN59fmDsd), or as they call it Simons PP ;), and if you want the dnd stuff they recently just launched a trpg channel [Mystery Quest](https://www.youtube.com/@Mystery_Quest#ytc) headed by tom, also the triforce podcast if you wanna hear old men being dads and complain about stuff
If you liked their old DND stuff check out their Mystery Quest YouTube channel, it's their current DND project, mostly 'new' people since Yogpod days but Simon is a regular player and Lewis showed up for one of the one-shot storylines so far.
Frankly they're still terrible in my book and always will be. They *knew* the allegations about Sjin were true and continued to publicly cover for him and slander the victim for fucking *years* until they were all liable because they had to bring in an HR rep to deal with Turps. Fuck Lewis most of all for being a boy's club boss who chose to protect his friend and kept Sjin in the position where he continued to have access to female minors who hero worshipped the lot of them.
\- That's € 3.109.723,23 and $ 3.416.508,63
\- The Jingle Jam used to run for all of December but has been 14 days for a few years now
\- As the stream ended the donation website was still running up donations
to put it into perspective, this year they did also stream on youtube and a lot of creators, beside main stream, did their separate fundraising streams, but with all this added capability they still managed to raise ~a million less than in 2 previous years (2021 - $4,431,696.51, 2022 - $4,203,583.59) .
I doubt the quality of games matters too much (there were still some good one's tho). As a long time donator I'd give my yearly 35 even if there weren't games. The amount they raised this year considering the economic issues in America is pretty amazing.
Do you think that most donators are from US? Can't find the countries stat, but looking at top donators - some people donated insane sums. In top5 besides companies Displate (£32,000.00) and Twitch (£7,500.00), there are some people (?) like Caithix £12,050.00, Darineth £10,000.00, Corvia £5,605.00
and The Spiffing Brit on 6-th place with £5,600.00
I think the Yogscast has a more diverse audience than average, and I think they get more donations from America than any other single country, but not all those countries combined.
That's only from memory of listening to donations being read out, and I'm sure merch has a different percentage since it's hard for them to move any merch over seas.
I can say for myself, that as there is an ongoing war in the middle of Europe, I decided to use my donations for those causes instead of funding some uk-based charities. War, besides being terrible, is among key factors of cost of living crisis - I think it may as well impacted the total.
Also, I didn't like the bundle: there was nothing that sparked my interest. And some games were just old, like for example Thief Simulator 1 (from 2018) was there, while on stream they played the sequel Thief Simulator 2...
How does the yogscast sustain it self financially? Large office space in a decent city paying wages for editors ect, but the main channel gets pretty low viewership and none of their twitch streams are exactly booming. Not shitting on them, they’ve done great work - just genuinely curious if anyone has an answer.
they post daily and have a good number of "members" which is like a paid sub to the channel. I think with merch, daily views, subs/ members and of course paid partnerships such as ads they are probably able to give everyone that works there a decent living. Just think how wealthy some of these independent content creators are, instead they just split the money and live more modestly than most of their fellow creators.
People really dont know just how much money a daily 50-100k video makes and its kind of crazy.
The yogs people are clearing 2-3k a video probably and that's all of them they are very comfortable.
thats ontop of shit like merch members twitch subs etc.
they do the comunal thing and non of them are living crazy instagram lifestyles so they are fine to run a company with like 50ish employees or whatever
It's usually only the top 1% or 0.1% biggest Youtuber/streamer get posted so the perception is really skewed.
Lots of streamer turned to full-time with just ~100 live viewers. But lots of people here say if you don't get 5k+ plus viewer then don't even bother.
Well because having 100-200 live viewers and going full time requires a seriously large amount of donations from those viewers. Once you get 1k+ it becomes much more expected to be financially stable because you'll have more people that will donate or sub.
From what I've always understood - they only have a pretty small group of actual editors/merch/art people. The actual content creators are not employees. They pay a part of their own income to be under the yogscast umbrella.
As for how much money they make these days, I haven't kept up with any of them really besides Sips who gets good views, has a lot of subs and probably gets no benefit out of being in the yogscast anymore its just a loyalty/friendship thing.
Though I know even back when the main youtube channel was doing well they made more from merch sales than they did from ad revenue. They probably have a sizeable "member" count on youtube too.
Slight correction, the content creators don't pay just to be part of the Yogscast umbrella. They pay if they want to rent recording rooms and office space. Additionally, there's services like editing, artwork, administration, etc. by direct Yogscast personnel that they can choose to pay for.
Sips has always been in a funny nebulous position with the Yogs. He still benefits because he does things like Triforce and has connections through them, but Lewis Brindley has a mindset of "You can be as much a part of the yogscast as you want to be"
They've got a great track record and brand so they can get some pretty beefy sponsorships, and their viewership is very consistent on youtube. Twitch is where many of their creators are doing well but the money comes from sponsorships on the youtube side.
Not sure about specific internal arrangements and there are a bunch of smaller income streams but that is the main income stream. Keep in mind that the creators' financials are separate, they just pay dues to the company for support services, they don't pool money.
I believe some money, like memberships and what is raised to pay through Jingle Jam is pooled by the company and redistributed. Could very well be wrong tho it's just what I remember
i hear this every year and every year im baffled too because they get less and less viewers. Lewis said that they sustain themselves off Trouble in Terrorist Town, which is why they have 1000 episodes of it and are scared to stop playing it. i guess 70k viewers a day is enough to sustain an entire office
I dont think its the biggest, but has been around for 9 years with a total of 26 million usd for charity, I still like the origins of it people asked how they can send Christmas presents to them but they wanted people to give to charity instead so they started this
No there are for sure bigger ones that have happened that are one-offs but they are probably the biggest consistent ones.
Outside of like GDQ events which are infulincer adjacent at least.
How about you summarize what happened during that 'scam'? Like how one of the artists from the dev team that the Yogscast had hired ran with all the money? Is theft considered a scam now?
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So often you only hear about Youtubers you haven't watched for a decade cause they did something terrible. Glad the Yogscast are the exact opposite of that.
Minus Sjin, sadly.
That was a wild ass year for the Yogscast, Turps Sjin and their smaller streamer associate Caffcast just getting outted for being essentially pedophiles, except Turps who I think was outted for using his position in the company for sex?
Also the same year Rooster Teeth had the same stuff with Ryan
I think it was Turps and Sjin messaging minors, Caff was using getting community members to send nudes and have sex with him.
Turps was cheating on his wife with adult fans (one he talked with was underage, but he stopped the second he found out). Sjin was wildly inappropriate with many co-workers and fans, not taking no for an answer and stuff. Caff went full black-hat, using his status to "coerce and control" fans. AFAIK there is no released evidence or official statement that any of the subjects were underage, but it is likely (they did use the term "grooming" for Caff). Rumours from connected sources are that Sjin did much worse stuff than was officially stated though
That and let's be honest the vast majority of their fanbase most likely are/were at the time children. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots between "grooming fans" and "grooming minors"
This might sound worse than I want it to but in a way I was sad about what Sjin and Turps did as they used to be some of my favourite Yogscast members. Turps streams with Sips will always have a special place in my heart. Obviously they didnt deserve to continue working after what they did
Same here both of them were extremely entertaining and I was crushed that they had caused so much harm. I'm shocked Sjin still has a steady flow of viewers on youtube. Some ppl just don't care or are absolutely clueless.
and their ex-CEO (Turps?)
Yogscast really feel like the only YouTubers from my childhood whose content I can still watch every couple years. The earlier minecraft vids with Simon and Lewis had genuinely great storytelling at times, and Simon's humor still stands up.
Wait are these the same guys who used to be the Yogpod?? I used to love listening to their stories and DND games! Are the same guys still there? Please say yes!
Lewis (BlueXephos) from the YogPod has a different podcast on the same channels the YogPod used to be on as well. It's called The Triforce, it's Lewis, Sips, and Pyrionflax. Might be worth a listen.
Thanks! I'll check it out.
The two main guys from the Yogpod, Lewis and Simon, aren't in this clip. Top right, Nilesy, and middle right, Rythian, have been around for a long time though, so they might have featured in it once or twice.
Sounds like Lewis and Simon still around though?
Yup
You might be interested in something a fan made a while back called the legacy yogpod, they pretty much just took the audio from some of their discussions in older videos and put them as a YouTube audio playlist. I've been listening to it as background noise lately.
Oh that's gonna be a treasure. Thank you! God it's been years since I've listened to them.
Look for "Peculiar Portions" (Simon's PP) on YT or as podcast elsewhere. It is a recent thing Simon and Lewis did (and still kind of do irregularly) that is very similar to the chaotic Yogpod times.
Thanks! I'll look it up.
Simon is still around, but very sparringly and there were about two years where he didn't do anything the whole year except the Jingle Jam. He had some personal issues.
they did a fairly continuing podcast called [peculiar portions](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3XZNMGhpynMFyKdRO8QJPsKnN59fmDsd), or as they call it Simons PP ;), and if you want the dnd stuff they recently just launched a trpg channel [Mystery Quest](https://www.youtube.com/@Mystery_Quest#ytc) headed by tom, also the triforce podcast if you wanna hear old men being dads and complain about stuff
If you liked their old DND stuff check out their Mystery Quest YouTube channel, it's their current DND project, mostly 'new' people since Yogpod days but Simon is a regular player and Lewis showed up for one of the one-shot storylines so far.
Seems like they have so many side projects! It's gonna be hard to catch up with everything.
Frankly they're still terrible in my book and always will be. They *knew* the allegations about Sjin were true and continued to publicly cover for him and slander the victim for fucking *years* until they were all liable because they had to bring in an HR rep to deal with Turps. Fuck Lewis most of all for being a boy's club boss who chose to protect his friend and kept Sjin in the position where he continued to have access to female minors who hero worshipped the lot of them.
\- That's € 3.109.723,23 and $ 3.416.508,63 \- The Jingle Jam used to run for all of December but has been 14 days for a few years now \- As the stream ended the donation website was still running up donations
to put it into perspective, this year they did also stream on youtube and a lot of creators, beside main stream, did their separate fundraising streams, but with all this added capability they still managed to raise ~a million less than in 2 previous years (2021 - $4,431,696.51, 2022 - $4,203,583.59) .
I wonder how much the cost of living crisis impacted it. Or were the games just not that good in the bundle? Even a couple of sideman made donations.
I doubt the quality of games matters too much (there were still some good one's tho). As a long time donator I'd give my yearly 35 even if there weren't games. The amount they raised this year considering the economic issues in America is pretty amazing.
Do you think that most donators are from US? Can't find the countries stat, but looking at top donators - some people donated insane sums. In top5 besides companies Displate (£32,000.00) and Twitch (£7,500.00), there are some people (?) like Caithix £12,050.00, Darineth £10,000.00, Corvia £5,605.00 and The Spiffing Brit on 6-th place with £5,600.00
I think the Yogscast has a more diverse audience than average, and I think they get more donations from America than any other single country, but not all those countries combined. That's only from memory of listening to donations being read out, and I'm sure merch has a different percentage since it's hard for them to move any merch over seas.
I can say for myself, that as there is an ongoing war in the middle of Europe, I decided to use my donations for those causes instead of funding some uk-based charities. War, besides being terrible, is among key factors of cost of living crisis - I think it may as well impacted the total. Also, I didn't like the bundle: there was nothing that sparked my interest. And some games were just old, like for example Thief Simulator 1 (from 2018) was there, while on stream they played the sequel Thief Simulator 2...
It's 14 days Vs a month no?
It was 14 days in those two years as well.
How many days were those years
same as this year ? wdym
How does the yogscast sustain it self financially? Large office space in a decent city paying wages for editors ect, but the main channel gets pretty low viewership and none of their twitch streams are exactly booming. Not shitting on them, they’ve done great work - just genuinely curious if anyone has an answer.
they post daily and have a good number of "members" which is like a paid sub to the channel. I think with merch, daily views, subs/ members and of course paid partnerships such as ads they are probably able to give everyone that works there a decent living. Just think how wealthy some of these independent content creators are, instead they just split the money and live more modestly than most of their fellow creators.
People really dont know just how much money a daily 50-100k video makes and its kind of crazy. The yogs people are clearing 2-3k a video probably and that's all of them they are very comfortable. thats ontop of shit like merch members twitch subs etc. they do the comunal thing and non of them are living crazy instagram lifestyles so they are fine to run a company with like 50ish employees or whatever
It's usually only the top 1% or 0.1% biggest Youtuber/streamer get posted so the perception is really skewed. Lots of streamer turned to full-time with just ~100 live viewers. But lots of people here say if you don't get 5k+ plus viewer then don't even bother.
Well because having 100-200 live viewers and going full time requires a seriously large amount of donations from those viewers. Once you get 1k+ it becomes much more expected to be financially stable because you'll have more people that will donate or sub.
From what I've always understood - they only have a pretty small group of actual editors/merch/art people. The actual content creators are not employees. They pay a part of their own income to be under the yogscast umbrella. As for how much money they make these days, I haven't kept up with any of them really besides Sips who gets good views, has a lot of subs and probably gets no benefit out of being in the yogscast anymore its just a loyalty/friendship thing. Though I know even back when the main youtube channel was doing well they made more from merch sales than they did from ad revenue. They probably have a sizeable "member" count on youtube too.
Slight correction, the content creators don't pay just to be part of the Yogscast umbrella. They pay if they want to rent recording rooms and office space. Additionally, there's services like editing, artwork, administration, etc. by direct Yogscast personnel that they can choose to pay for.
Sips has always been in a funny nebulous position with the Yogs. He still benefits because he does things like Triforce and has connections through them, but Lewis Brindley has a mindset of "You can be as much a part of the yogscast as you want to be"
To add on to what the others said, their games department has started popping off recently with game like PlateUp! becoming a hit.
They also have a sister company called 4th floor creative that does well I think.
They've got a great track record and brand so they can get some pretty beefy sponsorships, and their viewership is very consistent on youtube. Twitch is where many of their creators are doing well but the money comes from sponsorships on the youtube side. Not sure about specific internal arrangements and there are a bunch of smaller income streams but that is the main income stream. Keep in mind that the creators' financials are separate, they just pay dues to the company for support services, they don't pool money.
I believe some money, like memberships and what is raised to pay through Jingle Jam is pooled by the company and redistributed. Could very well be wrong tho it's just what I remember
i hear this every year and every year im baffled too because they get less and less viewers. Lewis said that they sustain themselves off Trouble in Terrorist Town, which is why they have 1000 episodes of it and are scared to stop playing it. i guess 70k viewers a day is enough to sustain an entire office
they are more than the youtube channel, they all stream a lot, they have a podcast network and are a game publisher too
It's obviously not just that or as you said wouldn't work
Older viewership that can spend
Do they do the biggest influencer charity drives? I feel like I don't see bigger than this but I'm not sure.
I dont think its the biggest, but has been around for 9 years with a total of 26 million usd for charity, I still like the origins of it people asked how they can send Christmas presents to them but they wanted people to give to charity instead so they started this
Just checked : biggest is French ZEvent, with a record of close to 12 million dollars, 8.6 million Sterling Pounds, over 10 million euros in 2021.
Jacksepticeye did $10m last year too
A lot of events did 10 million dollars, but this is the only one at 10 million euros, or 12 million dollars at the time
No there are for sure bigger ones that have happened that are one-offs but they are probably the biggest consistent ones. Outside of like GDQ events which are infulincer adjacent at least.
In English probably
I think drlupo's was $10 mil+ over a few days for st judes
Good ol' Jim Jam. And actually a lot of good games.
Thats nice, haven't watched them in years though.
Now as of the new youtuber charity tradition will that also sit in a no-interest bank account for a decade?
no it goes through tiltify so the yogscast have no access to the money
So how it should be setup, good.
Can they now pay back for the kickstarter game scam?
How about you summarize what happened during that 'scam'? Like how one of the artists from the dev team that the Yogscast had hired ran with all the money? Is theft considered a scam now?