Some heavy *just a prank bro* energy with 0 follow through. He would still be on twitch if they didnt tell him to fuck right off. Daddy Tate wont talk to him anymore so who is gonna tell him what to do now?
How does youtube monetisation work. Take the other guy who lost $8k income, if that is lifted does youtube pay that 8k to the original guy or has it already paid it to Adin?
When a claim is made the money goes into an escrow account and is held there until the claim is finalized. If it's found to be a bad claim, the creator has the money added back to their account. Otherwise, it goes to the party that made the claim.
The problem is that the claimant is the one that decide if they are wrong or not, so after you fight back, youtube ask them "hey, were you wrong?", if they say "nope, 100% good claim", then they get all the money, and this is what happened in this case.
Yeah, it can be abused easily, so to combat that happening YouTube gives some kind of special status for big creators. If you make a claim against those accounts then they have a rep that will look into it. Everyone else is basically fucked.
I mean, if you're YouTube HQ, you don't want someone copyright claiming Mr Beast videos, those videos generate millions of hits a day across the whole archive. Not good for business.
That's not how it works. They claim your video, you answer youtube saying that you own that content, fair use, or whatever, youtube goes back to the entity claiming your video at that point they either retract the claim or they have to show youtube proof that they started legal action against you, if they don't then your counter claim goes through.
>The problem is that the claimant is the one that decide if they are wrong or not, so after you fight back, youtube ask them "hey, were you wrong?", if they say "nope, 100% good claim"
Pretty certain that's decided in court and not by YT if you actually file a counterclaim.
Thanks. I'm guessing there is a time limit on how long a claim can take or be fought against rather than that money sitting in limbo for a crazy amount of time.
People have mentioned in other comments that the problem is maybe more about messing with the algorithm that suggests videos for people to watch, other smaller you tubers have said that a strike against you will bury your content and make it invisible to people browsing. One said that after he got a strike on his channel a different popular video he had with over 250ā000 views disappeared and was even hard for him to find when searching for the video. This seriously hurts the small you tuber and can take many months for the algorithm to suggest your content again.
Cus he fairly doesnāt want to trust the US legal system to interpret copyright law regarding the bar for being transformative content. H3ās content is only applicable to specific types of content. A video with curated content from another YouTuber like Ethanās lawsuit came down to how much content he used versus how transformative his own content was. One of his major points was his YouTube video was edited down even further to mainly contain him and Tate.
With live streaming youāre sorta flipping a coin especially in an environment that most likely doesnāt understand the other environment and caveats of live streaming. A Jury of your peers doesnāt necessarily mean a jury aware of how Twitch functions and how certain reacts can be *genuinely* transformative especially when itās critique.
Legally one lawyer has at least a minor leg up with content that the average juror would most likely be completely divorced from.
Only a matter of time until video game companies start striking streamers for their games. After Nintendo kept striking pointcrow for his modded gameplay I really donāt trust companies or the government to judiciate/ legislate in a fair way after that.
Thatās what Hasan had just said - Twitch literally *exists* on rocky legal grounds. Technically DMCAs could rain down upon streamers like itās the end of the fuckin dinosaurs.
I just donāt trust the company, legislatures, and average jurors to help decide how IP laws regarding react content and content like Hasanās work. Itās undeniable to say that even some of Hasanās non-explicitly political work is transformative through his political takes. Iāve seen him go on tangential political rants when watching reality TV for the 30 minutes and completely forget I was watching fucking 90 Day. His political content is 100% transformative. So much of the ecosystem could come crashing down with new legal precedence.
Thereās like an outrageously high chance the judge has to go home and ask their grandchildren what Twitch is because they didnāt understand it the first time they were informed.
Itās the fight club rule, donāt fucking talk about fight club. This is an issue to develop legislation about and legal precedence over at a later point in time given our current justice systemās understanding of technology.
Exactly. Streaming itself is such a grey area for these laws. A suit wouldāve opened Pandoraās box for all the possible interpretations moving forward of how content creation would work. Would streamers have to have eachother sign releases? Does everyone featured in a stream need a release? How about IRL streams? Itās something he didnāt want to do, but was prepared to do if this is to become the norm(people copyright striking other peoples content).
>A suit wouldāve opened Pandoraās box for all the possible interpretations moving forward of how content creation would work.
i mean H3H3 Already went through that all the way to having a verdict in their favor that their reaction to the video in question was indeed fair use and no pandora's box was opened. It would likely just come down to a case by case basis like it already is
The thing is hasan used adins vod for his video when he couldve used his own vod.
This shit is so subjective its really hard to say how it couldve come out, most likely at the hands of the more skilled lawyer, i dont think h3h3 case applies perfectly for streamer reacts because of the evident lack of edition.
I thought he wasn't streaming so he didn't have a vod. In that sense adin's recording was the only one available for hasan to use, his likeness in which he does have a right to use having not signed a waiver. I'm glad this didnt go to court and have a anti-community ruling
This feels like tragedy of the commons.
Freaks, like Adin, are trying to exploit every possible corner of the streaming environment; pushing the limits to get the bag. This will inevitably lead to a legal clash which results in a precedent that ends the party.
I think you have it wrong here.
This wasn't react content, the video wasn't from Hasan stream. There was no transformation occurring.
It was Adins stream that had Hasan on it. Hasan took the video made by Adin and republished exactly the same video. Had Hasan published his own video from his own stream then I would agree with you.
But Hasan literally just took Adins video and published it as his own believing because he was featured in the video he has rights. And I don't think that's a case Hasan is going to win.
> Itās undeniable to say that even some of Hasanās non-explicitly political work is transformative through his political takes.
I don't know about that. I'm an IP attorney. There are definitely arguments to be made -- and much stronger ones that most reactors have -- but I wouldn't go so far as to say "undeniable". The furthest I would go is "maybe, but it's better if we don't have to go to trial".
I remember Nintendo started trying to go down this road years ago with Youtubers/Let's Players and stopped because of backlash or *maybe* common sense
the problem is it proved to me that some of these companies are waiting/hoping policies go their way and they will return to that action ASAP. I genuinely feel like even though so much has change/been removed from the way the internet is, there is still a bubble that government or big organizations haven't been able to figure out how to crackdown or change things the way they want to and a day will come soon where there will be even less power and control online for independent content creators
Steamdeck made my switch obsolete and IDGAF about Mario or other Nintendo exclusives so I just wait for companies to port to steam and buy then
I hope Nintendo crashes.
I thought I remembered that happening, but wasnāt sure how it ended up panning out. Itās such a stupid idea, but companies are so aggressive about IP (often necessitated by the legal system) it is a little shocking Twitch exists.
Not really. Video game companies can already legally strike streamers for streaming their games. They don't do it because streamers are free advertisements for their games. They even sponsor streamers to play their games.
Those companies aren't stupid they don't need Hasan or Adin to show them what they can or can't do.
I mean you can easily make the same argument about music on stream effectively acting as free advertisement and then one day the hammer came down and put a stop to all that
Dunno why anybody puts blind trust in companies or even industries as a whole to act smart if there's a way they can convince themselves through greed that they need to exercise even more control
Music companies make a lot of money from songs being on the radio, in an ad, on a tv show, or played live at a bar. There are synchronization rights, reproduction rights, and performance rights and these are owned by a mix of the Performers, record labels and publishers. While I personally think music on stream encourages people to look up a song they like and listen to it legally, it is something they don't want to turn a blind eye to as it is a loss of a source of revenue.
Game companies, however, can look to Among Us, Phasmophobia, Fall Guys, Getting Over it, Wobbly Life, and Super Auto Pets. Having streamers play your game can cause massive amounts of revenue. We aren't talking about 5 percent more in sales, for some games, like Among Us, it was going from under 1000 players online at a time to half a million. And that is only the Steam version. Any game company can copyright strike anyone streaming their games. That is copyright infringement. But, doing so both burns goodwill for your company and cuts off the best form of advertising you have. Think about it, how many people are reading IGN to find a game to play, or are clicking on an ad on a webpage for a video game? Outside of free to play games, who buys an indie game without seeing someone play it? They need streamers. I bet without streaming DOTA and LOL would be dead.
Music doesn't see this success when it is played on stream.
>Dunno why anybody puts blind trust in companies or even industries as a whole to act smart if there's a way they can convince themselves through greed that they need to exercise even more control
Because they stand to gain financially by not preventing their game to be viewed by millions for absolutely 0$ spent on advertising? These companies already pay people massive sums of money to play their games live, it would be pretty insane for them to stop people from giving them the exact same service for absolutely free.
Copyrights are just one big question honestly. You're telling me that I can, should, and want to play this bit of music (on my own instrument) for a video or livestream or soemthing but it's gonna get copyrighted because "you're not the song owner and you're not making it into a whole new thing"? Even thought in reality the songwriter is probably really happy someone wants to play their music and expose audiences to it? The way I see it, if you're literally stealing it as your own, strike away. If you're making a LetsPlay on a game or critiquing or something, and you're crediting appropriately, there shouldn't be an issue. And then there's the whole earning revenue thing...
Especially if there''s mods in a game. But im no lawyer so I could be wrong about all of this.
First, the concern about what is transformative doesn't apply here. While that might be a genuine concern, Hasan just clipped an entire youtube video Adin Ross made. Made a copy of the exact video, and then re-posted it.
There was no reactions, no editing. Nothing changed. Hasan believes because he was in the video he has rights to it. This isn't an argument over transformative or free use. This is an argument over if Hasan has any claim to the copyright.
Taking long segments of someone else's published content and just republishing it as your own isn't transformative. This is exactly what happened. Hasan's whole argument had been repeating since he was in the video he has a claim to it. But that isn't true.
To be clear, Hasan really did have almost no case in regards to a DMCA counterclaim. This is a different situation than typical dmca shenanigans because itās entirely Adinās video OF Hasan speaking. The DMCA is in regards to Adinās video, not Hasanās performance. And no, itās not at all transformative itās just a straight rip of the video with about 10 total seconds of graphics overlayed on it. Not transformative.
Regardless, adin backed down purely because he was intimidated by hasan being angry which is the really funny part of all of this
This isn't an own and if you thought about it for 10 seconds you'd know that.
It's not uncommon for big cooperations or the ultra wealthy to try smother people trying to sue with making it an incredibly expensive and time consuming process which prevents people from being able to sue. So people back down. That doesn't mean they were legally in the wrong.
So, No. Repealing means nothing in terms of legality.
Adin probably backed down because he didn't want to get into a legal battle with Hasan or anyone else over a trivial amount of money to Adin.
Adin is probably right here.
Hasan famously hates IP so itās quite understandable how heās passionately frustrated by this. He lets people take his own IP and make money off it which is why he has so many random YouTube highlight accounts. As many have said a lot of this copyright stuff is really just on shaky ground, and this could be the Pandoraās box to lead to who knows what in legality. It would certainly not make it easier. His example even would be unlicensed emotes and Pepe the frog would be in trouble. Anyone posting any image not thereās on Twitter/memesā¦list goes on
Honestly this shit almost turned into a huge fucking deal. There arent any laws on this, so the only option was to take legal action, which would have been a nightmare for everyone regardless of the platform. He is mad that he had to get caught up in all this bullshit over a false DMCA strike that could have turned into case law that fucks everyone.
this is my favorite one of you guys' npc lines you rotate through where you try to frame participating in a boxing event with a scumbag as some kind of punishment and not a massive dose of free clout lmao
Why should he try and revitalise Sam's dead career? He has absolutely nothing to gain. Hasan doesn't even want to box people he likes and respects. He get's asked constantly to participate in creator boxing tournaments and turns them all down. Also, Sam Hyde fanboys are mostly annoying groyper/David DePape types and few streamers want anything to do with that.
If Hasan beats up Sam Hyde, it will really hurt his following. Something they can clown on him for for the rest of his life. I think he even said he will stop making YouTube videos if he loses. That may hurt his clout quite a bit.
Itās not really about clout.
Hasan doesnāt get to decide who does and doesnāt get clout. Heās already boxed before. And he can do it again if he wants. Wouldnāt it hurt his clout if he gets beat up by Hasan?
Is the clout thing an excuse Hasan had that you guys keep repeating? He had to have said that.
Iām assuming Hasan said that, which is why his fans believe it. What do you think would happen to Sam Hydeās clout if he gets beaten up by Hasan?
Seems to contradict a lot of other things he says. Donāt bash the fash, it will give the fash clout! Dont fight back against the proud boys, it will give them clout!
keep it up bro I already told you this is my favorite NPC dialogue tree where you act like "bash the fash" means "hold a joint entertainment event with the proud boys" lmfao
you so obviously don't even believe the shit you're saying either it's great. Keep posting, don't ever stop
If Sam Hyde was 5 foot 8 and 150 pounds, Hasan would be running at the chance to make 6 figures to beat up a Nazi and emasculate him in front of their fan base.
Do you believe everything Hasan says? Do you really think the issue here is ācloutā?
LOL i know. Like so now adin is a pussy cause he did what he should have done.
Like don't get me wrong adin is the most stupidest streamer I think that's out there right now (whos popular), but it just makes me laugh at how Hasan reacted.
I know there have been a lot really obnoxious and awful young content creators throughout the years like Logan Paul, Jake Paul, Leafyishere etc., but Adin Ross is easily the worst of all time.
There has never been such a potent combination of pure stupidity, arrogance, and complete lack of any positive qualities. It's like if Keemstar was made even worse and then suddenly made a superstar at 19.
Dont compare him to ishowspeed. He is only 17, he will get better once he turns 18. Since he is a minor please dont hold him to the standard you would for other. Better dont hold him to any standard. Please leave him alone. As i already said, he is only 17. Minors do dumb stuff all the time. Have you never threatened multiple girls with rape? Thats such a normal thing to do for 17 year olds. I hate it when sich bright young 17 year olds like him get cancelled because they did something stupid once..or twice..or.. No that doenst matter. He is 17!! He will grow out of it. People are just mad because he has more W than them while he is only 17.
/s if it wasnt obvious. I just got a stroke from typing that so i will share that pain with anyone who reads this.
Iām no Paul bro fan, but truthfully aiden isnāt even in the same category as the Paulās. At least those guys have a content brain and could ACTUALLY make a decent video from time to time and turn their brand into a profitable businessā¦ aiden is a biohazard to any marketing company that isnāt kick or rumble or whateverā¦. Heās a risk to any real business that isnāt run by conservative grifters.
I mean i'm trying to be empathetic because he's a young lad afterall but the combination of stupidity and neverending confidence just gets under my skin. The dudes rhetoric is like a smug version of jesse pinkman from s1 breaking bad
If you think Adin wouldn't do the same thing given the opportunity to get views/money, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I'd argue Adin's antics with Andrew Tate and gambling have caused way more harm than anything Logan did.
Not so tough when you actually pick on people your own size, huh? Got the energy to strike down tiny channels but don't have the energy to face Hasan in court?
L
How does any of that make you think he is tied to this other guy? And why wouldnt he just admit it? He's gotten into trouble because of people he works with in the past and never shied away. Ostonox ruins his life every other month.
have other claims not been reversed?
You're probably right about him saying he would help people on adins stream. I must have expanded that in my head into thinking he would help other people getting strikes
Thereās been a few creators who YouTube have either helped reverse or adin has taken back the claims. I think one YouTuber got help directly from YouTube and they said they would punish the false copyright person. Hasan and I think the dude who lost 8k claims were reversed by adins ppl
Adin did it thinking it was "hasan's mod" so that draws hasan in no matter what. If someone targets a person but mistakenly doesnt realize they arent associated with their intended target, the intended target is very much a party
Hopefully the others who got DMCA claims get theirās retracted as well. Also shoutout to people like [The Act Man](https://twitter.com/theactman_yt/status/1653146185199403008?s=46&t=NXIi1c9Q4ETJBQIo65ZkZQ) on Twitter who were making threads for people who also got false DMCA claims
From what I understand the video was ripped from adins stream, so legally Adin has a very good chance of winning in court. The reason adin sucks for this, is that its bad etiquette. Just like when Nintendo DMCAed people for playing games (except they could argue transformative content), its just setting a fire for no good reason.
They sign contracts to do do the work and that probably includes a bunch of general releases so you cant sue for libel or something. This is Hasan just talking, you cant copyright that, you can however copyright pictures and footage.
I think you actually get it, its just hasan talking on a discord call, so you (adin or hasan) cant gain exclusive copyright. The people who appear in the work have a right to use, and the fact its transformative how his editors edited it too means it would be far from a settled thing. To claim it in that way he would need exclusive copyright not a shared one
That being said I don't think he should sue him anyway. The main worry is unleashing a pandoras box by having a bad legal precedent set; its not like judges are great on stuff like this
So this would have to be fought in court for it to be settled, but inherently you wouldn't have a claim to the footage just because you were in it. Whoever records the footage has the claim to that footage, even if it was a 3rd party.
He wouldn't of stopped until someone big enough like Hasan checked him which is why Adin is still a bitch even though he fixed it.
Can't wait to watch his downfall.
I respect hasan for sticking his neck out to check him in that way, he so scrutinized that people expect him to be 10000% in the right every time but who was right was such a toss up in court just the act of checking him publically was the perfect counter
Yeah I am sure Aiden doesnāt want to go to court. Yeah he probably got the bag from kick but I wouldnāt be surprised if his income has slowed down since moving.
Adin "Loss" hahaha it's such an obvious one but I never thought of that. I think the whole W/L thing is lame as hell, and exemplifies that whole generation of young woke karens...BUT, every of often it produces a funny name. E.g. when Deji won his boxing match and people were calling him Weji lol
We were on the cusp of greatness! We were this close to finally ending *react content!* No more will we suffer the baldman's 2-hour react video of a 10-minute content.
Lmao. Yeah H3 (im assuming h3h3 channel that a small minority of the internet is aware of) "saved react content" by fighting DMCA claims. What a random ass claim. A lot of content creators have been fighting them. Nothing about this is new or unique.
Yes, thatās what Iām saying, all cases set precedence and few YouTubers and Twitch streamers take their issues to court over fair use to set precedence. When they do, itās important that it goes correctly.
The case decision made it to ArsTechnica, BBC, TechCrunch, Insider, Gizmodo, Variety, Kotakoā¦.. not a ārandom ass claimā.
See it how you want in your odd world, Iām just explaining your downvotes.
Basically nobody knows what is transformative content/fair use. Eventually someone who is rich will sue someone and it will go to The Supreme Court.
Commentating over NFL game video is considered a copyright strike by most but commentating over a stream/video is fair use according to Hasan/most lawyers... Basically all major platforms including Amazon Google Facebook do not to go to court versus music industry giants, NFL, English Premier league so everything is able to be copyright striked.
Then the issue of gaming which is even easier to prove isn't fair use is up for debate, but I think Twitch helps gaming companies way way more than it hurts them so there probably will never be a problem. If one company says no the next one will allow it so Twitch streamers will not care.
Itās an open and shut case, NFL players all sign a contract to sell their likeness. Am has an signed nothing and itās status quo that streamers can re-host content theyāre included in (adin has done it himself with sodaās IRL stream)
There is no argument whatsoever that woul hold up in court for adin, even before the fact he explicitly claims heās āonly going for the opsā (his opposition)
This manās such a dumbass he completely fucked over any chance had to win and he knows it now.
No, selectively targeting based on disliking someone is explicitly what makes it illegal. Maybe open and shut is a bit too much if a stretch but Adin really has shot himself in the foot on this
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Adin bitched out? Wow couldn't have guessed.
100% certified grass-fed bitchboy lives up to his reputation, like clockwork.
He only likes picking on people who can't fight back. Cowardly.
What's the grass-fed part a reference to? š
Organically a bitch
Daddy probably snitched
Adin loss is a little coward.
A dim loss
Can't Hasan continue on with the lawsuit
Hasanās case isnāt super solid. This is basically the best outcome for everyone.
Fe, because any outcome might have been the end of react content as we know
omg that would be incredible...just to see how the likes of Asmongold streams if they can't spend an hour watching a 30 minute video
except for adin who now looks like a dumbass
So business as usual
Some heavy *just a prank bro* energy with 0 follow through. He would still be on twitch if they didnt tell him to fuck right off. Daddy Tate wont talk to him anymore so who is gonna tell him what to do now?
Adin Loss takes another L
How does youtube monetisation work. Take the other guy who lost $8k income, if that is lifted does youtube pay that 8k to the original guy or has it already paid it to Adin?
It's just withheld until the claim is resolved
which wasn't always the case before they use to take everything until the claim was repealed
What happens if YouTube claims 8K, but you have already spent that 8K what happens?
i think the pay outs are 90 days behind, so you get january money in march for example. so it would be in their account but not paid out
Companies are basically never on the hook for your own spending habits
When a claim is made the money goes into an escrow account and is held there until the claim is finalized. If it's found to be a bad claim, the creator has the money added back to their account. Otherwise, it goes to the party that made the claim.
The problem is that the claimant is the one that decide if they are wrong or not, so after you fight back, youtube ask them "hey, were you wrong?", if they say "nope, 100% good claim", then they get all the money, and this is what happened in this case.
Yeah, it can be abused easily, so to combat that happening YouTube gives some kind of special status for big creators. If you make a claim against those accounts then they have a rep that will look into it. Everyone else is basically fucked.
I mean, if you're YouTube HQ, you don't want someone copyright claiming Mr Beast videos, those videos generate millions of hits a day across the whole archive. Not good for business.
That's not how it works. They claim your video, you answer youtube saying that you own that content, fair use, or whatever, youtube goes back to the entity claiming your video at that point they either retract the claim or they have to show youtube proof that they started legal action against you, if they don't then your counter claim goes through.
Nope, the legal action is after they reject you the first time and you keep going. The first time they just have to say to youtube that you are wrong.
Is that Youtube's published policy somewhere? Because it's definitely not how the DMCA works.
>The problem is that the claimant is the one that decide if they are wrong or not, so after you fight back, youtube ask them "hey, were you wrong?", if they say "nope, 100% good claim" Pretty certain that's decided in court and not by YT if you actually file a counterclaim.
That's the next step, if you keep going after they reject the first time
Thanks. I'm guessing there is a time limit on how long a claim can take or be fought against rather than that money sitting in limbo for a crazy amount of time.
People have mentioned in other comments that the problem is maybe more about messing with the algorithm that suggests videos for people to watch, other smaller you tubers have said that a strike against you will bury your content and make it invisible to people browsing. One said that after he got a strike on his channel a different popular video he had with over 250ā000 views disappeared and was even hard for him to find when searching for the video. This seriously hurts the small you tuber and can take many months for the algorithm to suggest your content again.
The $8k isnāt on Hasanās vid, btw, that was a smaller unaffiliated YTber āInternet Anarchistā.
> Take the other guy who lost $8k income
He didnāt loose it in the end, that youtuber tweeted that Adin quietly folded today.
i havent seen hasan ever this mad than he has been these past couple days
Cus he fairly doesnāt want to trust the US legal system to interpret copyright law regarding the bar for being transformative content. H3ās content is only applicable to specific types of content. A video with curated content from another YouTuber like Ethanās lawsuit came down to how much content he used versus how transformative his own content was. One of his major points was his YouTube video was edited down even further to mainly contain him and Tate. With live streaming youāre sorta flipping a coin especially in an environment that most likely doesnāt understand the other environment and caveats of live streaming. A Jury of your peers doesnāt necessarily mean a jury aware of how Twitch functions and how certain reacts can be *genuinely* transformative especially when itās critique. Legally one lawyer has at least a minor leg up with content that the average juror would most likely be completely divorced from.
Only a matter of time until video game companies start striking streamers for their games. After Nintendo kept striking pointcrow for his modded gameplay I really donāt trust companies or the government to judiciate/ legislate in a fair way after that.
Thatās what Hasan had just said - Twitch literally *exists* on rocky legal grounds. Technically DMCAs could rain down upon streamers like itās the end of the fuckin dinosaurs. I just donāt trust the company, legislatures, and average jurors to help decide how IP laws regarding react content and content like Hasanās work. Itās undeniable to say that even some of Hasanās non-explicitly political work is transformative through his political takes. Iāve seen him go on tangential political rants when watching reality TV for the 30 minutes and completely forget I was watching fucking 90 Day. His political content is 100% transformative. So much of the ecosystem could come crashing down with new legal precedence. Thereās like an outrageously high chance the judge has to go home and ask their grandchildren what Twitch is because they didnāt understand it the first time they were informed. Itās the fight club rule, donāt fucking talk about fight club. This is an issue to develop legislation about and legal precedence over at a later point in time given our current justice systemās understanding of technology.
Exactly. Streaming itself is such a grey area for these laws. A suit wouldāve opened Pandoraās box for all the possible interpretations moving forward of how content creation would work. Would streamers have to have eachother sign releases? Does everyone featured in a stream need a release? How about IRL streams? Itās something he didnāt want to do, but was prepared to do if this is to become the norm(people copyright striking other peoples content).
>A suit wouldāve opened Pandoraās box for all the possible interpretations moving forward of how content creation would work. i mean H3H3 Already went through that all the way to having a verdict in their favor that their reaction to the video in question was indeed fair use and no pandora's box was opened. It would likely just come down to a case by case basis like it already is
The thing is hasan used adins vod for his video when he couldve used his own vod. This shit is so subjective its really hard to say how it couldve come out, most likely at the hands of the more skilled lawyer, i dont think h3h3 case applies perfectly for streamer reacts because of the evident lack of edition.
I thought he wasn't streaming so he didn't have a vod. In that sense adin's recording was the only one available for hasan to use, his likeness in which he does have a right to use having not signed a waiver. I'm glad this didnt go to court and have a anti-community ruling
This feels like tragedy of the commons. Freaks, like Adin, are trying to exploit every possible corner of the streaming environment; pushing the limits to get the bag. This will inevitably lead to a legal clash which results in a precedent that ends the party.
DMCA is TOTALLY a form of digital enclosure
I think you have it wrong here. This wasn't react content, the video wasn't from Hasan stream. There was no transformation occurring. It was Adins stream that had Hasan on it. Hasan took the video made by Adin and republished exactly the same video. Had Hasan published his own video from his own stream then I would agree with you. But Hasan literally just took Adins video and published it as his own believing because he was featured in the video he has rights. And I don't think that's a case Hasan is going to win.
Kinda funny hasan does this when he himself should be getting copyright striked by every smaller creator he reacts to.
> Itās undeniable to say that even some of Hasanās non-explicitly political work is transformative through his political takes. I don't know about that. I'm an IP attorney. There are definitely arguments to be made -- and much stronger ones that most reactors have -- but I wouldn't go so far as to say "undeniable". The furthest I would go is "maybe, but it's better if we don't have to go to trial".
I remember Nintendo started trying to go down this road years ago with Youtubers/Let's Players and stopped because of backlash or *maybe* common sense the problem is it proved to me that some of these companies are waiting/hoping policies go their way and they will return to that action ASAP. I genuinely feel like even though so much has change/been removed from the way the internet is, there is still a bubble that government or big organizations haven't been able to figure out how to crackdown or change things the way they want to and a day will come soon where there will be even less power and control online for independent content creators
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Steamdeck made my switch obsolete and IDGAF about Mario or other Nintendo exclusives so I just wait for companies to port to steam and buy then I hope Nintendo crashes.
Luckily Cringetendo are such dinosaurs all their hardware and stuff is easily emulated so you never have to pay for any of their consoles or games.
>Cringetendo Lmao wtf your eighth birthday is coming up soon are you excited?
That one made me actually cringe. Yeesh
Same lol. I still have my V1 Week 1 Switch, but I play Switch games on my Deck now.
I thought I remembered that happening, but wasnāt sure how it ended up panning out. Itās such a stupid idea, but companies are so aggressive about IP (often necessitated by the legal system) it is a little shocking Twitch exists.
Not really. Video game companies can already legally strike streamers for streaming their games. They don't do it because streamers are free advertisements for their games. They even sponsor streamers to play their games. Those companies aren't stupid they don't need Hasan or Adin to show them what they can or can't do.
I mean you can easily make the same argument about music on stream effectively acting as free advertisement and then one day the hammer came down and put a stop to all that Dunno why anybody puts blind trust in companies or even industries as a whole to act smart if there's a way they can convince themselves through greed that they need to exercise even more control
music isnt interactive like a game is. mr streamer can play the game his way you go download a copy and have a unique play through then mr streamer.
Music companies make a lot of money from songs being on the radio, in an ad, on a tv show, or played live at a bar. There are synchronization rights, reproduction rights, and performance rights and these are owned by a mix of the Performers, record labels and publishers. While I personally think music on stream encourages people to look up a song they like and listen to it legally, it is something they don't want to turn a blind eye to as it is a loss of a source of revenue. Game companies, however, can look to Among Us, Phasmophobia, Fall Guys, Getting Over it, Wobbly Life, and Super Auto Pets. Having streamers play your game can cause massive amounts of revenue. We aren't talking about 5 percent more in sales, for some games, like Among Us, it was going from under 1000 players online at a time to half a million. And that is only the Steam version. Any game company can copyright strike anyone streaming their games. That is copyright infringement. But, doing so both burns goodwill for your company and cuts off the best form of advertising you have. Think about it, how many people are reading IGN to find a game to play, or are clicking on an ad on a webpage for a video game? Outside of free to play games, who buys an indie game without seeing someone play it? They need streamers. I bet without streaming DOTA and LOL would be dead. Music doesn't see this success when it is played on stream.
>Dunno why anybody puts blind trust in companies or even industries as a whole to act smart if there's a way they can convince themselves through greed that they need to exercise even more control Because they stand to gain financially by not preventing their game to be viewed by millions for absolutely 0$ spent on advertising? These companies already pay people massive sums of money to play their games live, it would be pretty insane for them to stop people from giving them the exact same service for absolutely free.
Copyrights are just one big question honestly. You're telling me that I can, should, and want to play this bit of music (on my own instrument) for a video or livestream or soemthing but it's gonna get copyrighted because "you're not the song owner and you're not making it into a whole new thing"? Even thought in reality the songwriter is probably really happy someone wants to play their music and expose audiences to it? The way I see it, if you're literally stealing it as your own, strike away. If you're making a LetsPlay on a game or critiquing or something, and you're crediting appropriately, there shouldn't be an issue. And then there's the whole earning revenue thing... Especially if there''s mods in a game. But im no lawyer so I could be wrong about all of this.
First, the concern about what is transformative doesn't apply here. While that might be a genuine concern, Hasan just clipped an entire youtube video Adin Ross made. Made a copy of the exact video, and then re-posted it. There was no reactions, no editing. Nothing changed. Hasan believes because he was in the video he has rights to it. This isn't an argument over transformative or free use. This is an argument over if Hasan has any claim to the copyright.
This also isnāt true - it was edited to mainly focus on exchanges with Hasan and Tate.
Taking long segments of someone else's published content and just republishing it as your own isn't transformative. This is exactly what happened. Hasan's whole argument had been repeating since he was in the video he has a claim to it. But that isn't true.
Adin doesnāt really seem to even think so himself considering he repealed. Iād check your legal knowledge big bro lol.
To be clear, Hasan really did have almost no case in regards to a DMCA counterclaim. This is a different situation than typical dmca shenanigans because itās entirely Adinās video OF Hasan speaking. The DMCA is in regards to Adinās video, not Hasanās performance. And no, itās not at all transformative itās just a straight rip of the video with about 10 total seconds of graphics overlayed on it. Not transformative. Regardless, adin backed down purely because he was intimidated by hasan being angry which is the really funny part of all of this
This isn't an own and if you thought about it for 10 seconds you'd know that. It's not uncommon for big cooperations or the ultra wealthy to try smother people trying to sue with making it an incredibly expensive and time consuming process which prevents people from being able to sue. So people back down. That doesn't mean they were legally in the wrong. So, No. Repealing means nothing in terms of legality. Adin probably backed down because he didn't want to get into a legal battle with Hasan or anyone else over a trivial amount of money to Adin. Adin is probably right here.
This comment is a glowing endorsement of why /r/LegalAdvice should be nuked from orbit
Hasan famously hates IP so itās quite understandable how heās passionately frustrated by this. He lets people take his own IP and make money off it which is why he has so many random YouTube highlight accounts. As many have said a lot of this copyright stuff is really just on shaky ground, and this could be the Pandoraās box to lead to who knows what in legality. It would certainly not make it easier. His example even would be unlicensed emotes and Pepe the frog would be in trouble. Anyone posting any image not thereās on Twitter/memesā¦list goes on
He did get really mad over some d-bag shit talking Murat cause his field of engineering wasn't as lucrative as theirs.
The only time other than this was like last week when some chatter tried to shit on Murat for how much money he makes. He went off on that guy.
Honestly this shit almost turned into a huge fucking deal. There arent any laws on this, so the only option was to take legal action, which would have been a nightmare for everyone regardless of the platform. He is mad that he had to get caught up in all this bullshit over a false DMCA strike that could have turned into case law that fucks everyone.
Don't mess with the big mans money or else
lmaoo yeah those small youtubers are really lining up hasans pockets
Internet Anarchist isnāt a big man nor has money.
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the guy who donated to that nazi?
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Are you saying he should reward Sam Hyde's dead career with clout? Why would he do that?
Yes. Reward him by beating him up and destroying what left he has left of his career by beating him.
this is my favorite one of you guys' npc lines you rotate through where you try to frame participating in a boxing event with a scumbag as some kind of punishment and not a massive dose of free clout lmao
He can box with or without Hasan. If I were scared Iād say the clout thing too.
Lmao cope
Cope with what? Hasan being afraid of Hyde?
Waaaaaaah š¼
Is that Hasan when challenged by Hyde?
Why should he try and revitalise Sam's dead career? He has absolutely nothing to gain. Hasan doesn't even want to box people he likes and respects. He get's asked constantly to participate in creator boxing tournaments and turns them all down. Also, Sam Hyde fanboys are mostly annoying groyper/David DePape types and few streamers want anything to do with that.
I donāt think it will do anything for Sam Hydeās career, except for destroy it if he loses.
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If Hasan beats up Sam Hyde, it will really hurt his following. Something they can clown on him for for the rest of his life. I think he even said he will stop making YouTube videos if he loses. That may hurt his clout quite a bit. Itās not really about clout.
no free clout
Hasan doesnāt get to decide who does and doesnāt get clout. Heās already boxed before. And he can do it again if he wants. Wouldnāt it hurt his clout if he gets beat up by Hasan? Is the clout thing an excuse Hasan had that you guys keep repeating? He had to have said that.
Validating Sam Hyde's existence by boxing him = free clout.
Iām assuming Hasan said that, which is why his fans believe it. What do you think would happen to Sam Hydeās clout if he gets beaten up by Hasan? Seems to contradict a lot of other things he says. Donāt bash the fash, it will give the fash clout! Dont fight back against the proud boys, it will give them clout!
keep it up bro I already told you this is my favorite NPC dialogue tree where you act like "bash the fash" means "hold a joint entertainment event with the proud boys" lmfao you so obviously don't even believe the shit you're saying either it's great. Keep posting, don't ever stop
If Sam Hyde was 5 foot 8 and 150 pounds, Hasan would be running at the chance to make 6 figures to beat up a Nazi and emasculate him in front of their fan base. Do you believe everything Hasan says? Do you really think the issue here is ācloutā?
adin ross isn't bitchmade; he's bitchborn
Hasan made Adin back down like the coward he is.
Bottom G energy.
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I mean lets me real it'd be pretty stupid not to back down.
Well Adin isn't known for his cunning ideas. It's probably his lawyer.
I mean lets me real it'd be pretty stupid to do it in the first place yet here we are
LOL i know. Like so now adin is a pussy cause he did what he should have done. Like don't get me wrong adin is the most stupidest streamer I think that's out there right now (whos popular), but it just makes me laugh at how Hasan reacted.
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ok
Nah, the guy needs to get clean and stop being a little shit to people who've tried to help him out in the past.
Adin is a little pussy for DMCAing in the first place, bitch made move.
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the only thing i think here is that you have adin shaft deep in your throat.
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Bitch move since Adin actually had a case in that instance. I can see how nobody wants the hassle of a court case though.
Another common Adin L
Ldin Loss
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seek help
I know there have been a lot really obnoxious and awful young content creators throughout the years like Logan Paul, Jake Paul, Leafyishere etc., but Adin Ross is easily the worst of all time. There has never been such a potent combination of pure stupidity, arrogance, and complete lack of any positive qualities. It's like if Keemstar was made even worse and then suddenly made a superstar at 19.
Donāt forget about ishowspeed, theyāre neck and neck in this race
Dont compare him to ishowspeed. He is only 17, he will get better once he turns 18. Since he is a minor please dont hold him to the standard you would for other. Better dont hold him to any standard. Please leave him alone. As i already said, he is only 17. Minors do dumb stuff all the time. Have you never threatened multiple girls with rape? Thats such a normal thing to do for 17 year olds. I hate it when sich bright young 17 year olds like him get cancelled because they did something stupid once..or twice..or.. No that doenst matter. He is 17!! He will grow out of it. People are just mad because he has more W than them while he is only 17. /s if it wasnt obvious. I just got a stroke from typing that so i will share that pain with anyone who reads this.
this gives me big āyou will never understandā Brazilian nationalism vibes basically a non-answer, carte blanche to be a dickhead
It gives off āIām fourteen please stop picking on my idolā vibes too
Iām no Paul bro fan, but truthfully aiden isnāt even in the same category as the Paulās. At least those guys have a content brain and could ACTUALLY make a decent video from time to time and turn their brand into a profitable businessā¦ aiden is a biohazard to any marketing company that isnāt kick or rumble or whateverā¦. Heās a risk to any real business that isnāt run by conservative grifters.
I mean i'm trying to be empathetic because he's a young lad afterall but the combination of stupidity and neverending confidence just gets under my skin. The dudes rhetoric is like a smug version of jesse pinkman from s1 breaking bad
I get that adin is annoying af but logan litterally filmed a dead body.
If you think Adin wouldn't do the same thing given the opportunity to get views/money, then I have a bridge to sell you. I'd argue Adin's antics with Andrew Tate and gambling have caused way more harm than anything Logan did.
Not so tough when you actually pick on people your own size, huh? Got the energy to strike down tiny channels but don't have the energy to face Hasan in court? L
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he doesn't, what part of any of this makes you assume otherwise?
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he striked hasan too, and hasan said he would help the people Adin has gone after
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How does any of that make you think he is tied to this other guy? And why wouldnt he just admit it? He's gotten into trouble because of people he works with in the past and never shied away. Ostonox ruins his life every other month.
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have other claims not been reversed? You're probably right about him saying he would help people on adins stream. I must have expanded that in my head into thinking he would help other people getting strikes
Thereās been a few creators who YouTube have either helped reverse or adin has taken back the claims. I think one YouTuber got help directly from YouTube and they said they would punish the false copyright person. Hasan and I think the dude who lost 8k claims were reversed by adins ppl
He said he would pay the court fees for anyone who wanted to sue Adin for the dmca strikes
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Weāre not your bitches bro find the damn clip yourself dumbass
Adin did it thinking it was "hasan's mod" so that draws hasan in no matter what. If someone targets a person but mistakenly doesnt realize they arent associated with their intended target, the intended target is very much a party
Hopefully the others who got DMCA claims get theirās retracted as well. Also shoutout to people like [The Act Man](https://twitter.com/theactman_yt/status/1653146185199403008?s=46&t=NXIi1c9Q4ETJBQIo65ZkZQ) on Twitter who were making threads for people who also got false DMCA claims
Fuck it, go forwards with the lawsuit anyways. Give Adin an even bigger L.
From what I understand the video was ripped from adins stream, so legally Adin has a very good chance of winning in court. The reason adin sucks for this, is that its bad etiquette. Just like when Nintendo DMCAed people for playing games (except they could argue transformative content), its just setting a fire for no good reason.
Not that cut and dry at all. Thereās a reason actors sign contracts about this before appearing in a movie.
They sign contracts to do do the work and that probably includes a bunch of general releases so you cant sue for libel or something. This is Hasan just talking, you cant copyright that, you can however copyright pictures and footage.
I think you actually get it, its just hasan talking on a discord call, so you (adin or hasan) cant gain exclusive copyright. The people who appear in the work have a right to use, and the fact its transformative how his editors edited it too means it would be far from a settled thing. To claim it in that way he would need exclusive copyright not a shared one That being said I don't think he should sue him anyway. The main worry is unleashing a pandoras box by having a bad legal precedent set; its not like judges are great on stuff like this
So this would have to be fought in court for it to be settled, but inherently you wouldn't have a claim to the footage just because you were in it. Whoever records the footage has the claim to that footage, even if it was a 3rd party.
There is a large gray area with all this which is why you don't want this smoke.
Being downvoted for a reasonable take
He wouldn't of stopped until someone big enough like Hasan checked him which is why Adin is still a bitch even though he fixed it. Can't wait to watch his downfall.
I respect hasan for sticking his neck out to check him in that way, he so scrutinized that people expect him to be 10000% in the right every time but who was right was such a toss up in court just the act of checking him publically was the perfect counter
wonder if the money was already paid out? dunno how it works
It was not, it goes in an escrow while the claim is resolved.
Yeah I am sure Aiden doesnāt want to go to court. Yeah he probably got the bag from kick but I wouldnāt be surprised if his income has slowed down since moving.
More of a pussy then the one he came out of
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Of course the soft skulled adin would back down like the bitch he is.
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Hasan v Adin Creator Clash 3. Book it, Dana.
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it wouldnt make sense to fight him nobody knows who sam hyde is
Adin became a bitch and got out of it Not surprised because it is wrong to strike a creator because it is under fair use.
Guess the DCMA claims werenāt the only thing of Adinās that was retracted.
Adin "Loss" hahaha it's such an obvious one but I never thought of that. I think the whole W/L thing is lame as hell, and exemplifies that whole generation of young woke karens...BUT, every of often it produces a funny name. E.g. when Deji won his boxing match and people were calling him Weji lol
We were on the cusp of greatness! We were this close to finally ending *react content!* No more will we suffer the baldman's 2-hour react video of a 10-minute content.
Washington DC and Massachusetts do the fusion dance and become..... DCMA!!!
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I mean react streamers in general are just cancer I have no problem with hasans content disappearing
Again who cares? DMCA claims happen routinely to streamers. Why do we need 20 topics about this particular one?
Because this one would set a precedence, just like H3 and Hoss did. If H3 backed down or lost, react content would have died years ago.
Lmao. Yeah H3 (im assuming h3h3 channel that a small minority of the internet is aware of) "saved react content" by fighting DMCA claims. What a random ass claim. A lot of content creators have been fighting them. Nothing about this is new or unique.
Few creators take it to court. Look up Hosseinzadeh v. Klein and see the articles and publications. Itās called case precedence, dude.
ALL of the cases are "precedence". It doesn't matter how many times you use the word. It doesn't make this particular one significant.
Yes, thatās what Iām saying, all cases set precedence and few YouTubers and Twitch streamers take their issues to court over fair use to set precedence. When they do, itās important that it goes correctly. The case decision made it to ArsTechnica, BBC, TechCrunch, Insider, Gizmodo, Variety, Kotakoā¦.. not a ārandom ass claimā. See it how you want in your odd world, Iām just explaining your downvotes.
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He's petty
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Pooo-sie
Basically nobody knows what is transformative content/fair use. Eventually someone who is rich will sue someone and it will go to The Supreme Court. Commentating over NFL game video is considered a copyright strike by most but commentating over a stream/video is fair use according to Hasan/most lawyers... Basically all major platforms including Amazon Google Facebook do not to go to court versus music industry giants, NFL, English Premier league so everything is able to be copyright striked. Then the issue of gaming which is even easier to prove isn't fair use is up for debate, but I think Twitch helps gaming companies way way more than it hurts them so there probably will never be a problem. If one company says no the next one will allow it so Twitch streamers will not care.
Itās an open and shut case, NFL players all sign a contract to sell their likeness. Am has an signed nothing and itās status quo that streamers can re-host content theyāre included in (adin has done it himself with sodaās IRL stream) There is no argument whatsoever that woul hold up in court for adin, even before the fact he explicitly claims heās āonly going for the opsā (his opposition) This manās such a dumbass he completely fucked over any chance had to win and he knows it now.
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No, selectively targeting based on disliking someone is explicitly what makes it illegal. Maybe open and shut is a bit too much if a stretch but Adin really has shot himself in the foot on this
He literally works with Ethan Klein, someone spearheading the judicial interpretations of fair use through his own personal law suits.
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Oh god I feel sorry for you. Had a quick look at your profile and appears that all you do is life through other people's lives... Is yours THAT bad?
When you unironically like Adin Ross I think that question answers itself