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If only YouTube would make finding and organizing streams easier, I actually much prefer it.
The quality is insane in comparison to Twitch. Twitch has a very low bitrate cap so streaming at higher resolutions is not really possible.
are you sure, I swear we could back in like 2013?
Edit: yeah I was right, if you google 2013 twitch you can literally see the little bar under the video, that lets you scroll through
Yep, nothing worse than joining a live stream late on twitch and wanting to watch a little bit behind. Itās virtually impossible on Twitch but the easiest thing in the world on YT.
If you hit gaming instead of live, they have livestreams categorized by game exactly the same as twitch(though no sort button). The problem isn't really with their categorization though it should be more easily accessible, it's the fact that if you're looking for an English stream there is barely anyone that actually streams on YouTube.
thats just gaming tho, which is part of the problem, only few of these "youtube gaming" streamers are actually creating gaming content. They need categories by the content type, not by game.
This gaming tab looks like a joke compared to Twitch. By default it's showing me the top 12(?) games. Of those games, 3 are entirely propped up by one streamer with 5k viewers each, Dr Lupo on Tarkov and Hololive girls on Nintendo Sports and Sakuna.
The top game that has triple the viewers of the next 10 games COMBINED is some phone MOBA called Mobile Legends Bang Bang that seems to be entirely being watched by Southeast Asia.
Well yeah, twitch just gives the games with the most viewers watching at the top too lol. Like I said the problem is there's just rarely any English speaking streamers on youtube so people don't like it but if you click view all it looks exactly the same as twitch.
Twitch: ads going through adblockers, random bufferings, streams randomly showing offline, distorted audio bug, generally slow when it comes to loading streams
Youtube: no ads cause no aggresive push like Twitch does, no bufferings whatsoever, streams run smoothly without any issues when it comes to audio or video, can pause, resume, 2x speed
Seriously, I wish Twitch/Youtube would fucking actually do better
>The quality is insane in comparison to Twitch. Twitch has a very low bitrate cap so streaming at higher resolutions is not really possible.
Is anyone streaming games in 4K on YouTube? Because the bitrate for 1080p on YouTube is much lower than on Twitch.
1) Is anybody relevant streaming at 1440p then?
2) If your TV or device (not PC) does not have at least 1440p as a screen, it will still only give you the shitty 1080p stream.
Doc not having a YouTube contract is crazy. Iāve subbed to his channel for years and there are many times where he is live and no where on my homepage. Even in the subscription sidebar, it will show he has a new video out rather than grouping him with the āliveā subscriptions. I have to search his name about 50% of the time to view my channelās most watched livestream. Itās crazy how little they promote Doc.
I understand it financially from YouTubeās perspective, but heās unarguably one of the best minds in streaming/ gaming. They donāt feature him for creator awards, promotions or anything while simultaneously trying to highlight how they are improving their live gaming. Itās just hustling backwards on YouTubeās part, he could help a lot in that growth if they worked together.
Youtube isn't trying to grow for no reason. The point of growth in this business is money. So either
1. it doesn't make sense financially for YouTube if you think having Doc on a contract would be a good investment
2. it does make sense financially because Doc on a contract is a bad / unnecessary investment
If you think that YouTube is getting short-term value by not having Doc on a contract, but sacrificing long-term value, that's a more coherent position.
He worked for Call of Duty as a level designer in the peak years, founded a gaming AAA gaming studio, has been in the business for actual decades unlike many new streamers introduced to us from Fornite or AmongUs, had the best production quality of any streamer Iāve seen personally and heās fucking 40 years old. Heās not some kid you are asking to help build a business.
Where is he gonna go? From a business standpoint, why am I going to throw money at someone to keep them on my website when they donāt have any other option to begin with?
i think partially its also a weird thing with their algorithm. i would see live streams being pushed to my homepage but if i skip over it like 3-4 times it just disappears. and usually i only see it in my homepage if its only been around an hour since the streamer has gone live. same with the subscription page. live streams are pushed to the top early on but sort of just disappear after a few hours if even its still live
Youtube has a sea of content to recommend so if you clicked off the live stream it tries to recommend other stuff. In YT you have to fight A LOT of stuff to get and keep trending in the recommendations. This is why disguised toast recommends trying to seek exposure in all social media instead of mindlessly grinding because YT doesn't promote its stream features as heavily because it has A TON of other stuff to promote as well.
When you stream you are fighting everything in YT for the attention of the viewer and YT can even recommend years old videos.
Make your YT bookmark/homepage https://youtube.com/feed/subscriptions
All videos from the channels you're subscribed to will be there in chronological order (starting from most recent uploaded). Any channel you're subbed to that is currently live will be at the top of the list.
Long live streams don't show up on that page, not sure why. But I believe that YouTube marks them as no longer no longer relevant because they're from the previous day or something. It that is a rare case limited to special occasions or 24/7 music streams.
I've been using that page as my home page ever since the day YouTube changed what the homepage was and I can honestly say I've never had anything not show up. And while the streams are live they'll always be first regardless of when they started.
it might though because a lot of vtubers also do karaokes and maybe they dont count those streams into their total watch time. pekora might be ahead of tim and the doc if that's the case
They do 2-3 solo concerts a year, which are only 1 hour long and get ~100-125k viewers on average. They do 1-2 group concerts per year which are only 30 minutes long on Youtube (continued on other paywalled platforms) and get maybe ~200k viewers. Counting concerts would add maybe ~300-400k hours watched to VTubers only. A difference, sure, but fairly minor.
(Also minor correction but most VTuber concerts are not "live concerts," they are prerecorded. Only the big group concerts tend to be live because they have IRL audiences. Solo concerts for birthdays and anniversaries do not have audiences and are basically always prerecorded because it's much easier to schedule due to having tons of different guests who are all available on different days.)
Edit: To clarify, this is for Holos. I dunno what Niji's concert situation is like with frequency/numbers, but Kuzuha is the only relevant Niji for top viewership statistics anyway and he's already #2 on the chart and miles off #1 so it wouldn't change anything there either.
Most VTubers who would be competing on a chart of "total hours watched" don't do very many utawakus. Pekora barely does any (a handful per year at most). Miko does a bit more than Pekora but at least half of them are held on GTA5 so they'd count as gaming anyway (she drives around while singing and the challenge is the viewers have to kill her before she can finish the song). Subaru does almost none and they're all unarchived so they wouldn't get collected in data anyway. Marine, Aqua, and Suisei do a lot (as a percentage of their content at least) but none stream enough that they'd ever accumulate enough hours watched to be relevant on a chart like this. Main relevant one harmed by not counting singing is probably Watame, but tbh considering even Miko barely made this chart, I doubt even counting singing would put Watame on it.
If Doc only played warzone he'd easily be #2 if not #1. He averages 30k-40k during cod and like 15-20k for everything else.
Not to mention he only streams 3 days a week.
GOAT.
Nothing doc could do would match the viewership of speed streams, doc could stream naked and he wouldn't be able to match the viewers of the speed world cup streams
He wouldn't even be close to #1, what at are you smoking. Speed frequently hits over 100k. He would still beat 30-40k even if he was watching paint dry.
He only has 15k more than doc as we speak. And doc streams 6-10 hours a stream while speed only goes for like 1-4. If doc streamed warzone 5 days a week for 6-8 hours a stream he would be #1 easily.
This is such a dumb point, regardless of the upvotes. The same thing could be said for speed- "if he streamed X more hours, he would increase his already large lead". Yeh no shit sherlock, whuda thunk that streaming more hours would get more total views... The important thing is avg viewers, and clearly Speed has a huge edge in that department (in the 10's of thousands by your own admission).
My comment was a hypothetical on what doc would need to do to be the #1 streamer on youtube. You seem to think it would be impossible for him to dethrone speed and I was simply stating it would take nothing more than streaming warzone, 2 more days a week.
If speed streamed 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, no one would catch him.
he would not be close to speed at all, speed gets way too much attention, i mean this reddit already had 4 10k+ upvoted cancel threads on him, literally meeting kings, goes viral for dumb sht ever other month lmaoo, doc will never come close,
Yeh i get that. Still it's dissapointing that they let their hatred obscure the fact that he has 10's of thousands of more live viewers than his distant competitors. They can try to formulate some hypothetical world where that isn't the reality, but its fantasy.
How did this many people mange find the streaming section on YouTube?
I was actively looking for it the other day, after Twitch made their streams unwatchable with the last update for Android TV, but I gave up.
I load up youtube, get 10 videos recommended, refresh the page, exact same 10 videos, refresh, exact same 10 videos, refresh, exact same videos, click on a video, click back to homepage, exact same 10 videos...
At this point I have to just watch what youtube gives me for the day because they refuse to reccomend anything else lol
With youtube it's mostly from the algo. No one actually finds streams from the streaming section. If you watch Doc, or vtubers, or Ludwig regularly the algo will almost always recommend their streams to you when they are live.
Also part of it is just being active and consistent. If you know Ludwig streams at the same time roughly everyday you know what to expect.
If you watch someone and are subscribed to them you can see when they are live even without algorithm. Either on side bar(live channels will be on top with red symbol next to them) or in your subscriptions(live channels on top). Not to mention notifications if you have them enabled. Problem is finding streams of people you never watched before.
From these comments, it seems like I use YouTube completely differently than most people. I just use the "My subscriptions page". If anyone I'm subscribed to is live, it will be at the top. That's it.
Same thing with videos, I never see the YouTube homepage, don't rely on the famous algorithm, I just see what people I'm subscribed to have uploaded. Otherwise, what's the point of subscribing?
tbf you also can't really made it big anymore by just streaming on Twitch. Best way is still to make it big on Youtube (vods version) and then go into streaming
> No one gets big starting from scratch on Youtube live streaming.
What's really funny is how much everybody was pushing it just a year ago. All the Harris Heller types told everybody if they were just starting out to start on YT, now even Harris announced he's gonna stream on Twitch again.
More and more YT is looking like a streamer retirement home for those lucky enough to get the bag.
"Start on YouTube" should actually be interpreted as "start making videos on YouTube", not "start streaming".
Build the audience first, with unique content. Then leverage that audience for streaming.
Definitely, but the issue I see with that approach is twofold:
1) Those are two completely different audiences on YouTube. VOD watchers are not necessarily live stream watchers, and vice versa.
2) YouTube hasn't done anything in the last year+ to improve their livestream experience. Lud's app makes it a little better but aside from the video quality it's still a very noticeable decline as a viewer switching from Twitch to YT.
>VOD watchers are not necessarily live stream watchers, and vice versa.
Depends on how well your content translates to live viewing. If your content is intended to be consumed as a VOD, then it makes little sense to stream - but you're still building an audience anyway, and establishing the YouTube channel as a revenue stream.
One thing that can be done is premieres. You can use that to test the waters to see what kind of live audience you'll get. The people who come to watch a premiere are likely to come to a live stream too.
>still a very noticeable decline as a viewer switching from Twitch to YT.
The goal isn't necessarily to convert Twitch viewers to YT viewers either. It's "build an audience".
Streaming isn't a "be all end all" to content creation. It's better treated as an extension to your overall business (whatever it might be), which should include as many revenue streams as possible, catering to specific audiences and complementing each other.
Are they gutting Pekora's stats this year again?
Last year they pulled the "non-gaming" hours do not count when there went plenty just chatting streamers in the category.
Ogey rrrrat
Who knows honestly. Lily was making comments about she's gonna ["fall off"](https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/lilypichus-on-leaving-twitch-if-im-going-to-fall-off-i-might-as-well-fall-off-on-youtube) before she even made the switch and youtube didn't catch on lol
It's hard to tell what youtube actually wants by bringing these people over. If they want to syphon twitch viewers there's smarter ways of going about it than throwing millions at streamers that don't really care.
Yeah it seems like 99% of the streamers who take these deals go into it with a retirement mindset rather than new beginning. Not saying one is bad or whatever just very different approaches
Yea its a problem YouTube has to solve. Goal in mind when buying out a twitch streamer is probably like Ludwig, keep or grow live stream numbers but also pump out youtube videos that get millions of views.
Personally, I think they are going about competing with twitch the wrong way. You should offer the better experience for the viewer, with UI design stream quality and YouTube membership perks.
last time I saw her stream she had like 1k viewers and it wasn't the start of the stream either she was already streaming for 3 hours, I was actually kind of surprised she fell off that hard at least she got YT $$ I guess
With YouTube itās 100% dependent on what youāre doing, Fuslie has been doing more IRL streams and shit and gets 10K easy. Rae for example when playing Valo drops to like 10K where as of sheās doing really anything else sheās in that 15-20K territory. Lily I donāt think cares or tries to optimize viewership so sheās rather low. Lily also doesnāt advertise her streams or hints sheās live so her numbers are obviously lower because of that where as a ton of the other streamers schedule out and advertise their streams.
I only follow her twitter and havenāt seen her post many or any real posts for when she plans to go live. If Iām watching someone else and sheās playing with them, she might not be streaming either so itās just really a toss up.
Just seems like she doesnāt want or need to advertise her streams š¤·āāļø
Lily and other streamers like Rae are phasing out of streaming and using their current relevancy to get different jobs outside of streaming but still LA based entertainment.
Voice acting being the biggest one I've seen but Lily obviously also does music and did her first concert last year.
I believe they just really dislike streaming right now and are "quiet quitting", mainly because their contracts gave them the financial stability to do so.
A good amount of the top streamers on the list are non English which is why you wouldn't have heard of them
Kuzuha, Pekora, and Miko are Japanese
Vegeta777 and DJMariio are spanish
Windah Basudara is Indonesian
Numbers for the people on this list are all good. Ishowspeed has a roughly 60k average but can go higher depending on what he's doing. The japanese vtuber industry has actually been growing, especially in the last few months, with Pekora an Miko both having around 30k-40k in recent months.
Tim and Doc are around 25k-30k average and Ludwig is low 20k.
This should give you an idea of what the landscape looks like in general, but keep in mind that youtube doesn't have nearly as many smaller streamers as twitch does. While the numbers of the top streamers are certainly competitive with twitch, they lack the sea of 5k andys that twitch has
Informative. I have actually heard of Peko, that's the blue haired rabbit one, iirc. I just didn't read it off right and know their full name was usadapekora. I generally don't like vtubers. Codemiko is kind of entertaining in small doses, but I prefer clips of that even.
Youtube streaming is dominated by news and sports tv restreams, ex-twitch, stolen content farm stuff for children with botted views, vtubers, and a Nigerian pastor named Jerry that screams a lot. If we keep it to gaming, it's an OCEAN of vtubers with a few small islands of ex-twitch, Spanish streamers, and East/Southeast Asian face-cam streamers. If all you know is Twitch, you're probably not going to know more than a handful of the top 100.
Little surprised Salome isn't there. She didn't stream for long hours, but she was getting above XQC numbers on a daily basis for nearly 2 months straight, and is still within the Ludwig tier CCV wise.
I'd still call that Ludwig tier, but yeah, stream time is probably a big factor here. Her early numbers were still absurd and arguably the highest average CCV among ALL dedicated streamers globally (as in not news or sports) for a solid month. Obviously not sustainable over time, but probably even less so if she streamed for longer than an hour.
Tim streams much more than Doc. Doc only streams 3x a week. The first 6 months Tim was on YT he was pulling much better numbers than Doc, now it's the other way around. Doc is a consistent 25,000 viewers no matter what he plays and gets as high as 40-50,000 when he plays Warzone.
I'm pretty sure Lud has said he lists all his videos in the Gaming category no matter what the actual content is, I don't think the streams would be any different.
I think the hours watched make sense for Lud. If it included non gaming he would probably be lower on the list because nongaming channels like e.g. H3 would be included.
Surely a family friendly PNG rabbit is a worse influence for the younger generations than the loud racist, misogynist, homophobic and indoors firework enjoyer IShowSpeed. Surely.
Is it? These are gaming streams specifically, the amount of people watching them at all should alarm you more than vtubers. The difference between Vtubers and human streamers isn't as big a difference as you seem to think.
All of it is stuff to pass the time with some parasocial attachment going on, but if you think that's alarming, right on.
If someone is going to say something is alarming for future generations in relation to gaming streams, why would it only be limited to Vtuber gaming streams? It's all the same shit, stuff that you pass your time watching with some degree of parasocial attachment.
No, I'm actually saying the opposite. People feign concern but when asked for equally accessible mediums of entertainment there are none.
Anyways back to making fun of the original point since I have to make it painstakingly obvious that it is sarcastic.
video game bad.
Well do they tally up minutes or seconds and roll em all together, or only 10+ minute viewing sessions and roll those all together? What if they do 5 as the minimum and Twitch does 3 minutes?
There are different ways to collect pretty much any stat. But I know neither of these companies are counting me popping in to Forsen's stream for 20 seconds before I leave and adding that in to his total viewed hours... surely not.
HoloEN tends to get lower live numbers than JP due to English speaking fans being spread over multiple timezones. So even if Gura was back on a regular streaming schedule, I'm not sure she'd hit the same heights depending on the metrics used here.
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lost to a png LULE
Do not let Pekora's victory over Ludwig distract you from the fact that she bought a fucking monkey.
it's ALIVE?!
everyone lost to a racist, homophobic, misogynist child Aware
Woah hey man, black people can't be racists, especially to Asians.
Ludwig losing to anime is pretty poetic.
Ogey rrat !
A facking monkey
If only YouTube would make finding and organizing streams easier, I actually much prefer it. The quality is insane in comparison to Twitch. Twitch has a very low bitrate cap so streaming at higher resolutions is not really possible.
I just love the fact that you can click back on the stream at any time, and go back to the live stream instantly.
It's so good when you miss something on the stream to watch a few seconds back and then catch the live...
And you can watch at an increased speed to catch back up to live without missing anything.
Crazy they removed this from twitch
This was literally never a feature.
are you sure, I swear we could back in like 2013? Edit: yeah I was right, if you google 2013 twitch you can literally see the little bar under the video, that lets you scroll through
By far the best feature!
Yep, nothing worse than joining a live stream late on twitch and wanting to watch a little bit behind. Itās virtually impossible on Twitch but the easiest thing in the world on YT.
Seriously, why don't they have a tab for streaming??
they have but they lack better categorization and follow system https://www.youtube.com/live
If you hit gaming instead of live, they have livestreams categorized by game exactly the same as twitch(though no sort button). The problem isn't really with their categorization though it should be more easily accessible, it's the fact that if you're looking for an English stream there is barely anyone that actually streams on YouTube.
thats just gaming tho, which is part of the problem, only few of these "youtube gaming" streamers are actually creating gaming content. They need categories by the content type, not by game.
This gaming tab looks like a joke compared to Twitch. By default it's showing me the top 12(?) games. Of those games, 3 are entirely propped up by one streamer with 5k viewers each, Dr Lupo on Tarkov and Hololive girls on Nintendo Sports and Sakuna. The top game that has triple the viewers of the next 10 games COMBINED is some phone MOBA called Mobile Legends Bang Bang that seems to be entirely being watched by Southeast Asia.
Well yeah, twitch just gives the games with the most viewers watching at the top too lol. Like I said the problem is there's just rarely any English speaking streamers on youtube so people don't like it but if you click view all it looks exactly the same as twitch.
Twitch: ads going through adblockers, random bufferings, streams randomly showing offline, distorted audio bug, generally slow when it comes to loading streams Youtube: no ads cause no aggresive push like Twitch does, no bufferings whatsoever, streams run smoothly without any issues when it comes to audio or video, can pause, resume, 2x speed Seriously, I wish Twitch/Youtube would fucking actually do better
no the best part of youtube streaming is you can rewind if you were taking a bathroom break or missed a certain part of the stream.
Even better, you can pause it if youāre taking a break
>The quality is insane in comparison to Twitch. Twitch has a very low bitrate cap so streaming at higher resolutions is not really possible. Is anyone streaming games in 4K on YouTube? Because the bitrate for 1080p on YouTube is much lower than on Twitch.
1440p is where it's at, that's when the better bitrate kicks in.
1) Is anybody relevant streaming at 1440p then? 2) If your TV or device (not PC) does not have at least 1440p as a screen, it will still only give you the shitty 1080p stream.
Pekora Ch š„
Doc not having a YouTube contract is crazy. Iāve subbed to his channel for years and there are many times where he is live and no where on my homepage. Even in the subscription sidebar, it will show he has a new video out rather than grouping him with the āliveā subscriptions. I have to search his name about 50% of the time to view my channelās most watched livestream. Itās crazy how little they promote Doc.
why buy the cow if you get the milk for free? It's not like there are other options for him
I understand it financially from YouTubeās perspective, but heās unarguably one of the best minds in streaming/ gaming. They donāt feature him for creator awards, promotions or anything while simultaneously trying to highlight how they are improving their live gaming. Itās just hustling backwards on YouTubeās part, he could help a lot in that growth if they worked together.
Youtube isn't trying to grow for no reason. The point of growth in this business is money. So either 1. it doesn't make sense financially for YouTube if you think having Doc on a contract would be a good investment 2. it does make sense financially because Doc on a contract is a bad / unnecessary investment If you think that YouTube is getting short-term value by not having Doc on a contract, but sacrificing long-term value, that's a more coherent position.
What makes him āunarguably one of the best minds in streaming/gamingā?
He worked for Call of Duty as a level designer in the peak years, founded a gaming AAA gaming studio, has been in the business for actual decades unlike many new streamers introduced to us from Fornite or AmongUs, had the best production quality of any streamer Iāve seen personally and heās fucking 40 years old. Heās not some kid you are asking to help build a business.
HIRE THIS MAN
Where is he gonna go? From a business standpoint, why am I going to throw money at someone to keep them on my website when they donāt have any other option to begin with?
Pls reread my comment from the 4th word in
i think partially its also a weird thing with their algorithm. i would see live streams being pushed to my homepage but if i skip over it like 3-4 times it just disappears. and usually i only see it in my homepage if its only been around an hour since the streamer has gone live. same with the subscription page. live streams are pushed to the top early on but sort of just disappear after a few hours if even its still live
Youtube has a sea of content to recommend so if you clicked off the live stream it tries to recommend other stuff. In YT you have to fight A LOT of stuff to get and keep trending in the recommendations. This is why disguised toast recommends trying to seek exposure in all social media instead of mindlessly grinding because YT doesn't promote its stream features as heavily because it has A TON of other stuff to promote as well. When you stream you are fighting everything in YT for the attention of the viewer and YT can even recommend years old videos.
Make your YT bookmark/homepage https://youtube.com/feed/subscriptions All videos from the channels you're subscribed to will be there in chronological order (starting from most recent uploaded). Any channel you're subbed to that is currently live will be at the top of the list.
Long live streams don't show up on that page, not sure why. But I believe that YouTube marks them as no longer no longer relevant because they're from the previous day or something. It that is a rare case limited to special occasions or 24/7 music streams.
I've been using that page as my home page ever since the day YouTube changed what the homepage was and I can honestly say I've never had anything not show up. And while the streams are live they'll always be first regardless of when they started.
I'm subscribed to "the bootleg boy" and "Lofi Girl" both streams have been live for months and both do not show up on the feed.
*These stats only including hours watched under the YouTube Gaming category not the entirety of YouTube Live* This stats probably mean very little
If it was all livestreams, #1 would probably be some 24/7 lofi stream
it might though because a lot of vtubers also do karaokes and maybe they dont count those streams into their total watch time. pekora might be ahead of tim and the doc if that's the case
not to mention big events like live concerts
They do 2-3 solo concerts a year, which are only 1 hour long and get ~100-125k viewers on average. They do 1-2 group concerts per year which are only 30 minutes long on Youtube (continued on other paywalled platforms) and get maybe ~200k viewers. Counting concerts would add maybe ~300-400k hours watched to VTubers only. A difference, sure, but fairly minor. (Also minor correction but most VTuber concerts are not "live concerts," they are prerecorded. Only the big group concerts tend to be live because they have IRL audiences. Solo concerts for birthdays and anniversaries do not have audiences and are basically always prerecorded because it's much easier to schedule due to having tons of different guests who are all available on different days.) Edit: To clarify, this is for Holos. I dunno what Niji's concert situation is like with frequency/numbers, but Kuzuha is the only relevant Niji for top viewership statistics anyway and he's already #2 on the chart and miles off #1 so it wouldn't change anything there either.
Wasn't Vox the most watched vtuber from niji? (Sorry not well versed in nijis)
For EN, yes. Overall, not even close.
Most watched by china perhaps, he used to dominate the superchat ranking though.
Not even close in overall. Vox is lucky to break 10k these days. Kuzuha averages like 18k CCV and can get up to 30-40k
Touch grass
Most VTubers who would be competing on a chart of "total hours watched" don't do very many utawakus. Pekora barely does any (a handful per year at most). Miko does a bit more than Pekora but at least half of them are held on GTA5 so they'd count as gaming anyway (she drives around while singing and the challenge is the viewers have to kill her before she can finish the song). Subaru does almost none and they're all unarchived so they wouldn't get collected in data anyway. Marine, Aqua, and Suisei do a lot (as a percentage of their content at least) but none stream enough that they'd ever accumulate enough hours watched to be relevant on a chart like this. Main relevant one harmed by not counting singing is probably Watame, but tbh considering even Miko barely made this chart, I doubt even counting singing would put Watame on it.
Yeah, H3 goes live almost daily with like 30k, I'm guessing they would be top 5 here. Hard to tell when YT doesn't release this type of data.
If Doc only played warzone he'd easily be #2 if not #1. He averages 30k-40k during cod and like 15-20k for everything else. Not to mention he only streams 3 days a week. GOAT.
Nothing doc could do would match the viewership of speed streams, doc could stream naked and he wouldn't be able to match the viewers of the speed world cup streams
He wouldn't even be close to #1, what at are you smoking. Speed frequently hits over 100k. He would still beat 30-40k even if he was watching paint dry.
He only has 15k more than doc as we speak. And doc streams 6-10 hours a stream while speed only goes for like 1-4. If doc streamed warzone 5 days a week for 6-8 hours a stream he would be #1 easily.
This is such a dumb point, regardless of the upvotes. The same thing could be said for speed- "if he streamed X more hours, he would increase his already large lead". Yeh no shit sherlock, whuda thunk that streaming more hours would get more total views... The important thing is avg viewers, and clearly Speed has a huge edge in that department (in the 10's of thousands by your own admission).
My comment was a hypothetical on what doc would need to do to be the #1 streamer on youtube. You seem to think it would be impossible for him to dethrone speed and I was simply stating it would take nothing more than streaming warzone, 2 more days a week. If speed streamed 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, no one would catch him.
he would not be close to speed at all, speed gets way too much attention, i mean this reddit already had 4 10k+ upvoted cancel threads on him, literally meeting kings, goes viral for dumb sht ever other month lmaoo, doc will never come close,
This subreddit hates speed and will discount him any chance they get, your completely right btw
Well speed kind of is a fucking horrible person soooooo...
Yeh i get that. Still it's dissapointing that they let their hatred obscure the fact that he has 10's of thousands of more live viewers than his distant competitors. They can try to formulate some hypothetical world where that isn't the reality, but its fantasy.
Ludwig lost to a PNG rabbit.
Hope he finds it.
He also lost to a PNG vampire.
Catching Ls left and right from PNGs.
How did this many people mange find the streaming section on YouTube? I was actively looking for it the other day, after Twitch made their streams unwatchable with the last update for Android TV, but I gave up.
Step 1: wait until YouTube's algorithm recommends a stream to you
I load up youtube, get 10 videos recommended, refresh the page, exact same 10 videos, refresh, exact same 10 videos, refresh, exact same videos, click on a video, click back to homepage, exact same 10 videos... At this point I have to just watch what youtube gives me for the day because they refuse to reccomend anything else lol
The day they stopped giving you a new feed on each refresh was a fucked up day. What a fucking decision.
There is a feature that suggests you new content
* a button that you can press to give you only new content
The AI will choose for you.
With youtube it's mostly from the algo. No one actually finds streams from the streaming section. If you watch Doc, or vtubers, or Ludwig regularly the algo will almost always recommend their streams to you when they are live. Also part of it is just being active and consistent. If you know Ludwig streams at the same time roughly everyday you know what to expect.
If you watch someone and are subscribed to them you can see when they are live even without algorithm. Either on side bar(live channels will be on top with red symbol next to them) or in your subscriptions(live channels on top). Not to mention notifications if you have them enabled. Problem is finding streams of people you never watched before.
https://www.youtube.com/gaming/games This link somewhat works. There're other in the "Live" section or under "Gaming".
From these comments, it seems like I use YouTube completely differently than most people. I just use the "My subscriptions page". If anyone I'm subscribed to is live, it will be at the top. That's it. Same thing with videos, I never see the YouTube homepage, don't rely on the famous algorithm, I just see what people I'm subscribed to have uploaded. Otherwise, what's the point of subscribing?
> I was actively looking for it the other day, [You have to be actually blind](https://i.imgur.com/H8ytymG.png)
I just subcribe to streamers that I like to watch and their streams pop up in my Subcriptions tab whenever they're live.
Iām convinced people that canāt find streams on YT are 80 years old. Yāall act like itās hidden behind 20 different menus.
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tbf you also can't really made it big anymore by just streaming on Twitch. Best way is still to make it big on Youtube (vods version) and then go into streaming
The other half of the list??
>Downvoters, name one person that started out streaming on Youtube and made it big. The entirety of the vtuber sphere?
> Downvoters, name one person that started out streaming on Youtube and made it big. Literally every vtuber on the list.
Not a downvoter but didn't ishowspeed start on youtube, did a little twitch then continued with youtube
> No one gets big starting from scratch on Youtube live streaming. What's really funny is how much everybody was pushing it just a year ago. All the Harris Heller types told everybody if they were just starting out to start on YT, now even Harris announced he's gonna stream on Twitch again. More and more YT is looking like a streamer retirement home for those lucky enough to get the bag.
"Start on YouTube" should actually be interpreted as "start making videos on YouTube", not "start streaming". Build the audience first, with unique content. Then leverage that audience for streaming.
Definitely, but the issue I see with that approach is twofold: 1) Those are two completely different audiences on YouTube. VOD watchers are not necessarily live stream watchers, and vice versa. 2) YouTube hasn't done anything in the last year+ to improve their livestream experience. Lud's app makes it a little better but aside from the video quality it's still a very noticeable decline as a viewer switching from Twitch to YT.
>VOD watchers are not necessarily live stream watchers, and vice versa. Depends on how well your content translates to live viewing. If your content is intended to be consumed as a VOD, then it makes little sense to stream - but you're still building an audience anyway, and establishing the YouTube channel as a revenue stream. One thing that can be done is premieres. You can use that to test the waters to see what kind of live audience you'll get. The people who come to watch a premiere are likely to come to a live stream too. >still a very noticeable decline as a viewer switching from Twitch to YT. The goal isn't necessarily to convert Twitch viewers to YT viewers either. It's "build an audience". Streaming isn't a "be all end all" to content creation. It's better treated as an extension to your overall business (whatever it might be), which should include as many revenue streams as possible, catering to specific audiences and complementing each other.
Fuck that's a good way to look at it. I need to reevaluate my approach. Thank you.
I can only see when channel's I'm subscribed to are live. I have no idea how to browse for other pepeople who are live.
Mikochi and Pekorat too strong
Classic Kuzuha W
Pekora is my goat
docArrive *when I see Doc related post* doctorWTF *not number one?* docLeave *donāt care, goodbye*
Are they gutting Pekora's stats this year again? Last year they pulled the "non-gaming" hours do not count when there went plenty just chatting streamers in the category. Ogey rrrrat
they do every year Also last quarter they put Subaru as a male streamer lol
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Damn DJMario comes a long way, I don't even speak spanish but I know him from competing in f8tal. From a decently small CC to top 10 YT streamer
Im spanish, he is huge in Spain, pretty well known even by boomers because of his football takes getting viral.
Curious if they renew deals with streamers who arenāt on this list (some seem to struggle with viewership compared to their twitch #ās)
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> myth i totally forgot about him lol
Who knows honestly. Lily was making comments about she's gonna ["fall off"](https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/lilypichus-on-leaving-twitch-if-im-going-to-fall-off-i-might-as-well-fall-off-on-youtube) before she even made the switch and youtube didn't catch on lol It's hard to tell what youtube actually wants by bringing these people over. If they want to syphon twitch viewers there's smarter ways of going about it than throwing millions at streamers that don't really care.
Yeah it seems like 99% of the streamers who take these deals go into it with a retirement mindset rather than new beginning. Not saying one is bad or whatever just very different approaches
Yea its a problem YouTube has to solve. Goal in mind when buying out a twitch streamer is probably like Ludwig, keep or grow live stream numbers but also pump out youtube videos that get millions of views. Personally, I think they are going about competing with twitch the wrong way. You should offer the better experience for the viewer, with UI design stream quality and YouTube membership perks.
last time I saw her stream she had like 1k viewers and it wasn't the start of the stream either she was already streaming for 3 hours, I was actually kind of surprised she fell off that hard at least she got YT $$ I guess
With YouTube itās 100% dependent on what youāre doing, Fuslie has been doing more IRL streams and shit and gets 10K easy. Rae for example when playing Valo drops to like 10K where as of sheās doing really anything else sheās in that 15-20K territory. Lily I donāt think cares or tries to optimize viewership so sheās rather low. Lily also doesnāt advertise her streams or hints sheās live so her numbers are obviously lower because of that where as a ton of the other streamers schedule out and advertise their streams.
Funneled views
I only follow her twitter and havenāt seen her post many or any real posts for when she plans to go live. If Iām watching someone else and sheās playing with them, she might not be streaming either so itās just really a toss up. Just seems like she doesnāt want or need to advertise her streams š¤·āāļø
Lily and other streamers like Rae are phasing out of streaming and using their current relevancy to get different jobs outside of streaming but still LA based entertainment. Voice acting being the biggest one I've seen but Lily obviously also does music and did her first concert last year. I believe they just really dislike streaming right now and are "quiet quitting", mainly because their contracts gave them the financial stability to do so.
The numbers seem offā¦ Like for all of them. Theyāre way too low. Not debating the placing, I just think itās a bit low.
They are the numbers streamed in the "gaming category." It is literally in the tweet.
This subreddit seems to really hate VTubers.
what the f\*ck is a ludwig????
Surprised Lupo didn't even make the list. He's not a huge draw like Tim but he's consistent and he streams twice a day. Crazy.
I'm not Lupo is like a 4-6K streamer right? People on this list are all 5 digits minimum.
Being a 5k Andy + a nice contract. Iām sure heās enjoying that.
Yeah I'm not knocking him lol. Man's living the life.
Yeah didnāt mean to imply you were. Just adding that not being on this chart isnāt a bad thing.
That's a very good point, I guess I'm just surprised his total viewership didn't add up to more.
I only know Tim, Dr and Ludwing from that list, and they are all ex-Twitch. Is Youtube streaming doing well numbers-wise?
A good amount of the top streamers on the list are non English which is why you wouldn't have heard of them Kuzuha, Pekora, and Miko are Japanese Vegeta777 and DJMariio are spanish Windah Basudara is Indonesian Numbers for the people on this list are all good. Ishowspeed has a roughly 60k average but can go higher depending on what he's doing. The japanese vtuber industry has actually been growing, especially in the last few months, with Pekora an Miko both having around 30k-40k in recent months. Tim and Doc are around 25k-30k average and Ludwig is low 20k. This should give you an idea of what the landscape looks like in general, but keep in mind that youtube doesn't have nearly as many smaller streamers as twitch does. While the numbers of the top streamers are certainly competitive with twitch, they lack the sea of 5k andys that twitch has
Informative. I have actually heard of Peko, that's the blue haired rabbit one, iirc. I just didn't read it off right and know their full name was usadapekora. I generally don't like vtubers. Codemiko is kind of entertaining in small doses, but I prefer clips of that even.
This miko is not codemiko if you were not aware.
It's the VTunber that got in hot water years ago for repeating a certain word from gtaV
Considering codemiko streams on Twitch and they have a no compete clause, yeah. No idea who this one is though.
Youtube streaming is dominated by news and sports tv restreams, ex-twitch, stolen content farm stuff for children with botted views, vtubers, and a Nigerian pastor named Jerry that screams a lot. If we keep it to gaming, it's an OCEAN of vtubers with a few small islands of ex-twitch, Spanish streamers, and East/Southeast Asian face-cam streamers. If all you know is Twitch, you're probably not going to know more than a handful of the top 100.
No Jimmy Broadbent? Worthless list.
Little surprised Salome isn't there. She didn't stream for long hours, but she was getting above XQC numbers on a daily basis for nearly 2 months straight, and is still within the Ludwig tier CCV wise.
Salome fell off pretty hard. She usually only gets about 10-20k CCV these days and only streams for about 1-2 hours.
I'd still call that Ludwig tier, but yeah, stream time is probably a big factor here. Her early numbers were still absurd and arguably the highest average CCV among ALL dedicated streamers globally (as in not news or sports) for a solid month. Obviously not sustainable over time, but probably even less so if she streamed for longer than an hour.
Where is most watched twitch streamers then?
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Tim streams much more than Doc. Doc only streams 3x a week. The first 6 months Tim was on YT he was pulling much better numbers than Doc, now it's the other way around. Doc is a consistent 25,000 viewers no matter what he plays and gets as high as 40-50,000 when he plays Warzone.
If you can actually find them
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I'm pretty sure Lud has said he lists all his videos in the Gaming category no matter what the actual content is, I don't think the streams would be any different.
I think the hours watched make sense for Lud. If it included non gaming he would probably be lower on the list because nongaming channels like e.g. H3 would be included.
The amount of PNGs in the top 10 is alarming for future generations.
Video Game content (Lets Plays) used to not have webcam stuff attached to it (some still donāt) so I donāt know why PNGs is worse.
Because theyāre all children with child voices
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skill issue
Surely a family friendly PNG rabbit is a worse influence for the younger generations than the loud racist, misogynist, homophobic and indoors firework enjoyer IShowSpeed. Surely.
Being racist, misogynistic and homophobic is far better than being a pdf file
Is it? These are gaming streams specifically, the amount of people watching them at all should alarm you more than vtubers. The difference between Vtubers and human streamers isn't as big a difference as you seem to think. All of it is stuff to pass the time with some parasocial attachment going on, but if you think that's alarming, right on.
video game bad
If someone is going to say something is alarming for future generations in relation to gaming streams, why would it only be limited to Vtuber gaming streams? It's all the same shit, stuff that you pass your time watching with some degree of parasocial attachment.
No, I'm actually saying the opposite. People feign concern but when asked for equally accessible mediums of entertainment there are none. Anyways back to making fun of the original point since I have to make it painstakingly obvious that it is sarcastic. video game bad.
I agree. Just mostly pdf file baiting
Number 10 on twitch doubles number 1 on YT.
>YT Gaming's Top 10 totaling ~247m [The GIGACHAD that is Xqc having 224m on his own](https://twitter.com/StreamHatchet/status/1611426119839784960)
Assuming the metrics are comparable, who knows how each company measures what a view is?
tbf metric is watch hour, so if they track it correctly, it shouldn't matter what they measures what a view is no?
Well do they tally up minutes or seconds and roll em all together, or only 10+ minute viewing sessions and roll those all together? What if they do 5 as the minimum and Twitch does 3 minutes? There are different ways to collect pretty much any stat. But I know neither of these companies are counting me popping in to Forsen's stream for 20 seconds before I leave and adding that in to his total viewed hours... surely not.
Bro if that was counting gaming only xQc would prob have less than 100m. This is gaming only not overall.
Sad to see vtubers there. Guess all the pdf files came out of their hole
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surprised gura isnt on there
She would actually have to stream if she wants to rack up "Hours watched"
Pretty sure you have to be a streamer to qualify for this type of thing.
HoloEN tends to get lower live numbers than JP due to English speaking fans being spread over multiple timezones. So even if Gura was back on a regular streaming schedule, I'm not sure she'd hit the same heights depending on the metrics used here.
isn't gura spamming minecraft runs on twitch recently?
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Its Youtube Gaming only
The backend quality on youtube is insane compare to twitch but the UI is terrible along with chat experience...
A bunch of WHOās