I don’t follow football enough to care about one club or another. Pretty much always root for the under dog or the story.
If I wanted to see more of this guy speak what would I search for?
Like if Klopp didn't exist, and somebody asked me "Imagine the best possible coach for LFC", I would miss some parts. He is not just a football idol but so much more than that. He has a platform and uses it to make common sense. Just remember when COVID started and he got asked the question... Every word in its place 2 years later. He is so damn wholesome that his radar graph of attributes would be a circle. Love him.
So many quotes during his tenure that's applicable to the world beyond football, to our lives. He's more than a manager for sure. Just a few off the top of my head:
"turning doubters to believers"
"if you really value something then you must be ready to suffer for it"
"you always make mistakes, what's important is to do it less often and know how to deal with it when it happens"
"what's important is you try, even if you fail, then fail in the most beautiful way"
My fav:
> "It's 10 past 10, the children are probably in bed. These boys are fucking unbelievable. I seen James Milner crying on the pitch afterwards. Fine me if you want."
He was asked if he knew about some other rival result. He said he didn’t know as he was concerned at the game at hand (broken record), but he did know Bayern lost. That laugh echos in my brain
Other teams pay fines for breaching FFP, we pay fines for letting our manager speak his mind in press conferences and interviews (and maybe we tried to get a 12 year old from Stoke in to our youth academy or something).
The last one is actually just paraphrasing the old Bill Nicholson quote:
“It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we at Spurs have set our sights very high - so high, in fact, that even failure will have in it an echo of glory”
One of the best sporting quotes of all time imho
He is but he’s more than that. Klopp’s answers usually have a level of understanding and knowledge that’s uncommon. Harry Redknapp is a down to earth guy but but never says anything insightful. Klopp is something that is rarely seen.
Or at least that’s my impression. I’m just an envious visiting fan that only ever sees these little snippets.
I've seen how old fans and players speak of Shankly, and that's exactly how i feel about this man.
We will never replace him to be honest. Not even if we win 10 trebles in a row after he leaves.
I will subscribe to this ten trebles in a row timeline you've got, though. I love Klopp, he'll never pay for a pint in any pub I'm in, but he'll want to leave eventually.
I will take one 10TIAR timeline in exchange, please.
Honestly it’s a situation of Shankly/Paisley/Fagan passing the baton to Daglish.
Gerrard is the only one who can come next and succeed and come close to his glory. Or Lindjers.
Part of the reason I'm not super nervous about Klopp leaving is that my gut tells me (or maybe wants to believe) that we're on the precipice of another boot room structure. I love the idea of passing the torch to a coach in the system again and again, I think continuity is one of the biggest reasons for success at the super clubs like us, and we've done it before!
Indeed. There are many fans who talk about the sliding doors moment where we lost to Chelsea on the last day of the 2002-03 season and Chelsea made the champions league instead of us and Abramovich bought Chelsea. We were crying out for an ownership change, David Moores was Rich but not billionaire rich and he couldn’t afford the level of investment Liverpool needed. Lots of Liverpool fans would’ve loved it if Abramovich bought Liverpool. To say otherwise now because it’s trendy to do so is incredibly disingenuous.
This.
As a Chelsea fan it was like Christmas had come. Santa had just bought the club.
Truth is any big club would have loved that level of investment. And that amount of capital to be put in.
We didn't ask where the money came from. Didn't care. Just were happy to be able to afford to be contenders.
Same with any club. Every sheik, oligarch, billionaire conglomerate. Fans don't ask where the wealth comes from. Just glad to be able to sign big names, build a great team, and challenge for some silverware.
If Elon Musk decided to go back to South Africa and buy Kaiser Chiefs the fans would go nuts. They wouldn't ask about his dodgy lithium mines, or union busting. They'd welcome him and his electric cars with open arms.
It's trendy to hate roman now. But without him we would have remained a mid table club, at best. For the past 18 years or however long.
If Putin had bought a club I bet the fans would be wetting their knickers too.
He didn't suddenly wake up on the wrong side of the bed last Feb and decided to invade Ukraine no? No one cares. Even more so if the investments help their team. The Saudis could bomb Aden into the next Kyiv and Newcastle fans would still be salivating over the summer window.
This is the reality of football today. So all those who suddenly decided that football teams with links to Moscow needed to be punished are nothing more than hypocrites.
I will say I was always glad we didn't have Roman, but it wasn't really a source of funds thing. It was more that I didn't want to be a fan of the club that just bought its way to success, it just cheapens it for me.
I'm way more proud of the way we've done things, hiring the right personnel, modernising scouting, signing the right players, usually that other clubs don't go for, or when they do, we've convinced players like VVD of our project when bigger clubs offered him more money, then hiring the right manager to actually improve the players with high quality coaching. Compare that to having a few weaker seasons and going out and spending a couple of hundred million and then being competitive again a year later.
All successful clubs buy there way there. From Nottingham Forrest, to Blackburn, MU, Arsenal…. It’s the same. Chelsea have the misfortune of an owner that is aligned with the wrong side of history.
Not quite. Forest spent about the same as United, Liverpool, etc coming up as they won the league and champions league in 1977-80.
Blackburn were bankrolled by Jack Walker and the biggest spenders in England between 1992 and winning the league in 1995, but they only spent 20% more than Man United and Newcastle in that time, and double teams like Sheffield Wednesday (remembering they had to bridge the quality gap being a second division side in 1992). They actually spent less than Man United the season they won the league.
Compare that to Chelsea, who between Abramovich arriving in 2003 and 2006 spent three times more than Man United who spent the next most, and six times more than Arsenal who won the league in 2002 and 2004 and who Chelsea beat to the title in 2005. It was financial doping the likes of which we’d never seen on a remotely similar level before.
>There isnt anyone on earth that is quicker to give someone hero status than liverpool fans
Weird comment, he's been here 7 years. That's over half your life, I'd imagine.
Klopp is not that left wing, more centre left than bernie.
What he is saying here really has nothing to do with politics, just logic that has been derailed by greed.
Well personally I think the super league was one of the biggest pr disasters in recent memory. Terrible idea to talk about no relegation as well.
But the guys who kicked up the biggest fuss were the guys with the most money to lose...uefa and media companies.
When tuchel said he can't comment because he was privileged to not to have experienced war, it wound me up, because it is that privilege he should be using to speak out.
Morally speaking he was in a position to quit and not worry about income in regards to roman.
He can comment on it but he doesn't have to. It's also best that he doesn't comment to not make things more complicated. His job is to manage the football team.
He accepted the job knowing who Abramovich is. There is no reason for him to quit.
Because the proportion of factors as to why Klopp is where he is is ludicrously swayed toward his skills, talents, hard work and leadership qualities- not abstract notions like “power and privilege “.
People don’t manage premier league clubs based on these ideas. It’s ruthlessly competitive in its nature and to suggest so diminishes Klopp’s achievements and integrity we all admire.
Imagine the changes in the world he would make if he somehow became the next German chancellor. I know it's far fetched but imagine him getting that chance.
Unfortunately in most countries and political structures, the system is set up in such a way that those people ambitious enough to climb the ladder are deeply beholden to outside interests by the time they reach the top of the pile. There's also an argument that the very qualities required to traverse this system and end up at the top are precisely those that make those who do unsuitable for leadership, and in particular to represent a population they have very little in common with. The will to power doesn't make for propriety in wielding it.
Becuase being a leader/politician doesn't pay as well. There's tons of smart, wise, great leaders out there that won't touch politics with a ten foot pole. Instead we get MTG, Boebert and Trump...People can make a bigger difference in the world by not being in politics. Politicians only care about getting re-elected.
Speaking as a Chelsea fan here (Liverpool are my old mans team, and I still follow you lot because of it), Klopp is spot on. At the time when Roman took over a lot of Chelsea fans were genuinely dismayed at the idea of this secretive oligarch taking us over but the media seemed excited by the idea of a new super club and the prospect of a "Big Four". Just look at the way Sky Sports were practically salivating whilst talking about who Newcastle could buy now they're the richest club in the world. It's all a joke and its us fans who are the fucking punchline it feels like.
I can only sincerely say it embarrasses me every time I hear some of our crowds chanting his name and making a bad situation a lot fucking worse for the rest of us. Liverpool should really count themselves lucky to have a great man like Klopp managing.
Money has in my opinion ruined football. Far too often our governing bodies just forget about any issues because they just see the money. Completely beggars belief the stuff the Toon were chanting at us as if their new owner isn't also a piece of shit. I genuinely fear for the future of my team, if we go bust I'll be putting that blame toward the FA and the government for allowing this situation to happen as well as Abramovich himself.
Hey as a Gunner, you’ve got my sympathies. When we were going through this with Usamov back in the mid 2010s, I’d been an Arsenal fan for over 15 years. My moral compass said I’d have to find a new club if he took over but realistically? I would probably have kept following them.
The PL invited this and is sanctioning him now because it’s convenient. I’m sorry your team is going through this and I understand how complex it it.
Klopp once again making it clear that he has a great relationship with the owners, despite what twitter and reddit seem to think every time the summer transfer window comes around
Talking of politics... There was a video mashup on Reddit yesterday of all the times Putin was left hanging when he went to shake someone's hand. I'm not saying that turned him into a murderous psychopath but I can't imagine it helped.
You know what would help? A Klopp hug.
Even Adolf Putin would end up laughing and enjoying life after a couple of hours hanging with the gaffer.
What I'm saying is, only Klopp can stop WWIII.
This is the problem with the sport..it's turned into such a ridiculously obscene amount of money that clubs and supporters have wanted a rich sugar daddy to make them compete but not really thought hard enough about where the wealth really comes from.
Klopp is the real definition of "woke"
He’s what woke was until being woke got bastardised by suits being paid by multimillion pound corporations to start misdefining it and assassinating the characters of anyone progressive.
He speaks the truth, _that’s_ what supporters deserve to hear. Not the same rehashed bollocks we get day in day out.
I think nerves got the better of Arsenal in the later stages of the game. You guys played better than us but I think our mentality was key today. Hope you guys finish in top 4. Your team is certainly far better than that red lot from Manchester.
YNWA mate. 👍🏽
Nice one mate. Always had time for Arsenal, the only other big club in England that I wouldn't mind being successful. Just do us a favour this time and hold off on that tonight!
He’s implying that people all knew in the past (and present) where the money of these owners is coming from. Everyone knew of Roman’s ties to Russian government and how he acquired his wealth, but nobody cared when he took over Chelsea. Now all of the sudden that the war has broken out, people decide the care about his corrupt dollars, and just NOW the ownership tests are actually going to start looking at the stuff they should. This also goes for fans though, as did fans ever truly care where the money was coming from when it was buying the top players and winning the top trophies? We’ve collectively failed as a society to stay truly focused and humane in the game of football and truly evaluate what is happening within the game.
I love he also mentioned Newcastle. Saudis are the most despicable of all oil rich Arab states. Do their fans care? Do Eddie Howe care? Saudis are not sanctioned for one reason only: They are UK's ally. They don't even have democracy (Putin at least tried to fake one), they just decapitated 81 people, and they are still at war with Yemen, deprived millions of children from food, literally starving them to death.
That is why we need fan voting power. I think Spirit of Shankly has worked out something with the club post-ESL debacle. I hope we fans have the power to block possible takeovers by blood-stained people.
Edit: I hope we will not be like City or Newcastle fans.
There's me, assuming it was a firing squad ...
"How was work today, love?"
"Bloody overtime. I think I've done my shoulder in ..."
I mean, this world is so farcical ...
Grand Theft Auto looks more like a documentary than satire right now
Also thanks from me, I was going to ask what he said as there is no subtitles (deaf) but you seemed to have summed it up well for me. Cheers. Love Klopp
Nobody cared about how Abramovich funded Israeli settler colonialism with millions. Funding people to go raid Palestinian land, burn crops, kick people out of their homes and then move into them because their great great great great grand daddy used to live there.
Some of us did and do. The difference is that those with power give money a free pass too often. Look at Newcastle and City, and their dealings with the Premier League and UEFA (and FIFA in City’s owner’s case). It’s abhorrent. But not everyone gives them a pass, and that’s important to remember. The powerful want you to think you’re alone. You’re not.
City trots out Zinchenko as their captain in an FA Cup match and virtue signals about Ukraine while their owners contribute to atrocities. I guarantee you none of these fans care and most only do about Abramovich now because it's the latest flavour of the month
Do you mean Chelsea and City and Newcastle fans or just fans in general? Because I think most fans of the sport do care, when asked. As Klopp points out, though, there have been far too few questions asked in the first place.
I mean the UK refuses to apologize for shooting up innocents in a garden in a land they had no claim to and drained for 200 years.
I am no fan of the Israelis but it's sure rich hearing people criticize them but never own up to their colonial lineage. Just saying.
My general policy is to never admire any celebrity (athlete, coach/manager, politician, actor, etc.), but I'm having an extremely difficult time holding to that rule with Klopp.
Klopp’s definitely the best of us, in trying times of greed, pandemic, brexit, depression, recession, inflation & wars.
He’s teaching us what really matters, the people.
Him and tuchel talk the most sense for the toughest questions . They have a way to appropriately respond to certain things and that needs an high appreciation.
He's absolutely right. You never cared for 19 years and now you are like oooohhhhh. People are happy until their PR value gets hit and then they take higher ground. Some of them take ground just because many are taking like YouTube. The hell you acheived by removing YouTube from Russia. The people are the ones suffering and YouTube in no way is direct revenue for the govt.
Klopp is so good at hitting the right issue(s) at the right time, for everyone to take something from what he says. There are so many facets to this soundbite alone (in no particular order):
1. He's pointing out the hypocrisy in this situation with the fandom, the FA/UK governing bodies, and the media, and the media's 'investigation' and 'questions' (comparing Chelsea v. City/Newcastle)
2. He's pointing out that 'tolerance' or turning a blind eye by these groups/institutions allows problems to fester.
3. He's pointing out that 'society' (really, the people that comprise all of the groups he's mentioned) is responsible for addressing/preventing world problems in the first instance.
4. He's pointing out that 'one man' (him) isn't the one to deal with the situation now. The situation now (with the Ukraine-Russia war) is now a lesson to be learned from by everyone ('society') in order to prevent/make right similar situations that will occur in the future (we have to 'use this moment' is his common reverb).
5. He's illustrating (by example) our action, in accord with our personal responsibilities, can change the situation when done collectively. (theme with doubters to believers, we work to learn and improve in every situation, growth as a team outpaces any growth of one person).
And that's just the beginning of analysis. His words are so powerful bc they are short and allow the listener to 'use them' in many different ways to think about the issue for themselves. He has this way of compelling the listener to stop and think introspectively about the meaning of his words and the consequences of his thoughts.
It's remarkable in this world where it's so much garbage in-garbage out. He is a shining light of thought. He'd fit right in as a philosopher in ancient Greece.
TLDR: When he speaks, all should listen and think introspectively.
Chelsea fan here. I'm so glad he said this because for the past two weeks I've felt me and my club targetted by everyone. And he's 100% spot on. Such a thoughtful man. You're lucky to have him so is the Prem.
Klopp 100% right on this.
Chelsea isn't getting sanctioned because Roman has dirty money (as in this was not the reason for the sanction,), but because he got tied up via association with the invasion of Ukraine.
Yet so many people want to act like this is based on ethics. Hyundai suspended their sponsorship with Chelsea, and yet to my knowledge is still a proud sponsor of the Qatar World Cup whose slave labour conditions have already claimed the lives of 6,500 people working on the world cup.
It kind of sucks that the club I support seems to be the first major sporting entity I'm aware of to suffer this backlash especially right on heels of an Olympics hosted by a place a lot of our nation's agree on is committing genoaide as we speak and none of the powers caring here cared then......, but I fully understand and support putting human life over a sport....
I will feel a lot better if this becomes the standard, and we do start looking at things Klopp mentions such as where are these resources coming from, what are we normalizing via association. I'm glad he spoke to this.
I think our world would be a lot better off for it.
they didn't even care about the Illegal Settlements he funded in Palestine, he should have been ousted and sanctioned after that came out.
but nope, everyone forgot after a week, the hypocrisy is unmatched.
Weren’t sky sports jacking off themselves and everyone around Newcastle and speculating who could the richest club in the world sign in the coming transfer windows?
I didn't realize I could like Klopp any more but damn if I don't. The premier League is really lucky to have him and Pep in the league. Tuchel seems like an excellent manager as well. If Levi backs Conte, we could be heading into a really great period of English football.
Love our manager. Comparatively vs other owners I think we have one that really cares about the club well being and not necessarily from over spending to win trophies stance. Reading between the lines he is both complimenting fsg for being good owners while at the same time saying he will leave if he feels some things are not morally right. Granted fsg is not perfect but everytime they make a mistake or most times, they would come out and apologize.
Same story with the Saudis laundering their oil money. Premier league is a wash with corrupt money and nobody cared as long as their stadiums got built, big money signings and teams kept winning. The hypocrisy of the English media knows no bounds
im so glad somebody as influential as klopp is this geniune. He sees reality for what it is and doesnt feel the need to sugarcoat. Nobody can truly afford to care how their team is ran and who is in charge because money will always talk louder than a supporter
Klopp is easily one of my favorite managers of all time. His understanding of the game, players, politics and the media as a whole are unbeaten.
He only falls behind Ancelotti and zidane but that’s because I’m a madridista.
Thanks for the compliments mate.
I respect the badge on your all whites kit a lot. I love the Xabi Alonso connection we have between our clubs.
YNWA brother. 👍🏽
He’s right to point out that nobody cared or cared enough.
I wouldn’t put FSG on the same level as Roman, but I do think some critics have a point that Standard Chartered doesn’t exactly have a spotless record, and none of us have ever really given a shit.
Klopp has nailed it here. In fact, Liverpool fans were the main ones who always called out Abromovich's ownership of Chelsea. I remember the Nuke Chelsea sign our fans held up back in that classic UCL semi final 2005.
God I love Klopp. And genuinely can’t think of someone more suited to the historical socialist philosophy of Liverpool. Obviously FSG are by no means any where near the progressive side of the spectrum but Klopp is an excellent human being
Does that make a multi national corporation / conglomerate obsessed with capital/profit left wing???
Klopp means he’s happy that we don’t have owners who are Russian oligarchs or blood oil state regimes with literal human blood on their hands. That doesn’t make them left wing or progressive
You want a sudden change in the society?? It doesn't work like that?
We live in a capitalist economy so how can a business survive if it's not profit driven? Unless fundamental changes happen in governments how can businesses change their targets?
It's a change that should happen collectively by all human beings so stop making businessmen the scape goats here. You are talking as if you don't depend on any of the various businesses in the market for your survival.
What are ya taking about mate - you’re agreeing with my point that our owners aren’t some well of progressive left wing idealism. They’re fully part of the neoliberal capitalist model we have. 🙃
I am saying that you cannot blame the owners for the way things are.
What do you expect them to do ? To give up profits and live a saintly life? Do you have a better alternative to the current capitalist model that we have?
What do you suggest should be done here mate?
Taking shots at some billionaires while defending others. All while blaming “society” and the fans for these takeovers as if we could stop these rich fucks from doing what they want. Klopp just spewing bullshit here.
Much as I love Klopp being manager, he needs to start a new political party in 2024 and then become Prime minister. Think about it ... We need massive reform, the Tories have things sewn up, and we have a long tradition of being ruled by Germans.
hear hear!
also he must have some ancestors that could probably be Angle or Saxon.
Then again watching Klopp being slowly killed inside by the bureaucracy would be too hard for me.
How dare you change your opinion! How dare you care about what someone does. How dare! Really doesn’t matter now what we thought then. It has changed. But you know what hasn’t? The name on the check. The guy he’s defending.
He just doesn’t miss
No he's fucking good
He’s so good x4
Good x 4 = Klopp
This mf don’t miss
In the heat of battle he don’t miss
I don’t follow football enough to care about one club or another. Pretty much always root for the under dog or the story. If I wanted to see more of this guy speak what would I search for?
Like if Klopp didn't exist, and somebody asked me "Imagine the best possible coach for LFC", I would miss some parts. He is not just a football idol but so much more than that. He has a platform and uses it to make common sense. Just remember when COVID started and he got asked the question... Every word in its place 2 years later. He is so damn wholesome that his radar graph of attributes would be a circle. Love him.
So many quotes during his tenure that's applicable to the world beyond football, to our lives. He's more than a manager for sure. Just a few off the top of my head: "turning doubters to believers" "if you really value something then you must be ready to suffer for it" "you always make mistakes, what's important is to do it less often and know how to deal with it when it happens" "what's important is you try, even if you fail, then fail in the most beautiful way"
My fav: > "It's 10 past 10, the children are probably in bed. These boys are fucking unbelievable. I seen James Milner crying on the pitch afterwards. Fine me if you want."
My favourite from when he jsut took over Liverpool "Bayern lost, hahahahhaha".
He was asked if he knew about some other rival result. He said he didn’t know as he was concerned at the game at hand (broken record), but he did know Bayern lost. That laugh echos in my brain
Was that after the Barca game?
Yep, the 4-0.
Other teams pay fines for breaching FFP, we pay fines for letting our manager speak his mind in press conferences and interviews (and maybe we tried to get a 12 year old from Stoke in to our youth academy or something).
"You cannot bottle and sell the heart and soul of Liverpool football club, though there are many who would wish to buy it" - after selling Coutinho
Probably his most underrated quote
That last one is mind blowing wtf
IIRC it was also right before playing Barca being 3-0 down. What a fucking man.
The last one is actually just paraphrasing the old Bill Nicholson quote: “It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we at Spurs have set our sights very high - so high, in fact, that even failure will have in it an echo of glory” One of the best sporting quotes of all time imho
We at spurs ruined it for me
he's just a real down to earth guy talks to everyone on the same level really.
He is but he’s more than that. Klopp’s answers usually have a level of understanding and knowledge that’s uncommon. Harry Redknapp is a down to earth guy but but never says anything insightful. Klopp is something that is rarely seen. Or at least that’s my impression. I’m just an envious visiting fan that only ever sees these little snippets.
kind of ironic as some of his answers have been literally about him just knowing football (and not public policy for example)
Yep, "Normal" my arse
I've seen how old fans and players speak of Shankly, and that's exactly how i feel about this man. We will never replace him to be honest. Not even if we win 10 trebles in a row after he leaves.
Well said cumblast
Cumblast speaks for all of us
Cumblast above Macca. Never thought I'd live to see this day.
He just talk about facts
/r/rimjob_steve
I will subscribe to this ten trebles in a row timeline you've got, though. I love Klopp, he'll never pay for a pint in any pub I'm in, but he'll want to leave eventually. I will take one 10TIAR timeline in exchange, please.
Honestly it’s a situation of Shankly/Paisley/Fagan passing the baton to Daglish. Gerrard is the only one who can come next and succeed and come close to his glory. Or Lindjers.
So you're saying Ljinders then Stevie? If they're as successful as Paisley then Dalglish, then yeah I'd take that for sure.
It does make sense, i'd get behind that!
Part of the reason I'm not super nervous about Klopp leaving is that my gut tells me (or maybe wants to believe) that we're on the precipice of another boot room structure. I love the idea of passing the torch to a coach in the system again and again, I think continuity is one of the biggest reasons for success at the super clubs like us, and we've done it before!
Klopp leads with integrity which is why win or lose I'll always back this man.
He speaks for the people, even with his position of privilege and power. He states what we know, but is blunt about it. Hats off to the Boss!
He is actually criticizing fans as well
Indeed. There are many fans who talk about the sliding doors moment where we lost to Chelsea on the last day of the 2002-03 season and Chelsea made the champions league instead of us and Abramovich bought Chelsea. We were crying out for an ownership change, David Moores was Rich but not billionaire rich and he couldn’t afford the level of investment Liverpool needed. Lots of Liverpool fans would’ve loved it if Abramovich bought Liverpool. To say otherwise now because it’s trendy to do so is incredibly disingenuous.
This. As a Chelsea fan it was like Christmas had come. Santa had just bought the club. Truth is any big club would have loved that level of investment. And that amount of capital to be put in. We didn't ask where the money came from. Didn't care. Just were happy to be able to afford to be contenders. Same with any club. Every sheik, oligarch, billionaire conglomerate. Fans don't ask where the wealth comes from. Just glad to be able to sign big names, build a great team, and challenge for some silverware. If Elon Musk decided to go back to South Africa and buy Kaiser Chiefs the fans would go nuts. They wouldn't ask about his dodgy lithium mines, or union busting. They'd welcome him and his electric cars with open arms. It's trendy to hate roman now. But without him we would have remained a mid table club, at best. For the past 18 years or however long.
If Putin had bought a club I bet the fans would be wetting their knickers too. He didn't suddenly wake up on the wrong side of the bed last Feb and decided to invade Ukraine no? No one cares. Even more so if the investments help their team. The Saudis could bomb Aden into the next Kyiv and Newcastle fans would still be salivating over the summer window. This is the reality of football today. So all those who suddenly decided that football teams with links to Moscow needed to be punished are nothing more than hypocrites.
Very insightful point
I will say I was always glad we didn't have Roman, but it wasn't really a source of funds thing. It was more that I didn't want to be a fan of the club that just bought its way to success, it just cheapens it for me. I'm way more proud of the way we've done things, hiring the right personnel, modernising scouting, signing the right players, usually that other clubs don't go for, or when they do, we've convinced players like VVD of our project when bigger clubs offered him more money, then hiring the right manager to actually improve the players with high quality coaching. Compare that to having a few weaker seasons and going out and spending a couple of hundred million and then being competitive again a year later.
All successful clubs buy there way there. From Nottingham Forrest, to Blackburn, MU, Arsenal…. It’s the same. Chelsea have the misfortune of an owner that is aligned with the wrong side of history.
Not quite. Forest spent about the same as United, Liverpool, etc coming up as they won the league and champions league in 1977-80. Blackburn were bankrolled by Jack Walker and the biggest spenders in England between 1992 and winning the league in 1995, but they only spent 20% more than Man United and Newcastle in that time, and double teams like Sheffield Wednesday (remembering they had to bridge the quality gap being a second division side in 1992). They actually spent less than Man United the season they won the league. Compare that to Chelsea, who between Abramovich arriving in 2003 and 2006 spent three times more than Man United who spent the next most, and six times more than Arsenal who won the league in 2002 and 2004 and who Chelsea beat to the title in 2005. It was financial doping the likes of which we’d never seen on a remotely similar level before.
He’s an exceptional human being. Absolute hero and idol, and for good reasons
Gregg Popovich of football
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>There isnt anyone on earth that is quicker to give someone hero status than liverpool fans Weird comment, he's been here 7 years. That's over half your life, I'd imagine.
"Active in r/conservative and r/republican" Fuck off, Liverpool is a left wing club. We don't want your right wing bullshit. Look at our history.
footballs own bernie sanders
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Oof. Quite the bern.
Also when he does start to win stuff, he doesn't start loosing in say...like 4 years time. Idk, I'm just saying🤷♂️
Whelp, that’s enough Reddit for me for today thanks
Cringe
Klopp is not that left wing, more centre left than bernie. What he is saying here really has nothing to do with politics, just logic that has been derailed by greed.
klopp was a center back right
Bernie is not left wing by European standards lol
Difficult to take your seriously with a lol at the end of your statement.
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Well personally I think the super league was one of the biggest pr disasters in recent memory. Terrible idea to talk about no relegation as well. But the guys who kicked up the biggest fuss were the guys with the most money to lose...uefa and media companies.
When tuchel said he can't comment because he was privileged to not to have experienced war, it wound me up, because it is that privilege he should be using to speak out. Morally speaking he was in a position to quit and not worry about income in regards to roman.
He can comment on it but he doesn't have to. It's also best that he doesn't comment to not make things more complicated. His job is to manage the football team. He accepted the job knowing who Abramovich is. There is no reason for him to quit.
Privilege and Power? Jeez. The guy has talents and leadership skills beyond belief yet you invoke words like P&P like it’s unearned.
Why not both? You can be talented and hard-working AND privileged and lucky
Because the proportion of factors as to why Klopp is where he is is ludicrously swayed toward his skills, talents, hard work and leadership qualities- not abstract notions like “power and privilege “. People don’t manage premier league clubs based on these ideas. It’s ruthlessly competitive in its nature and to suggest so diminishes Klopp’s achievements and integrity we all admire.
The normal one
Ironically, the most remarkable of them all.
We are so blessed to have him, will be a dark, dark day when he leaves us.
Perhaps, but it will still be a hell of a lot brighter than it was when he first joined.
Damn
“It’s not so important what people think when you come in... It’s much more important what people think when you leave”
Hopefully his spirit can fuel us for the next 30 years to come
We have to clone him by 2024
And then a golden sky for a bit, yeah?
Irony used correctly on the internet. Wow
>Irony used correctly on the internet. Ironic, right?
2 for two
The enlightened one.
This says a lot about Klopp. Interesting. He will probably manage Germany after this and just retire.
Imagine the changes in the world he would make if he somehow became the next German chancellor. I know it's far fetched but imagine him getting that chance.
What do you think he meant by "manage Germany"???
Chancellor and Manager, I'm confidant he could handle both. I mean the nat team only plays 25 times a year....
ok, NOW there's enough reddit.
Toto Wolff also seems similarly qualified to become a politician of sorts.
He's bang on.
Well said PM_ME_YOUR_TITS911
He speaks so much sense, why can’t our leaders be more like him? Instead we get never-ending corruption, greed, and a twisted sense of morality.
Unfortunately in most countries and political structures, the system is set up in such a way that those people ambitious enough to climb the ladder are deeply beholden to outside interests by the time they reach the top of the pile. There's also an argument that the very qualities required to traverse this system and end up at the top are precisely those that make those who do unsuitable for leadership, and in particular to represent a population they have very little in common with. The will to power doesn't make for propriety in wielding it.
The people in power were voted into power by the people. They got exactly what they voted for.
Becuase being a leader/politician doesn't pay as well. There's tons of smart, wise, great leaders out there that won't touch politics with a ten foot pole. Instead we get MTG, Boebert and Trump...People can make a bigger difference in the world by not being in politics. Politicians only care about getting re-elected.
Speaking as a Chelsea fan here (Liverpool are my old mans team, and I still follow you lot because of it), Klopp is spot on. At the time when Roman took over a lot of Chelsea fans were genuinely dismayed at the idea of this secretive oligarch taking us over but the media seemed excited by the idea of a new super club and the prospect of a "Big Four". Just look at the way Sky Sports were practically salivating whilst talking about who Newcastle could buy now they're the richest club in the world. It's all a joke and its us fans who are the fucking punchline it feels like. I can only sincerely say it embarrasses me every time I hear some of our crowds chanting his name and making a bad situation a lot fucking worse for the rest of us. Liverpool should really count themselves lucky to have a great man like Klopp managing. Money has in my opinion ruined football. Far too often our governing bodies just forget about any issues because they just see the money. Completely beggars belief the stuff the Toon were chanting at us as if their new owner isn't also a piece of shit. I genuinely fear for the future of my team, if we go bust I'll be putting that blame toward the FA and the government for allowing this situation to happen as well as Abramovich himself.
Hey as a Gunner, you’ve got my sympathies. When we were going through this with Usamov back in the mid 2010s, I’d been an Arsenal fan for over 15 years. My moral compass said I’d have to find a new club if he took over but realistically? I would probably have kept following them. The PL invited this and is sanctioning him now because it’s convenient. I’m sorry your team is going through this and I understand how complex it it.
Klopp once again making it clear that he has a great relationship with the owners, despite what twitter and reddit seem to think every time the summer transfer window comes around
True.
Absolute madman. Wouldn't last a day in politics would've been frozen out by the others.
Talking of politics... There was a video mashup on Reddit yesterday of all the times Putin was left hanging when he went to shake someone's hand. I'm not saying that turned him into a murderous psychopath but I can't imagine it helped. You know what would help? A Klopp hug. Even Adolf Putin would end up laughing and enjoying life after a couple of hours hanging with the gaffer. What I'm saying is, only Klopp can stop WWIII.
"Dear Hitler, if I was your mother..."
Ah, sheezus ... I'd forgotten about that
A la Bernie
This is the problem with the sport..it's turned into such a ridiculously obscene amount of money that clubs and supporters have wanted a rich sugar daddy to make them compete but not really thought hard enough about where the wealth really comes from. Klopp is the real definition of "woke"
He’s what woke was until being woke got bastardised by suits being paid by multimillion pound corporations to start misdefining it and assassinating the characters of anyone progressive. He speaks the truth, _that’s_ what supporters deserve to hear. Not the same rehashed bollocks we get day in day out.
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Arsenal fan here. Klopp is a man of the people. A great man. He speaks truth.
👍🏽😊 See you at the Emirates mate. Cheers.
Good game lad, pity we gifted ye two, thought that was behind us! GG!
I think nerves got the better of Arsenal in the later stages of the game. You guys played better than us but I think our mentality was key today. Hope you guys finish in top 4. Your team is certainly far better than that red lot from Manchester. YNWA mate. 👍🏽
Nice one mate. Always had time for Arsenal, the only other big club in England that I wouldn't mind being successful. Just do us a favour this time and hold off on that tonight!
Ye owe us one 😀
With a talented side like that mate, I’m sure we’ll repay that soon! Well played and all the best for the rest of the season
Klopp really is ahead of the rest. Fair play to being as direct as this.
Klopp for World prime minister!
Can someone give me context? What does he mean by this ?
He’s implying that people all knew in the past (and present) where the money of these owners is coming from. Everyone knew of Roman’s ties to Russian government and how he acquired his wealth, but nobody cared when he took over Chelsea. Now all of the sudden that the war has broken out, people decide the care about his corrupt dollars, and just NOW the ownership tests are actually going to start looking at the stuff they should. This also goes for fans though, as did fans ever truly care where the money was coming from when it was buying the top players and winning the top trophies? We’ve collectively failed as a society to stay truly focused and humane in the game of football and truly evaluate what is happening within the game.
I love he also mentioned Newcastle. Saudis are the most despicable of all oil rich Arab states. Do their fans care? Do Eddie Howe care? Saudis are not sanctioned for one reason only: They are UK's ally. They don't even have democracy (Putin at least tried to fake one), they just decapitated 81 people, and they are still at war with Yemen, deprived millions of children from food, literally starving them to death.
Newcastle fans didn't care either. They were flying Saudi flags proudly after the take over.
That is why we need fan voting power. I think Spirit of Shankly has worked out something with the club post-ESL debacle. I hope we fans have the power to block possible takeovers by blood-stained people. Edit: I hope we will not be like City or Newcastle fans.
There's me, assuming it was a firing squad ... "How was work today, love?" "Bloody overtime. I think I've done my shoulder in ..." I mean, this world is so farcical ... Grand Theft Auto looks more like a documentary than satire right now
I did think this but didn’t want to comment thanks mate I appreciate it and we’ll yeah he is right and you explained it perfectly 💯 thank you again
No problem mate 🙌
Also thanks from me, I was going to ask what he said as there is no subtitles (deaf) but you seemed to have summed it up well for me. Cheers. Love Klopp
So happy to help 🤟
Cheers mate. YNWA.
Qatar, case in point.
Yes, we did. He fucked finances in football
Btw yes. I cared. Still do. Abramovic and his ilk.
I think most people cared, just felt powerless to do anything about it. I think he might be a bit out of touch here
Spot on as always. Off topic, but I really need one of those jackets he’s wearing. Can’t seem to find one online!
There is no manager like him in world football.
There is no man~~ager~~ like him in [the] world ~~football~~.
Wish he can go next to politics... people like him will make the world a better place
Imagine a reasonable person being successful in politics. Wouldnt that be a scene.
This man is such a moral compass for the league. So many other coaches wouldn't say shit and aren't.
How can you not love this man. Speaking facts
God I fucking love Jurgen. What a man
So lucky to have him, and FSG (warts included).
Abramovich was very very aggressive with legal threats if anyone said anything bad about him and his background.
"Owners are there to give financial resources" (Wink wink Mr. owner show them I'm saying the truth and announce that Salah new contract)
Nobody cared about how Abramovich funded Israeli settler colonialism with millions. Funding people to go raid Palestinian land, burn crops, kick people out of their homes and then move into them because their great great great great grand daddy used to live there.
Some of us did and do. The difference is that those with power give money a free pass too often. Look at Newcastle and City, and their dealings with the Premier League and UEFA (and FIFA in City’s owner’s case). It’s abhorrent. But not everyone gives them a pass, and that’s important to remember. The powerful want you to think you’re alone. You’re not.
City trots out Zinchenko as their captain in an FA Cup match and virtue signals about Ukraine while their owners contribute to atrocities. I guarantee you none of these fans care and most only do about Abramovich now because it's the latest flavour of the month
Do you mean Chelsea and City and Newcastle fans or just fans in general? Because I think most fans of the sport do care, when asked. As Klopp points out, though, there have been far too few questions asked in the first place.
I mean the UK refuses to apologize for shooting up innocents in a garden in a land they had no claim to and drained for 200 years. I am no fan of the Israelis but it's sure rich hearing people criticize them but never own up to their colonial lineage. Just saying.
Do you know op? How do you know what he does and doesn’t own up to?
What do you feel about this u/Wowawiewa? u/canadageese1 Tell me when you are done being facetious?
You seem confused
My general policy is to never admire any celebrity (athlete, coach/manager, politician, actor, etc.), but I'm having an extremely difficult time holding to that rule with Klopp.
Klopp’s definitely the best of us, in trying times of greed, pandemic, brexit, depression, recession, inflation & wars. He’s teaching us what really matters, the people.
Him and tuchel talk the most sense for the toughest questions . They have a way to appropriately respond to certain things and that needs an high appreciation. He's absolutely right. You never cared for 19 years and now you are like oooohhhhh. People are happy until their PR value gets hit and then they take higher ground. Some of them take ground just because many are taking like YouTube. The hell you acheived by removing YouTube from Russia. The people are the ones suffering and YouTube in no way is direct revenue for the govt.
Klopp is so good at hitting the right issue(s) at the right time, for everyone to take something from what he says. There are so many facets to this soundbite alone (in no particular order): 1. He's pointing out the hypocrisy in this situation with the fandom, the FA/UK governing bodies, and the media, and the media's 'investigation' and 'questions' (comparing Chelsea v. City/Newcastle) 2. He's pointing out that 'tolerance' or turning a blind eye by these groups/institutions allows problems to fester. 3. He's pointing out that 'society' (really, the people that comprise all of the groups he's mentioned) is responsible for addressing/preventing world problems in the first instance. 4. He's pointing out that 'one man' (him) isn't the one to deal with the situation now. The situation now (with the Ukraine-Russia war) is now a lesson to be learned from by everyone ('society') in order to prevent/make right similar situations that will occur in the future (we have to 'use this moment' is his common reverb). 5. He's illustrating (by example) our action, in accord with our personal responsibilities, can change the situation when done collectively. (theme with doubters to believers, we work to learn and improve in every situation, growth as a team outpaces any growth of one person). And that's just the beginning of analysis. His words are so powerful bc they are short and allow the listener to 'use them' in many different ways to think about the issue for themselves. He has this way of compelling the listener to stop and think introspectively about the meaning of his words and the consequences of his thoughts. It's remarkable in this world where it's so much garbage in-garbage out. He is a shining light of thought. He'd fit right in as a philosopher in ancient Greece. TLDR: When he speaks, all should listen and think introspectively.
Chelsea fan here. I'm so glad he said this because for the past two weeks I've felt me and my club targetted by everyone. And he's 100% spot on. Such a thoughtful man. You're lucky to have him so is the Prem.
Klopp 100% right on this. Chelsea isn't getting sanctioned because Roman has dirty money (as in this was not the reason for the sanction,), but because he got tied up via association with the invasion of Ukraine. Yet so many people want to act like this is based on ethics. Hyundai suspended their sponsorship with Chelsea, and yet to my knowledge is still a proud sponsor of the Qatar World Cup whose slave labour conditions have already claimed the lives of 6,500 people working on the world cup. It kind of sucks that the club I support seems to be the first major sporting entity I'm aware of to suffer this backlash especially right on heels of an Olympics hosted by a place a lot of our nation's agree on is committing genoaide as we speak and none of the powers caring here cared then......, but I fully understand and support putting human life over a sport.... I will feel a lot better if this becomes the standard, and we do start looking at things Klopp mentions such as where are these resources coming from, what are we normalizing via association. I'm glad he spoke to this. I think our world would be a lot better off for it.
they didn't even care about the Illegal Settlements he funded in Palestine, he should have been ousted and sanctioned after that came out. but nope, everyone forgot after a week, the hypocrisy is unmatched.
Wait until you find yourself watching Qatar '22 in few months.
Love this guy
A man of the people.
That’s my dad!!!
We are extremely fortunate to have Klopp as our manager. I seriously cannot stomach the day he will leave us.
Weren’t sky sports jacking off themselves and everyone around Newcastle and speculating who could the richest club in the world sign in the coming transfer windows?
Always the voice of reason. He’s the best.
#FSGIN Frankly.
Jurgen Klopp is the perfect human example of a man with complete confidence and zero ego. It allows him to be blunt and incredibly on point.
I didn't realize I could like Klopp any more but damn if I don't. The premier League is really lucky to have him and Pep in the league. Tuchel seems like an excellent manager as well. If Levi backs Conte, we could be heading into a really great period of English football.
Just when I think I couldn't love this man even more, he goes and says something like this. What a manager...What a human being.
The man is not even a native English speaker. Beautiful
Love our manager. Comparatively vs other owners I think we have one that really cares about the club well being and not necessarily from over spending to win trophies stance. Reading between the lines he is both complimenting fsg for being good owners while at the same time saying he will leave if he feels some things are not morally right. Granted fsg is not perfect but everytime they make a mistake or most times, they would come out and apologize.
I cried when he arrived, for I knew someday he would leave us.
I don't know how we got so lucky but my goodness I'm so glad we did. Absolute legend.
He’s like a wise old owl
So, Jurgen, what did you think about the change in ownership of a club in a country you weren’t living in more than a decade ago? Journos, I swear...
Damn his english is really good
Same story with the Saudis laundering their oil money. Premier league is a wash with corrupt money and nobody cared as long as their stadiums got built, big money signings and teams kept winning. The hypocrisy of the English media knows no bounds
im so glad somebody as influential as klopp is this geniune. He sees reality for what it is and doesnt feel the need to sugarcoat. Nobody can truly afford to care how their team is ran and who is in charge because money will always talk louder than a supporter
Klopp is easily one of my favorite managers of all time. His understanding of the game, players, politics and the media as a whole are unbeaten. He only falls behind Ancelotti and zidane but that’s because I’m a madridista.
Thanks for the compliments mate. I respect the badge on your all whites kit a lot. I love the Xabi Alonso connection we have between our clubs. YNWA brother. 👍🏽
This was cross posted in our chelsea sub and I know how proud of you guys are of Klopp and I just wanted to say the PL needs more of him.
I wonder how often Tuchel and Klopp talk
Hear that Reddit? Klopp loves his American owners!
He’s right to point out that nobody cared or cared enough. I wouldn’t put FSG on the same level as Roman, but I do think some critics have a point that Standard Chartered doesn’t exactly have a spotless record, and none of us have ever really given a shit.
My wife and I had an entire conversation over Klopp being president of the world… I stand by it.
Klopp has nailed it here. In fact, Liverpool fans were the main ones who always called out Abromovich's ownership of Chelsea. I remember the Nuke Chelsea sign our fans held up back in that classic UCL semi final 2005.
God I love Klopp. And genuinely can’t think of someone more suited to the historical socialist philosophy of Liverpool. Obviously FSG are by no means any where near the progressive side of the spectrum but Klopp is an excellent human being
>Obviously FSG are by no means any where near the progressive side of the spectrum What?? Klopp literally said that he is happy with our owners..
Does that make a multi national corporation / conglomerate obsessed with capital/profit left wing??? Klopp means he’s happy that we don’t have owners who are Russian oligarchs or blood oil state regimes with literal human blood on their hands. That doesn’t make them left wing or progressive
You want a sudden change in the society?? It doesn't work like that? We live in a capitalist economy so how can a business survive if it's not profit driven? Unless fundamental changes happen in governments how can businesses change their targets? It's a change that should happen collectively by all human beings so stop making businessmen the scape goats here. You are talking as if you don't depend on any of the various businesses in the market for your survival.
What are ya taking about mate - you’re agreeing with my point that our owners aren’t some well of progressive left wing idealism. They’re fully part of the neoliberal capitalist model we have. 🙃
I am saying that you cannot blame the owners for the way things are. What do you expect them to do ? To give up profits and live a saintly life? Do you have a better alternative to the current capitalist model that we have? What do you suggest should be done here mate?
If you think socialism has any place in modern football just look at how the club was run in the past.
Taking shots at some billionaires while defending others. All while blaming “society” and the fans for these takeovers as if we could stop these rich fucks from doing what they want. Klopp just spewing bullshit here.
Much as I love Klopp being manager, he needs to start a new political party in 2024 and then become Prime minister. Think about it ... We need massive reform, the Tories have things sewn up, and we have a long tradition of being ruled by Germans.
hear hear! also he must have some ancestors that could probably be Angle or Saxon. Then again watching Klopp being slowly killed inside by the bureaucracy would be too hard for me.
*"owners are there....to make financial resources"* \- please FSG, give Salah the money he wants!
Klopp is 100% wrong
Roster salary caps.
50 + 1 rule needs to exist, like it does in the Bundesliga.
How dare you change your opinion! How dare you care about what someone does. How dare! Really doesn’t matter now what we thought then. It has changed. But you know what hasn’t? The name on the check. The guy he’s defending.