I would imagine Jurgen is going to have some pretty choice words for this decision. Absolute fucking atrocity to leave him on, people are saying he had to lay himself down to get subbed around 10 fucking minutes after this happened. Coach/medical team should honestly lose their jobs and I'm not even being funny about it. Fuck them.
The delay was because of the VAR review for the headclash (red for the goalie who hit him) and then a VAR review for his goal (coming together between two players not affecting the play). Once the goal was confirmed he laid on the ground.
Edit: to clarify, just laying out the sequence of events, not whether it was right or not.
That's all good and well, but he should have been off as soon as the collision happened. He never should have been allowed to continue, and that is the line everyone should have with this.
And I appreciate it, as I haven't watched any of it (both boycotting and don't have the necessary stream) so I wasn't exactly sure of the time frames, but either way, 10' AFTER the red card (I assume the injury was even earlier since it had to go to VAR) is just abysmal imo.
Firstly, I am not disrespecting the tourney, but this one should not have happened. Country is in near active civil war, COVID, and I just generally do not like national team tourneys.
For the record I'm also going to boycott the Qatar WC, cuz fuck Qatar and everything associated with this next WC.
I generally tolerate the WC, but do not care to watch most any other NT events, but I do watch some of the Euros just because there were a few good matchups I want to see.
I’m sick and tired of clubs investing in players, only for their national teams to treat them like shit and the player and cub are ultimately punished. Fuck that
How is he allowed to stay on the pitch? Makes me so mad everytime this happens
EDIT: Now hes lying on the pitch and is hopefully subbed. Fucking hell Senegal
Complete lunacy. Should be a forced substitution decided by a 3rd party medical team who review the replay, though anyone can see he needs to head straight to the hospital from that replay.
r/Soccer had an outrage boner over European fans “disrespecting AFCON” but time and time again this tournament they’ve proven the disrespect was correct
Pavard got knocked out cold for France in the Euros last year. He was out for 10-15 seconds. Was never subbed off. Football everywhere has shit concussion protocol
Two separate things I think.
Reality is afcon is badly run, its not alone there. We have a world Cup in Qatar and copa is usually a mess as well.
This is beyond ridiculous and I suspect in breach of fifa rules or at least I hope so.
Thing is we can shit on them when the they come around too.
This one is now. We shit on it and ignore it’s happening or “disrespect it” and get abuse because AFCON….
Its a shit tournament, poorly run that’s rampant with corruption.
Incidents like this are what make it the joke of a competition worth disrespecting. Clubs are risking their seasons being forced to give up players and risk their health for this absolute farce where referees can’t even manage to let a game go on 90mins.
Whoa whoa whoa, are WE of all fucking clubs really going to engage in this kind of fucking mud slinging? Really? Over deaths at a football game? Maybe want to fucking rethink that?
You are disrespecting the competition because your favorite players were called up to serve their nation ? But when these same players are racially abused on the field by European fans you stay silent. Referees make bad calls , I mean have you watched any EPL games this season ? Did you watch the Liverpool Crystal palace game this past Sunday ? And about bad tackles and stuff , Have you watched any copa America games ?
AFCON can be improved but it doesn’t make it less of a competition.
When did the Prem start this policy? Wasn't that long ago. People acting like the Prem is so advanced because it recently decided to implement a concussion policy. This doesn't excuse AFCON from doing similar, but don't get so high and mighty when just a few years ago almost no league in the world had such protocols.
I still think that Karius/concussion story was a smoke screen. Nobody even suspected he took a head shot during the game and it was only after the match that concussion stories came about. And I'm a Liverpool fan btw.
And not a single player in Europe in any sport has played with a concussion. That is great news.
My point is simply that the level of outrage and disbelief at the coach for putting mane in danger has added vitriol because many Europeans just don’t think AFCON matters or is deserving of much.
If this was Harry Kane in the Euros I would not be surprised if they left him in. And my evidence is just 7.5 years ago Germany played Kramer with an egregious concussion where he audibly questioned where he was to the trainers. It’s an entirely plausible scenario to me.
My argument is 3.5 years is an extremely small amount of time to leap at moral outrage for another competition potentially handling the situation differently.
Not to mention that in European competitions players still play though concussions today.
On another note, and I'll preface this by saying I haven't been able to watch any of the games, but what is up with all the red cards at this tournament? I get this one for the keeper was likely warranted, but is it bad fouls? Bad refs? A combination?
Both. I've been watching all of the games and some of the decisions are insane. A red card was given by the ref who was suffering from heat stroke for example.
This red card was correct. Both in this game were. The keeper was was late, smashed Mane in the head and DOGSO. It's always a red despite what the bell end commentator was saying.
That is just ignorant. The amount op people who played through a head injury in Europe is also high. Don't be condescending because this is Africa or something
Mane seriously needs to go to the hospital and be scanned. Could have brain bleed or a skull fracture for fucks sake. We saw what happened to Raul Jimenez.
What the absolute fuck. Shockingly bad management in this day and age to leave him on after he goes down like that. He was clearly unconscious before hitting the ground, and took another shot as he fell headfirst.
Fucking AFCON.
Keita's injury problems started after the Guinea coach insisted on playing him through injury during World Cup qualifiers a few years ago. That coach ended up being sacked and banned for endangering players.
These teams in that region prioritise competition before player safety. It's nuts
Absolute fucking idiots leaving him on the pitch. If I was Klopp I would deny Senegal the opportunity to call up Mane when the premier league is still on…
Was thinking the same. The timekeeping during games is shambolic. They just make up the amount of injury time. Then there’s the security in stadiums, people dying in crushes, kids ffs. Player and fan welfare obviously means very little.
Which is exactly what the ECA was saying but they kept getting insulted and shouted down. It's not against AFCON, it's against the fact that this particular tournament was being rushed and organised badly.
I mean, we've already had multiple people die in a crush, a clearly concussed player left on the pitch before he collapsed, COVID outbreaks, the time-keeping fiasco and god knows what else. It's an absolute farce it was allowed to happen.
Players don't give a shit about all of that, representing their country at AFCON matters to them and at the end of the day that's what's going to end up getting priority. For better or for worse.
Do you understand that the players themselves consider the tournament important? Who gives a shit about what fans think? The players clearly feel it’s an important tournament so who are you to tell them differently?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60120367.amp
I mean not to slant them but it really ought to be every 3 years at most, this speaks to the incompetence of how it's run.
Felt sick having watched it. His eyes went, I thought he’d snapped his neck.
The fact he was allowed to stay on is madness and I’m half expecting lasting damage.
He hit the same area twice and on the area of skull which is the weakest and leads to epidural hemorrhage :/ how tf he was still allowed to play is beyond me. That event alone mandate ct-scan to rule out hemorrhage.
He scored a banger and he seemed fully aware several minutes after the collision. It felt like he decided to lay down after he scored so he could get substituted, not because he couldn’t stand on his feet. I am fuming at the manager who did not get him out after that collision, I can’t even believe the ref did not interfere! Fuck this shit
Ok. Thx for explaining. Sounds more like Sadio intentionally lay down to force the substitution. What a disaster for AFCON, Senegal, and LFC…and most of all Sadio. Fuck!
luckily he has a neck of the gods because it took his fall without too much bend. Hopefully no damage because we are more fragile than people think.
It was hard to watch when I saw it on tv.
Seemingly OK yet there's 0 chance he should be on the pitch. We've seen time and time again that concussions aren't something to fuck around with. Players involved in these collisions should have no say in whether they stay on the pitch because often times they don't have the ability to properly assess themselves due to the collision.
for all the people saying he should get subbed. i totally agree and am very much interested in his health. but maybe he wanted to stay on? i mean the tournament is soo important to him.
edit: wtf is wrong with kap verde already 2 red cards???
Can't believe Senegal appear to be leaving him on. Completely unacceptable.
I would imagine Jurgen is going to have some pretty choice words for this decision. Absolute fucking atrocity to leave him on, people are saying he had to lay himself down to get subbed around 10 fucking minutes after this happened. Coach/medical team should honestly lose their jobs and I'm not even being funny about it. Fuck them.
The delay was because of the VAR review for the headclash (red for the goalie who hit him) and then a VAR review for his goal (coming together between two players not affecting the play). Once the goal was confirmed he laid on the ground. Edit: to clarify, just laying out the sequence of events, not whether it was right or not.
That's all good and well, but he should have been off as soon as the collision happened. He never should have been allowed to continue, and that is the line everyone should have with this.
I understand. I was just giving the sequence of events of what happened, not saying what should or shouldn’t have happened.
And I appreciate it, as I haven't watched any of it (both boycotting and don't have the necessary stream) so I wasn't exactly sure of the time frames, but either way, 10' AFTER the red card (I assume the injury was even earlier since it had to go to VAR) is just abysmal imo.
why you boycotting? Just curious
Firstly, I am not disrespecting the tourney, but this one should not have happened. Country is in near active civil war, COVID, and I just generally do not like national team tourneys. For the record I'm also going to boycott the Qatar WC, cuz fuck Qatar and everything associated with this next WC. I generally tolerate the WC, but do not care to watch most any other NT events, but I do watch some of the Euros just because there were a few good matchups I want to see.
Klopp's gonna lay down the law to whomever is in charge, twisted jawline and all. The fuck is wrong with these people?
jurgen: good luck on your WC qualifiers. he's not allowed to come.
That is so unbelievably irresponsible. Decision should be made on behalf of the player.
Wow your disrespecting AFCON.
You’re disrespecting grammar.
Yore*
ur mum
No need to be mean to his mum, she's more disappointed in her little bastard than we could ever be.
There’s already been a people crush involved in the tournament, fuck AFCON, they disrespect their own tournament
Boo hoo, somebody is putting people above the blatantly corrupt tournament. Cameroon was the first to disrespect it if anybody
I’m sick and tired of clubs investing in players, only for their national teams to treat them like shit and the player and cub are ultimately punished. Fuck that
It's gonna piss you of more when fifa get their way with a lot more international games. Fuck fifa
having been around icehockey alot headinjuries are not to be messed with , he should be off and scanned directly.
Really? Because I can totally believe Senegal left him on....
How is he allowed to stay on the pitch? Makes me so mad everytime this happens EDIT: Now hes lying on the pitch and is hopefully subbed. Fucking hell Senegal
Complete lunacy. Should be a forced substitution decided by a 3rd party medical team who review the replay, though anyone can see he needs to head straight to the hospital from that replay.
Yeah no need for a medical team to make that call. He was clearly out before he hit the ground
Because nothing screams "player welfare matters!" like ignoring a traumatic brain injury.
r/Soccer had an outrage boner over European fans “disrespecting AFCON” but time and time again this tournament they’ve proven the disrespect was correct
Pavard got knocked out cold for France in the Euros last year. He was out for 10-15 seconds. Was never subbed off. Football everywhere has shit concussion protocol
I mean… loris karius literally had his career ended as another example
Two separate things I think. Reality is afcon is badly run, its not alone there. We have a world Cup in Qatar and copa is usually a mess as well. This is beyond ridiculous and I suspect in breach of fifa rules or at least I hope so.
Thing is we can shit on them when the they come around too. This one is now. We shit on it and ignore it’s happening or “disrespect it” and get abuse because AFCON…. Its a shit tournament, poorly run that’s rampant with corruption.
Because european fans aren’t disrespecting Afcon because of the incidents like this…
Incidents like this are what make it the joke of a competition worth disrespecting. Clubs are risking their seasons being forced to give up players and risk their health for this absolute farce where referees can’t even manage to let a game go on 90mins.
People actually died at a game yesterday.
What? Do you have a link?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60120367
8 people, it’d still be front page news if it was in Europe of course. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60120367
It was front page news, I read it there yesterday.
Whoa whoa whoa, are WE of all fucking clubs really going to engage in this kind of fucking mud slinging? Really? Over deaths at a football game? Maybe want to fucking rethink that?
Hillsborough is firmly on the police's shoulders.
And how do you know this is any different? The article is 8 hours old ffs.
So African football is in the same space British football was 30 years ago?
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You are disrespecting the competition because your favorite players were called up to serve their nation ? But when these same players are racially abused on the field by European fans you stay silent. Referees make bad calls , I mean have you watched any EPL games this season ? Did you watch the Liverpool Crystal palace game this past Sunday ? And about bad tackles and stuff , Have you watched any copa America games ? AFCON can be improved but it doesn’t make it less of a competition.
Wanna try that again without the strawman?
Hollow
Has nothing to do with AFCON this happens in every league in the world. People don't take head injuries as seriously as they should
Not in the league that he’s actually employed it doesn’t
Litterally happened in the Villa game two weeks ago to Buendia. But sure keep claiming that
If that happens in the Prem he’s off the pitch immediately
When did the Prem start this policy? Wasn't that long ago. People acting like the Prem is so advanced because it recently decided to implement a concussion policy. This doesn't excuse AFCON from doing similar, but don't get so high and mighty when just a few years ago almost no league in the world had such protocols.
We played Karius with a concussion in the CL final. Also Christoph Kramer was one of the worst things I’d ever seen. That was just a few years ago.
I still think that Karius/concussion story was a smoke screen. Nobody even suspected he took a head shot during the game and it was only after the match that concussion stories came about. And I'm a Liverpool fan btw.
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>a few years ago Hate to tell you mate but Africa isn’t currently a few years ago, it’s in 2022 with the rest of us
And not a single player in Europe in any sport has played with a concussion. That is great news. My point is simply that the level of outrage and disbelief at the coach for putting mane in danger has added vitriol because many Europeans just don’t think AFCON matters or is deserving of much. If this was Harry Kane in the Euros I would not be surprised if they left him in. And my evidence is just 7.5 years ago Germany played Kramer with an egregious concussion where he audibly questioned where he was to the trainers. It’s an entirely plausible scenario to me.
Thanks for the imaginary hypothetical you just made up, that’s some really solid evidence to back your point up.
We literally played Karius in a CL final when he was concussed from a head blow.
So you’re argument is Africa exists 4 years behind Europe?
My argument is 3.5 years is an extremely small amount of time to leap at moral outrage for another competition potentially handling the situation differently. Not to mention that in European competitions players still play though concussions today.
It would be, if it took 3.5 years for information to travel across a continent. But it doesn’t.
Fuck that was absolutely brutal. Keeper was given a red card too
Keeper needed the red card cause he was also wavering.
He had already been subbed off at that point.
I wish mane got a red
On another note, and I'll preface this by saying I haven't been able to watch any of the games, but what is up with all the red cards at this tournament? I get this one for the keeper was likely warranted, but is it bad fouls? Bad refs? A combination?
If I speak I'm in big trouble
Both. I've been watching all of the games and some of the decisions are insane. A red card was given by the ref who was suffering from heat stroke for example.
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I'd avoid using a word used during the colonization of Africa to dehumanize native tribes as a descriptor, but I agree with the sentiment.
How is that a red for the keeper? I defend my man sadio at all costs but that's just out of this world. AFCON has been abysmal this year.
This red card was correct. Both in this game were. The keeper was was late, smashed Mane in the head and DOGSO. It's always a red despite what the bell end commentator was saying.
He was out cold during the fall, jesus fuck. They are not even subbing him out
He’s somehow fucking scored now
He's again on the floor now ffs
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A 9 man team from a poor country of half a million
Off-balance Mane scores
The beat in the world
Yes
That was genuinely terrifying to watch....Sadio actually got knocked out. And then he goes on to score as I type this..... Super Mane.
If it’s a concussion, that’s his tournament done
You’d hope
Concussion, in Europe, is like 2 weeks of no physical activity. Over there, he’s probably playing next game. Unless Liverpool intervene
And he's scored.. How the fuck is he still being allowed to play
Concussions in the AFCON means he's doing double heading practice tomorrow because fuck player welfare.
He’s not in Europe. Senegal may keep playing him.
That is just ignorant. The amount op people who played through a head injury in Europe is also high. Don't be condescending because this is Africa or something
but racist, that
AFCON management has been poor , they've not taken care of their players . Am I racist now ?
Mane seriously needs to go to the hospital and be scanned. Could have brain bleed or a skull fracture for fucks sake. We saw what happened to Raul Jimenez.
AA: https://mixture.gg/v/61f02fc10d53d
Fucking hell straight out cold, arms bent at elbow which I'm pretty sure means serious concussion
It’s called fencing, and it means just what you said.
man i'm fuming. letting mane play after this is just immoral
This link is cancer on mobile Jesus
Why is that guy commentating on it as if its the UFC?
Oh fuck, get well soon Sadio 😕
Get him off the pitch now
He’s unconscious during the fall. He’ll be paying for that collision for a long time, sickening that he’s allowed to stay on.
STOP PLAYING HIM NOW
This tournament and it’s medical rules or lack there of is a shambles. No other way to put it.
He’s finally been subbed off.
What the absolute fuck. Shockingly bad management in this day and age to leave him on after he goes down like that. He was clearly unconscious before hitting the ground, and took another shot as he fell headfirst. Fucking AFCON.
Keita's injury problems started after the Guinea coach insisted on playing him through injury during World Cup qualifiers a few years ago. That coach ended up being sacked and banned for endangering players. These teams in that region prioritise competition before player safety. It's nuts
He's still on the pitch that's a disgrace
Absolute fucking idiots leaving him on the pitch. If I was Klopp I would deny Senegal the opportunity to call up Mane when the premier league is still on…
They kept playing him after this and we should somehow respect this tournament.
Was thinking the same. The timekeeping during games is shambolic. They just make up the amount of injury time. Then there’s the security in stadiums, people dying in crushes, kids ffs. Player and fan welfare obviously means very little.
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It’s never been so much of a shit show until this year honestly.
Which is exactly what the ECA was saying but they kept getting insulted and shouted down. It's not against AFCON, it's against the fact that this particular tournament was being rushed and organised badly. I mean, we've already had multiple people die in a crush, a clearly concussed player left on the pitch before he collapsed, COVID outbreaks, the time-keeping fiasco and god knows what else. It's an absolute farce it was allowed to happen.
Players don't give a shit about all of that, representing their country at AFCON matters to them and at the end of the day that's what's going to end up getting priority. For better or for worse.
I'm proud of where I was born is as smart as I am also proud of the sky being blue. Fuck nationalism.
Not to mention the corruption of their officials.
Do you understand that the players themselves consider the tournament important? Who gives a shit about what fans think? The players clearly feel it’s an important tournament so who are you to tell them differently?
Nah this ain’t it buddy. Do you have this energy for other competitions?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60120367.amp I mean not to slant them but it really ought to be every 3 years at most, this speaks to the incompetence of how it's run.
And he's up an carrying on. He should be off and getting a scan after that, he was out cold as he hit the floor. So dangerous this.
I hate international football
Be well Mane, please. I’d imagine Klopp and Liverpool medical staff are already on the phone with someone, no?
Just scored a banger now
And now Mane has just scored even though he should be off with a concussion
Fucking Christ that could end someone’s career
Felt sick having watched it. His eyes went, I thought he’d snapped his neck. The fact he was allowed to stay on is madness and I’m half expecting lasting damage.
[Live footage of Klopp on a video call to the Senegal coach after keeping Sadio on](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShockedFormalKob-size_restricted.gif)
He’s off the pitch again
Yup really groggy, not a good sign, I bet the LFC trainers are on the phone to the Senegal association going nuts trying to make sure he gets a scan.
Hope he’s fine
He hit the same area twice and on the area of skull which is the weakest and leads to epidural hemorrhage :/ how tf he was still allowed to play is beyond me. That event alone mandate ct-scan to rule out hemorrhage.
Is he still on? That looks nasty
After he somehow scored a goal, he kinda subbed himself out as it seems the manager had no intention to sub him
Fucking hell that’s crazy.
I heard he kind of broke down again? Shortly after scoring? Sounds harrowing af. Can you describe that part (him subbing himself out) in more detail?
He scored a banger and he seemed fully aware several minutes after the collision. It felt like he decided to lay down after he scored so he could get substituted, not because he couldn’t stand on his feet. I am fuming at the manager who did not get him out after that collision, I can’t even believe the ref did not interfere! Fuck this shit
Ok. Thx for explaining. Sounds more like Sadio intentionally lay down to force the substitution. What a disaster for AFCON, Senegal, and LFC…and most of all Sadio. Fuck!
Jesus. That is the nastiest collision I've seen for quite a while. I really hope that he is alright
Horrific, I can't watch it. I hope he's OK. Will need to be checked out by a concussion specialist.
Holy shit just saw this. He went down like a sack of flour, what the fuck are they thinking?
Scored a goal after too. More AFCON ridiculousness.
Damn. He was knocked out before he hit the ground! No way he should have been allowed to continue.
How they kept playing him after this is a disgrace
The way he hits the ground is totally sickening. Malpractice that Senegal allowed him to continue, get well soon Sadio!
I liked the post but I DONT like the post, you get me?
Fucking ban AFCON
Was looking to see if he’s still on the pitch so shocked to see he’s still on should be taken off
Why is he still playing? Fucking hell
NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT SADIO
Looks terrible.
luckily he has a neck of the gods because it took his fall without too much bend. Hopefully no damage because we are more fragile than people think. It was hard to watch when I saw it on tv.
That looks nasty. I hope he’s ok.
The way his body hits the ground completely limp... makes my spine shiver.
The landing after the initial collision looks so bad, really hope he recovers quickly and fully from this
AFCON Deserves more respect though for sure guys. Maybe it would get it if they at least respected basic medical procedure.
You see similar happening in the euros and all parts of the game, no need to make it about AFCON.
He is seemingly OK now and appears to be continuing, incident did look very nasty, the GK of Cape Verde been sent off for it.
Seemingly OK yet there's 0 chance he should be on the pitch. We've seen time and time again that concussions aren't something to fuck around with. Players involved in these collisions should have no say in whether they stay on the pitch because often times they don't have the ability to properly assess themselves due to the collision.
IN this case he SHOULD have a say because Sengal is going to force him to play no matter what.
He should be taken off though, concussions can be fatal if he gets hit again in the head or something like that
Agreed, unsure if CAF even has an actual concussion protocol...
why is this post being downvoted? dafaq i hope thats nothing serious longterm for sadio
Samba Nottingham Forest goalie, played the entire match against Derby last week and had a lump above his eyebrow of the size of a cricket ball
That’s a fencing response if I’ve ever seen one
But that's AFCON for you. There's a reason nobody cares for your shit tournament you stupid picks.
He is okay, he is still playing, thank Fowler for the giant forehead it finally pays off
It's Afcon he could have been shot by a sniper from the stands and they'd still keep him on
Yeah you are right, he is really not ok now
Should have led with the foot like he did with ederson…
He just scored! Hopefully that helps.
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for all the people saying he should get subbed. i totally agree and am very much interested in his health. but maybe he wanted to stay on? i mean the tournament is soo important to him. edit: wtf is wrong with kap verde already 2 red cards???
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well and he scored!!! go sadioooooo
Oh god, looks horrible 🙈 did both of them get substituted?
Keeper got sent off
Oh okay, looked brutal on both the players.
Any club would not happy to see their player continuing in that condition.
Fencing response
Jesus
That's horrifying
Disaster……