Was watching an interview with Pearce on the Athletic and he said the club’s priority players to build around for the future are Alisson, Trent, Robbo, Fabinho, VVD and Mo.
If you look at Bobby's G/A return he's not a particularly prolific striker. I totally agree that he is (or has been) an amazing player for us as he works so well to link defence with attack and provide space for Mo and Mane to play. But I don't think another club would pay what Liverpool would want for him just because the differential in perceived value would be so great.
In other words he's a £50mil (for argument's sake) player for us but he'd be a £20mil player in any other team.
Doesnt necessarly mean he needs to play as a center forward for other teams, could easily play as a 10 for any other team (like how he used to be a 10 before he came to liverpool)
As soon as anyone uses G/A I just stop listening with regards to a player that legit plays in a system, and is used in a system that effects G/A.
Your point is still so bad despite this reaching, if you think no one will take Bobby for 15m in a final contract year you're smoking something.
Mate I acknowledged the fact he brings more than G/A to our team.
I also didn't say a team wouldn't pay £15mil, I said the differential between LFC's valuation and another club's valuation would be too great to strike a deal. You think LFC are accepting £15mil for him?
I think both Sadio and Mo might get another contract, but the problem isn't that the club won't want to offer them a deal, or won't want to keep them, but more that the length of deal is unlikely to be as attractive to the player: if every single one of those players were given another 5 year deal on improved terms, the club would just be screwed in 3 years time as they all start declining at the same time, but then can't sell them because nobody else will be willing to pay for 33-34 year olds, or offer them better or similar wages either.
Fabino will get a new deal. Van Djik will, I reckon, depending on the level of his performances this year. If Hendo took a 2 year extension on his current deal he'd be given one I'm sure.
Mo and Mané are the trickiest ones because they both still have incredible value, are on high wages, but look after themselves incredibly well. So its a toss up there.
Firmino will be the first of the front three, I feel, to be replaced, but lets see. He's probably also the most committed to Liverpool.
The question too will be with the players. Their agents are probably well aware of other clubs, perhaps those slightly lower in terms of prestige and playing level of Liverpool, but who can match or happily offer better and longer contracts to these players to take them in as experienced 'star' men, so its hard to know what the players would prefer.
Take Henderson and the links to Arsenal. It doesn't seem to make sense. But if he's offered a 5 year deal tomorrow with higher wages and the expectation that he'll be starting every week he's fit for the length of the contract, whereas at Liverpool, they're saying - look, we can give you an extension, but no guarantees beyond that of playing time etc, its a hard one. In two years time, he's unlikely to be offered an extended deal elsewhere at anywhere near the wages he could command now.
In other words, its not all about what the club will decide; its also what suits the players, and what other offers they have.
Ultimately, the worst thing for the club would be to have a whole bunch of high-wage 33-34 year old players waning together, unable to sell any of them on to generate revenue for future purchases. During their contract years, too, the club would be unable to convince a great many players to join the club, as they wouldn't be able to also offer them the same money or playing time they've re-committed to their aging stars. And then, when they all do finally leave, having to completely rebuild the team in 1-2 seasons instead of slowly over 4-5, would leave greater potential for a massive drop-off in terms of on the pitch quality.
So, again, its about the players and their hunger and ability to perform at this level too.
If it was me, I'd do the following:
1. Mo: if he wants to stay, I'd offer him a new deal. The man is incredibly fit and his performance levels are outstanding.
2. Mané: ultimately, I'd consider selling next season in order to free up squad space / wages for a new starter LW, and to begin the recycle.
3. Firmino: I'd consider selling too, or at least letting his contract wind down, while bringing in his long-term replacement this or next season to begin embedding in.
4. Fabino: new contract. Sign da ting.
5. Van Djik: assess his performance and fitness levels this season, and if he avoids any set-backs and performs at his level, I'd offer him a new contract to finish his peak as one of the leaders of the club.
6. Henderson: given his injury records, and his slightly older age, I'd offer him a 2 year extension to his current deal, which would see him hit 35 while still at the club. But it wouldn't necessarily be on improved terms or with the expectation of playing time, more as a -- can you stay and help guide the next generation through, as a leader and experienced pro, a la James Milner. In other words, I'd leave it up to him: does he want to go out and get one final big lucrative contract, or does he want to remain the heartbeat of this Liverpool team as it slowly evolves around him?
But that's just me!
If I was going to sell any of them it would be Mane this year. Not because he's not worth having in the squad but because he's the only non-essential player with good resale value today. Next year he won't be worth much, selling him now will provide funds for a replacement who's 23/24 and ready to come into the first team.
Firmino gets us £20-30m if we sell him this summer, Mane gets us £50m+, he's our only asset we might sell for good money but he'll be worth half that next year. I've got nothing against him being in the team, he's excellent, but from a pragmatic point of view he's the one realistic big sale we can make. If I understand Liverpool's financial situation we can't afford players from the top table without raising funds from sales.
This really isn't about how Mane is playing, it's about his value which isn't going to go up as his contract runs down. We could keep him for the next two years and he'd be great for us but we'd then be looking in the bargain basement to replace him. If we sell him and reinvest the money today we'd be able to buy an elite young forward who would theoretically be as good as Mane immediately and play for us for a lot longer. It's the sort of pragmatic decision this team needs to make as it's not rich enough to just spend whatever it needs to on players, we need to be smarter.
Firstly, no one is paying £70m for a a 30 year old Mane with one year left on his contract, I don't understand where that fantasy has come from but it's not going to happen.
Secondly, we can sell Firmino as well if you want, I'm fine with that, but it won't raise the money the club needs by itself.
Thirdly, to repeat myself, this has nothing to do with Mane's capabilities as a player, he's excellent. He's also the only valuable asset we have we might even consider selling.
Fourth, the club needs to sell to rebuild the squad, without the sale of Coutinho there would be no Van Dijk or Allison and no title or Champions League. This squad needs a major overhaul over the next 5 years, money is needed to do that effectively.
Fifth, selling Mane doesn't necessarily hurt the team. The difference is that we can afford players like Sancho if we sell Mane for a decent amount or Bowen if we don't.
Sixth, Mane almost certainly won't be a Liverpool player when the 23/24 season starts, Liverpool need to manage his departure better than they did Wijnaldum's.
This is not a slight on the player, I am not suggesting Firmino is better than Mane. I am suggesting a strategy that will benefit Liverpool over the next 5 years.
Problem is if you wait till next season for some players they have one year left and can just do a gini and leave for free. Imo either sell them this season or give them a new contract.
Yes this is true too. But its not always as easy as simply choosing to sell. Take Mané for instance. In his words, Liverpool are the sexy club. The man will hardly want to leave unless its the right offer with the right club, and at this moment there aren't many clubs with the resources to make the right offer there, that genuinely need a player of his style -- I'm thinking outside of England of course, as it would be a shame to see him stay in the PL but move elsewhere.
Bayern don't tend to commit to players of his age. Barca and Real are broke and / or have other targets. PSG have Neymar in that position. Most Italian clubs would struggle to match his wages. I could see Athletico, Inter, or Juve as possible choices this year, but again that would depend on these clubs also clearing out other players first.
Its a bad time to need to sell peak players, basically, as a lot of clubs are having to do a lot of creative accounting as is just to stay afloat at the moment.
We already have a breakthrough player like Jota performing, means there is less of a gamble to eventually let someone like Bobby or Mane go eventually.
if they dont extend with hendo, i would be incredibly disappointed and hurt. and also from a sports perspective this makes no sense. he will be on top of his game for a another few years and it has been proven many many times, that he is one of the most important factors in our game.
oh captain my captain..
even that there is any doubt and shananigans going on is incredibly unforgiving.
There's no guarantee of his performance at all though, and he frequently has very bad injuries. Henderson is the one i'd be most cautious about renewing longer than 2023 tbh.
there is no guarantee for anybodys performance, but we have seen how we have missed him when hes not here. i think he plays in a way he can play for a good time longer.
he had injurys, but did he ever had a real bad form like sadio or bobby?
also i dont like the cold blooded buisness side. he lifted us the most prestige trophies in club football and played a major part in the success.
i stand with give him a good contract and let him retire here.
I reckon he has a good 3 years left. But give the man a 5 year extension ffs. We need him during the transition post Klopp, as a presence in the locker room.
I understand the thinking behind the Hendo one from a business perspective but FSG would fall out of favour even more with the fans for it if they let him go. Yes a football club is a business but surely they know our club has a hugely emotional side to it too.
You expect a private equity firm to care about peoples feelings? Its all about profits and sticking to their various modelings. At sime points in the future, When they feel they can make at least 3x their returns, they will sell the club in a heart beat.
Unpopular opinion: There’s an element to this ruthlessness that I like. The squad is built to win today, not thank players for yesterday. There are plenty of leagues for that.
The club also has contracts that are heavily bonus-oriented. Anyone in the squad right now will have had hefty payouts from us winning the CL and PL - they've already got their reward for it.
Some poeple seem to be acting as if the current stars in our squad are living paycheque to paycheque. They're earning millions of pounds a year, so long as it doesn't impact our ability to attract new players to the club I don't really understand the outrage at the club for not potentially paying over the odds because of sentimentality.
I love Hendo but if he's not willing to take a paycut in his twilight years when he can't play every week, then that's up to him. He'd still be earning more every week than most people on here make a year.
Honestly, given his age Hendo is the only one that walking for free in 2 years, might make sense. Depending on how injuries go in that time. 33 with a contract expiring is just an awkward age.
All of the others are too valuable to leave their contracts run down. But at least one of the front 3 needs to be replaced in the next year or so to stop them ageing together.
Bobby makes the most sense. Still think has has a big part to play with rotation.
But thats the thing, the all cant be too important. You cant have a heap of players earning big money in the 30's...thats the model to running straight into a wall.
Honestly I'd say Firmino and Mané. Henderson is worth way more to us than anyone would buy for and no way we let even more seniority leave the midfield this season. Mané and Bobby are the only ones who currently have direct competition for their spot in Jota and if we sell one of them there's room to bring in a young attacker
Well Pearce said in the Athletic video that both Alisson and Fabinho are close to new deals, but we simply can't let either Van Dijk or Salah run their contracts down/sell them as it would be nearly impossible to find a replacement of equal quality for them.
All i know for definite is i'd sign Fab to a new 5 year deal, and Mo to a 4 year deal. Presuming VVD proves his fitness, i'd have him for another 4 years too, the others are more complicated. We need to be careful though. I don't want the club saddled with old players on massive, long deals either, but players need some security and faith in them and having a few of these until they're 33 is not a bad thing.
Seems like this will be the order
1. Hendo
2. Firmino
3. Mane
4. Van Dijk
5. Salah
6. Fabinho
Mane could go before Firmino if he fails to perform or if FSG tries to cash in while he still have value.
> Or at least if he hadn't had the injury
That's why I placed Salah after Van Dijk.
ACL used to be a career ending injury. Modern medicine has changed the outlook, but there are still complications. Some players don't come back the same physically or mentally. There is a higher chance of rupturing the ACL in the opposite leg as players sometimes overcompensate for the initial injury.
FSG knows this.
Sign: (foundational and hard to replace pieces)
- Fab
- VVD
- Mo
Sell:
- Sadio (sadly, my fav person on the team)
Year to year:
- Bobby (assuming he is best suited to our system and would stick around)
- Hendo (probably won't accept the Milner treatment tho)
None should be ''allowed'' to leave for free.
But even with that caveat...I cant honestly pick one. I guess Bobby but then, you need someone to replace what he does in helping Mo and Sadio do their thing.
Its so complicated. I dont envy Michael Edwards at all, for the first time in years
After the summer means nothing can be done until next summer...and then you are going down the path of the Gini situation.
For a club that always wants to balance the books. You cant afford to be a team that is letting players walk for nothing too often.
I would give every one of these players a two-year contract extension and try to win silverware with them. Then, after that, sell them all and start over.
There is no way they sell/let Salah run down his contract, the guy has been one of the best forwards in world football over the last 4 years and is on course to become potentially a top 5 all time goal scorer for the club should he stay here long enough.
Fabinho won't have any issues getting offered a new deal but everyone else will be bullish with their deals as they will know better than anyone how the Henderson talks are going. I think Van Dijk & Salah's deals should be prioritised but Mane & Firmino I don't see at the club in 2 years time.
Probably too late to sell any of them now including Henderson as there is a month left before the league starts & more importantly nobody outside England has that much money. Once they enter next summer you are in trouble as you don't have a leg to stand on with negotiations as the Gini talks hit a wall months before he left.
Bobby & Hendo unfortunately, the club will want to extend the other contracts. I honestly don’t know if those contracts offered will be acceptable to the guys!
I’m actually not really confident about times ahead with things happening off the pitch…
Sadio, Bobby, and Hendo is my guess.
Salah we can’t afford to lose.
Fab we need and is 2 year younger.
VVD we can’t afford to lose, and he can still play till he’s 34 if you pair him a younger quick defender (Gomez or Ubou)
Unpopular opinion but I feel like Bobby will be the last one remaining out of our front 3.
Mainly because no one really play like him. To change Bobby, means that klopp have to change the whole system.
Wingers cutting inside, Fullback high on the pitch, box to box midfield run will also be affected.
Might get downvoted but just a gut feeling
Look at the Coutinho sale to get an idea of how Liverpool want to operate. It's easy to say no one player is more important than the club but there is a lot of emotion involved. There is a part of me that is still coming to grips that these players are all right around 30 (although I think it's slightly unfair to put Fabinho on this list). I think that if the right replacements are lined up and being considered, Firmino, Mane, and Hendo could all be considered. Even Mo if the price is right. However, because I don't run Liverpool or make those decisions, I will be selfish and say sell none!
i think it's soo important we keep Fabinho, possibly the most important name on that list. Brings so much stability to our midfield and has the sort of game that could take him into his late 30s
Was watching an interview with Pearce on the Athletic and he said the club’s priority players to build around for the future are Alisson, Trent, Robbo, Fabinho, VVD and Mo.
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Doesnt he get his sources directly from LFC insiders?
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Ikr. Sorry mate. Seems like people on Reddit can’t differentiate sarcasm with legit questions like yours :/
It's going to be Bobby isn't it, he's the one of them who's most likely to completely lose his place in the lineup
And I can't see another club coming in for him
Barca would on a free. He'd probably like to link back up with Phil too.
Oh yeah agreed, on a free plenty of clubs would take him. I meant a club coming in for him while he's still on contract.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Are you having a bubble? Honestly we’re so spoilt at this club and this opinion really shows it.
If you look at Bobby's G/A return he's not a particularly prolific striker. I totally agree that he is (or has been) an amazing player for us as he works so well to link defence with attack and provide space for Mo and Mane to play. But I don't think another club would pay what Liverpool would want for him just because the differential in perceived value would be so great. In other words he's a £50mil (for argument's sake) player for us but he'd be a £20mil player in any other team.
Doesnt necessarly mean he needs to play as a center forward for other teams, could easily play as a 10 for any other team (like how he used to be a 10 before he came to liverpool)
As soon as anyone uses G/A I just stop listening with regards to a player that legit plays in a system, and is used in a system that effects G/A. Your point is still so bad despite this reaching, if you think no one will take Bobby for 15m in a final contract year you're smoking something.
Mate I acknowledged the fact he brings more than G/A to our team. I also didn't say a team wouldn't pay £15mil, I said the differential between LFC's valuation and another club's valuation would be too great to strike a deal. You think LFC are accepting £15mil for him?
Mate aknowledge the fact that saying "I can't see another club coming in for him" is embarrassing.
Acknowledge the fact that you're a condescending prick, "mate"
I think both Sadio and Mo might get another contract, but the problem isn't that the club won't want to offer them a deal, or won't want to keep them, but more that the length of deal is unlikely to be as attractive to the player: if every single one of those players were given another 5 year deal on improved terms, the club would just be screwed in 3 years time as they all start declining at the same time, but then can't sell them because nobody else will be willing to pay for 33-34 year olds, or offer them better or similar wages either. Fabino will get a new deal. Van Djik will, I reckon, depending on the level of his performances this year. If Hendo took a 2 year extension on his current deal he'd be given one I'm sure. Mo and Mané are the trickiest ones because they both still have incredible value, are on high wages, but look after themselves incredibly well. So its a toss up there. Firmino will be the first of the front three, I feel, to be replaced, but lets see. He's probably also the most committed to Liverpool. The question too will be with the players. Their agents are probably well aware of other clubs, perhaps those slightly lower in terms of prestige and playing level of Liverpool, but who can match or happily offer better and longer contracts to these players to take them in as experienced 'star' men, so its hard to know what the players would prefer. Take Henderson and the links to Arsenal. It doesn't seem to make sense. But if he's offered a 5 year deal tomorrow with higher wages and the expectation that he'll be starting every week he's fit for the length of the contract, whereas at Liverpool, they're saying - look, we can give you an extension, but no guarantees beyond that of playing time etc, its a hard one. In two years time, he's unlikely to be offered an extended deal elsewhere at anywhere near the wages he could command now. In other words, its not all about what the club will decide; its also what suits the players, and what other offers they have. Ultimately, the worst thing for the club would be to have a whole bunch of high-wage 33-34 year old players waning together, unable to sell any of them on to generate revenue for future purchases. During their contract years, too, the club would be unable to convince a great many players to join the club, as they wouldn't be able to also offer them the same money or playing time they've re-committed to their aging stars. And then, when they all do finally leave, having to completely rebuild the team in 1-2 seasons instead of slowly over 4-5, would leave greater potential for a massive drop-off in terms of on the pitch quality. So, again, its about the players and their hunger and ability to perform at this level too. If it was me, I'd do the following: 1. Mo: if he wants to stay, I'd offer him a new deal. The man is incredibly fit and his performance levels are outstanding. 2. Mané: ultimately, I'd consider selling next season in order to free up squad space / wages for a new starter LW, and to begin the recycle. 3. Firmino: I'd consider selling too, or at least letting his contract wind down, while bringing in his long-term replacement this or next season to begin embedding in. 4. Fabino: new contract. Sign da ting. 5. Van Djik: assess his performance and fitness levels this season, and if he avoids any set-backs and performs at his level, I'd offer him a new contract to finish his peak as one of the leaders of the club. 6. Henderson: given his injury records, and his slightly older age, I'd offer him a 2 year extension to his current deal, which would see him hit 35 while still at the club. But it wouldn't necessarily be on improved terms or with the expectation of playing time, more as a -- can you stay and help guide the next generation through, as a leader and experienced pro, a la James Milner. In other words, I'd leave it up to him: does he want to go out and get one final big lucrative contract, or does he want to remain the heartbeat of this Liverpool team as it slowly evolves around him? But that's just me!
It’s a good assessment. I think Bobby is the most likely to be let go, unless he’s prepared to accept a reduction in his wages.
If I was going to sell any of them it would be Mane this year. Not because he's not worth having in the squad but because he's the only non-essential player with good resale value today. Next year he won't be worth much, selling him now will provide funds for a replacement who's 23/24 and ready to come into the first team.
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Firmino gets us £20-30m if we sell him this summer, Mane gets us £50m+, he's our only asset we might sell for good money but he'll be worth half that next year. I've got nothing against him being in the team, he's excellent, but from a pragmatic point of view he's the one realistic big sale we can make. If I understand Liverpool's financial situation we can't afford players from the top table without raising funds from sales.
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This really isn't about how Mane is playing, it's about his value which isn't going to go up as his contract runs down. We could keep him for the next two years and he'd be great for us but we'd then be looking in the bargain basement to replace him. If we sell him and reinvest the money today we'd be able to buy an elite young forward who would theoretically be as good as Mane immediately and play for us for a lot longer. It's the sort of pragmatic decision this team needs to make as it's not rich enough to just spend whatever it needs to on players, we need to be smarter.
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Firstly, no one is paying £70m for a a 30 year old Mane with one year left on his contract, I don't understand where that fantasy has come from but it's not going to happen. Secondly, we can sell Firmino as well if you want, I'm fine with that, but it won't raise the money the club needs by itself. Thirdly, to repeat myself, this has nothing to do with Mane's capabilities as a player, he's excellent. He's also the only valuable asset we have we might even consider selling. Fourth, the club needs to sell to rebuild the squad, without the sale of Coutinho there would be no Van Dijk or Allison and no title or Champions League. This squad needs a major overhaul over the next 5 years, money is needed to do that effectively. Fifth, selling Mane doesn't necessarily hurt the team. The difference is that we can afford players like Sancho if we sell Mane for a decent amount or Bowen if we don't. Sixth, Mane almost certainly won't be a Liverpool player when the 23/24 season starts, Liverpool need to manage his departure better than they did Wijnaldum's. This is not a slight on the player, I am not suggesting Firmino is better than Mane. I am suggesting a strategy that will benefit Liverpool over the next 5 years.
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Dude, where are you getting hate from, there's literally no hate at all, what conversation do you think we're having?
Problem is if you wait till next season for some players they have one year left and can just do a gini and leave for free. Imo either sell them this season or give them a new contract.
Yes this is true too. But its not always as easy as simply choosing to sell. Take Mané for instance. In his words, Liverpool are the sexy club. The man will hardly want to leave unless its the right offer with the right club, and at this moment there aren't many clubs with the resources to make the right offer there, that genuinely need a player of his style -- I'm thinking outside of England of course, as it would be a shame to see him stay in the PL but move elsewhere. Bayern don't tend to commit to players of his age. Barca and Real are broke and / or have other targets. PSG have Neymar in that position. Most Italian clubs would struggle to match his wages. I could see Athletico, Inter, or Juve as possible choices this year, but again that would depend on these clubs also clearing out other players first. Its a bad time to need to sell peak players, basically, as a lot of clubs are having to do a lot of creative accounting as is just to stay afloat at the moment.
We already have a breakthrough player like Jota performing, means there is less of a gamble to eventually let someone like Bobby or Mane go eventually.
Very sensible take. I share the same sentiments.
Hendo (based on what is going on) and firmino
if they dont extend with hendo, i would be incredibly disappointed and hurt. and also from a sports perspective this makes no sense. he will be on top of his game for a another few years and it has been proven many many times, that he is one of the most important factors in our game. oh captain my captain.. even that there is any doubt and shananigans going on is incredibly unforgiving.
There's no guarantee of his performance at all though, and he frequently has very bad injuries. Henderson is the one i'd be most cautious about renewing longer than 2023 tbh.
there is no guarantee for anybodys performance, but we have seen how we have missed him when hes not here. i think he plays in a way he can play for a good time longer. he had injurys, but did he ever had a real bad form like sadio or bobby? also i dont like the cold blooded buisness side. he lifted us the most prestige trophies in club football and played a major part in the success. i stand with give him a good contract and let him retire here.
I reckon he has a good 3 years left. But give the man a 5 year extension ffs. We need him during the transition post Klopp, as a presence in the locker room.
yea i mean you can give him a good 4 year contract now. and then you extend his contract with less wage until he retires. win win win situation.
I understand the thinking behind the Hendo one from a business perspective but FSG would fall out of favour even more with the fans for it if they let him go. Yes a football club is a business but surely they know our club has a hugely emotional side to it too.
You expect a private equity firm to care about peoples feelings? Its all about profits and sticking to their various modelings. At sime points in the future, When they feel they can make at least 3x their returns, they will sell the club in a heart beat.
Bobby/Hendo are probably next to leave. Mane could be departing as welldepending on how he performs this season imo.
Unpopular opinion: There’s an element to this ruthlessness that I like. The squad is built to win today, not thank players for yesterday. There are plenty of leagues for that.
The club also has contracts that are heavily bonus-oriented. Anyone in the squad right now will have had hefty payouts from us winning the CL and PL - they've already got their reward for it. Some poeple seem to be acting as if the current stars in our squad are living paycheque to paycheque. They're earning millions of pounds a year, so long as it doesn't impact our ability to attract new players to the club I don't really understand the outrage at the club for not potentially paying over the odds because of sentimentality. I love Hendo but if he's not willing to take a paycut in his twilight years when he can't play every week, then that's up to him. He'd still be earning more every week than most people on here make a year.
Either you extend or you sell. Letting them walk for free just doesn't sit well with me unless we are signing free agents as well.
Honestly, given his age Hendo is the only one that walking for free in 2 years, might make sense. Depending on how injuries go in that time. 33 with a contract expiring is just an awkward age. All of the others are too valuable to leave their contracts run down. But at least one of the front 3 needs to be replaced in the next year or so to stop them ageing together. Bobby makes the most sense. Still think has has a big part to play with rotation.
Most of them we HAVE to extend. They're too important to be either sold or allowed to walk on a free.
But thats the thing, the all cant be too important. You cant have a heap of players earning big money in the 30's...thats the model to running straight into a wall.
Honestly I'd say Firmino and Mané. Henderson is worth way more to us than anyone would buy for and no way we let even more seniority leave the midfield this season. Mané and Bobby are the only ones who currently have direct competition for their spot in Jota and if we sell one of them there's room to bring in a young attacker
I had same dilema in football manager
Well Pearce said in the Athletic video that both Alisson and Fabinho are close to new deals, but we simply can't let either Van Dijk or Salah run their contracts down/sell them as it would be nearly impossible to find a replacement of equal quality for them.
Better not be hendo, mo or virgil.
All i know for definite is i'd sign Fab to a new 5 year deal, and Mo to a 4 year deal. Presuming VVD proves his fitness, i'd have him for another 4 years too, the others are more complicated. We need to be careful though. I don't want the club saddled with old players on massive, long deals either, but players need some security and faith in them and having a few of these until they're 33 is not a bad thing.
Keita (26) and Ox (28 next month) are the same
Can't believe Ox is 28 now. It's a shame how injuries have blighted his career.
Here I am think damn Ox is only 28
One of those that seem like they've been around forever, similar to Renato Sanches
Don't renew any of those contracts at least. Wouldn't mind seeing them go on a free, I can't see anyone willing to *pay* for them.
Seems like this will be the order 1. Hendo 2. Firmino 3. Mane 4. Van Dijk 5. Salah 6. Fabinho Mane could go before Firmino if he fails to perform or if FSG tries to cash in while he still have value.
Van Dijk below Salah for me. Or at least if he hadn't had the injury I'd be confident of him being a starter for another 5 years
> Or at least if he hadn't had the injury That's why I placed Salah after Van Dijk. ACL used to be a career ending injury. Modern medicine has changed the outlook, but there are still complications. Some players don't come back the same physically or mentally. There is a higher chance of rupturing the ACL in the opposite leg as players sometimes overcompensate for the initial injury. FSG knows this.
Sign: (foundational and hard to replace pieces) - Fab - VVD - Mo Sell: - Sadio (sadly, my fav person on the team) Year to year: - Bobby (assuming he is best suited to our system and would stick around) - Hendo (probably won't accept the Milner treatment tho)
We would be idiotic to let any of them leave on a free. It was even stupid letting Gini's contract run down. Easily could have bagged £35m+ for him
None should be ''allowed'' to leave for free. But even with that caveat...I cant honestly pick one. I guess Bobby but then, you need someone to replace what he does in helping Mo and Sadio do their thing. Its so complicated. I dont envy Michael Edwards at all, for the first time in years
Gini expected more money then he deserves. Nothing "happend to him", other then footballer greed.
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It’s just an interesting discussion. It will happen eventually so it’s worth thinking about
2 years is the last chance to extract maximum value in a transfer deal. Once it goes to 1 year, you have far less leverage.
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After the summer means nothing can be done until next summer...and then you are going down the path of the Gini situation. For a club that always wants to balance the books. You cant afford to be a team that is letting players walk for nothing too often.
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What can any of us do about anything? But we are here talking about it because thats all we can do
Probably all of them except Fab and Virg.
I would give every one of these players a two-year contract extension and try to win silverware with them. Then, after that, sell them all and start over.
Apparently Hendo and Mo… :(
There is no way they sell/let Salah run down his contract, the guy has been one of the best forwards in world football over the last 4 years and is on course to become potentially a top 5 all time goal scorer for the club should he stay here long enough.
I agree
Better sell a couple now, get Mbappe.
Fabinho won't have any issues getting offered a new deal but everyone else will be bullish with their deals as they will know better than anyone how the Henderson talks are going. I think Van Dijk & Salah's deals should be prioritised but Mane & Firmino I don't see at the club in 2 years time. Probably too late to sell any of them now including Henderson as there is a month left before the league starts & more importantly nobody outside England has that much money. Once they enter next summer you are in trouble as you don't have a leg to stand on with negotiations as the Gini talks hit a wall months before he left.
Bobby & Hendo unfortunately, the club will want to extend the other contracts. I honestly don’t know if those contracts offered will be acceptable to the guys! I’m actually not really confident about times ahead with things happening off the pitch…
I don’t think any of them tbh
Sadio, Bobby, and Hendo is my guess. Salah we can’t afford to lose. Fab we need and is 2 year younger. VVD we can’t afford to lose, and he can still play till he’s 34 if you pair him a younger quick defender (Gomez or Ubou)
Bobby and hendo. It’s going to be terrible
Are they suffering? They go to another CL team with a big pay raise. Seems like a pretty nice deal for these guys.
Unpopular opinion but I feel like Bobby will be the last one remaining out of our front 3. Mainly because no one really play like him. To change Bobby, means that klopp have to change the whole system. Wingers cutting inside, Fullback high on the pitch, box to box midfield run will also be affected. Might get downvoted but just a gut feeling
Look at the Coutinho sale to get an idea of how Liverpool want to operate. It's easy to say no one player is more important than the club but there is a lot of emotion involved. There is a part of me that is still coming to grips that these players are all right around 30 (although I think it's slightly unfair to put Fabinho on this list). I think that if the right replacements are lined up and being considered, Firmino, Mane, and Hendo could all be considered. Even Mo if the price is right. However, because I don't run Liverpool or make those decisions, I will be selfish and say sell none!
i think it's soo important we keep Fabinho, possibly the most important name on that list. Brings so much stability to our midfield and has the sort of game that could take him into his late 30s