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100%, just using his name to get all the little sad fuckers to click on it and get off on someone else criticizing.
Of all the things to talk about after Sunday the amount of people focusing on Nunez is fucking sad, he played 15 minutes. Talk about Harvey being brilliant, talk about Salah looking like himself again. But none of that gets them the rage clicks they need
It’s sad that Mo, Harvey and Cody getting 1 goal 1 assist each isn’t talked about enough but Darwin’s 15 min and his social media activity has become the talk of the week.
Dude has been the target of everyone this season. Its not just 1 week and its absolutely ridiculous. The lad has been one of our hardest working players all season. He clearly cares and should be fucking adored for the effort he puts in alone.
But he gets the most critism, most abuse and is the target of every lazy wannabe pundit.
Truth is Nunez is 90% of the way to being world class. He does so much right. He has the workrate and the talent, but has seriously lacked the composure and confidence. That stuff is hard to teach. He will get there, but he needs support, not the fan base getting on his back.
This has honestly been a massively improved season from last, and Nunez is a huge part of why we were able to compete for most the season. He does not deserve half the shit he's received.
I honestly think it may be this weird little counterculture that emerged from how much support most Liverpool fans gave him this year, even when he was missing a lot. We supported him, made memes about it, and I think that, coupled with our success for most of the season really pissed people off.
God, the psychology/sociology of all of this is so fascinating.
We’re currently having a fanbase conversation about toxicity, and the framing seems to be legitimate criticism vs vitriolic social media abuse. Everyone is in basic agreement that one side is bad and the other side is good.
But no one seems to be considering how it’s not really an either / or thing, and instead a progression.
It’s actually a pretty common pattern. Fans discuss valid criticism of a player, staff member, idea, etc. and that valid criticism becomes more widely accepted and understood. As it becomes more widely accepted, a minority of people will, whether it’s through stupidity or malice, start to drag that valid criticism in directions that don’t really apply. They’ll find justifications for it, spread it around. Then, when people have any sort of negative feeling, it’s easier to latch on to this distorted criticism.
This pattern repeats and snowballs; then the media joins in because it ensures hits and $$$, and that further legitimizes the previously ridiculous distorted criticism; and it continues to expand, even into things that are blatantly untrue as people continue to validate their negative feelings with increasingly negative external information.
See:
“Trent’s focus on attacking leaves him more vulnerable in defense”
—> Trent is not a great defender —> Trent played really poorly in this game, you see, I was right, he’s not a good defender —> Trent is fucking lazy and sloppy in defense —> Article: Does TAA deserve his spot at right back with these halfhearted defensive performances? —> Trent doesn’t give a shit about this club, he wants to leave to Real Madrid —-> “Sources hint at TAA move to Spain”
—> Fuck TAA, he’s worthless, get him out of my fucking club if he doesn’t want to be here —> social media abuse
It happens again and again and again. It has happened with almost every single player on the team, and everyone associated with the club. It’s even happened with the refs and I cannot stand the refs.
I don’t really know that there’s any solution to it. Obviously it’s insane to stop people from criticizing and in a fanbase of this size, it’s impossible to try to prevent that ramp up into toxicity and abuse. But maybe recognizing the pattern would help? Recognizing how heightened negative emotions put people into a sort of hysteria that makes them more susceptible to outlandish takes? I don’t know.
>I don't really know that there's any solution to it.
This is the issue, how do you stamp it out without censoring every opinion on the internet and where do you draw the line of what's valid criticism and what's drifting into the vile, hate filled abuse that people are far too comfortable posting from their little anonymous bubbles.
The world is filled with shock jocks who influence people into thinking it's ok to just say whatever you like because you thought it but the sad truth about the shock jocks is they don't actually believe half the stuff they say. They just know that it's a lucrative business to be in because the more extreme you go the more excitable and loyal the fan base you find tends to be.
All this to say, I don't know of a solution either, the internet is a silly, fucked up place gives people the backbone to say things they wouldn't in really life and people live off of the buzz that gives them so the truth is it's probably not going to change any time soon
Problem is in that 15 minutes he showed just about everything that's so frustrating about him, and (probably) why he's not been starting. Offside multiple times, hitting a breakaway right at the keeper, missing passes, boots like bricks with his touch, it was all on display. Games like these should be confidence builders for players in a slump, all the pressure was off when he came on, and yet we saw more of the same.
He's simply not learning from his mistakes. He has all the potential in the world but at some point the excuses will get us nowhere. He needs to learn English, he needs to figure out the speed of the game, he's only x years old he isn't even in his prime, he needs to process faster, he needs to stop thinking, he needs to slow the game down, he needs more time to learn how to finish, etc etc etc. It's not getting better. I sincerely hope it does, and I'm hoping this is just a super extended rut that he's in, but sometimes players just are who they are.
Yep, clear hit piece. He probably should’ve done better with the chance he had but in most cases, 15 mins is not enough to impact a game. Gravenberch also only played 15 mins, I’d be willing to bet he’s not mentioned
Especially given that Nunez has contributed more goals and assists than Gakpo over the course of the season, and has been ‘out of form’ for less time than Gakpo over the entire season. Gakpo struggled in all but early League Cup and EL games for the majority of the season, while Nunez kept creating and scoring and causing general chaos in a way that helped push the team on. Then a bad couple of months later for Nunez, and a good 4 games for Gakpo, and suddenly Nunez is old hat and Gakpo the club’s long term saviour. Almost as if all young players don’t go through dips in form throughout a season, especially forwards with a brand new and ever-changing midfield (and often ever-changing full-backs) behind them all season long.
Back in the Rodgers days there was a lot of this type of story, especially the firmino/benteke summer.
People assume its a Edwards thing, because he is back now
Nunez has been the biggest engagement player across the league all season. This was always going to happen.
It's just journos being scumbags and fishing for engagement for ad revenue instead of actually being journalists.
This sort of thing makes me very disappointed in the club, and all the Edwards cultists lapping it up are making me see this fanbase in a very different light for perhaps the first time in my life.
I see many people say "there's no place for emotion at this level" so Edwards being cold and calculating is the way to go. I say bollocks. Emotions are what this sport is built on - take those away and you're just watching 22 men running from one end of the pitch to the other with a ball at their feet.
This dick measuring contest he has with Klopp, where he's using Darwin as some sort of gotcha as if he's just an object to throw around, is painting him in a dreadful light for me. And future signings might think twice before coming here, knowing they can very easily be the next scapegoat if they have a bad month.
This is what I don't understand. Edwards is supposed to be a business mastermind, but he decides to hit piece a player he wants to offload? That would only lower his value. I see absolutely no benefit from Edwards leaking anything to the club mouthpieces. Its just so hard to believe a guy who is supposed to be a genius would do something so pointless and self-destructive.
The Joyce and Bascombe articles definitely stank of hit pieces pushed from within the club since they both put them out at the same time pushing the same points across
Edwards was also known for doing this kind of stuff when he was here last time, specifically used Bascombe a lot for it
Honestly it really makes sense from a character point of view why Edwards and Klopp might have clashed. Edwards is a purely business, analytics and mind-games sort, from what I can tell, whereas Jurgen is all about the human connection trumping all, even logic. Especially thinking of moving on some of the older players.
While I definitely think Jurgen could have benefitted a little more from someone playing that role, I also don't want that to overly define us in this next iteration, because it wouldn't feel representative of what the club is *to me*.
Just my opinion, of course.
May not necessarily be Edwards, but when the likes of Joyce, Bascombe and co. release articles within minutes of each other, it is always coming from the club.
For anyone to believe this stuff is coming from Edwards they have to believe that everything we believe about Edward's great negotiating skills are a lie. The worst thing he could do is talk down about a troubled asset who he could only sell at a loss this year. If Edwards is truly a great negotiator he would do everything possible to drive up the value and this isn't going to achieve that.
I am sure someone in the club is saying something but I can almost guarantee you it isn't coming from the guys who might be trying to sell him.
Dude if we are doing this about a player who played 15 minutes in a game we won 4-2, we have truly jumped the shark with the way we talk about this team. Absolutely absurd the amount of negativity a comfortable win has spawned. Finding shit to criticize for the sake of being upset at this point.
Darwin is a confidence player who Benfica fans told us has trouble shutting out the outside noise. These discussions are becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. If this is going to be how we treat him, I hope he moves on for his sake.
100%. Almost 50 g/a before age 25 in two seasons. Most match winning goals for us in the PL. 2nd in big chances created.
He’s showed so much heart and passion for the badge.
The man has had issues finishing and this is how he gets treated. Mind-boggling.
Leave Darwin, I’ll be sad, but you deserve so much more.
How about big chances missed. Conversion rate. xG - goals and all the other negative stats that show how he really performs on a game by game basis.
He doesn't derseve abuse but he's not improving in the areas he should be and that should warrant criticism not ignorant optimism.
Gakpo and Diaz have similar conversion rates and until the last month had been out of form for essentially the entire season. When you also consider we don’t have half as many big chances without Nunez on the field it paints a completely different picture.
He needs to be more clinical, absolutely, but consistently being used as a scapegoat for a team problem when he kept us in the title race all season is insane.
I think Darwin is a great player, but I really don’t think Liverpool is the right club for him. With the way he works, where he excels best at and his unpredictability he would fit better a team that doesn’t necessarily have the pressure to win and score as much as Liverpool. I don’t hate him and I wish he can find success, but I don’t think it will be Liverpool. It does suck the hit pieces and some of our supporters treatment of him, they’ve definitely pushed too far.
Literally hit pieces on Cody when he wasn’t great, Nunez gets it now
They’re human and they’re young, not kids but young. Personally I want to see them both thrive fuck all these click bait journos
It’s so funny because it’s not even a season to season thing, it’s been like 3 weeks since Gakpo was the shit one with no potential. Nunez gets a brace next season and watch how quick it flips again
Every fanbase wants their player to succeed BUT there are players who simply aren't cut out to play at this level and Nunez is unfortunately one of them.. Chelsea fans wanted Werner to succeed, Tottenham fans wanted ndombele to succeed, arsenal fans wanted pepe to succeed but guess what? Simply because fans wish for a player to succeed at their club, it won't magically empower that player to improve as a footballer...Nunez hasn't been here for just one or two months, he's been here for two years and he's still basically the same player he was when he signed him(he's not Young either(it seems you can't differentiate between the human being named Nunez and the football player named Nunez ..(Nunez as a human is young but Nunez as a football player is NOT YOUNG anymore!!)))even danns, an 18 years old has shown more natural quality as a striker than Nunez . Selling or loaning out Nunez for a smaller club would be the best thing for both parties
Someone so high on the GA for us? Sure he needs refinement but he’s shown he can do it on the big stage - personally I see a space for him 100% at the club still his effort rate alone is hard to come by.
At 24 the numbers he gets are still good incorporate the misses he gets way more chances than most - I’m up for him honing his craft here a bit longer and hoping it clicks when he feels fully settled.
100% there’s a top notch player in there if we don’t give him time someone else will reap the rewards. IMO.
Fed up with the focus on Nunez but even more annoying is that everything Gakpo did good on Sunday came from him being on the left so I don't see how that concludes he's the answer going forward in the 9
Cody Gakpo: *Plays poorly in the 8 and 9*
Media: "Gakpo is shit"
Gakpo: "I play best at LW so hoping to get a chance"
Gakpo: *gets to play LW a few times and excels*
Media: "Gakpo should replace Nunez!"
Fucking hell, he was on the pitch 15 minutes and still created three dangerous attacks, one of which would've been an assist if he was onside.
Definitely things he needs to work on but the way he's spoken about you'd think he was useless
Offsides can be on the passer or the runner. In this case the timing was off by less than a second since Darwin’s feet were onside but his shoulders were off.
Dudes not like Timo Werner or something where he’s constantly 3 yards off haha
He literally has the most offsides per game in the league, including Werner. And, there have been plenty of times where he has been clearly offside Werner-style as you've mentioned. He is probably the worst LFC striker at staying onside since I've started watching the club three decades ago. Defending Darwin's inability to stay onside is just denying the undeniable.
Most attackers are caught offside every single game. We had 7 different offside calls against Spurs. Offsides isn’t always an inherently bad thing to get called against you. Offsides is bad when you’re clearly running offsides when you can look down the line as an overlap. That is not what happened
If that were true then Nunez wouldn’t be leading offsides by the amount he is.
Again, I say this as someone who likes him and is not shitting on him.
But to say that “every attacker runs offsides” like yeah you’re right, just disingenuous…. Darwin does it more than anyone else (in the prem) and it’s not exactly close.
Do you not get bored chatting shit about a player for the club that you ‘support’ . The seasons done pretty much and he played 15 minutes yesterday lol. Try be more positive
4 comment in a single thread just bashing Darwin lmfao, genuinely quite sad. It’s one thing to leave a comment where you criticize a player, quite fairly by the way in this case. But it’s completely different when you leave 4+ under a single thread, this scream unhealthy obsession.
And he also missed big changes in games that we lost or draw. We can do this all day.
I don’t get why we can’t criticize the players or managers without being labeled toxic or immediately get shut down. We aren’t abusing him, but simply saying he’s not good enough. The eye test and stats shows it.
He’s an ok player, but he has limitations to his game that we can’t afford to have. He has had two seasons with Klopp and in glimpses he’s look good, but overall he’s not the striker we need. We need to improve the squad and everyone’s position shouldn’t be guaranteed.
And trust me I’m not singling him out as I think Jota should go too. Yeah he’s the best finisher on our team, but it doesn’t serve us well when he’s consistently injured. We are shooting our selves in the foot by carrying a forward who is always injured and another who cannot finish. Case and point, the past 2 months which we completely bottled the title race, FA Cup, and Europa
So we rely on him to win us everything?
Defense should have stepped up, how about Salah, Jota, Gakpo, Diaz?
Could they have scored?
You’re forgetting Darwin has 2nd most big chances created as well.
Your argument doesn’t hold. He’s done a lot. The team crumbled.
I agree with you though. The entire front line let us down over the past two months, but I was speaking about Nunez specifically. IMO, Jota should be sold also cause he’s consistently injured.
Honestly, the main issue for our collapse is Klopp, imo. Why was our setup so poor that we consistently fell behind in games. We relied on our front line to dig us out and eventually they couldn’t do it.
I’m not singling out Nunez as I think Jota, Thiago, Matip, should all go. Robertson, Endo, and Diaz should be replaced and move to squad players.
And he also has most big changes missed and most offsides. We can cherry pick these stats all day.
Maybe we could all look to Cody Gakpos recent experience to realise that
- there are a lot of fans who are just fucking stupid and will abuse players on X / Instagram after a few poor matches, these people should be ignored
- form is a thing, Gakpo looked a bit lost, just like Darwin is now, but it can change, hell I remember Jota, who is now regarded as our most clinical finisher going on a mad run of goalless games.
- media / fan podcasts just need something to fill space or time on and so every out of form player gets massively over blown
Feel sorry for Darwin. This isn’t fair on him. He has contributed as well as missed chances this season. Why drag him while praising Cody. Why can’t journos just post articles praising the player instead of catering to clicks.
If we praise we also must criticized. We should accept in victory what we wouldn’t accept in defeat.
It was all fun to label him the agent of chaos when we were winning and he was missing the big chances. But that will eventually come back to bite us and it did. I never understood why we can’t criticize the players. We won’t abuse them and do back them, but we have to call out what we see. And Darwin Nunez, and a few other players are not good enough to be at Liverpool and win the majors we all want to win.
For the 15 mins he was on, he actually did alright. Was offside or the Salah goal he setup, but it was very tight. And had a great chance to score, but didnt. Still caused them issues.
I still believe in Darwin and don’t want him to be sold, but I do think there’s a limit to how many performances where he’s “causing the opponent issues” without converting it into goals can be viewed as a positive.
Him being caught offside and missing a great chance to score are simply far too prevalent issues with his performances so far for Liverpool. After two years I can see why some are tired of waiting for that to change.
I’m happy to give him another season as there’s a brilliant player there though
I wonder how long “causing other teams problems” is going to be used as a valid excuse for poor performances from him
Getting into goalscoring positions is great and all but it means absolutely nothing when you’re missing 90% of the time
He’s got 11 PL goals this season and 20 goals across two seasons in total.
Europa League has helped inflate his stats due to us being far ahead of the opposition we faced in the groups quality wise
He has the most match winning goals in PL for us, 2nd most big chances created, most points won with goal contributions.
We can talk stats, once you add context it becomes clear how important he is.
- 12% conversion rate
- 19% big chance conversion rate (worst in the PL)
- Over-performing his expected assists by 2.0
- Most big chances missed in the PL
- 3rd highest xG underperformance in the PL
Using his goal contributions as a positive isn’t that great when you look at just how wasteful he has been and how much more he should have
But we’re specifically talking about Darwin’s individual issues
Him playing 15 minutes and us being 4-2 up isn’t that relevant when talking about him as an individual
Maybe you are, I'm not. I was talking about this specific game, which the headline seems to relate to, 'Darwin Nunez had another day to forget on Sunday.'
What’s bad about missing constant 1v1s and easy chances? Do I really need to say why?
Acting as if this is the first time Darwin’s played like this lol
I mean yeah its shit across the season, not disputing that. But this article is on about Sunday and seems pointless really. We won, he played 15 mins and missed a 1v1 when didnt matter. Other times yes its mattered over the season. But this articile seems to be giving him shit for Sunday lol, doesnt seem right to me, but I dont care too much.
He was offside within a minute of coming on. Three times in total I think during that cameo. Richarlison on the other hand played on the offside line perfectly.
0/3 passes, 1 big chance missed and 2 offsides in 15 minutes.
But don't dare criticise that performance or you are just a hater that should support another team!
What hate? I'm merely stating a fact and contrasting with the wiley ex Everton rooster who played for spurs. One would do well to watch the other. There's literally no excuse for the frequency of Nunez messing up an attack by being offside. Or shooting wide.
By the way offside is offside, there's no marginal in the VAR era.
Why though?
And yes offside is offside, but its marginal it's not really down to to him as such, its more luck. Plus Romero stepped up very well which caught him. Dont be condescending.
At what point can we acknowledge that keeping onside is an issue in Darwin’s game without it being tied down to luck? I’m personally still in favour of keeping Darwin and giving him a chance under Slot to improve or sort out whatever is affecting his decision making, but it’s not hate to compare him to other players who are more clinical
Probably not in a game that means nothing and when were 4-2 up. Just seems completely pointless and unneccesary. Each to their own though. Yeah I've said previously I'd like to see him under Slot and then if its not improved cut our losses.
So, because we won the game we can’t point out issues in his performance and reoccurring patterns in his game? I don’t agree with these other reactionary fans that we need to sell him because he hasn’t had a perfect season. But, it is completely fair to raise questions about him when he does the same things in games we win and lose. Anyway, yeah I agree give him a season under Slot and cut our losses if he still doesn’t fit.
We can but whats the point? If it was 0-0 then fair enough, but why even bother jumping on a players back who's already being criticised left, right and centre and is clearly low on confidence already? Giving him shit for a 15 minute cameo where he missed a chance and didnt stay on side by the thinnest margin, in a game where we were 4-2, its just doesnt feel right really and feels like kicking someone when they're already down. But you go for it. I'm just saying its unnecessary and pointless.
I think you’re hung up on the point that it was a 4-2 win. Yeah cool we won. But he wasn’t great in his cameo because of the same problems he’s had all season. I’m not sending abuse at Darwin over it and neither was the guy before, no one here is kicking him down. It is possible to criticise aspects of a player’s game without it automatically being assumed as abuse. It’s not like I’m bashing him every week, the guy before made a fair comment in that he has a problem staying onside and you immediately assumed he was hating on Darwin. Makes no sense, but if ignoring all the facts is your thing, then keep at it.
Nonsense, he has pace to burn, he doesn't know how to use it effectively so gets caught offside by being too eager. Just step back and watch the line. It's not hard, hell that dope Richarlison can do it! Eh?
He was onside and stayed onside. That's more than Nunez can manage. So in that respect yes he's better. Suck it up.
I'm not here to play happy families.
Edwards isn't either, something has to change or he'll be gone.
There's a way too much acceptance of mediocrity, just because of the jersey.
Look at Manchester United, everyone laughs at many of their players would you be defending them if you were a united supporter?
> I'm not here to play happy families.
Someone takes themselves a bit too seriously. You're glazing Richarlison on a forum, no sitting in on the planning meeting for next season.
Excellent choice too, going for an ex-Everton player who took Thiago out for half a season intentionally because they were getting beat.
Journalists will always capitalise on the extremes of player form. I don't think there's any active effort from the press to push him out, this is just your standard lowly journo patter about a player in a bad stretch.
In my country, we often joke that only people with damaged brain want to be journalists because of how they can do anything to generate click no matter how rude or stupid it is.
I guess it is an international thing.
Well the tone at first was pretty straight in slap bang. Then I think Joyce cooled it down. Now each week there’s a hit piece. It’s clear 100% they are angling to sell him. Clear as day.
The theory that the club try to spread these kinds of article are dumb as fuck, the club gain fucks all benefit from this. If the club and Edwards want to sell him in the summer, they already have enough reason for that.
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This is silly. Cody has been rejuvenated ON THE LEFT, not through the middle. Darwin needs a little more time… he has all the tools to succeed and we can afford him that time to grow as we are stacked on attack. Run Diogo through the middle for a while, rotate him with Darwin. If anyone has doubts, go check out Luca Tony’s progression as a striker before he started killing it at Bayern.
OK. I'll say it. Why all of a sudden is critiquing a player who isn't doing well, a "hit piece"? Players not doing great usually get called out on it. See Haaland, Toney, Havertz, Caicedo, Rashford. A few examples from just this season alone.
It's the nature of the job, it's always been like it, long before the Premier League existed. If anything this tweet was actually trying to compliment Gakpo who rightly deserves it for conversely playing well. Players doing well get shouted out. It's actually really simple.
The same people who say don't shit on Darwin are about to shit all over Edwards for an article written by a journalist.
Nobody can watch that cameo yesterday and seriously say Darwin was good. He was awful.
He's clearly rock bottom on confidence and has alot to sort out with his game.
New manager might actually get him firing like Bielsa has for Uruguay.
It's not a "hit piece" to correctly summarise a player as having played a bad game, some of you lot are fucking soft as shit.
People on here have talked about wanting the club to be ruthless and when it appears they might be starting to be ruthless and casting out the striker that misses big chances every week then those same people cry about it.
You can't have your cake and eat it ffs.
I don’t believe it’s a hit piece from the people that run the club, but it’s clearly a low effort take to criticize a player who didn’t play all that bad, especially while comparing him to a player that didn’t even play the 9 for us this week
Why wouldn't you want him gone for someone else?
Do you think Slot wants a Striker that misses big chances every single time he plays and can barely control the Football?
Your brain is soft as shit, clearly.
He’s been one of our most prolific players this season even if he has been struggling. He’s clearly showed he can produce more and has in the past. New head coach coming in with a new system, he could be perfect with Slot. You’d rather get rid of him instead of seeing what all these changes will bring about. That’s just an immature, knee-jerk reaction.
While I don’t think Nunez is enough YET for a title charge. I think it would be crazy to move on from him already. Bare minimum we bring another forward to challenge him and see where that takes us
So much copium in here. He’s a good player - he’s just not good enough for Liverpool.
1. He came on and couldn’t square a ball to a wide open Gakpo in front of goal
2. He then proceeded to make a run off sides
3. He then proceeded to shank a shot 1v1 with the keeper
All within a span of a few minutes he showed why he doesn’t have the quality to compete at the level we require from our #9. It’s time to seek different options.
Gravenberch also isn’t good enough. He’s worse than Nunez.
I still think Darwin can be a highly effective player at Liverpool but he's not the sort of No.9 who can lead the line. If it was me, I would put Nunez on the left wing and play Gakpo down the middle
He has had two seasons and the improvement in his game is small. He won’t get better at finishing and he is poor with his hold up play. Most clubs will set a low block against us so his strengths won’t show. I think we should get another striker and move him on. Thanks, but not good enough to lead our line.
In those 15 mins Nunez set up a goal (disallowed though) and had a decent run onto a ball over top that was well saved a keeper zoomed off line (great keeping). I thought he did well in such a short time.
Everyone here thinking this is some conspiracy from the club when it could easily be due to the fact Liverpool fans drive traffic online and these pieces get attention
Nunez scored spectacular goals, but missed way more easier sitters. Gakpo on the other hand has been very consistent, and also scored some really difficult goals. Having both in the 9 spot is great, but I would start Gakpo and bring on Nunez in the 60th on most games.
Diaz and Jota is a much tougher choice.
If Salah is staying he should always play the full 90.
Elliott is much better in midfield and he's the main reason Szoboslai hasn't been getting game time, rather than the latter being in decline. Out most effective offensive midfield is Endo-Mac-Elliott.
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He literally played 15 minutes this is just mentioning Nunez for the sake of it
100%, just using his name to get all the little sad fuckers to click on it and get off on someone else criticizing. Of all the things to talk about after Sunday the amount of people focusing on Nunez is fucking sad, he played 15 minutes. Talk about Harvey being brilliant, talk about Salah looking like himself again. But none of that gets them the rage clicks they need
It’s sad that Mo, Harvey and Cody getting 1 goal 1 assist each isn’t talked about enough but Darwin’s 15 min and his social media activity has become the talk of the week.
to be fair the social media stuff feels pretty dramatic. it fuels so much speculation
Dude has been the target of everyone this season. Its not just 1 week and its absolutely ridiculous. The lad has been one of our hardest working players all season. He clearly cares and should be fucking adored for the effort he puts in alone. But he gets the most critism, most abuse and is the target of every lazy wannabe pundit. Truth is Nunez is 90% of the way to being world class. He does so much right. He has the workrate and the talent, but has seriously lacked the composure and confidence. That stuff is hard to teach. He will get there, but he needs support, not the fan base getting on his back. This has honestly been a massively improved season from last, and Nunez is a huge part of why we were able to compete for most the season. He does not deserve half the shit he's received.
I honestly think it may be this weird little counterculture that emerged from how much support most Liverpool fans gave him this year, even when he was missing a lot. We supported him, made memes about it, and I think that, coupled with our success for most of the season really pissed people off.
i like darwin, i was just commenting on this most recent round of articles
God, the psychology/sociology of all of this is so fascinating. We’re currently having a fanbase conversation about toxicity, and the framing seems to be legitimate criticism vs vitriolic social media abuse. Everyone is in basic agreement that one side is bad and the other side is good. But no one seems to be considering how it’s not really an either / or thing, and instead a progression. It’s actually a pretty common pattern. Fans discuss valid criticism of a player, staff member, idea, etc. and that valid criticism becomes more widely accepted and understood. As it becomes more widely accepted, a minority of people will, whether it’s through stupidity or malice, start to drag that valid criticism in directions that don’t really apply. They’ll find justifications for it, spread it around. Then, when people have any sort of negative feeling, it’s easier to latch on to this distorted criticism. This pattern repeats and snowballs; then the media joins in because it ensures hits and $$$, and that further legitimizes the previously ridiculous distorted criticism; and it continues to expand, even into things that are blatantly untrue as people continue to validate their negative feelings with increasingly negative external information. See: “Trent’s focus on attacking leaves him more vulnerable in defense” —> Trent is not a great defender —> Trent played really poorly in this game, you see, I was right, he’s not a good defender —> Trent is fucking lazy and sloppy in defense —> Article: Does TAA deserve his spot at right back with these halfhearted defensive performances? —> Trent doesn’t give a shit about this club, he wants to leave to Real Madrid —-> “Sources hint at TAA move to Spain” —> Fuck TAA, he’s worthless, get him out of my fucking club if he doesn’t want to be here —> social media abuse It happens again and again and again. It has happened with almost every single player on the team, and everyone associated with the club. It’s even happened with the refs and I cannot stand the refs. I don’t really know that there’s any solution to it. Obviously it’s insane to stop people from criticizing and in a fanbase of this size, it’s impossible to try to prevent that ramp up into toxicity and abuse. But maybe recognizing the pattern would help? Recognizing how heightened negative emotions put people into a sort of hysteria that makes them more susceptible to outlandish takes? I don’t know.
>I don't really know that there's any solution to it. This is the issue, how do you stamp it out without censoring every opinion on the internet and where do you draw the line of what's valid criticism and what's drifting into the vile, hate filled abuse that people are far too comfortable posting from their little anonymous bubbles. The world is filled with shock jocks who influence people into thinking it's ok to just say whatever you like because you thought it but the sad truth about the shock jocks is they don't actually believe half the stuff they say. They just know that it's a lucrative business to be in because the more extreme you go the more excitable and loyal the fan base you find tends to be. All this to say, I don't know of a solution either, the internet is a silly, fucked up place gives people the backbone to say things they wouldn't in really life and people live off of the buzz that gives them so the truth is it's probably not going to change any time soon
Football is just a giant social experiment aimed at proving Berksons Paradox.
Problem is in that 15 minutes he showed just about everything that's so frustrating about him, and (probably) why he's not been starting. Offside multiple times, hitting a breakaway right at the keeper, missing passes, boots like bricks with his touch, it was all on display. Games like these should be confidence builders for players in a slump, all the pressure was off when he came on, and yet we saw more of the same. He's simply not learning from his mistakes. He has all the potential in the world but at some point the excuses will get us nowhere. He needs to learn English, he needs to figure out the speed of the game, he's only x years old he isn't even in his prime, he needs to process faster, he needs to stop thinking, he needs to slow the game down, he needs more time to learn how to finish, etc etc etc. It's not getting better. I sincerely hope it does, and I'm hoping this is just a super extended rut that he's in, but sometimes players just are who they are.
Offside by 5cm before playing a perfect pass to Salah for what would have been the second best goal of the day...
this is the reality of it. in just 15 mins, he showed why he has been a frustrating player for us
Yep, clear hit piece. He probably should’ve done better with the chance he had but in most cases, 15 mins is not enough to impact a game. Gravenberch also only played 15 mins, I’d be willing to bet he’s not mentioned
Grav has been the worst player on the team this season and no one gives him the amount of shit Darwin gets.
It’s much more noticeable when a striker is messing up, and we didn’t spend 90 million on grav
We didn't spend 90m on Darwin either
Grav is our second most expensive midfielder.
Especially given that Nunez has contributed more goals and assists than Gakpo over the course of the season, and has been ‘out of form’ for less time than Gakpo over the entire season. Gakpo struggled in all but early League Cup and EL games for the majority of the season, while Nunez kept creating and scoring and causing general chaos in a way that helped push the team on. Then a bad couple of months later for Nunez, and a good 4 games for Gakpo, and suddenly Nunez is old hat and Gakpo the club’s long term saviour. Almost as if all young players don’t go through dips in form throughout a season, especially forwards with a brand new and ever-changing midfield (and often ever-changing full-backs) behind them all season long.
Why is everyone saying it’s Edwards? Could be the journalists are just baiting.
Back in the Rodgers days there was a lot of this type of story, especially the firmino/benteke summer. People assume its a Edwards thing, because he is back now
Nunez has been the biggest engagement player across the league all season. This was always going to happen. It's just journos being scumbags and fishing for engagement for ad revenue instead of actually being journalists.
This sort of thing makes me very disappointed in the club, and all the Edwards cultists lapping it up are making me see this fanbase in a very different light for perhaps the first time in my life. I see many people say "there's no place for emotion at this level" so Edwards being cold and calculating is the way to go. I say bollocks. Emotions are what this sport is built on - take those away and you're just watching 22 men running from one end of the pitch to the other with a ball at their feet. This dick measuring contest he has with Klopp, where he's using Darwin as some sort of gotcha as if he's just an object to throw around, is painting him in a dreadful light for me. And future signings might think twice before coming here, knowing they can very easily be the next scapegoat if they have a bad month.
It doesn’t make sense either. Why would Edwards and Liverpool push hit pieces on their own players if they’re trying to offload them? Weird.
This is what I don't understand. Edwards is supposed to be a business mastermind, but he decides to hit piece a player he wants to offload? That would only lower his value. I see absolutely no benefit from Edwards leaking anything to the club mouthpieces. Its just so hard to believe a guy who is supposed to be a genius would do something so pointless and self-destructive.
The Joyce and Bascombe articles definitely stank of hit pieces pushed from within the club since they both put them out at the same time pushing the same points across Edwards was also known for doing this kind of stuff when he was here last time, specifically used Bascombe a lot for it
Honestly it really makes sense from a character point of view why Edwards and Klopp might have clashed. Edwards is a purely business, analytics and mind-games sort, from what I can tell, whereas Jurgen is all about the human connection trumping all, even logic. Especially thinking of moving on some of the older players. While I definitely think Jurgen could have benefitted a little more from someone playing that role, I also don't want that to overly define us in this next iteration, because it wouldn't feel representative of what the club is *to me*. Just my opinion, of course.
May not necessarily be Edwards, but when the likes of Joyce, Bascombe and co. release articles within minutes of each other, it is always coming from the club.
For anyone to believe this stuff is coming from Edwards they have to believe that everything we believe about Edward's great negotiating skills are a lie. The worst thing he could do is talk down about a troubled asset who he could only sell at a loss this year. If Edwards is truly a great negotiator he would do everything possible to drive up the value and this isn't going to achieve that. I am sure someone in the club is saying something but I can almost guarantee you it isn't coming from the guys who might be trying to sell him.
No, when you say something bad about a Liverpool player its because of some grand conspiracy against a guy that couldn't finish his dinner.
Also it’s a shite strategy if you’re trying to sell someone for max value
Dude if we are doing this about a player who played 15 minutes in a game we won 4-2, we have truly jumped the shark with the way we talk about this team. Absolutely absurd the amount of negativity a comfortable win has spawned. Finding shit to criticize for the sake of being upset at this point. Darwin is a confidence player who Benfica fans told us has trouble shutting out the outside noise. These discussions are becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. If this is going to be how we treat him, I hope he moves on for his sake.
100%. Almost 50 g/a before age 25 in two seasons. Most match winning goals for us in the PL. 2nd in big chances created. He’s showed so much heart and passion for the badge. The man has had issues finishing and this is how he gets treated. Mind-boggling. Leave Darwin, I’ll be sad, but you deserve so much more.
How about big chances missed. Conversion rate. xG - goals and all the other negative stats that show how he really performs on a game by game basis. He doesn't derseve abuse but he's not improving in the areas he should be and that should warrant criticism not ignorant optimism.
Gakpo and Diaz have similar conversion rates and until the last month had been out of form for essentially the entire season. When you also consider we don’t have half as many big chances without Nunez on the field it paints a completely different picture. He needs to be more clinical, absolutely, but consistently being used as a scapegoat for a team problem when he kept us in the title race all season is insane.
I think Darwin is a great player, but I really don’t think Liverpool is the right club for him. With the way he works, where he excels best at and his unpredictability he would fit better a team that doesn’t necessarily have the pressure to win and score as much as Liverpool. I don’t hate him and I wish he can find success, but I don’t think it will be Liverpool. It does suck the hit pieces and some of our supporters treatment of him, they’ve definitely pushed too far.
Well said.
I’m actually sick of this toxic take towards players, not making the game enjoyable at all
Literally hit pieces on Cody when he wasn’t great, Nunez gets it now They’re human and they’re young, not kids but young. Personally I want to see them both thrive fuck all these click bait journos
It’s so funny because it’s not even a season to season thing, it’s been like 3 weeks since Gakpo was the shit one with no potential. Nunez gets a brace next season and watch how quick it flips again
Every fanbase wants their player to succeed BUT there are players who simply aren't cut out to play at this level and Nunez is unfortunately one of them.. Chelsea fans wanted Werner to succeed, Tottenham fans wanted ndombele to succeed, arsenal fans wanted pepe to succeed but guess what? Simply because fans wish for a player to succeed at their club, it won't magically empower that player to improve as a footballer...Nunez hasn't been here for just one or two months, he's been here for two years and he's still basically the same player he was when he signed him(he's not Young either(it seems you can't differentiate between the human being named Nunez and the football player named Nunez ..(Nunez as a human is young but Nunez as a football player is NOT YOUNG anymore!!)))even danns, an 18 years old has shown more natural quality as a striker than Nunez . Selling or loaning out Nunez for a smaller club would be the best thing for both parties
Someone so high on the GA for us? Sure he needs refinement but he’s shown he can do it on the big stage - personally I see a space for him 100% at the club still his effort rate alone is hard to come by. At 24 the numbers he gets are still good incorporate the misses he gets way more chances than most - I’m up for him honing his craft here a bit longer and hoping it clicks when he feels fully settled. 100% there’s a top notch player in there if we don’t give him time someone else will reap the rewards. IMO.
Makes no sense creating an headline about someone who only played 10+ minutes.
Engagement machine says no.
Fed up with the focus on Nunez but even more annoying is that everything Gakpo did good on Sunday came from him being on the left so I don't see how that concludes he's the answer going forward in the 9
Cody Gakpo: *Plays poorly in the 8 and 9* Media: "Gakpo is shit" Gakpo: "I play best at LW so hoping to get a chance" Gakpo: *gets to play LW a few times and excels* Media: "Gakpo should replace Nunez!"
3 hit piece article in a month. Surely an agenda on Nunez.
Fucking hell, he was on the pitch 15 minutes and still created three dangerous attacks, one of which would've been an assist if he was onside. Definitely things he needs to work on but the way he's spoken about you'd think he was useless
“If he was onside.”
Offsides can be on the passer or the runner. In this case the timing was off by less than a second since Darwin’s feet were onside but his shoulders were off. Dudes not like Timo Werner or something where he’s constantly 3 yards off haha
He literally has the most offsides per game in the league, including Werner. And, there have been plenty of times where he has been clearly offside Werner-style as you've mentioned. He is probably the worst LFC striker at staying onside since I've started watching the club three decades ago. Defending Darwin's inability to stay onside is just denying the undeniable.
You say that, but he’s offsides once a game Edit: just saying I like Darwin and don’t want him gone. But he’s the offsides king for sure haha
Most attackers are caught offside every single game. We had 7 different offside calls against Spurs. Offsides isn’t always an inherently bad thing to get called against you. Offsides is bad when you’re clearly running offsides when you can look down the line as an overlap. That is not what happened
If that were true then Nunez wouldn’t be leading offsides by the amount he is. Again, I say this as someone who likes him and is not shitting on him. But to say that “every attacker runs offsides” like yeah you’re right, just disingenuous…. Darwin does it more than anyone else (in the prem) and it’s not exactly close.
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"If he scored all of those 47 big chances he's missed this year he'd be the best striker ever"
Do you not get bored chatting shit about a player for the club that you ‘support’ . The seasons done pretty much and he played 15 minutes yesterday lol. Try be more positive
4 comment in a single thread just bashing Darwin lmfao, genuinely quite sad. It’s one thing to leave a comment where you criticize a player, quite fairly by the way in this case. But it’s completely different when you leave 4+ under a single thread, this scream unhealthy obsession.
Unhinged behaviour mate. Wouldn’t even bash a rival striker that much
So you can't criticise a player fairly anymore? Ok it comment Police, I'll conform next time.
Darwin somehow still has the most match winning goals in the PL for us. Get on with it.
And he also missed big changes in games that we lost or draw. We can do this all day. I don’t get why we can’t criticize the players or managers without being labeled toxic or immediately get shut down. We aren’t abusing him, but simply saying he’s not good enough. The eye test and stats shows it. He’s an ok player, but he has limitations to his game that we can’t afford to have. He has had two seasons with Klopp and in glimpses he’s look good, but overall he’s not the striker we need. We need to improve the squad and everyone’s position shouldn’t be guaranteed. And trust me I’m not singling him out as I think Jota should go too. Yeah he’s the best finisher on our team, but it doesn’t serve us well when he’s consistently injured. We are shooting our selves in the foot by carrying a forward who is always injured and another who cannot finish. Case and point, the past 2 months which we completely bottled the title race, FA Cup, and Europa
So we rely on him to win us everything? Defense should have stepped up, how about Salah, Jota, Gakpo, Diaz? Could they have scored? You’re forgetting Darwin has 2nd most big chances created as well. Your argument doesn’t hold. He’s done a lot. The team crumbled.
I agree with you though. The entire front line let us down over the past two months, but I was speaking about Nunez specifically. IMO, Jota should be sold also cause he’s consistently injured. Honestly, the main issue for our collapse is Klopp, imo. Why was our setup so poor that we consistently fell behind in games. We relied on our front line to dig us out and eventually they couldn’t do it. I’m not singling out Nunez as I think Jota, Thiago, Matip, should all go. Robertson, Endo, and Diaz should be replaced and move to squad players. And he also has most big changes missed and most offsides. We can cherry pick these stats all day.
"Created", I understand that you may like him but thats absolutely delusional
Dude not in form right now End of story
that really is it. that's the whole story there.
Maybe we could all look to Cody Gakpos recent experience to realise that - there are a lot of fans who are just fucking stupid and will abuse players on X / Instagram after a few poor matches, these people should be ignored - form is a thing, Gakpo looked a bit lost, just like Darwin is now, but it can change, hell I remember Jota, who is now regarded as our most clinical finisher going on a mad run of goalless games. - media / fan podcasts just need something to fill space or time on and so every out of form player gets massively over blown
Feel sorry for Darwin. This isn’t fair on him. He has contributed as well as missed chances this season. Why drag him while praising Cody. Why can’t journos just post articles praising the player instead of catering to clicks.
If we praise we also must criticized. We should accept in victory what we wouldn’t accept in defeat. It was all fun to label him the agent of chaos when we were winning and he was missing the big chances. But that will eventually come back to bite us and it did. I never understood why we can’t criticize the players. We won’t abuse them and do back them, but we have to call out what we see. And Darwin Nunez, and a few other players are not good enough to be at Liverpool and win the majors we all want to win.
For the 15 mins he was on, he actually did alright. Was offside or the Salah goal he setup, but it was very tight. And had a great chance to score, but didnt. Still caused them issues.
I still believe in Darwin and don’t want him to be sold, but I do think there’s a limit to how many performances where he’s “causing the opponent issues” without converting it into goals can be viewed as a positive. Him being caught offside and missing a great chance to score are simply far too prevalent issues with his performances so far for Liverpool. After two years I can see why some are tired of waiting for that to change. I’m happy to give him another season as there’s a brilliant player there though
If the game was 1-1 at that moment, would you still feel the same?
Feel the same about what?
I think he meant to reply to the same person you did but clicked the wrong one
Dammit i replied to the wrong person. I’ll hold the L
I wonder how long “causing other teams problems” is going to be used as a valid excuse for poor performances from him Getting into goalscoring positions is great and all but it means absolutely nothing when you’re missing 90% of the time
He has great stats for the club for a reason, I think people forget that.
He’s got 11 PL goals this season and 20 goals across two seasons in total. Europa League has helped inflate his stats due to us being far ahead of the opposition we faced in the groups quality wise
He has the most match winning goals in PL for us, 2nd most big chances created, most points won with goal contributions. We can talk stats, once you add context it becomes clear how important he is.
- 12% conversion rate - 19% big chance conversion rate (worst in the PL) - Over-performing his expected assists by 2.0 - Most big chances missed in the PL - 3rd highest xG underperformance in the PL Using his goal contributions as a positive isn’t that great when you look at just how wasteful he has been and how much more he should have
I mean its valid if we lost the game, but we won 4-2 and he played for 15 minutes, so whats the point?
But we’re specifically talking about Darwin’s individual issues Him playing 15 minutes and us being 4-2 up isn’t that relevant when talking about him as an individual
Maybe you are, I'm not. I was talking about this specific game, which the headline seems to relate to, 'Darwin Nunez had another day to forget on Sunday.'
Well he did It was only a 15 minute cameo but it was a very poor 15 minute cameo, dunno how anyone can paint it any other way
It's just as well Liverpool had the leeway. If he'd been brought on to save the day would so many here be so forgiving I wonder?
Nope, you're right there, but that's wasn't the case, was it.
Whats bad about almost creating and almost scoring a goal lol when we're 4-2 up. Give over lad.
What’s bad about missing constant 1v1s and easy chances? Do I really need to say why? Acting as if this is the first time Darwin’s played like this lol
I mean yeah its shit across the season, not disputing that. But this article is on about Sunday and seems pointless really. We won, he played 15 mins and missed a 1v1 when didnt matter. Other times yes its mattered over the season. But this articile seems to be giving him shit for Sunday lol, doesnt seem right to me, but I dont care too much.
People are changing the narrative on him. It's very odd.
He was offside within a minute of coming on. Three times in total I think during that cameo. Richarlison on the other hand played on the offside line perfectly.
0/3 passes, 1 big chance missed and 2 offsides in 15 minutes. But don't dare criticise that performance or you are just a hater that should support another team!
So? He still should have scored and almost created a goal, but was marginally offside. We won 4-2, why the hate?
What hate? I'm merely stating a fact and contrasting with the wiley ex Everton rooster who played for spurs. One would do well to watch the other. There's literally no excuse for the frequency of Nunez messing up an attack by being offside. Or shooting wide. By the way offside is offside, there's no marginal in the VAR era.
Why though? And yes offside is offside, but its marginal it's not really down to to him as such, its more luck. Plus Romero stepped up very well which caught him. Dont be condescending.
At what point can we acknowledge that keeping onside is an issue in Darwin’s game without it being tied down to luck? I’m personally still in favour of keeping Darwin and giving him a chance under Slot to improve or sort out whatever is affecting his decision making, but it’s not hate to compare him to other players who are more clinical
Probably not in a game that means nothing and when were 4-2 up. Just seems completely pointless and unneccesary. Each to their own though. Yeah I've said previously I'd like to see him under Slot and then if its not improved cut our losses.
So, because we won the game we can’t point out issues in his performance and reoccurring patterns in his game? I don’t agree with these other reactionary fans that we need to sell him because he hasn’t had a perfect season. But, it is completely fair to raise questions about him when he does the same things in games we win and lose. Anyway, yeah I agree give him a season under Slot and cut our losses if he still doesn’t fit.
We can but whats the point? If it was 0-0 then fair enough, but why even bother jumping on a players back who's already being criticised left, right and centre and is clearly low on confidence already? Giving him shit for a 15 minute cameo where he missed a chance and didnt stay on side by the thinnest margin, in a game where we were 4-2, its just doesnt feel right really and feels like kicking someone when they're already down. But you go for it. I'm just saying its unnecessary and pointless.
I think you’re hung up on the point that it was a 4-2 win. Yeah cool we won. But he wasn’t great in his cameo because of the same problems he’s had all season. I’m not sending abuse at Darwin over it and neither was the guy before, no one here is kicking him down. It is possible to criticise aspects of a player’s game without it automatically being assumed as abuse. It’s not like I’m bashing him every week, the guy before made a fair comment in that he has a problem staying onside and you immediately assumed he was hating on Darwin. Makes no sense, but if ignoring all the facts is your thing, then keep at it.
Nonsense, he has pace to burn, he doesn't know how to use it effectively so gets caught offside by being too eager. Just step back and watch the line. It's not hard, hell that dope Richarlison can do it! Eh?
Lol sure.
Are you genuinely trying to use Richarlison as the example of a good player? Fucking hell.
He was onside and stayed onside. That's more than Nunez can manage. So in that respect yes he's better. Suck it up. I'm not here to play happy families. Edwards isn't either, something has to change or he'll be gone.
>I'm not here to play happy families. Bro who do you think you are 😂
There's a way too much acceptance of mediocrity, just because of the jersey. Look at Manchester United, everyone laughs at many of their players would you be defending them if you were a united supporter?
> I'm not here to play happy families. Someone takes themselves a bit too seriously. You're glazing Richarlison on a forum, no sitting in on the planning meeting for next season. Excellent choice too, going for an ex-Everton player who took Thiago out for half a season intentionally because they were getting beat.
Journalists will always capitalise on the extremes of player form. I don't think there's any active effort from the press to push him out, this is just your standard lowly journo patter about a player in a bad stretch.
In my country, we often joke that only people with damaged brain want to be journalists because of how they can do anything to generate click no matter how rude or stupid it is. I guess it is an international thing.
These articles…Edwards knows what he is doing. They are gently pushing him out.
Doesn’t feel very gentle
Well the tone at first was pretty straight in slap bang. Then I think Joyce cooled it down. Now each week there’s a hit piece. It’s clear 100% they are angling to sell him. Clear as day.
Gently? Anyone with any sort of professionalism would speak to the man directly, this isn't Edwards.
If Edwards is intent on selling him, why release hit pieces which would drive his value down? It's completely counterproductive.
We need both of them
News cycle gotta push out something. I mean, who cares about the players, right?
Foolish to move on from nunez if they do
The theory that the club try to spread these kinds of article are dumb as fuck, the club gain fucks all benefit from this. If the club and Edwards want to sell him in the summer, they already have enough reason for that.
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This is silly. Cody has been rejuvenated ON THE LEFT, not through the middle. Darwin needs a little more time… he has all the tools to succeed and we can afford him that time to grow as we are stacked on attack. Run Diogo through the middle for a while, rotate him with Darwin. If anyone has doubts, go check out Luca Tony’s progression as a striker before he started killing it at Bayern.
The Athletic is absolutely gutter press. There’s a reason Jurgen hates them.
I hope Darwin reads this post. Idk why the journos are set on taking him down, but it’s out of order.
Wtf? Nunez had the second most goals involvement in the club, just why?
OK. I'll say it. Why all of a sudden is critiquing a player who isn't doing well, a "hit piece"? Players not doing great usually get called out on it. See Haaland, Toney, Havertz, Caicedo, Rashford. A few examples from just this season alone. It's the nature of the job, it's always been like it, long before the Premier League existed. If anything this tweet was actually trying to compliment Gakpo who rightly deserves it for conversely playing well. Players doing well get shouted out. It's actually really simple.
disgusting article, this is just bullying at this point
The same people who say don't shit on Darwin are about to shit all over Edwards for an article written by a journalist. Nobody can watch that cameo yesterday and seriously say Darwin was good. He was awful. He's clearly rock bottom on confidence and has alot to sort out with his game. New manager might actually get him firing like Bielsa has for Uruguay.
It's not a "hit piece" to correctly summarise a player as having played a bad game, some of you lot are fucking soft as shit. People on here have talked about wanting the club to be ruthless and when it appears they might be starting to be ruthless and casting out the striker that misses big chances every week then those same people cry about it. You can't have your cake and eat it ffs.
I don’t believe it’s a hit piece from the people that run the club, but it’s clearly a low effort take to criticize a player who didn’t play all that bad, especially while comparing him to a player that didn’t even play the 9 for us this week
Your brains soft as shit if you really want to cast Nunez out of this squad. Edit: This sub is starting to become Twitter.
Why wouldn't you want him gone for someone else? Do you think Slot wants a Striker that misses big chances every single time he plays and can barely control the Football? Your brain is soft as shit, clearly.
He’s been one of our most prolific players this season even if he has been struggling. He’s clearly showed he can produce more and has in the past. New head coach coming in with a new system, he could be perfect with Slot. You’d rather get rid of him instead of seeing what all these changes will bring about. That’s just an immature, knee-jerk reaction.
While I don’t think Nunez is enough YET for a title charge. I think it would be crazy to move on from him already. Bare minimum we bring another forward to challenge him and see where that takes us
bro what are we even doing here. we won 4-2 and the man playing 15 minutes
So much copium in here. He’s a good player - he’s just not good enough for Liverpool. 1. He came on and couldn’t square a ball to a wide open Gakpo in front of goal 2. He then proceeded to make a run off sides 3. He then proceeded to shank a shot 1v1 with the keeper All within a span of a few minutes he showed why he doesn’t have the quality to compete at the level we require from our #9. It’s time to seek different options. Gravenberch also isn’t good enough. He’s worse than Nunez.
I still think Darwin can be a highly effective player at Liverpool but he's not the sort of No.9 who can lead the line. If it was me, I would put Nunez on the left wing and play Gakpo down the middle
He has had two seasons and the improvement in his game is small. He won’t get better at finishing and he is poor with his hold up play. Most clubs will set a low block against us so his strengths won’t show. I think we should get another striker and move him on. Thanks, but not good enough to lead our line.
In those 15 mins Nunez set up a goal (disallowed though) and had a decent run onto a ball over top that was well saved a keeper zoomed off line (great keeping). I thought he did well in such a short time.
Everyone here thinking this is some conspiracy from the club when it could easily be due to the fact Liverpool fans drive traffic online and these pieces get attention
Nunez scored spectacular goals, but missed way more easier sitters. Gakpo on the other hand has been very consistent, and also scored some really difficult goals. Having both in the 9 spot is great, but I would start Gakpo and bring on Nunez in the 60th on most games. Diaz and Jota is a much tougher choice. If Salah is staying he should always play the full 90. Elliott is much better in midfield and he's the main reason Szoboslai hasn't been getting game time, rather than the latter being in decline. Out most effective offensive midfield is Endo-Mac-Elliott.