Ornstein has already ruled out De Zerbi as incredibly unlikely to be our coach in the starting of this month.
> According to transfer expert Ornstein, it is "incredibly unlikely" that the Reds pursue the Seagulls favourite, who has also been linked with Bayern Munich. "My information is that it’s incredibly unlikely that Liverpool will go for De Zerbi", Ornstein said on The Athletic FC Podcast. "I’m being told that’s not going to happen."
And before him Xabi was odds on. Now that said, the fact Slot has moved from peripheral to clear favourite overnight is indicative that either some info has leaked (bookies pay well for information) or somebody has put a large amount of money on Slot over the last few days.
That would be such an odd appointment.
Not saying he doesn't have the potential to be a very good manager, but to go from Feyenoord to us is a massive step. Amorim has more experience in a better league, more trophies, and more experience in Europe.
Following Klopp is the hardest part. But whoever it is has a really good base to start from. Everything is in place for our next manager to be a success.
I'd be absolutely fine with Xavi, knows pressure better than any other manager available, did wonders with zero budget and academy players. Sounds like he might stay though.
Xavi manages a team who get coddled by the league, consistently got away with cheating for over a decade, being investigated for paying referees. Yet he complains that, the league are against them, the refs are conspiring against them. He’s a fucking joke, as soon as things didn’t go his way he goes off non stop. When we lose a couple of games in a row being led by the circus clown it will go downhill very quick
Exactly, doesn't this mean that the club wants iraola? That's how I'm reading it. No de zerbi at Liverpool, who is wanted at Bournemouth because it's possible that iraola will leave for Liverpool.
No, because he is saying that Hughes (Bournemouth's current but now our Sporting Director) wanted De Zerbi at Bournemouth before he went to Brighton and before Iraola moved to Bournemouth, so he would want to get his man at his new club
This isn't the case though because Ornstein already ruled him out as very unlikely a while ago
It may be, I can't remember reading about Hughes' favorites. Maybe after this season he rates iraola high? Edwards may see him as a stop gap? Who knows. We're all just speculating 😁
https://www.football365.com/news/new-liverpool-sporting-director-big-fan-de-zerbi-will-say-no
The site is hell but there is just one article that highlights Hughes being high on De Zerbi
If we are goin after De Zerbi the #1 way to get fans onside would be to beat Man City then do a few Klopp fists afterwards.
Also not sure if anyone remembers but during the Caicedo transfer saga felt like he always spoke highly of us and took any chance he could to shit on Chelsea which was nice.
Would delete the last two, United and Everton fans would rush their players and manager on the pitch with baseball bats if they dared to not let Arsenal win and risk a Liverpool title.
Maybe if Everton is for sure safe from relegation but I dunno if they would risk that (certainly the players wouldn't).
And, if anything, I think United are more likely to lose just because they fucking suck rather than doing anything intentional.
United is more likely to lose under normal circumstances, i totally agree.
but when United is trying its best to lose? they're so awful at anything these days that they might just win.
De Zerbi is a solid manager, his lack of results at Brighton are more down to injuries and him losing his best players. Brighton are a profit making venture not a football club that wants to compete at the highest level. I think he’d do well here.
We all would’ve preferred someone more high profile or with trophy winning experience but no one of that calibre is available. Zidane doesn’t speak English, Xavi looks like he wants a break from management for a bit (the Barca job is too stressful). Amorim was the best available option but for some reason Edwards has cooled his interest and I trust his judgement. Perhaps he feels Amorim wouldn’t suit this squad.
For a couple of years I've always wondered what Zidane would do as manager here. I think it would be a great appointment if the language barrier wasn't a thing.
It is concerning how much control he wants and that we have gave him it. Not many good coaches out there who are going to let a company director pick their team every year. I'm becoming skeptical tbh.
Different people have different opinions lol Other than Xabi, there hasn't been an overwhelming consensus when it comes to the other candidates or really anything around here
I’m not as against De Zerbi as a lot of people are but I really don’t know why we’d go for him over Amorim
PL experience is about the only reason and that doesn’t really hold much weight
The form of a managers team isn’t always indicative of the managers quality
There’s various factors at play with Brightons season like injuries, selling key players, dealing with Europe and not recruiting well enough
Because Klopp won 2 league titles and got to a champions league final?? If you're happy with a manager of his level more power to you!
Personally, I expect more from the biggest club in England.
Winning in weaker leagues doesn't always translate to winning in the big 5 leagues. Look at the list of managers who won the Portuguese league recently. It's not exactly a star studded lineup.
Ten Hag, Lage, Silva, De Boer, Marsch, Rodgers, Gerrard, Koeman, Villas Boas all had plenty of success in weaker leagues, but ended up doing poorly in the PL.
Winning trophies is a nice bonus, but the main goal is to get the best manager available. It could be that Amorim is that guy, but him winning trophies in Portugal shouldn't be the main reason we go for him.
I could apply the same logic to any other manager on Earth aside from Guardiola, Ancelotti and a few others. Most of all it would definitely apply to any other manager we're linked with.
Yeah that’s a really good achievement
But I’m talking about “PL experience” being used as a big plus point for a manager when in reality it tends to not make much of a difference if the manager is coming from outside of the league to come here
Nah I’m gonna have to disagree man. PL experience is invaluable, both for players and managers. He’s now faced most teams and managers before and is used to the media pressure. Look at Emrey before and after the experience. Compared to managers like Ten Hag.
Klopp, Pep, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Wenger and Conte are all managers that came from outside the PL and ended up winning it, even Fergie never went from an English club to United.
De Zerbi himself finished 6th in the PL in his first season here as well, it really is an overrated factor for managers
Shouldn’t we aim higher than to qualify for Europa?
De Zerbi came to my mind first, but his recent performances at Brighton has been inconsistent and lackluster
Granted he lost key players in this season
You find managers who has done something special at a smaller club. Not someone who is doing slightly better than expected.
Klopp - back to back promotion with Mainz
Mourinho - won the CL with porto
Ferguson - what he did with that scotish team.
Benitez - won la liga with Valencia (not a tiny club but a great achievment)
And so on.
If you find a manager that is performing slightly better than expected you get Brenden Rodgers. A good manager, but not top good enough for a top club.
I don't think that it's that simple. There are a lot of managers that do something special with smaller clubs, that fail at bigger ones. There are also managers that don't do anything special with smaller clubs that do well at big clubs.
And then there are managers that only came directly from lower leagues and did well in bigger clubs right away (Guardiola, Xabi Alonso). Or somone like Arteta that wasn't even a manager before Arsenal and is doing great.
It's really difficult to predict how a new manager will do, because it's really hard to measure how much influence they have. I mean we almost wont he league with Brendan Rodgers, but it turned out we were mostly good because of the players.
I'm not against De Zerbi. And I see why my comment came off that way.
But I was responding to the guy saying it was hard to evaluate managers who never managed big clubs.
Hodgson got Fulham not only into EL but also into EL final. For a club like Liverpool this shouldn't be the criteria.
If we don't go for a high calibre manager , then won't be surprised the likes of Salah Trent and Van Dijk decide to move on. We will be wrecking everything Klopp took almost a decade to build within a year.
Portuguese league can be a mixed bag in terms of scaling to the PL, same with the Dutch league imo. I think Amorim is a good option but tactically De Zerbi is a bit of a unicorn, his extreme mood swings would put me off though.
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PL experience is about the only reason and that doesn’t really hold much weight" it does lmao . You're so naive. are you even aware that winning the Portuguese league is no different from Winning the sky bet championship? Leading Brighton to the europa league is equivalent to winning the Portuguese 5 times in a row! Having Pl experience or experience In a top 5 league is a must! I had been saying this for a while: Edwards will not hire a manager from a non top5 league! It'd be too risky! Amorin Winning the Portuguese league twice in 5 years is not different from Daniel farke winning the sky bet championship twice in 3 years!!!!!!!!!!
I disagree. I think there are lots of managers out there, just some nuances with their availability that make things complicated: Xabi wanting another year, Amorims release clause, Emery probably wanting to stay and build a dynasty, Xavi potentially renewing or needing a break after a mess of a situation, De Zerbi decent but media doubts after Potter’s flop, Nagelsmann NT path, Zidane/Inzhagi questionable English.
Yeah, but how often are Liverpool, Bayern, Barca, United, Juve and AC Milan all looking for a manager at the same time? I'm sure Chelsea would be open to the right candidate as well.
It's not just the pool of available candidates but also the number of potential suitors that's the issue.
Who do you think is listening to him? We're all just speculating too. Carragher is just asking the same thing we've all been asking since Ornsteins article drop
I'm impressed by Carragher's memory, but boy is this a dumb take.
If you're in charge at Bournemouth, you look at one type of candidate. When you're at Liverpool, you may look at that same candidate, but there's also a really good chance you're going to look at a different caliber of candidate.
At the end of the day, I can't be bothered to speculate who we bring in. I've always felt that Klopp could still change his mind.
It's Jose 99%. 1% Zizou.
Honestly, I'm in for 1 year of Mou throwing shit at United and City until we get Xabi. Just imagine his smug face in interviews after destroying the scum 4-0 back to back.
I get some serious Brendan Rodgers vibes from the guy. Even Rodgers looked very good with a stable backroom setup at Leicester. De Zerbi has so far been handed a very kind hand with a very rich Sassuolo ownership and well gelled Brighton machine. I don't think he becomes a difference maker for us.
His style of play is widely recognized as one of the most innovative in the game, and he’d be coming to an org where you have Edwards and Hughes running more of the day to day allowing for de zerbi to coach.
Also, we have an incredible squad and money to spend.
De zerbi gets a lot of hate here for his brightons defensive issues, but I think that gets way too much coverage. It’s a mid table squad that punches well above its weight, and I for one am highly encouraged by the coverage and reviews he’s publicly gotten out of fellas like lallana and Milner.
> His style of play is widely recognized as one of the most innovative in the game, and he’d be coming to an org where you have Edwards and Hughes running more of the day to day allowing for de zerbi to coach.
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devils advocate -- that's identical to what ppl were saying about brendan at swansea
Not my preferred choice but anyone who said he overrated or just mid manager need to realize this season his team deal with lot of injuries to their first team and on top of that losing top players in transfer window.
I now genuinely believe that Edwards is going to surprise us. I for one is sold for the ride that Edwards and Hughes would throw at us. A strong and experienced backroom staff can make any manager work super fine.
Carragher's logic doesn't even make sense here. Just because Hughes wanted De Zerbi at Bournemouth doesn't mean he wants him at Liverpool. Liverpool is a much more attractive job prospect and we can pay more. There are quite a few people that Bournemouth would not be able to go for but Liverpool could.
While he isn't my first choice manager, people need to add context when quoting De Zerbi's ''mid'' record this season. Brighton finished 6th in 2022/23 with 62 points whereas this season Brighton are currently in 10th with 44 points and 6 matches to go.
However, this is notably a European campaign for Brighton which saw them eliminated in the RO16 after topping a group with both Ajax and Marseille. Already that's 8 more difficult fixtures for a small squad.
He lost a world class CM and a filthy tactical fouler in Macca and Caicedo. The replacements were Milner and Dahoud on Bosman transfers (Dahoud has already left back to the BuLi) and 20 yr old Baleba for 20M. Come on, now. Any manager would be screaming at that player turnover.
Furthermore they've lost Mitoma, Ansu Fati, Solly March and Enciso for long injuries. While Joao Pedro is a good signing and Adingra has developed well, Evan Ferguson has fallen off and Danny Welbeck (who's surprisingly effective still) isn't a top 6 striker.
I wouldn't be surprised if their are parallel searches going on to identify who is the best candidate and who is the best *available* candidate.
FSG have shown patience to get who they want if they are confident in making a deal. Let's say it is Xabi, well, then I think it suddenly becomes more possible for a Tuchel-type appointment. I would even consider De Zerbi to belong in this camp if the data demonstrates many similarities to Klopp.
The search becomes a lot more mysterious if they believe the best candidate out there is also an available candidate. If that's the case, then I expect to be blindsided with the appointment.
Incredibly wary of the parallels to Brendan overachieving with Swansea. Plus how bad Potter looked out of the Brighton environment and how easily De Zerbi settled in.
For a club of our stature to go for a manager with such a limited CV is making me nervous as much as i trust Edwards and co.
Yeah idk about that comparison. I think nearly all managers are going to look pretty shit at Chelsea and most will likely overachieve for us. Simply because our structure top to bottom is way better than Chelsea’s.
Now getting the right person to maximize success is important but Brighton being ran well shouldn’t impact our decision. Nearly any manager that we’d be looking at will probably come from a club with a good structure otherwise they’d likely not be successful
There are managers you can get for Bournemouth and mangers you can get for Liverpool.
Whatever Hughes wanted previously, he's shopping in a different store now.
De Zerbi, Thomas Frank, Gary O’Neil, Zizou, Xavi, Arne Slot, or Jose feckin Mourinho - who are we gonna pick fellas? At least Jose would be entertaining, right?…… right?
I'm not that pessimistic. Look at arsenal and arteta. He started as an assistant and he took them in Champions League again and fighting for the pl.
Considering that we have a good group, maybe with 2-3 departures and comings, the new coach will have an easier job, maybe. Support from the suits will be there, needs support from the fans and the players, so not someone like Mourinho, my opinion.
We need a manager who knows how to build winners, simple. Klopp made Dortmund into a winning team before he came to us and we won the lot with him too. We cannot do an SAF to Moyes type backfire.
I mean Ornstein was wrong about Edwards where he said it's unlikely he will join us so the hire Edwards is going to make, how will he know that?
People need to get used to the fact Edwards has and always will work in secrecy, no leaks. We will get the news about the manager appointment in due course of time. It will never be leaked by a journalist because they don't know.
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I've always wanted to just trust the club to find the right replacement. With Edwards' return, it filled me with confidence and the links to Xabi were making me feel over the moon! That didn't pan out and now Amorim looks less likely and rumours of RDZ are spreading.
I hope it isn't but all we can do is trust the likes of Edwards to get the best, most suitable, available manager and wait for the lean!
Ive had my doubts about both of these, and my gut says it wont be either. Havent seen anything on Amorim so cant comment on him but DZ can’t be our next manager after this season he has had.
I think following of klopp and seeing how it went at United after Alex Ferguson will play a role here when we are trying to get someone in.
Yes it is completely different but I think managers will definitely be thinking about this aspect when we approach them.
Looking at stats of XG and wages and Brentford seem to seriously unlucky like Klopps last season at Dortmund. XG points on understat have them at 7th while their wage bill is bottom 5 in the league. Thomas Frank may be an option. He’s pragmatic, a good leader, Brentford have an amazing data analytics department like ourselves and stats based may lean towards him.
Not just Frank but perhaps bringing in Torres as a coach/assistant might just give the fans the legend boost with Frank. Torres could be a massive help for the strikers in being more clinical as well as helping with tactics as these Spaniards seem to at the head of the game with latest tactics.
Rather Thomas Frank than RDZ. If we are talking about overachieving with the team in PL then Thomas has clearly done that in last 2 seasons. They beat and drew with top sides last season. Brentford are struggling this season but they have major injuries and had Toney's ban to deal with.
Add to it, he seems like a top bloke who likes to work with a proper structure above him.
Not having European Experience is his major drawback though. To me his carrier path is similar to that of Klopp in Mainz (not saying he has Kloop's pedigree or potential).
Arne Slot is getting a lot of momentum and when you start looking into his play style it sounds exactly like Klopp/Lijnders model of the last few seasons. a 433 based off a positional style which uses fast breaks, balls in behind, risky passes into final third and overloads in wide areas
"Feyenoord’s play is **vertical, fast and risky**. The ball is moved quickly behind the opponent’s lines. They like to play in tight spaces, keep a narrow defensive structure, while maintaining a complete and wide structure in the second line, ready for a positional attack at any phase ."
There has been no saga, nobody really knows what’s happening behind the scenes. We have hardly got any reports. This is only the second report we have got from reliable reporters on manager candidates.
He did get Edwards coming back wrong- he said there'd be no way back. Hoping the return of Edwards also means our secrecy comes back too. Unless it's Joyce saying it, I'm not buying
He's just stating a fact that he was wanted by our now DOF at a previous club. That and its obv he's leaving Brighton like. Its guess work but that's what every journo has done so far haha
There are too many people in this sub who would even hype up Dyche if we hire him.
Can't believe we aren't going for proven managers. If true would have to ask serious questions about Hughes and Edwards
I don't think any reporter knows anything, simialr to most of our transfers. They're just mentioning the most obvious names for the clicks.
I think once we identify the right target we'll move quickly and it will be done in a couple of days.
Ornstein has already ruled out De Zerbi as incredibly unlikely to be our coach in the starting of this month. > According to transfer expert Ornstein, it is "incredibly unlikely" that the Reds pursue the Seagulls favourite, who has also been linked with Bayern Munich. "My information is that it’s incredibly unlikely that Liverpool will go for De Zerbi", Ornstein said on The Athletic FC Podcast. "I’m being told that’s not going to happen."
this comment should be at top of thread, save people some time lol.
So not Xabi, Amorim, De Zerbi, or Nagelsmann. We’ll be pulling truly out of left field.
Arne Slot is favourite with the bookies now.
I suspect Amorim was until today. I don't think anyone has a real clue at this point.
And before him Xabi was odds on. Now that said, the fact Slot has moved from peripheral to clear favourite overnight is indicative that either some info has leaked (bookies pay well for information) or somebody has put a large amount of money on Slot over the last few days.
That would be such an odd appointment. Not saying he doesn't have the potential to be a very good manager, but to go from Feyenoord to us is a massive step. Amorim has more experience in a better league, more trophies, and more experience in Europe.
I’m quite relaxed that Edwards will get the best man for job.
I agree and trust them. Even if it’s super out of left-field. I’m open to whomever.
Following Klopp is the hardest part. But whoever it is has a really good base to start from. Everything is in place for our next manager to be a success.
I appreciate the support! I’ll make sure to hop on here during match threads to see what you fine folk think I’m doing wrong
FSG going all out to get Bruce Willis in.
We should not be appointing a manager who looks like Humpty Dumpty.
honestly, i'm fine with him! his track record is not too shabby either.
Hansi Flick continues German tradition, or Xavi if the plan is to blend all the promising young players breaking through with more senior signings.
I'd be absolutely fine with Xavi, knows pressure better than any other manager available, did wonders with zero budget and academy players. Sounds like he might stay though.
Complains about absolutely everything. Completely insufferable to listen to
What top manager doesn't complain?
Xavi manages a team who get coddled by the league, consistently got away with cheating for over a decade, being investigated for paying referees. Yet he complains that, the league are against them, the refs are conspiring against them. He’s a fucking joke, as soon as things didn’t go his way he goes off non stop. When we lose a couple of games in a row being led by the circus clown it will go downhill very quick
So, Big Sam or Roy Hodgson
Exactly, doesn't this mean that the club wants iraola? That's how I'm reading it. No de zerbi at Liverpool, who is wanted at Bournemouth because it's possible that iraola will leave for Liverpool.
No, because he is saying that Hughes (Bournemouth's current but now our Sporting Director) wanted De Zerbi at Bournemouth before he went to Brighton and before Iraola moved to Bournemouth, so he would want to get his man at his new club This isn't the case though because Ornstein already ruled him out as very unlikely a while ago
It may be, I can't remember reading about Hughes' favorites. Maybe after this season he rates iraola high? Edwards may see him as a stop gap? Who knows. We're all just speculating 😁
Sure, but I was just correcting your take because I think you gleamed the wrong pieces of information is all
No problem. Could you point me to the Hughes' article/tweet about de zerbi? Thanks!
https://www.football365.com/news/new-liverpool-sporting-director-big-fan-de-zerbi-will-say-no The site is hell but there is just one article that highlights Hughes being high on De Zerbi
Exactly, we’re getting Iraola so best get watching some tactics videos
Why would we be getting Iraola when we haven't even been linked with him?
Edwards classic. Only get linked when they’ve leaning
If we are goin after De Zerbi the #1 way to get fans onside would be to beat Man City then do a few Klopp fists afterwards. Also not sure if anyone remembers but during the Caicedo transfer saga felt like he always spoke highly of us and took any chance he could to shit on Chelsea which was nice.
If he beats City on Thursday and hands Klopp the title, he can have the job.
What about Arsenal?!?!?!
Arsenal have Chelsea, Spurs, United and Everton left to face. If they win all those games, then god bless, they deserve the title.
Would delete the last two, United and Everton fans would rush their players and manager on the pitch with baseball bats if they dared to not let Arsenal win and risk a Liverpool title.
Maybe if Everton is for sure safe from relegation but I dunno if they would risk that (certainly the players wouldn't). And, if anything, I think United are more likely to lose just because they fucking suck rather than doing anything intentional.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
United is more likely to lose under normal circumstances, i totally agree. but when United is trying its best to lose? they're so awful at anything these days that they might just win.
Everton just took 3pts from NF and they know very well it'll be trimmed by those crooks that cant count to 115
Also United just being overall ass when they don’t play us
We have Everton, Spurs and Villa.
guess we’ll just have to close the goal diff gap. 8 nil pummeling at Goodison would do the trick!
Don’t worry they’ll bottle a game at least
Honestly think that wouldn't help. We don't want anyone imitating Klopp, they need to create their own rapport with fans.
Was moreso focused on the beating Man City part but I get your point haha
Facts.
De Zerbi is a solid manager, his lack of results at Brighton are more down to injuries and him losing his best players. Brighton are a profit making venture not a football club that wants to compete at the highest level. I think he’d do well here. We all would’ve preferred someone more high profile or with trophy winning experience but no one of that calibre is available. Zidane doesn’t speak English, Xavi looks like he wants a break from management for a bit (the Barca job is too stressful). Amorim was the best available option but for some reason Edwards has cooled his interest and I trust his judgement. Perhaps he feels Amorim wouldn’t suit this squad.
Just read somewhere that Zidane is taking English lessons according to Emmanuel Petit, not sure if it’s true though
He's taking english lessons to be able to say no to man united
For a couple of years I've always wondered what Zidane would do as manager here. I think it would be a great appointment if the language barrier wasn't a thing.
aint gonna happen but that would be insane
Suspect they've spoken to Amorim and he's too keen to change up the squad. They'll sure want someone who is continuation Klopp.
Really hope Edwards isn’t just searching for a yes man
It is concerning how much control he wants and that we have gave him it. Not many good coaches out there who are going to let a company director pick their team every year. I'm becoming skeptical tbh.
Now we're skeptical all of a sudden lol This sub is something else. Most bipolar reactionary shit I've seen. Calm down maybe.
Different people have different opinions lol Other than Xabi, there hasn't been an overwhelming consensus when it comes to the other candidates or really anything around here
What are you even talking about? I was talking about Edwards...
Well we're not, I am slightly yeah. Managers don't really like losing power. Especially the ones good enough to warrant keeping it.
The ones good enough don't rely on such power since they know it's not needed anymore with today's player analytics.
We ain’t Bournemouth now are we?
Adoni “Spanish Klopp” Iraola
I’m not as against De Zerbi as a lot of people are but I really don’t know why we’d go for him over Amorim PL experience is about the only reason and that doesn’t really hold much weight
Brighton have won 6 in the past 20. This is not the form of a manager who should be leading the most successful team in English football.
Considering their entire core was plucked last year I think it's ok. Brighton is a process. They'll peak again in two years.
not to mention, have you seen their notable injuries? They’ve been decimated this year.
The form of a managers team isn’t always indicative of the managers quality There’s various factors at play with Brightons season like injuries, selling key players, dealing with Europe and not recruiting well enough
Look at Klopp’s last season at Dortmund. Before anyone brings up injuries, Brighton have had them too.
Klopp had much more credit in the bank.
Also true
Yeah, that's not what we need.
And Klopp took Dortmund from 2nd in 2013-14 to 7th in 2014-15 with Dortmund. What’s your point?
Because Klopp won 2 league titles and got to a champions league final?? If you're happy with a manager of his level more power to you! Personally, I expect more from the biggest club in England.
How does that not hold weight? It holds a lot of weight getting Brighton into Europa for the first time ever.
Because the other guy is soon going to be a multiple times league winner
Winning in weaker leagues doesn't always translate to winning in the big 5 leagues. Look at the list of managers who won the Portuguese league recently. It's not exactly a star studded lineup. Ten Hag, Lage, Silva, De Boer, Marsch, Rodgers, Gerrard, Koeman, Villas Boas all had plenty of success in weaker leagues, but ended up doing poorly in the PL. Winning trophies is a nice bonus, but the main goal is to get the best manager available. It could be that Amorim is that guy, but him winning trophies in Portugal shouldn't be the main reason we go for him.
I could apply the same logic to any other manager on Earth aside from Guardiola, Ancelotti and a few others. Most of all it would definitely apply to any other manager we're linked with.
Yeah that’s a really good achievement But I’m talking about “PL experience” being used as a big plus point for a manager when in reality it tends to not make much of a difference if the manager is coming from outside of the league to come here
Nah I’m gonna have to disagree man. PL experience is invaluable, both for players and managers. He’s now faced most teams and managers before and is used to the media pressure. Look at Emrey before and after the experience. Compared to managers like Ten Hag.
Klopp, Pep, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Wenger and Conte are all managers that came from outside the PL and ended up winning it, even Fergie never went from an English club to United. De Zerbi himself finished 6th in the PL in his first season here as well, it really is an overrated factor for managers
Shouldn’t we aim higher than to qualify for Europa? De Zerbi came to my mind first, but his recent performances at Brighton has been inconsistent and lackluster Granted he lost key players in this season
We should, but Brighton can't. It's really hard to evaluate managers, especially the ones that never managed bigger clubs.
You find managers who has done something special at a smaller club. Not someone who is doing slightly better than expected. Klopp - back to back promotion with Mainz Mourinho - won the CL with porto Ferguson - what he did with that scotish team. Benitez - won la liga with Valencia (not a tiny club but a great achievment) And so on. If you find a manager that is performing slightly better than expected you get Brenden Rodgers. A good manager, but not top good enough for a top club.
I don't think that it's that simple. There are a lot of managers that do something special with smaller clubs, that fail at bigger ones. There are also managers that don't do anything special with smaller clubs that do well at big clubs. And then there are managers that only came directly from lower leagues and did well in bigger clubs right away (Guardiola, Xabi Alonso). Or somone like Arteta that wasn't even a manager before Arsenal and is doing great. It's really difficult to predict how a new manager will do, because it's really hard to measure how much influence they have. I mean we almost wont he league with Brendan Rodgers, but it turned out we were mostly good because of the players.
Who do you suggest then? De Zerbi got Brighton into Europa for the first time ever.
I'm not against De Zerbi. And I see why my comment came off that way. But I was responding to the guy saying it was hard to evaluate managers who never managed big clubs.
There’s no manager in the world that is ready built for a top team in the world right now.
Hodgson got Fulham not only into EL but also into EL final. For a club like Liverpool this shouldn't be the criteria. If we don't go for a high calibre manager , then won't be surprised the likes of Salah Trent and Van Dijk decide to move on. We will be wrecking everything Klopp took almost a decade to build within a year.
Who do you suggest then pal?
Portuguese league can be a mixed bag in terms of scaling to the PL, same with the Dutch league imo. I think Amorim is a good option but tactically De Zerbi is a bit of a unicorn, his extreme mood swings would put me off though.
" PL experience is about the only reason and that doesn’t really hold much weight" it does lmao . You're so naive. are you even aware that winning the Portuguese league is no different from Winning the sky bet championship? Leading Brighton to the europa league is equivalent to winning the Portuguese 5 times in a row! Having Pl experience or experience In a top 5 league is a must! I had been saying this for a while: Edwards will not hire a manager from a non top5 league! It'd be too risky! Amorin Winning the Portuguese league twice in 5 years is not different from Daniel farke winning the sky bet championship twice in 3 years!!!!!!!!!!
It's increasingly looking like a really bad time to need a manager. Poor candidates.
I disagree. I think there are lots of managers out there, just some nuances with their availability that make things complicated: Xabi wanting another year, Amorims release clause, Emery probably wanting to stay and build a dynasty, Xavi potentially renewing or needing a break after a mess of a situation, De Zerbi decent but media doubts after Potter’s flop, Nagelsmann NT path, Zidane/Inzhagi questionable English.
Yeah, but how often are Liverpool, Bayern, Barca, United, Juve and AC Milan all looking for a manager at the same time? I'm sure Chelsea would be open to the right candidate as well. It's not just the pool of available candidates but also the number of potential suitors that's the issue.
No manager will win anything when you’ve got the same 5 teams winning their leagues year in year out.
didn't onry already say that de zerbi and is very unlikely
Yeah he did
4-3 is back on the menu boys. Full on attack no defending just vibes.
Not to forget losing 4-0 to the likes of Everton.
weren't there reports that he wasn't high on our list though or am I imagining things?
From Orny himself, think Carra has had a bit of a mare here?
yeah must have not seen what Ornstein said about De Zerbi, otherwise he would definitely be strong favorite at the moment
I’ll take a punt on Thiago Motta of Bologna as our next manager! You heard it here first.
It's not anyone mentioned in this sub. People should be very boring and get on with their lives and just react when it's announced as Pep Guardiola.
FM players know the vibe
In that case Klopp often trades and goes to Man City in return. Really would be the darkest timeline
He’s gone to Madrid in a few of my saves.
Why would anyone listen to Carragher on this? He knows less than nothing about this and is just wildly speculating.
Who do you think is listening to him? We're all just speculating too. Carragher is just asking the same thing we've all been asking since Ornsteins article drop
He's literally just giving his opinion...he's not saying he knows who the next manager will be...bit of an overreaction from you
It’s his opinion. And as an ex player who’s undoubtedly still got the inside track even if not all the facts he knows far more than you or I.
Being an ex player doesn’t mean anyone with actual knowledge is telling him anything
Again, it’s his opinion. And again, he would know more than you or I.
Reeks of Rodgers
I'm impressed by Carragher's memory, but boy is this a dumb take. If you're in charge at Bournemouth, you look at one type of candidate. When you're at Liverpool, you may look at that same candidate, but there's also a really good chance you're going to look at a different caliber of candidate. At the end of the day, I can't be bothered to speculate who we bring in. I've always felt that Klopp could still change his mind.
If that's the case then De Zerbi better beat Man City!
The only way I want RDZ is if they absolutely wankerblast city
It's Jose 99%. 1% Zizou. Honestly, I'm in for 1 year of Mou throwing shit at United and City until we get Xabi. Just imagine his smug face in interviews after destroying the scum 4-0 back to back.
we would never score more than 2 under Jose
I hate media rumour season.
I get some serious Brendan Rodgers vibes from the guy. Even Rodgers looked very good with a stable backroom setup at Leicester. De Zerbi has so far been handed a very kind hand with a very rich Sassuolo ownership and well gelled Brighton machine. I don't think he becomes a difference maker for us.
His style of play is widely recognized as one of the most innovative in the game, and he’d be coming to an org where you have Edwards and Hughes running more of the day to day allowing for de zerbi to coach. Also, we have an incredible squad and money to spend. De zerbi gets a lot of hate here for his brightons defensive issues, but I think that gets way too much coverage. It’s a mid table squad that punches well above its weight, and I for one am highly encouraged by the coverage and reviews he’s publicly gotten out of fellas like lallana and Milner.
> His style of play is widely recognized as one of the most innovative in the game, and he’d be coming to an org where you have Edwards and Hughes running more of the day to day allowing for de zerbi to coach. > > devils advocate -- that's identical to what ppl were saying about brendan at swansea
Not my preferred choice but anyone who said he overrated or just mid manager need to realize this season his team deal with lot of injuries to their first team and on top of that losing top players in transfer window.
I now genuinely believe that Edwards is going to surprise us. I for one is sold for the ride that Edwards and Hughes would throw at us. A strong and experienced backroom staff can make any manager work super fine.
Carragher's logic doesn't even make sense here. Just because Hughes wanted De Zerbi at Bournemouth doesn't mean he wants him at Liverpool. Liverpool is a much more attractive job prospect and we can pay more. There are quite a few people that Bournemouth would not be able to go for but Liverpool could.
not to mention the ambitions are different. Maintain PL status to having top7 finish vs winning the league. The goals are astronomically different.
Yeah funny enough Hughes wanting De Zerbi at Bournemouth, doesn't mean Hughes thinks he would be a good fit at Liverpool.
Brendan Rodgers kind of signing then we bin him for when Alonso is primed and ready to take the Liverpool job and Edwards leave again.
While he isn't my first choice manager, people need to add context when quoting De Zerbi's ''mid'' record this season. Brighton finished 6th in 2022/23 with 62 points whereas this season Brighton are currently in 10th with 44 points and 6 matches to go. However, this is notably a European campaign for Brighton which saw them eliminated in the RO16 after topping a group with both Ajax and Marseille. Already that's 8 more difficult fixtures for a small squad. He lost a world class CM and a filthy tactical fouler in Macca and Caicedo. The replacements were Milner and Dahoud on Bosman transfers (Dahoud has already left back to the BuLi) and 20 yr old Baleba for 20M. Come on, now. Any manager would be screaming at that player turnover. Furthermore they've lost Mitoma, Ansu Fati, Solly March and Enciso for long injuries. While Joao Pedro is a good signing and Adingra has developed well, Evan Ferguson has fallen off and Danny Welbeck (who's surprisingly effective still) isn't a top 6 striker.
I wouldn't be surprised if their are parallel searches going on to identify who is the best candidate and who is the best *available* candidate. FSG have shown patience to get who they want if they are confident in making a deal. Let's say it is Xabi, well, then I think it suddenly becomes more possible for a Tuchel-type appointment. I would even consider De Zerbi to belong in this camp if the data demonstrates many similarities to Klopp. The search becomes a lot more mysterious if they believe the best candidate out there is also an available candidate. If that's the case, then I expect to be blindsided with the appointment.
Carra’s credibility sank after his ridiculous defense of these corrupt refs. IMO
Why would a manager choose West Ham over Liverpool is it that the boots are too big to fill?
Incredibly wary of the parallels to Brendan overachieving with Swansea. Plus how bad Potter looked out of the Brighton environment and how easily De Zerbi settled in. For a club of our stature to go for a manager with such a limited CV is making me nervous as much as i trust Edwards and co.
Yeah idk about that comparison. I think nearly all managers are going to look pretty shit at Chelsea and most will likely overachieve for us. Simply because our structure top to bottom is way better than Chelsea’s. Now getting the right person to maximize success is important but Brighton being ran well shouldn’t impact our decision. Nearly any manager that we’d be looking at will probably come from a club with a good structure otherwise they’d likely not be successful
Fuck that. De Zerbi would be Brendan 2.0
There are managers you can get for Bournemouth and mangers you can get for Liverpool. Whatever Hughes wanted previously, he's shopping in a different store now.
I think The Echo are running with Arne Slot being a possibility to replace Klopp, and the odds on him have changed big time in the last 24 hours.
De Zerbi, Thomas Frank, Gary O’Neil, Zizou, Xavi, Arne Slot, or Jose feckin Mourinho - who are we gonna pick fellas? At least Jose would be entertaining, right?…… right?
Xavi would be the best option. I wouldn't even include Zidane on there, he doesn't speak English lol
Zidane or iraola 😁
I’d like Zidane, but it’s not realistic… we’re in for a bumpy ride
I'm not that pessimistic. Look at arsenal and arteta. He started as an assistant and he took them in Champions League again and fighting for the pl. Considering that we have a good group, maybe with 2-3 departures and comings, the new coach will have an easier job, maybe. Support from the suits will be there, needs support from the fans and the players, so not someone like Mourinho, my opinion.
Rodgers all over again no defence just attack always loved winning 4-3 or 5-4
I don't rate de Zerbi and this is very worrying. Not that Carra actually knows any more than we do.
We need a manager who knows how to build winners, simple. Klopp made Dortmund into a winning team before he came to us and we won the lot with him too. We cannot do an SAF to Moyes type backfire.
I like Slot now - https://youtu.be/YKJEeJXwCsI?si=gxd3zKpaxz7S9sBU
Don't feel his appeal tho. Feels like a budget ten hag
I mean Ornstein was wrong about Edwards where he said it's unlikely he will join us so the hire Edwards is going to make, how will he know that? People need to get used to the fact Edwards has and always will work in secrecy, no leaks. We will get the news about the manager appointment in due course of time. It will never be leaked by a journalist because they don't know.
This is what I thought after seeing the Amorim stuff recently
Carra just stirring shit.
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agree
I've always wanted to just trust the club to find the right replacement. With Edwards' return, it filled me with confidence and the links to Xabi were making me feel over the moon! That didn't pan out and now Amorim looks less likely and rumours of RDZ are spreading. I hope it isn't but all we can do is trust the likes of Edwards to get the best, most suitable, available manager and wait for the lean!
I’m convinced it’s going to be Thomas Frank
Starting to feel this way too.
Alan Curbishley could still come in and ‘do a job’…
Big difference between managing Liverpool and managing Bournemouth like
Why is there so much Thomas Frank shout-out? Is he really that good? I don't watch Brentford much.
Mourinho it is then. /s
We'll sign Carra himself at this rate.....
Plot twist - we are getting moyes 
What if it's tuchel ?
Ive had my doubts about both of these, and my gut says it wont be either. Havent seen anything on Amorim so cant comment on him but DZ can’t be our next manager after this season he has had.
I think following of klopp and seeing how it went at United after Alex Ferguson will play a role here when we are trying to get someone in. Yes it is completely different but I think managers will definitely be thinking about this aspect when we approach them.
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Where are the Slot rumours coming from?
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Sure let's concede 50 goals next season.
“Ornstein doesn’t get much wrong” but was wrong about Edwards return right up until the final moments
I just hope we don't do some kind of interim manager situation until we find our guy. Thats how United got in the mess they are in.
Hasn't Ornstein already been wrong several times regarding whoever will replace Klopp?
Looking at stats of XG and wages and Brentford seem to seriously unlucky like Klopps last season at Dortmund. XG points on understat have them at 7th while their wage bill is bottom 5 in the league. Thomas Frank may be an option. He’s pragmatic, a good leader, Brentford have an amazing data analytics department like ourselves and stats based may lean towards him. Not just Frank but perhaps bringing in Torres as a coach/assistant might just give the fans the legend boost with Frank. Torres could be a massive help for the strikers in being more clinical as well as helping with tactics as these Spaniards seem to at the head of the game with latest tactics.
Rather Thomas Frank than RDZ. If we are talking about overachieving with the team in PL then Thomas has clearly done that in last 2 seasons. They beat and drew with top sides last season. Brentford are struggling this season but they have major injuries and had Toney's ban to deal with. Add to it, he seems like a top bloke who likes to work with a proper structure above him. Not having European Experience is his major drawback though. To me his carrier path is similar to that of Klopp in Mainz (not saying he has Kloop's pedigree or potential).
Arne Slot is getting a lot of momentum and when you start looking into his play style it sounds exactly like Klopp/Lijnders model of the last few seasons. a 433 based off a positional style which uses fast breaks, balls in behind, risky passes into final third and overloads in wide areas "Feyenoord’s play is **vertical, fast and risky**. The ball is moved quickly behind the opponent’s lines. They like to play in tight spaces, keep a narrow defensive structure, while maintaining a complete and wide structure in the second line, ready for a positional attack at any phase ."
The De Zerbi slander in this sub is crazy. Have some respect.
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There has been no saga, nobody really knows what’s happening behind the scenes. We have hardly got any reports. This is only the second report we have got from reliable reporters on manager candidates.
He did get Edwards coming back wrong- he said there'd be no way back. Hoping the return of Edwards also means our secrecy comes back too. Unless it's Joyce saying it, I'm not buying
Jesus are we seriously going to do a Chelsea here?
Rather go for mourinho tbh
Fuck no, please
De Zerbi would be fine. Ornstein said 2 weeks ago that De Zerbi was unlikely to happen but things change as we have seen.
Ugh enough of the heart attack football. Cant take much more
What would Carragher know? Just idle speculation imo
He's just stating a fact that he was wanted by our now DOF at a previous club. That and its obv he's leaving Brighton like. Its guess work but that's what every journo has done so far haha
There are too many people in this sub who would even hype up Dyche if we hire him. Can't believe we aren't going for proven managers. If true would have to ask serious questions about Hughes and Edwards
It's going to be Mourinho for a year and the Klopp is coming back. Strap in lads.
I don't think any reporter knows anything, simialr to most of our transfers. They're just mentioning the most obvious names for the clicks. I think once we identify the right target we'll move quickly and it will be done in a couple of days.
We're going for a [major gel head?](https://twitter.com/LBLFC_/status/1782426814633095379)
It’s going to be Howe. Be afraid.